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Imagine the Possibilities – Lovelyn Bettison interviews Evan Carmichael


hello everyone and welcome to another

hello everyone and welcome to another google hangout i’m excited to have with

google hangout i’m excited to have with

google hangout i’m excited to have with me loveland medicine who runs a podcast

me loveland medicine who runs a podcast

me loveland medicine who runs a podcast called imagine the possibilities and she

called imagine the possibilities and she

called imagine the possibilities and she wanted me to come on and do a skype

wanted me to come on and do a skype

wanted me to come on and do a skype interview with her for her podcast and i

interview with her for her podcast and i

interview with her for her podcast and i said hey let’s turn it into a video

said hey let’s turn it into a video

said hey let’s turn it into a video Google hangout so that you guys my aunts

Google hangout so that you guys my aunts

Google hangout so that you guys my aunts get benefit as well I’m learning a

get benefit as well I’m learning a

get benefit as well I’m learning a little bit about her show and she can

little bit about her show and she can

little bit about her show and she can use the audio for her podcast as well so

use the audio for her podcast as well so

use the audio for her podcast as well so loveland welcome aboard thank you

loveland welcome aboard thank you

loveland welcome aboard thank you welcome to imagine the possibilities I

welcome to imagine the possibilities I

welcome to imagine the possibilities I love it I know you’ve got a bunch of

love it I know you’ve got a bunch of

love it I know you’ve got a bunch of questions you want to just give a quick

questions you want to just give a quick

questions you want to just give a quick overview of what your podcast is all

overview of what your podcast is all

overview of what your podcast is all about and then just hit me with whatever

about and then just hit me with whatever

about and then just hit me with whatever you want okay imagine the possibilities

you want okay imagine the possibilities

you want okay imagine the possibilities is a kind of a new podcast this will

is a kind of a new podcast this will

is a kind of a new podcast this will only be twenty third episode and it is a

only be twenty third episode and it is a

only be twenty third episode and it is a podcast where I interview people who are

podcast where I interview people who are

podcast where I interview people who are living fascinating lives the idea is

living fascinating lives the idea is

living fascinating lives the idea is that we can learn from what other people

that we can learn from what other people

that we can learn from what other people have done in the past their mistakes and

have done in the past their mistakes and

have done in the past their mistakes and their successes I like it number number

their successes I like it number number

their successes I like it number number 23 it’s Michael Jordan that’s some

23 it’s Michael Jordan that’s some

23 it’s Michael Jordan that’s some pressure you put on yeah I don’t know

pressure you put on yeah I don’t know

pressure you put on yeah I don’t know anything about sports so I wouldn’t know

anything about sports so I wouldn’t know

anything about sports so I wouldn’t know that all right so we’ll just jump right

that all right so we’ll just jump right

that all right so we’ll just jump right into the questions and all right yeah

into the questions and all right yeah

into the questions and all right yeah hit me all right so you talked a lot

hit me all right so you talked a lot

hit me all right so you talked a lot about how you have a passion for

about how you have a passion for

about how you have a passion for entrepreneurship and helping

entrepreneurship and helping

entrepreneurship and helping entrepreneurs I just thought you could

entrepreneurs I just thought you could

entrepreneurs I just thought you could start out just by telling us a bit about

start out just by telling us a bit about

start out just by telling us a bit about where that passion comes from ha that’s

where that passion comes from ha that’s

where that passion comes from ha that’s a great question um in my first business

a great question um in my first business

a great question um in my first business was a software company and it was just

was a software company and it was just

was a software company and it was just me and my two business partners and I

me and my two business partners and I

me and my two business partners and I didn’t do anything help with other

didn’t do anything help with other

didn’t do anything help with other entrepreneurs didn’t really know about

entrepreneurs didn’t really know about

entrepreneurs didn’t really know about the entrepreneurialism you know a goal

the entrepreneurialism you know a goal

the entrepreneurialism you know a goal or passion of mine necessarily and we

or passion of mine necessarily and we

or passion of mine necessarily and we struggled a lot and eventually made it

struggled a lot and eventually made it

struggled a lot and eventually made it through and I you know I just felt at

through and I you know I just felt at

through and I you know I just felt at that time like I wish it was easier wish

that time like I wish it was easier wish

that time like I wish it was easier wish there was information that would help me

there was information that would help me

there was information that would help me more than what I had available to me um

more than what I had available to me um

more than what I had available to me um you know there’s nothing really at my

you know there’s nothing really at my

you know there’s nothing really at my university nobody my family was

university nobody my family was

university nobody my family was entrepreneurs and so we struggled and

entrepreneurs and so we struggled and

entrepreneurs and so we struggled and almost almost quit and almost gave up

almost almost quit and almost gave up

almost almost quit and almost gave up and then you know when we had some

and then you know when we had some

and then you know when we had some success and I sold

success and I sold

success and I sold my business I was invited to speak at a

my business I was invited to speak at a

my business I was invited to speak at a couple of events being kind of this

couple of events being kind of this

couple of events being kind of this young entrepreneur success story I guess

young entrepreneur success story I guess

young entrepreneur success story I guess and one of the first ones was with a

and one of the first ones was with a

and one of the first ones was with a YMCA and they asked if I would come and

YMCA and they asked if I would come and

YMCA and they asked if I would come and do a speech to their students they had

do a speech to their students they had

do a speech to their students they had this program helping entrepreneurs get

this program helping entrepreneurs get

this program helping entrepreneurs get started in Toronto which is my city and

started in Toronto which is my city and

started in Toronto which is my city and it’s a chair I’ll come and I spent kind

it’s a chair I’ll come and I spent kind

it’s a chair I’ll come and I spent kind of a couple weeks preparing you know I

of a couple weeks preparing you know I

of a couple weeks preparing you know I wanted to get all of my best advice and

wanted to get all of my best advice and

wanted to get all of my best advice and tips in there for all the lessons that I

tips in there for all the lessons that I

tips in there for all the lessons that I felt I had learned and and they were

felt I had learned and and they were

felt I had learned and and they were promoting it and I promoted it was a

promoting it and I promoted it was a

promoting it and I promoted it was a free event and only three people showed

free event and only three people showed

free event and only three people showed up which which was uh like heartbreaking

up which which was uh like heartbreaking

up which which was uh like heartbreaking for me um but I loved it and and as like

for me um but I loved it and and as like

for me um but I loved it and and as like the show must go on and I helped those

the show must go on and I helped those

the show must go on and I helped those three people out and they left change

three people out and they left change

three people out and they left change people and inspired to go and do their

people and inspired to go and do their

people and inspired to go and do their business and at the time I didn’t know

business and at the time I didn’t know

business and at the time I didn’t know what I was going to do next I sold my

what I was going to do next I sold my

what I was going to do next I sold my business I was just looking for new

business I was just looking for new

business I was just looking for new opportunities a little bit sad and even

opportunities a little bit sad and even

opportunities a little bit sad and even let me be even depressed because I you

let me be even depressed because I you

let me be even depressed because I you know had this huge high and I didn’t

know had this huge high and I didn’t

know had this huge high and I didn’t know what to do next um and I kind of

know what to do next um and I kind of

know what to do next um and I kind of got it again when I was helping those

got it again when I was helping those

got it again when I was helping those three entrepreneurs and I didn’t know

three entrepreneurs and I didn’t know

three entrepreneurs and I didn’t know how I would turn it into a business um

how I would turn it into a business um

how I would turn it into a business um in fact if you look at it you know if

in fact if you look at it you know if

in fact if you look at it you know if you can’t get people to come out to a

you can’t get people to come out to a

you can’t get people to come out to a free event only three people show up how

free event only three people show up how

free event only three people show up how are you ever going to turn this into a

are you ever going to turn this into a

are you ever going to turn this into a business logic would dictate that I

business logic would dictate that I

business logic would dictate that I should go do something else um but I

should go do something else um but I

should go do something else um but I just I loved it I loved it so much I

just I loved it I loved it so much I

just I loved it I loved it so much I loved helping those people and so I knew

loved helping those people and so I knew

loved helping those people and so I knew that I had to find a way to keep doing

that I had to find a way to keep doing

that I had to find a way to keep doing it so that was that was kind of I i

it so that was that was kind of I i

it so that was that was kind of I i stumbled into it was an invite from the

stumbled into it was an invite from the

stumbled into it was an invite from the ymca and i’m a big believer in following

ymca and i’m a big believer in following

ymca and i’m a big believer in following your flow when you get into that you got

your flow when you get into that you got

your flow when you get into that you got to stay there as long as possible so i

to stay there as long as possible so i

to stay there as long as possible so i had to find a way to make it work so you

had to find a way to make it work so you

had to find a way to make it work so you said you started out right on the

said you started out right on the

said you started out right on the university with your own business about

university with your own business about

university with your own business about right yeah you know when i was in high

right yeah you know when i was in high

right yeah you know when i was in high school I thought I was going to be a

school I thought I was going to be a

school I thought I was going to be a banker you know when you have to fill

banker you know when you have to fill

banker you know when you have to fill out that form at the end of the year and

out that form at the end of the year and

out that form at the end of the year and say where am I going to be in 10 years

say where am I going to be in 10 years

say where am I going to be in 10 years mindset I would be a banker at a BP at a

mindset I would be a banker at a BP at a

mindset I would be a banker at a BP at a big bank that was my those my dream

big bank that was my those my dream

big bank that was my those my dream coming at high school because again I

coming at high school because again I

coming at high school because again I didn’t have any entrepreneur

didn’t have any entrepreneur

didn’t have any entrepreneur winces in my life nobody in my family’s

winces in my life nobody in my family’s

winces in my life nobody in my family’s an entrepreneur I didn’t know anybody

an entrepreneur I didn’t know anybody

an entrepreneur I didn’t know anybody was an entrepreneur so I just felt like

was an entrepreneur so I just felt like

was an entrepreneur so I just felt like I’m gonna do the banking route and then

I’m gonna do the banking route and then

I’m gonna do the banking route and then I got University and there were two

I got University and there were two

I got University and there were two people who are connected with what

people who are connected with what

people who are connected with what started the business who weren’t doing

started the business who weren’t doing

started the business who weren’t doing super well and asked me to join as a

super well and asked me to join as a

super well and asked me to join as a partner to help do the business side of

partner to help do the business side of

partner to help do the business side of it and at the time I was facing a big

it and at the time I was facing a big

it and at the time I was facing a big struggle because I had gotten job offers

struggle because I had gotten job offers

struggle because I had gotten job offers from the banks from the companies that I

from the banks from the companies that I

from the banks from the companies that I wanted to go work with I had an offer

wanted to go work with I had an offer

wanted to go work with I had an offer with merrill lynch and with McKinsey

with merrill lynch and with McKinsey

with merrill lynch and with McKinsey Consulting and you know they’re paying

Consulting and you know they’re paying

Consulting and you know they’re paying 80 to 100 thousand dollars starting

80 to 100 thousand dollars starting

80 to 100 thousand dollars starting salary fly me to the world of Astoria to

salary fly me to the world of Astoria to

salary fly me to the world of Astoria to recruit me um very tempting and at the

recruit me um very tempting and at the

recruit me um very tempting and at the time i was making three hundred dollars

time i was making three hundred dollars

time i was making three hundred dollars a month that my startup business so

a month that my startup business so

a month that my startup business so that’s uh you know that was pretty sad

that’s uh you know that was pretty sad

that’s uh you know that was pretty sad um but something made me feel like you

um but something made me feel like you

um but something made me feel like you know I want to I want to give this

know I want to I want to give this

know I want to I want to give this company a shot I don’t know something

company a shot I don’t know something

company a shot I don’t know something made me feel like I don’t want to live

made me feel like I don’t want to live

made me feel like I don’t want to live the rest of my life and regret and worry

the rest of my life and regret and worry

the rest of my life and regret and worry that man what if I had taken that chance

that man what if I had taken that chance

that man what if I had taken that chance and I figured I could always go and get

and I figured I could always go and get

and I figured I could always go and get a job in another year and I said I take

a job in another year and I said I take

a job in another year and I said I take a year off I’m going to do my business

a year off I’m going to do my business

a year off I’m going to do my business and and see how it goes so again I kind

and and see how it goes so again I kind

and and see how it goes so again I kind of just stumbled into it I you know I

of just stumbled into it I you know I

of just stumbled into it I you know I met those two people and they needed

met those two people and they needed

met those two people and they needed help and I thought it was an exciting

help and I thought it was an exciting

help and I thought it was an exciting challenge and so followed my flow into

challenge and so followed my flow into

challenge and so followed my flow into that opportunity and fortunately we

that opportunity and fortunately we

that opportunity and fortunately we turned it around um but I had to turn

turned it around um but I had to turn

turned it around um but I had to turn down kind of big offers that at the time

down kind of big offers that at the time

down kind of big offers that at the time I thought was what my my dream was so

I thought was what my my dream was so

I thought was what my my dream was so how did the people around you respond

how did the people around you respond

how did the people around you respond when you were turning down these big

when you were turning down these big

when you were turning down these big offers to continue forward this business

offers to continue forward this business

offers to continue forward this business it was struggling uh they were confused

it was struggling uh they were confused

it was struggling uh they were confused um uh unlucky that my parents important

um uh unlucky that my parents important

um uh unlucky that my parents important whatever I want to do you know they meet

whatever I want to do you know they meet

whatever I want to do you know they meet me know like bully you see it on the

me know like bully you see it on the

me know like bully you see it on the wall that came from them they always

wall that came from them they always

wall that came from them they always believed in me they always told me that

believed in me they always told me that

believed in me they always told me that I macos truly carmike and I can do

I macos truly carmike and I can do

I macos truly carmike and I can do whatever I want and even though they are

whatever I want and even though they are

whatever I want and even though they are very safe you know my dad worked for the

very safe you know my dad worked for the

very safe you know my dad worked for the government for forever you know very

government for forever you know very

government for forever you know very safe players they did

safe players they did

safe players they did hold me back from doing what I wanted to

hold me back from doing what I wanted to

hold me back from doing what I wanted to do they may be couldn’t give me advice

do they may be couldn’t give me advice

do they may be couldn’t give me advice as to what to do but they they just

as to what to do but they they just

as to what to do but they they just always made me feel like I could do

always made me feel like I could do

always made me feel like I could do whatever I wanted to do my friends were

whatever I wanted to do my friends were

whatever I wanted to do my friends were also confused cuz they wanted those same

also confused cuz they wanted those same

also confused cuz they wanted those same jobs right like I’m getting the call to

jobs right like I’m getting the call to

jobs right like I’m getting the call to go to New York for this big job and

go to New York for this big job and

go to New York for this big job and they’re not and so they’re jealous and

they’re not and so they’re jealous and

they’re not and so they’re jealous and then I don’t do it to go do this other

then I don’t do it to go do this other

then I don’t do it to go do this other business um I was embarrassed and

business um I was embarrassed and

business um I was embarrassed and ashamed at the time they didn’t know how

ashamed at the time they didn’t know how

ashamed at the time they didn’t know how how badly my company was doing didn’t

how badly my company was doing didn’t

how badly my company was doing didn’t know i was making three hundred dollars

know i was making three hundred dollars

know i was making three hundred dollars a month you know um and I was too

a month you know um and I was too

a month you know um and I was too ashamed to tell them and so that’s on me

ashamed to tell them and so that’s on me

ashamed to tell them and so that’s on me I guess and that was tough because I had

I guess and that was tough because I had

I guess and that was tough because I had I had you know I can only go out maybe

I had you know I can only go out maybe

I had you know I can only go out maybe once a month with them for pizza and

once a month with them for pizza and

once a month with them for pizza and beer because I couldn’t afford anything

beer because I couldn’t afford anything

beer because I couldn’t afford anything else I didn’t have the money to do it

else I didn’t have the money to do it

else I didn’t have the money to do it and I was supposed to be living the

and I was supposed to be living the

and I was supposed to be living the entrepreneur dream you know I turned it

entrepreneur dream you know I turned it

entrepreneur dream you know I turned it on the job says stick it to the man and

on the job says stick it to the man and

on the job says stick it to the man and do what I wanted and I was not having

do what I wanted and I was not having

do what I wanted and I was not having success um so yeah I was it was kind of

success um so yeah I was it was kind of

success um so yeah I was it was kind of isolating like I didn’t know who to talk

isolating like I didn’t know who to talk

isolating like I didn’t know who to talk to you about what I was going through my

to you about what I was going through my

to you about what I was going through my parents where it gets emotional support

parents where it gets emotional support

parents where it gets emotional support but my friends and my own fault by not

but my friends and my own fault by not

but my friends and my own fault by not opening up they were confused and you

opening up they were confused and you

opening up they were confused and you know thought I might be crazy to go and

know thought I might be crazy to go and

know thought I might be crazy to go and try and do this thing I think it’s

try and do this thing I think it’s

try and do this thing I think it’s interesting that you said that you were

interesting that you said that you were

interesting that you said that you were you felt embarrassed by the situation

you felt embarrassed by the situation

you felt embarrassed by the situation because for me personally I have a big

because for me personally I have a big

because for me personally I have a big problem with being embarrassed and that

problem with being embarrassed and that

problem with being embarrassed and that holds me back a lot from doing things

holds me back a lot from doing things

holds me back a lot from doing things that I would want to do so I get over

that I would want to do so I get over

that I would want to do so I get over that embarrassment um it’s a good

that embarrassment um it’s a good

that embarrassment um it’s a good question i guess i became successful

like I don’t think I told anybody um any

like I don’t think I told anybody um any of my friends really they all that just

of my friends really they all that just

of my friends really they all that just assumed I was I was successful and it

assumed I was I was successful and it

assumed I was I was successful and it was you know they were working for the

was you know they were working for the

was you know they were working for the man and they were hating their jobs and

man and they were hating their jobs and

man and they were hating their jobs and working 100 hours a week and um yeah I

working 100 hours a week and um yeah I

working 100 hours a week and um yeah I don’t think I really i mean III think i

don’t think I really i mean III think i

don’t think I really i mean III think i think it would have been better if i did

think it would have been better if i did

think it would have been better if i did like looking back I think maybe it was

like looking back I think maybe it was

like looking back I think maybe it was immaturity or stubbornness or what but i

immaturity or stubbornness or what but i

immaturity or stubbornness or what but i think i think i would have had an easier

think i think i would have had an easier

think i think i would have had an easier time getting through it

time getting through it

time getting through it they knew how hard a time I was having

they knew how hard a time I was having

they knew how hard a time I was having an appeal to give me some more support

an appeal to give me some more support

an appeal to give me some more support and ideas even if just emotional support

and ideas even if just emotional support

and ideas even if just emotional support um yeah so I don’t know I don’t think I

um yeah so I don’t know I don’t think I

um yeah so I don’t know I don’t think I handle it very well but that’s I guess

handle it very well but that’s I guess

handle it very well but that’s I guess that’s the story now I became successful

that’s the story now I became successful

that’s the story now I became successful then I and then I told my story but how

then I and then I told my story but how

then I and then I told my story but how I we struggled and they were like why do

I we struggled and they were like why do

I we struggled and they were like why do you were sparkling back then I didn’t

you were sparkling back then I didn’t

you were sparkling back then I didn’t know um so now I’m much more open at

know um so now I’m much more open at

know um so now I’m much more open at least I feel in admitting where I’m

least I feel in admitting where I’m

least I feel in admitting where I’m struggling and what mistakes I have and

struggling and what mistakes I have and

struggling and what mistakes I have and how it how I’m trying to get better

how it how I’m trying to get better

how it how I’m trying to get better that’s good though because then people

that’s good though because then people

that’s good though because then people can learn from your experience I think

can learn from your experience I think

can learn from your experience I think it’s really good that you’re willing to

it’s really good that you’re willing to

it’s really good that you’re willing to be so open about what’s going on with

be so open about what’s going on with

be so open about what’s going on with your business now and what’s happened in

your business now and what’s happened in

your business now and what’s happened in the past it’s really good so when you’re

the past it’s really good so when you’re

the past it’s really good so when you’re you were struggling in the business what

you were struggling in the business what

you were struggling in the business what gave you the drive to stick to it and

gave you the drive to stick to it and

gave you the drive to stick to it and not just say okay I’m gonna go get a

not just say okay I’m gonna go get a

not just say okay I’m gonna go get a normal conventional job yeah uh I almost

normal conventional job yeah uh I almost

normal conventional job yeah uh I almost quit um and I think it’s normal I think

quit um and I think it’s normal I think

quit um and I think it’s normal I think I think it’s something nobody talks

I think it’s something nobody talks

I think it’s something nobody talks about how you know it’s an entrepreneur

about how you know it’s an entrepreneur

about how you know it’s an entrepreneur always seeing all the good things right

always seeing all the good things right

always seeing all the good things right like oh I just launches new podcast I

like oh I just launches new podcast I

like oh I just launches new podcast I just got this new client or whatever

just got this new client or whatever

just got this new client or whatever it’s always a good stuff but not that I

it’s always a good stuff but not that I

it’s always a good stuff but not that I don’t know what I’m doing if I’m going

don’t know what I’m doing if I’m going

don’t know what I’m doing if I’m going to make it and I think I might have to

to make it and I think I might have to

to make it and I think I might have to go and get a job nobody ever really

go and get a job nobody ever really

go and get a job nobody ever really talks about that and I think it’s

talks about that and I think it’s

talks about that and I think it’s important to acknowledge that that

important to acknowledge that that

important to acknowledge that that everybody goes through that on their

everybody goes through that on their

everybody goes through that on their journey and on their cycle I think that

journey and on their cycle I think that

journey and on their cycle I think that makes a little easier because when

makes a little easier because when

makes a little easier because when you’re struggling and you can’t make it

you’re struggling and you can’t make it

you’re struggling and you can’t make it work and you just read the magazines and

work and you just read the magazines and

work and you just read the magazines and newspapers and watch videos with the

newspapers and watch videos with the

newspapers and watch videos with the people making a huge like why am I not

people making a huge like why am I not

people making a huge like why am I not there until my story you know I had

there until my story you know I had

there until my story you know I had always had success when I applied myself

always had success when I applied myself

always had success when I applied myself um I think it’s for most people like if

um I think it’s for most people like if

um I think it’s for most people like if I spent more time at school I would get

I spent more time at school I would get

I spent more time at school I would get better grades if I practice you know my

better grades if I practice you know my

better grades if I practice you know my jump shot I’d have a better play better

jump shot I’d have a better play better

jump shot I’d have a better play better basketball and here it was in my

basketball and here it was in my

basketball and here it was in my business working hard like I was not

business working hard like I was not

business working hard like I was not slacking I was working my butt off and I

slacking I was working my butt off and I

slacking I was working my butt off and I was not getting results and it was just

was not getting results and it was just

was not getting results and it was just soul crushing you know like I’ve never

soul crushing you know like I’ve never

soul crushing you know like I’ve never felt so demoralized so worthless ever

felt so demoralized so worthless ever

felt so demoralized so worthless ever in my life anything you know if I wasn’t

in my life anything you know if I wasn’t

in my life anything you know if I wasn’t trying fine like they can write that up

trying fine like they can write that up

trying fine like they can write that up if here I was like really trying um and

if here I was like really trying um and

if here I was like really trying um and one day came where it was the family

one day came where it was the family

one day came where it was the family event and uh I got into a disagreement

event and uh I got into a disagreement

event and uh I got into a disagreement with my partner and just you know I as

with my partner and just you know I as

with my partner and just you know I as general we’re pretty much on the same

general we’re pretty much on the same

general we’re pretty much on the same page when you’re not making any money

page when you’re not making any money

page when you’re not making any money you know you start to disagree over

you know you start to disagree over

you know you start to disagree over where to take the business and and I

where to take the business and and I

where to take the business and and I told them that I quit like I can’t do

told them that I quit like I can’t do

told them that I quit like I can’t do this anymore I want to feel like I’m

this anymore I want to feel like I’m

this anymore I want to feel like I’m contributing something valuable I can’t

contributing something valuable I can’t

contributing something valuable I can’t take this anymore I quit I’m done um and

take this anymore I quit I’m done um and

take this anymore I quit I’m done um and I hung up the phone I just cried

I hung up the phone I just cried

I hung up the phone I just cried endlessly for I don’t know 45 minutes

endlessly for I don’t know 45 minutes

endlessly for I don’t know 45 minutes and I was at my parents house and I mom

and I was at my parents house and I mom

and I was at my parents house and I mom came up and put her hand on my shoulder

came up and put her hand on my shoulder

came up and put her hand on my shoulder and I didn’t know what she said to me I

and I didn’t know what she said to me I

and I didn’t know what she said to me I mean you know tears coming in my eyes my

mean you know tears coming in my eyes my

mean you know tears coming in my eyes my nose just like one of the worst days of

nose just like one of the worst days of

nose just like one of the worst days of my life um and then you know what I woke

my life um and then you know what I woke

my life um and then you know what I woke up the next day and I just felt like I

up the next day and I just felt like I

up the next day and I just felt like I can’t quit oh that’s okay not quit I

can’t quit oh that’s okay not quit I

can’t quit oh that’s okay not quit I need to do this but the way that I had

need to do this but the way that I had

need to do this but the way that I had been doing it wasn’t working so I need

been doing it wasn’t working so I need

been doing it wasn’t working so I need to find a different way to stain I gotta

to find a different way to stain I gotta

to find a different way to stain I gotta find something else I gotta I gotta

find something else I gotta I gotta

find something else I gotta I gotta figure this out and just I don’t know

figure this out and just I don’t know

figure this out and just I don’t know something about me felt like I just I

something about me felt like I just I

something about me felt like I just I didn’t want to live with regret I didn’t

didn’t want to live with regret I didn’t

didn’t want to live with regret I didn’t want to quit and into my partner’s

want to quit and into my partner’s

want to quit and into my partner’s credit you know showed up the next day

credit you know showed up the next day

credit you know showed up the next day we worked out of his condo um and he

we worked out of his condo um and he

we worked out of his condo um and he didn’t he didn’t give me a hard time he

didn’t he didn’t give me a hard time he

didn’t he didn’t give me a hard time he didn’t say like oh you quit on me why

didn’t say like oh you quit on me why

didn’t say like oh you quit on me why are you here you know do you want to be

are you here you know do you want to be

are you here you know do you want to be a part of this he didn’t give me hearts

a part of this he didn’t give me hearts

a part of this he didn’t give me hearts and we just went back to work and that

and we just went back to work and that

and we just went back to work and that was that that was great on his part and

was that that was great on his part and

was that that was great on his part and I appreciate him for that uh what helped

I appreciate him for that uh what helped

I appreciate him for that uh what helped me we kind of get over it was realizing

me we kind of get over it was realizing

me we kind of get over it was realizing that I’m not the first guy to try to

that I’m not the first guy to try to

that I’m not the first guy to try to sell sophomore at the time um you know

sell sophomore at the time um you know

sell sophomore at the time um you know the main I’ve been I was in biotech

the main I’ve been I was in biotech

the main I’ve been I was in biotech software there wasn’t this huge biotech

software there wasn’t this huge biotech

software there wasn’t this huge biotech software company good luck up to but

software company good luck up to but

software company good luck up to but there were other software companies and

there were other software companies and

there were other software companies and I would try to model success and I

I would try to model success and I

I would try to model success and I thought hey somebody else has already

thought hey somebody else has already

thought hey somebody else has already figured this out how can I model that

figured this out how can I model that

figured this out how can I model that success to help me grow and I looked at

success to help me grow and I looked at

success to help me grow and I looked at Bill Gates from Microsoft and he had

Bill Gates from Microsoft and he had

Bill Gates from Microsoft and he had success in software like well how does

success in software like well how does

success in software like well how does he make how did he make his first

he make how did he make his first

he make how did he make his first milling right like not not how he makes

milling right like not not how he makes

milling right like not not how he makes money now

money now

money now because you know he’s make made a ton of

because you know he’s make made a ton of

because you know he’s make made a ton of money but like 0 to 1 how did they do

money but like 0 to 1 how did they do

money but like 0 to 1 how did they do that that’s what I wanted to how do i

that that’s what I wanted to how do i

that that’s what I wanted to how do i how do i get that i needed through

how do i get that i needed through

how do i get that i needed through forming alliances making partnerships

forming alliances making partnerships

forming alliances making partnerships and so I thought okay I know try that

and so I thought okay I know try that

and so I thought okay I know try that I’m not going to try to invent the wheel

I’m not going to try to invent the wheel

I’m not going to try to invent the wheel for everything i’m just going to apply

for everything i’m just going to apply

for everything i’m just going to apply that strategy and within a month or two

that strategy and within a month or two

that strategy and within a month or two I had my first partnership and they paid

I had my first partnership and they paid

I had my first partnership and they paid 13 and a half thousand dollars up front

13 and a half thousand dollars up front

13 and a half thousand dollars up front to me and man that felt good you know

to me and man that felt good you know

to me and man that felt good you know that’s that that may not be a lot of

that’s that that may not be a lot of

that’s that that may not be a lot of money but to me making three hundred

money but to me making three hundred

money but to me making three hundred dollars a month that that was like I hit

dollars a month that that was like I hit

dollars a month that that was like I hit the jackpot that was awesome and better

the jackpot that was awesome and better

the jackpot that was awesome and better than just having that money I had I had

than just having that money I had I had

than just having that money I had I had a strategy now that I can replicate I

a strategy now that I can replicate I

a strategy now that I can replicate I can go find other partners and make

can go find other partners and make

can go find other partners and make similar deals and that’s how we started

similar deals and that’s how we started

similar deals and that’s how we started turning the tide with the company and

turning the tide with the company and

turning the tide with the company and meet starting to feel like I had some

meet starting to feel like I had some

meet starting to feel like I had some self-worth again um but I guess I mean

self-worth again um but I guess I mean

self-worth again um but I guess I mean to come back to the questions just there

to come back to the questions just there

to come back to the questions just there was something inside of me feel like I

was something inside of me feel like I

was something inside of me feel like I can’t quit you know I don’t want to quit

can’t quit you know I don’t want to quit

can’t quit you know I don’t want to quit on this it’s too important I want to I

on this it’s too important I want to I

on this it’s too important I want to I want to ride it at I don’t know maybe it

want to ride it at I don’t know maybe it

want to ride it at I don’t know maybe it was crazy do you think you were always

was crazy do you think you were always

was crazy do you think you were always like that do you think what separates

like that do you think what separates

like that do you think what separates the people from that quit and then just

the people from that quit and then just

the people from that quit and then just go on to live a life of regret to from

go on to live a life of regret to from

go on to live a life of regret to from the people who keep moving forward even

the people who keep moving forward even

the people who keep moving forward even the face of what seems like failure yeah

the face of what seems like failure yeah

the face of what seems like failure yeah that’s a great question I’m enjoying

that’s a great question I’m enjoying

that’s a great question I’m enjoying this you have really like calm cool

this you have really like calm cool

this you have really like calm cool demeanor I’m thanking you know uh yeah

demeanor I’m thanking you know uh yeah

demeanor I’m thanking you know uh yeah yeah I’m excited for the podcast future

yeah I’m excited for the podcast future

yeah I’m excited for the podcast future I I quit on a lot of things actually I I

I I quit on a lot of things actually I I

I I quit on a lot of things actually I I i love doing small tests and if it’s not

i love doing small tests and if it’s not

i love doing small tests and if it’s not working out or if i’m not feeling if i

working out or if i’m not feeling if i

working out or if i’m not feeling if i quit and I’m totally okay with that I

quit and I’m totally okay with that I

quit and I’m totally okay with that I think it’s when I’m a stubborn person I

think it’s when I’m a stubborn person I

think it’s when I’m a stubborn person I can be really stubborn over big things

can be really stubborn over big things

can be really stubborn over big things over most like little things in life I

over most like little things in life I

over most like little things in life I don’t care you know my wife wants to

don’t care you know my wife wants to

don’t care you know my wife wants to watch movie what movie do much I don’t

watch movie what movie do much I don’t

watch movie what movie do much I don’t care what do you do me what do we got to

care what do you do me what do we got to

care what do you do me what do we got to dinner I don’t really care but some of

dinner I don’t really care but some of

dinner I don’t really care but some of the big things i can get super stubborn

the big things i can get super stubborn

the big things i can get super stubborn on and i hate i hate giving up on

on and i hate i hate giving up on

on and i hate i hate giving up on something that I’m really stubborn about

something that I’m really stubborn about

something that I’m really stubborn about um

um

um have I always been like that I think so

have I always been like that I think so

have I always been like that I think so you know what I want something it’s like

you know what I want something it’s like

you know what I want something it’s like blinders on and I go and chase it until

blinders on and I go and chase it until

blinders on and I go and chase it until it’s done but along the way like I’ll

it’s done but along the way like I’ll

it’s done but along the way like I’ll quit and a whole bunch of other things

quit and a whole bunch of other things

quit and a whole bunch of other things that just weren’t as important mm-hmm

that just weren’t as important mm-hmm

that just weren’t as important mm-hmm just about separating let’s import and

just about separating let’s import and

just about separating let’s import and what’s not important yeah I’m a big

what’s not important yeah I’m a big

what’s not important yeah I’m a big believer in following your flow right

believer in following your flow right

believer in following your flow right I’ve talked about a couple of times

I’ve talked about a couple of times

I’ve talked about a couple of times already um when you when you feel like

already um when you when you feel like

already um when you when you feel like you when you are doing something that

you when you are doing something that

you when you are doing something that makes you come alive whatever it is it’s

makes you come alive whatever it is it’s

makes you come alive whatever it is it’s making a podcast doing a painting doing

making a podcast doing a painting doing

making a podcast doing a painting doing business whatever it is when you feel

business whatever it is when you feel

business whatever it is when you feel like you’re in that zone and you feel

like you’re in that zone and you feel

like you’re in that zone and you feel alive you have to do that more and and

alive you have to do that more and and

alive you have to do that more and and most of the time when you first do it it

most of the time when you first do it it

most of the time when you first do it it doesn’t make sense like there’s no

doesn’t make sense like there’s no

doesn’t make sense like there’s no logical way to go and follow that path

logical way to go and follow that path

logical way to go and follow that path and that’s the hardest time to say yes

and that’s the hardest time to say yes

and that’s the hardest time to say yes because there’s like this safe path

because there’s like this safe path

because there’s like this safe path that’s lined out for you that everybody

that’s lined out for you that everybody

that’s lined out for you that everybody goes down that makes total sense but but

goes down that makes total sense but but

goes down that makes total sense but but isn’t exciting a challenging for you and

isn’t exciting a challenging for you and

isn’t exciting a challenging for you and then this is crazy path that everybody

then this is crazy path that everybody

then this is crazy path that everybody is too afraid to take that really

is too afraid to take that really

is too afraid to take that really excites you but there’s no safety net

excites you but there’s no safety net

excites you but there’s no safety net and nobody’s doing it and you know that

and nobody’s doing it and you know that

and nobody’s doing it and you know that that that’s too scary to go down I think

that that’s too scary to go down I think

that that’s too scary to go down I think we all have those moments where like we

we all have those moments where like we

we all have those moments where like we wish we could be out here but were we’re

wish we could be out here but were we’re

wish we could be out here but were we’re here I’ve always been about like I want

here I’ve always been about like I want

here I’ve always been about like I want to chase that and so going into the

to chase that and so going into the

to chase that and so going into the biotech software company when I had

biotech software company when I had

biotech software company when I had these big job offers seem crazy but it

these big job offers seem crazy but it

these big job offers seem crazy but it was what got me excited you know going

was what got me excited you know going

was what got me excited you know going to help entrepreneurs when I couldn’t

to help entrepreneurs when I couldn’t

to help entrepreneurs when I couldn’t get people to come up to a free event

get people to come up to a free event

get people to come up to a free event it’s crazy but I had to keep doing it

it’s crazy but I had to keep doing it

it’s crazy but I had to keep doing it because I loved it and so um I’ve tried

because I loved it and so um I’ve tried

because I loved it and so um I’ve tried to make that a theme i guess for my life

to make that a theme i guess for my life

to make that a theme i guess for my life I’m much more self aware of that now

I’m much more self aware of that now

I’m much more self aware of that now than I was before I was much more

than I was before I was much more

than I was before I was much more confused and those decisions I maybe I

confused and those decisions I maybe I

confused and those decisions I maybe I may be kind of glossed over those were

may be kind of glossed over those were

may be kind of glossed over those were hard decision saying no to those gods

hard decision saying no to those gods

hard decision saying no to those gods wasn’t just like oh yeah I’ll come back

wasn’t just like oh yeah I’ll come back

wasn’t just like oh yeah I’ll come back in a year no prob like that was heart

in a year no prob like that was heart

in a year no prob like that was heart wrenching that was really tough um I

wrenching that was really tough um I

wrenching that was really tough um I didn’t know if I was making the biggest

didn’t know if I was making the biggest

didn’t know if I was making the biggest mistake of my life you know uh now i’m

mistake of my life you know uh now i’m

mistake of my life you know uh now i’m much more self-aware and can be more

much more self-aware and can be more

much more self-aware and can be more proactive with it and whenever I’m in

proactive with it and whenever I’m in

proactive with it and whenever I’m in the flow on something or something I

the flow on something or something I

the flow on something or something I really want to try to do I just I just

really want to try to do I just I just

really want to try to do I just I just start and do it until I start until I

start and do it until I start until I

start and do it until I start until I the excitement and if I don’t lose the

the excitement and if I don’t lose the

the excitement and if I don’t lose the excitement to keep going so your company

excitement to keep going so your company

excitement to keep going so your company grew and grew and then you sold it right

grew and grew and then you sold it right

grew and grew and then you sold it right mmhmm yeah um a little little drink

mmhmm yeah um a little little drink

mmhmm yeah um a little little drink break um go ahead that’s good yeah so we

break um go ahead that’s good yeah so we

break um go ahead that’s good yeah so we you know we started laying in

you know we started laying in

you know we started laying in partnerships um I started doing a lot

partnerships um I started doing a lot

partnerships um I started doing a lot more media for the company we got we got

more media for the company we got we got

more media for the company we got we got big clients nasa johnson Johnson um in

big clients nasa johnson Johnson um in

big clients nasa johnson Johnson um in our industry there was you notice a lot

our industry there was you notice a lot

our industry there was you notice a lot of industries were they they consolidate

of industries were they they consolidate

of industries were they they consolidate where you get a few big players and then

where you get a few big players and then

where you get a few big players and then they start to expand a whole bunch of

they start to expand a whole bunch of

they start to expand a whole bunch of new startups coming industries kind of

new startups coming industries kind of

new startups coming industries kind of go in these waves like that and so what

go in these waves like that and so what

go in these waves like that and so what was happening in our industry at the

was happening in our industry at the

was happening in our industry at the time was comes consolidation so the big

time was comes consolidation so the big

time was comes consolidation so the big companies are climbing up all the little

companies are climbing up all the little

companies are climbing up all the little companies and so we had to make a

companies and so we had to make a

companies and so we had to make a decision do we want to try to stay

decision do we want to try to stay

decision do we want to try to stay independent stay being a little guy and

independent stay being a little guy and

independent stay being a little guy and ride it out until the next cycle that

ride it out until the next cycle that

ride it out until the next cycle that might be eight or ten years later or do

might be eight or ten years later or do

might be eight or ten years later or do we want to get bought out and join a

we want to get bought out and join a

we want to get bought out and join a bigger company and I actually wanted to

bigger company and I actually wanted to

bigger company and I actually wanted to stay I want to stay in fight like we

stay I want to stay in fight like we

stay I want to stay in fight like we were growing we had momentum we were

were growing we had momentum we were

were growing we had momentum we were kicking it up a gear we could do this

kicking it up a gear we could do this

kicking it up a gear we could do this we’ve got it but my business partner is

we’ve got it but my business partner is

we’ve got it but my business partner is one of one of their lifelong dreams I

one of one of their lifelong dreams I

one of one of their lifelong dreams I guess was to go to California um we’re

guess was to go to California um we’re

guess was to go to California um we’re based in Toronto Canada and you we can’t

based in Toronto Canada and you we can’t

based in Toronto Canada and you we can’t I can’t just pick up and move to

I can’t just pick up and move to

I can’t just pick up and move to California you know legally at least and

California you know legally at least and

California you know legally at least and so we had an opportunity to join a

so we had an opportunity to join a

so we had an opportunity to join a company that was based in California and

company that was based in California and

company that was based in California and that sponsored my partner’s to go and so

that sponsored my partner’s to go and so

that sponsored my partner’s to go and so that was our that you know how do you

that was our that you know how do you

that was our that you know how do you tell somebody no you can’t live your

tell somebody no you can’t live your

tell somebody no you can’t live your personal dream you have to stay in this

personal dream you have to stay in this

personal dream you have to stay in this business and so we ended up selling the

business and so we ended up selling the

business and so we ended up selling the company in California and they move

company in California and they move

company in California and they move there and I sit here when you started

there and I sit here when you started

there and I sit here when you started moving on to doing different ventures

moving on to doing different ventures

moving on to doing different ventures okay so you work with entrepreneurs now

okay so you work with entrepreneurs now

okay so you work with entrepreneurs now and one of the things that I think is

and one of the things that I think is

and one of the things that I think is really interesting about your message or

really interesting about your message or

really interesting about your message or what you tell people to do is you have

what you tell people to do is you have

what you tell people to do is you have the idea of having one word that

the idea of having one word that

the idea of having one word that encompasses the

encompasses the

encompasses the of the company could you talk a bit

of the company could you talk a bit

of the company could you talk a bit about that idea yeah um you know my

about that idea yeah um you know my

about that idea yeah um you know my board is here when the wall believe I

board is here when the wall believe I

board is here when the wall believe I think it’s I think most people don’t

think it’s I think most people don’t

think it’s I think most people don’t live there life on purpose I think

live there life on purpose I think

live there life on purpose I think people live their life reacting to the

people live their life reacting to the

people live their life reacting to the things around them and they end up being

things around them and they end up being

things around them and they end up being just a victim of their circumstances in

just a victim of their circumstances in

just a victim of their circumstances in their environment and if you look at

their environment and if you look at

their environment and if you look at most people you will be basically like

most people you will be basically like

most people you will be basically like your parents who will be basically like

your parents who will be basically like

your parents who will be basically like your friends and we’re constant living

your friends and we’re constant living

your friends and we’re constant living in reactionary mode where what I believe

in reactionary mode where what I believe

in reactionary mode where what I believe is is a there’s a single theme that

is is a there’s a single theme that

is is a there’s a single theme that combines everything that you like

combines everything that you like

combines everything that you like together and always have like together

together and always have like together

together and always have like together so if you look at what’s your favorite

so if you look at what’s your favorite

so if you look at what’s your favorite movie and what are your favorite songs

movie and what are your favorite songs

movie and what are your favorite songs and what do you like about your husband

and what do you like about your husband

and what do you like about your husband or your wife or your boyfriend and

or your wife or your boyfriend and

or your wife or your boyfriend and girlfriend or what did you love about

girlfriend or what did you love about

girlfriend or what did you love about your favorite teacher there’s a common

your favorite teacher there’s a common

your favorite teacher there’s a common theme that if you look at it unifies all

theme that if you look at it unifies all

theme that if you look at it unifies all of these things together for me it’s

of these things together for me it’s

of these things together for me it’s believed so you know my favorite movie

believed so you know my favorite movie

believed so you know my favorite movie is Seabiscuit I don’t know if you’ve

is Seabiscuit I don’t know if you’ve

is Seabiscuit I don’t know if you’ve seen see business yeah it’s about this

seen see business yeah it’s about this

seen see business yeah it’s about this horse and his jockey and his owner and

horse and his jockey and his owner and

horse and his jockey and his owner and everybody’s down on their luck and then

everybody’s down on their luck and then

everybody’s down on their luck and then they they come up and they rise and I’ve

they they come up and they rise and I’ve

they they come up and they rise and I’ve seen that movie no 25 times or something

seen that movie no 25 times or something

seen that movie no 25 times or something um I love that story i love the like you

um I love that story i love the like you

um I love that story i love the like you know parents told me your costs rally

know parents told me your costs rally

know parents told me your costs rally car mat that you can do anything i love

car mat that you can do anything i love

car mat that you can do anything i love i love instilling belief in others and I

i love instilling belief in others and I

i love instilling belief in others and I love trying to believe in myself to go

love trying to believe in myself to go

love trying to believe in myself to go and accomplish things and so now when

and accomplish things and so now when

and accomplish things and so now when you have that awareness of what you

you have that awareness of what you

you have that awareness of what you staying for and what your one word is

staying for and what your one word is

staying for and what your one word is and what your most important it’s

and what your most important it’s

and what your most important it’s basically your most important core value

basically your most important core value

basically your most important core value you can start to make decisions in your

you can start to make decisions in your

you can start to make decisions in your life and in your business if you’re

life and in your business if you’re

life and in your business if you’re dealing with entrepreneurs that’s much

dealing with entrepreneurs that’s much

dealing with entrepreneurs that’s much more proactive so you know as an example

more proactive so you know as an example

more proactive so you know as an example if I’m hiring somebody from my team i

if I’m hiring somebody from my team i

if I’m hiring somebody from my team i will lead with you know i’m looking for

will lead with you know i’m looking for

will lead with you know i’m looking for a believe programmer and then i explain

a believe programmer and then i explain

a believe programmer and then i explain what believe is all about because i want

what believe is all about because i want

what believe is all about because i want somebody who loves what this company is

somebody who loves what this company is

somebody who loves what this company is all about before the skill set where

all about before the skill set where

all about before the skill set where most people do the opposite so i need

most people do the opposite so i need

most people do the opposite so i need someone who can do PHP and throw up a

someone who can do PHP and throw up a

someone who can do PHP and throw up a website for me and yes they have all the

website for me and yes they have all the

website for me and yes they have all the skills but because that person isn’t

skills but because that person isn’t

skills but because that person isn’t aligned with what you stand for then

aligned with what you stand for then

aligned with what you stand for then it’s never going to be a fantastic

it’s never going to be a fantastic

it’s never going to be a fantastic relationship

relationship

relationship and so I’m a big believer in trying to

and so I’m a big believer in trying to

and so I’m a big believer in trying to get it down to that one word

get it down to that one word

get it down to that one word understanding what defines you and then

understanding what defines you and then

understanding what defines you and then use that as your compass use that as

use that as your compass use that as

use that as your compass use that as your like the lens through which you see

your like the lens through which you see

your like the lens through which you see the world so that you can make decisions

the world so that you can make decisions

the world so that you can make decisions more proactively and live a life on

more proactively and live a life on

more proactively and live a life on purpose instead of just being

purpose instead of just being

purpose instead of just being reactionary to other people’s beliefs

reactionary to other people’s beliefs

reactionary to other people’s beliefs okay you talk a lot about entrepreneurs

okay you talk a lot about entrepreneurs

okay you talk a lot about entrepreneurs not just chasing the money but following

not just chasing the money but following

not just chasing the money but following their passions and I know there’s a

their passions and I know there’s a

their passions and I know there’s a phrase that gets tossed around a lot

phrase that gets tossed around a lot

phrase that gets tossed around a lot online like follow your passion and the

online like follow your passion and the

online like follow your passion and the money will follow I just wonder what you

money will follow I just wonder what you

money will follow I just wonder what you think about that phrase yeah I agree if

think about that phrase yeah I agree if

think about that phrase yeah I agree if you look at famous entrepreneurs and and

you look at famous entrepreneurs and and

you look at famous entrepreneurs and and you know my how I got inserted in the

you know my how I got inserted in the

you know my how I got inserted in the Entrepreneurship world after was in

Entrepreneurship world after was in

Entrepreneurship world after was in profile and famous entrepreneurs or one

profile and famous entrepreneurs or one

profile and famous entrepreneurs or one of the largest collections of famous

of the largest collections of famous

of the largest collections of famous entrepreneur stories online a great

entrepreneur stories online a great

entrepreneur stories online a great collection look at if you look at why

collection look at if you look at why

collection look at if you look at why they started you watch their videos you

they started you watch their videos you

they started you watch their videos you listen to their speeches um money was

listen to their speeches um money was

listen to their speeches um money was never the most important thing uh no

never the most important thing uh no

never the most important thing uh no that’s not the money is important right

that’s not the money is important right

that’s not the money is important right like it’s not saying hey forget about

like it’s not saying hey forget about

like it’s not saying hey forget about money like we’re not doing charities

money like we’re not doing charities

money like we’re not doing charities here you have to make money but money is

here you have to make money but money is

here you have to make money but money is never the number one reason to start

never the number one reason to start

never the number one reason to start something if it is you’re gonna quit

something if it is you’re gonna quit

something if it is you’re gonna quit because whatever you do is going to get

because whatever you do is going to get

because whatever you do is going to get tough you’ll have moments of like I had

tough you’ll have moments of like I had

tough you’ll have moments of like I had with my business you’ll have you know

with my business you’ll have you know

with my business you’ll have you know just moments where you want to quit and

just moments where you want to quit and

just moments where you want to quit and give up and you the thing that pushes

give up and you the thing that pushes

give up and you the thing that pushes you through is because you love what

you through is because you love what

you through is because you love what you’re doing you want to have an impact

you’re doing you want to have an impact

you’re doing you want to have an impact you want to make a difference if you’re

you want to make a difference if you’re

you want to make a difference if you’re doing to just trying to make money then

doing to just trying to make money then

doing to just trying to make money then as soon as it gets hard you’re gonna

as soon as it gets hard you’re gonna

as soon as it gets hard you’re gonna move to something else and that’s what a

move to something else and that’s what a

move to something else and that’s what a lot of people do they start a business

lot of people do they start a business

lot of people do they start a business and others i can make tons of money here

and others i can make tons of money here

and others i can make tons of money here so they start they don’t make money it

so they start they don’t make money it

so they start they don’t make money it gets hard they quit they move on to

gets hard they quit they move on to

gets hard they quit they move on to something else and they keep chasing

something else and they keep chasing

something else and they keep chasing these little opportunities and they

these little opportunities and they

these little opportunities and they never hit it big where if you look at

never hit it big where if you look at

never hit it big where if you look at any another encourage you know your

any another encourage you know your

any another encourage you know your listeners look at any famous

listeners look at any famous

listeners look at any famous entrepreneur something you look up to

entrepreneur something you look up to

entrepreneur something you look up to and research their story you’ll always

and research their story you’ll always

and research their story you’ll always find that they had a genuine love for

find that they had a genuine love for

find that they had a genuine love for what they’re doing the examples Steve

what they’re doing the examples Steve

what they’re doing the examples Steve Jobs Apple you know one of the people I

Jobs Apple you know one of the people I

Jobs Apple you know one of the people I look up to

look up to

look up to he was a multi-millionaire in his early

he was a multi-millionaire in his early

he was a multi-millionaire in his early 20s he was worth a hundred million

20s he was worth a hundred million

20s he was worth a hundred million dollars in his mid-20s one hundred

dollars in his mid-20s one hundred

dollars in his mid-20s one hundred million dollars in your mid-twenties and

million dollars in your mid-twenties and

million dollars in your mid-twenties and yet he worked until the day that he died

yet he worked until the day that he died

yet he worked until the day that he died at apple and he built apple into

at apple and he built apple into

at apple and he built apple into becoming the most valuable company in

becoming the most valuable company in

becoming the most valuable company in the world according to market cap where

the world according to market cap where

the world according to market cap where his number one goal was never money um

his number one goal was never money um

his number one goal was never money um and that’s not just for business that’s

and that’s not just for business that’s

and that’s not just for business that’s anything you know you look at the people

anything you know you look at the people

anything you know you look at the people the top people in any industry if you if

the top people in any industry if you if

the top people in any industry if you if you just you know you don’t have the

you just you know you don’t have the

you just you know you don’t have the gumption to be an entrepreneur it’s not

gumption to be an entrepreneur it’s not

gumption to be an entrepreneur it’s not part of who you are you want to ride the

part of who you are you want to ride the

part of who you are you want to ride the corporate ladder you look at whoever is

corporate ladder you look at whoever is

corporate ladder you look at whoever is the CEO you look at the people who are

the CEO you look at the people who are

the CEO you look at the people who are in charge of these companies they love

in charge of these companies they love

in charge of these companies they love what they do like if you can have some

what they do like if you can have some

what they do like if you can have some success just basing off of your your

success just basing off of your your

success just basing off of your your talent but if you don’t have the heart

talent but if you don’t have the heart

talent but if you don’t have the heart you’re never going to rise to the top of

you’re never going to rise to the top of

you’re never going to rise to the top of your industry no matter what you’re

your industry no matter what you’re

your industry no matter what you’re doing and so when you’re following your

doing and so when you’re following your

doing and so when you’re following your passion and you’re invested into it

passion and you’re invested into it

passion and you’re invested into it you’re learning everything can about it

you’re learning everything can about it

you’re learning everything can about it then you’re going to create something of

then you’re going to create something of

then you’re going to create something of immense value for your industry for your

immense value for your industry for your

immense value for your industry for your market but that’s how you create tons of

market but that’s how you create tons of

market but that’s how you create tons of values because you genuinely care about

values because you genuinely care about

values because you genuinely care about making a difference and then if you

making a difference and then if you

making a difference and then if you provide a lot of value that’s how you

provide a lot of value that’s how you

provide a lot of value that’s how you make money money comes from providing

make money money comes from providing

make money money comes from providing value you wouldn’t provide you want to

value you wouldn’t provide you want to

value you wouldn’t provide you want to make a lot of money you got provided a

make a lot of money you got provided a

make a lot of money you got provided a lot of Audi right you want to make a lot

lot of Audi right you want to make a lot

lot of Audi right you want to make a lot of money quickly provide a lot of value

of money quickly provide a lot of value

of money quickly provide a lot of value quickly and then the question becomes

quickly and then the question becomes

quickly and then the question becomes okay that’s how do i make money how do i

okay that’s how do i make money how do i

okay that’s how do i make money how do i get to the point where i’m providing a

get to the point where i’m providing a

get to the point where i’m providing a lot of value and you very rarely find

lot of value and you very rarely find

lot of value and you very rarely find somebody who can provide immense over

somebody who can provide immense over

somebody who can provide immense over the top value who doesn’t actually love

the top value who doesn’t actually love

the top value who doesn’t actually love what they’re doing and so you know you

what they’re doing and so you know you

what they’re doing and so you know you can get to a certain point in life just

can get to a certain point in life just

can get to a certain point in life just five following the same path and you’ll

five following the same path and you’ll

five following the same path and you’ll make money and that’s that’s ninety

make money and that’s that’s ninety

make money and that’s that’s ninety percent of you know America you know

percent of you know America you know

percent of you know America you know they’re living for the evenings and

they’re living for the evenings and

they’re living for the evenings and weekends and they hate their jobs but it

weekends and they hate their jobs but it

weekends and they hate their jobs but it supports their lifestyle but you’ll

supports their lifestyle but you’ll

supports their lifestyle but you’ll never you’ll never get up here you’ll

never you’ll never get up here you’ll

never you’ll never get up here you’ll never have a huge impact if you’re not

never have a huge impact if you’re not

never have a huge impact if you’re not doing something that you absolutely love

doing something that you absolutely love

doing something that you absolutely love so what advice could you give to someone

so what advice could you give to someone

so what advice could you give to someone who is a new to entrepreneurship and

who is a new to entrepreneurship and

who is a new to entrepreneurship and they are not quite sure what their

they are not quite sure what their

they are not quite sure what their passion is yet

passion is yet

passion is yet or what that thing is that they should

or what that thing is that they should

or what that thing is that they should yeah um explore it’s super common like a

yeah um explore it’s super common like a

yeah um explore it’s super common like a lot of people don’t know what their

lot of people don’t know what their

lot of people don’t know what their passion is we’re never taught find your

passion is we’re never taught find your

passion is we’re never taught find your passion right where do you go to school

passion right where do you go to school

passion right where do you go to school for this I don’t know why we’re not

for this I don’t know why we’re not

for this I don’t know why we’re not taught this in school right probably the

taught this in school right probably the

taught this in school right probably the most important thing you’ll ever need in

most important thing you’ll ever need in

most important thing you’ll ever need in your life is not is not being taught and

your life is not is not being taught and

your life is not is not being taught and there’s some some people have families

there’s some some people have families

there’s some some people have families who are lucky enough where their parents

who are lucky enough where their parents

who are lucky enough where their parents might teach them but for the most part

might teach them but for the most part

might teach them but for the most part people have no idea and so the the best

people have no idea and so the the best

people have no idea and so the the best advice I can give is to explore and try

advice I can give is to explore and try

advice I can give is to explore and try things and say yes the things and see

things and say yes the things and see

things and say yes the things and see what you fall in love with and that

what you fall in love with and that

what you fall in love with and that often leads to business opportunities so

often leads to business opportunities so

often leads to business opportunities so a give you an example um I got invited

a give you an example um I got invited

a give you an example um I got invited to go rock climbing I what I said yes

to go rock climbing I what I said yes

to go rock climbing I what I said yes let’s do it I hated it things like the

let’s do it I hated it things like the

let’s do it I hated it things like the harness is in my crotch and I’m afraid

harness is in my crotch and I’m afraid

harness is in my crotch and I’m afraid of height saying just like no I’m back

of height saying just like no I’m back

of height saying just like no I’m back um so you will not get me rock climbing

um so you will not get me rock climbing

um so you will not get me rock climbing again but I said yes to try because you

again but I said yes to try because you

again but I said yes to try because you never know um I went snowboarding and I

never know um I went snowboarding and I

never know um I went snowboarding and I got I became obsessed with snowboarding

got I became obsessed with snowboarding

got I became obsessed with snowboarding for for like two years it was obsessed

for for like two years it was obsessed

for for like two years it was obsessed where I would go every day I would push

where I would go every day I would push

where I would go every day I would push off meetings to go snowboarding I China

off meetings to go snowboarding I China

off meetings to go snowboarding I China 45 minutes I can hit the hill and come

45 minutes I can hit the hill and come

45 minutes I can hit the hill and come back I was just I was obsessed and then

back I was just I was obsessed and then

back I was just I was obsessed and then my passion started to fall off well now

my passion started to fall off well now

my passion started to fall off well now go a couple times a year in the winter

go a couple times a year in the winter

go a couple times a year in the winter and it’s fine but it’s not like the

and it’s fine but it’s not like the

and it’s fine but it’s not like the obsession anymore and then there’s salsa

obsession anymore and then there’s salsa

obsession anymore and then there’s salsa dancing where I said yes it’s also

dancing where I said yes it’s also

dancing where I said yes it’s also dancing and and I fell in love with it

dancing and and I fell in love with it

dancing and and I fell in love with it and it’s been I don’t know 12 years now

and it’s been I don’t know 12 years now

and it’s been I don’t know 12 years now and i’m still super passionate about it

and i’m still super passionate about it

and i’m still super passionate about it i’ve invested in a salsa dancing school

i’ve invested in a salsa dancing school

i’ve invested in a salsa dancing school I met my wife through salsa dancing just

I met my wife through salsa dancing just

I met my wife through salsa dancing just become part of my life and my business

become part of my life and my business

become part of my life and my business and if you look at it on paper this is

and if you look at it on paper this is

and if you look at it on paper this is what most people do like they look at it

what most people do like they look at it

what most people do like they look at it on paper right like how does my how do

on paper right like how does my how do

on paper right like how does my how do my skills match up with where I could

my skills match up with where I could

my skills match up with where I could make money and you like do this little

make money and you like do this little

make money and you like do this little analytical chart um it almost never

analytical chart um it almost never

analytical chart um it almost never works out like that you know i went to a

works out like that you know i went to a

works out like that you know i went to a salsa class i said yes i fell in love

salsa class i said yes i fell in love

salsa class i said yes i fell in love with it on paper i’m not a great

with it on paper i’m not a great

with it on paper i’m not a great candidate for salsa you know like I’m 62

candidate for salsa you know like I’m 62

candidate for salsa you know like I’m 62 63 I’m too tall to take big steps I

63 I’m too tall to take big steps I

63 I’m too tall to take big steps I don’t speak Spanish I never heard the

don’t speak Spanish I never heard the

don’t speak Spanish I never heard the music

music

music before you know I’m learning as an adult

before you know I’m learning as an adult

before you know I’m learning as an adult there’s so many reasons why i would

there’s so many reasons why i would

there’s so many reasons why i would never be great at salsa that if i just

never be great at salsa that if i just

never be great at salsa that if i just look at on paper they forget it but it

look at on paper they forget it but it

look at on paper they forget it but it doesn’t factory in the heart because i

doesn’t factory in the heart because i

doesn’t factory in the heart because i went and i loved it and i fell in love

went and i loved it and i fell in love

went and i loved it and i fell in love with it and and then even then I didn’t

with it and and then even then I didn’t

with it and and then even then I didn’t know what’s going to be a business for

know what’s going to be a business for

know what’s going to be a business for me but um just by trying and continue to

me but um just by trying and continue to

me but um just by trying and continue to follow the things that i love i

follow the things that i love i

follow the things that i love i discovered that as an opportunity to

discovered that as an opportunity to

discovered that as an opportunity to then have a business I’m an investor in

then have a business I’m an investor in

then have a business I’m an investor in the largest salsa dance school in North

the largest salsa dance school in North

the largest salsa dance school in North America and so if you don’t know what

America and so if you don’t know what

America and so if you don’t know what your passion is explore try stuff say

your passion is explore try stuff say

your passion is explore try stuff say yes and see what you fall in love with

yes and see what you fall in love with

yes and see what you fall in love with and if you don’t like it you know like

and if you don’t like it you know like

and if you don’t like it you know like my rock climbing then dump it move on to

my rock climbing then dump it move on to

my rock climbing then dump it move on to something else and you may find

something else and you may find

something else and you may find something you like for a little bit like

something you like for a little bit like

something you like for a little bit like my snowboarding and then that doesn’t

my snowboarding and then that doesn’t

my snowboarding and then that doesn’t you know that’s not where you’re meant

you know that’s not where you’re meant

you know that’s not where you’re meant to be so fine dumping go find something

to be so fine dumping go find something

to be so fine dumping go find something else until you find the most people

else until you find the most people

else until you find the most people settle stop settling like if you if you

settle stop settling like if you if you

settle stop settling like if you if you wake up every day and you’re not excited

wake up every day and you’re not excited

wake up every day and you’re not excited and then lesson you gonna get excited

and then lesson you gonna get excited

and then lesson you gonna get excited every single day that’s not realistic

every single day that’s not realistic

every single day that’s not realistic but if you’re waking up and Hayden your

but if you’re waking up and Hayden your

but if you’re waking up and Hayden your life you know something is wrong you got

life you know something is wrong you got

life you know something is wrong you got it you got to fix something you got to

it you got to fix something you got to

it you got to fix something you got to find something to get you excited again

find something to get you excited again

find something to get you excited again and and just keep following that

and and just keep following that

and and just keep following that excitement to the leads you to a path

excitement to the leads you to a path

excitement to the leads you to a path that you can turn it into a business or

that you can turn it into a business or

that you can turn it into a business or you know this is it applies to every

you know this is it applies to every

you know this is it applies to every area of your life I think that advice is

area of your life I think that advice is

area of your life I think that advice is so right on because so many times I see

so right on because so many times I see

so right on because so many times I see people getting paralyzed because they’re

people getting paralyzed because they’re

people getting paralyzed because they’re just looking for the one perfect thing

just looking for the one perfect thing

just looking for the one perfect thing but you don’t know if something’s going

but you don’t know if something’s going

but you don’t know if something’s going to be right for you or not till you try

to be right for you or not till you try

to be right for you or not till you try it and sometimes you have to try lots of

it and sometimes you have to try lots of

it and sometimes you have to try lots of different things before we find that

different things before we find that

different things before we find that thing that’s right but you can always

thing that’s right but you can always

thing that’s right but you can always change your mind yeah and I would

change your mind yeah and I would

change your mind yeah and I would encourage people to do a lot of small

encourage people to do a lot of small

encourage people to do a lot of small starts yeah um a lot of people they have

starts yeah um a lot of people they have

starts yeah um a lot of people they have this dream like here onion I want to do

this dream like here onion I want to do

this dream like here onion I want to do this and they shelve it because it costs

this and they shelve it because it costs

this and they shelve it because it costs too much money or it’ll take too much

too much money or it’ll take too much

too much money or it’ll take too much time they don’t the resources in with

time they don’t the resources in with

time they don’t the resources in with education of the training all of these

education of the training all of these

education of the training all of these you know hurdles they put in front of

you know hurdles they put in front of

you know hurdles they put in front of them or then maybe they go all in on it

them or then maybe they go all in on it

them or then maybe they go all in on it because they now is my time I’m going to

because they now is my time I’m going to

because they now is my time I’m going to try it but it wasn’t the right

try it but it wasn’t the right

try it but it wasn’t the right opportunity for them don’t make it this

opportunity for them don’t make it this

opportunity for them don’t make it this big step start here start tiny start

big step start here start tiny start

big step start here start tiny start small um

small um

small um samples mean making my youtube channel

samples mean making my youtube channel

samples mean making my youtube channel now right we have almost 100,000

now right we have almost 100,000

now right we have almost 100,000 subscribers who hit that there any of

subscribers who hit that there any of

subscribers who hit that there any of the month over 10 million views but in a

the month over 10 million views but in a

the month over 10 million views but in a month I when I started it it was you

month I when I started it it was you

month I when I started it it was you know I could have gone out and said okay

know I could have gone out and said okay

know I could have gone out and said okay well I need the gear I need to have a

well I need the gear I need to have a

well I need the gear I need to have a camera I need to have a tripod and the

camera I need to have a tripod and the

camera I need to have a tripod and the lighting I need to have the background

lighting I need to have the background

lighting I need to have the background and just add up all these costs I could

and just add up all these costs I could

and just add up all these costs I could have done one episode and feel like yeah

have done one episode and feel like yeah

have done one episode and feel like yeah you know what I don’t want to do this

you know what I don’t want to do this

you know what I don’t want to do this and that’s what a lot of people do they

and that’s what a lot of people do they

and that’s what a lot of people do they I’m going to start a t-shirt business

I’m going to start a t-shirt business

I’m going to start a t-shirt business and they order 5,000 t-shirts with with

and they order 5,000 t-shirts with with

and they order 5,000 t-shirts with with their new design that’s going to be the

their new design that’s going to be the

their new design that’s going to be the next big thing and it doesn’t sell and

next big thing and it doesn’t sell and

next big thing and it doesn’t sell and then they lose their passion they have

then they lose their passion they have

then they lose their passion they have 5,000 t-shirts sitting in the garage

5,000 t-shirts sitting in the garage

5,000 t-shirts sitting in the garage what do you want to do is instead of

what do you want to do is instead of

what do you want to do is instead of like going all-in or making it this big

like going all-in or making it this big

like going all-in or making it this big step that you’re too afraid to go and

step that you’re too afraid to go and

step that you’re too afraid to go and take find like the smallest simplest

take find like the smallest simplest

take find like the smallest simplest thing that you can do to get started now

thing that you can do to get started now

thing that you can do to get started now as a test don’t put so much pressure on

as a test don’t put so much pressure on

as a test don’t put so much pressure on yourself to make it be the next huge

yourself to make it be the next huge

yourself to make it be the next huge thing just explore and then if you like

thing just explore and then if you like

thing just explore and then if you like that take one more step one more step

that take one more step one more step

that take one more step one more step and then all of a sudden like to realize

and then all of a sudden like to realize

and then all of a sudden like to realize that you’ve taken a huge step forward by

that you’ve taken a huge step forward by

that you’ve taken a huge step forward by taking tons of little steps yeah I think

taking tons of little steps yeah I think

taking tons of little steps yeah I think your YouTube channel is a great example

your YouTube channel is a great example

your YouTube channel is a great example cuz didn’t you start that because you

cuz didn’t you start that because you

cuz didn’t you start that because you were not very good at speaking in front

were not very good at speaking in front

were not very good at speaking in front of people or speaking I can’t remember I

of people or speaking I can’t remember I

of people or speaking I can’t remember I saw a story like a video that you made

saw a story like a video that you made

saw a story like a video that you made about why you started the channel

about why you started the channel

about why you started the channel originally yeah so if you go way back on

originally yeah so if you go way back on

originally yeah so if you go way back on the channel um it’s it’s all famous

the channel um it’s it’s all famous

the channel um it’s it’s all famous entrepreneur stories because my mantra

entrepreneur stories because my mantra

entrepreneur stories because my mantra became after I learned from bill gates

became after I learned from bill gates

became after I learned from bill gates and that helped my business it became I

and that helped my business it became I

and that helped my business it became I want to help I want to study other

want to help I want to study other

want to help I want to study other successful entrepreneurs and then share

successful entrepreneurs and then share

successful entrepreneurs and then share that with people who haven’t done the

that with people who haven’t done the

that with people who haven’t done the research and I’m a visual learner so I

research and I’m a visual learner so I

research and I’m a visual learner so I found like be better for me to make

found like be better for me to make

found like be better for me to make videos then just to read about a story

videos then just to read about a story

videos then just to read about a story and for a while I did it all myself and

and for a while I did it all myself and

and for a while I did it all myself and and I you know I wasn’t very good I

and I you know I wasn’t very good I

and I you know I wasn’t very good I sucked at the start I mean I almost want

sucked at the start I mean I almost want

sucked at the start I mean I almost want to remove those videos at the start

to remove those videos at the start

to remove those videos at the start they’re still there you can go back

they’re still there you can go back

they’re still there you can go back these still good views and comments and

these still good views and comments and

these still good views and comments and people like them and I think you’re

people like them and I think you’re

people like them and I think you’re always going to be you’re your own worst

always going to be you’re your own worst

always going to be you’re your own worst critic and you look at your own work and

critic and you look at your own work and

critic and you look at your own work and say man I could have done this better so

say man I could have done this better so

say man I could have done this better so many different ways um even look at my

many different ways um even look at my

many different ways um even look at my channel now look at look at what I’m

channel now look at look at what I’m

channel now look at look at what I’m doing now six months ago right like I

doing now six months ago right like I

doing now six months ago right like I started my channel maybe six years ago

started my channel maybe six years ago

started my channel maybe six years ago but you

but you

but you just look at how we’ve grown in the past

just look at how we’ve grown in the past

just look at how we’ve grown in the past six months and you’ll notice a quality

six months and you’ll notice a quality

six months and you’ll notice a quality difference because I’m putting in work

difference because I’m putting in work

difference because I’m putting in work time effort right I’ve recorded 2,500

time effort right I’ve recorded 2,500

time effort right I’ve recorded 2,500 videos because I love it and so you get

videos because I love it and so you get

videos because I love it and so you get better each time that you do it but the

better each time that you do it but the

better each time that you do it but the start was just I want to share this I’m

start was just I want to share this I’m

start was just I want to share this I’m a visual learner i want to put these

a visual learner i want to put these

a visual learner i want to put these stories up and i’ll see if i like it and

stories up and i’ll see if i like it and

stories up and i’ll see if i like it and I did and then I kept doing it and along

I did and then I kept doing it and along

I did and then I kept doing it and along the way like there were hundreds of

the way like there were hundreds of

the way like there were hundreds of other things that I tried that didn’t go

other things that I tried that didn’t go

other things that I tried that didn’t go anywhere because it wasn’t for me yeah

anywhere because it wasn’t for me yeah

anywhere because it wasn’t for me yeah it’s a great example of just starting

it’s a great example of just starting

it’s a great example of just starting small and then it builds and builds as

small and then it builds and builds as

small and then it builds and builds as you see that you you like it and you

you see that you you like it and you

you see that you you like it and you want to continue and the videos are

want to continue and the videos are

want to continue and the videos are wonderful i watch the videos all the

wonderful i watch the videos all the

wonderful i watch the videos all the sides cool well now you’re in one yeah

sides cool well now you’re in one yeah

sides cool well now you’re in one yeah all right well thank you so much for

all right well thank you so much for

all right well thank you so much for joining us for the show and you want to

joining us for the show and you want to

joining us for the show and you want to just tell the listeners where they can

just tell the listeners where they can

just tell the listeners where they can find you in line yeah um I’m you have a

find you in line yeah um I’m you have a

find you in line yeah um I’m you have a website Emma comical com or if you want

website Emma comical com or if you want

website Emma comical com or if you want to get the YouTube channel you could

to get the YouTube channel you could

to get the YouTube channel you could just type in Evan Carmichael in Google

just type in Evan Carmichael in Google

just type in Evan Carmichael in Google you’ll find a whole bunch of stuff all

you’ll find a whole bunch of stuff all

you’ll find a whole bunch of stuff all right it’s been great great thanks for

right it’s been great great thanks for

right it’s been great great thanks for having me alright so that’s it for luck

having me alright so that’s it for luck

having me alright so that’s it for luck we got a bunch of questions coming in to

we got a bunch of questions coming in to

we got a bunch of questions coming in to all right so I guess you could end it

all right so I guess you could end it

all right so I guess you could end it there or we can continue on for your

there or we can continue on for your

there or we can continue on for your podcast if you want um okay so red red

podcast if you want um okay so red red

podcast if you want um okay so red red key is asking I want to know how you

key is asking I want to know how you

key is asking I want to know how you hang the procrastination I want to get

hang the procrastination I want to get

hang the procrastination I want to get better in life your videos helped me a

better in life your videos helped me a

better in life your videos helped me a lot procrastination you have thoughts

don’t do it no I do have a thought

don’t do it no I do have a thought though and this is just about being kind

though and this is just about being kind

though and this is just about being kind to yourself because a lot of times we do

to yourself because a lot of times we do

to yourself because a lot of times we do have something that we do wrong and we

have something that we do wrong and we

have something that we do wrong and we beat ourselves up about it you get very

beat ourselves up about it you get very

beat ourselves up about it you get very quick self-critical and I’ve been

quick self-critical and I’ve been

quick self-critical and I’ve been reading a lot recently about self

reading a lot recently about self

reading a lot recently about self compassion and how self-compassion

compassion and how self-compassion

compassion and how self-compassion actually motivates you more than being

actually motivates you more than being

actually motivates you more than being critical of yourself and there’s

critical of yourself and there’s

critical of yourself and there’s actually a study done of students

actually a study done of students

actually a study done of students who I think it was done at the

who I think it was done at the

who I think it was done at the University of California Berkeley and a

University of California Berkeley and a

University of California Berkeley and a one group of students who have problems

one group of students who have problems

one group of students who have problems with procrastination were giving

with procrastination were giving

with procrastination were giving instructions to be compassionate with

instructions to be compassionate with

instructions to be compassionate with themselves when they found themselves

themselves when they found themselves

themselves when they found themselves can craft a navy and then another group

can craft a navy and then another group

can craft a navy and then another group was they weren’t given these

was they weren’t given these

was they weren’t given these instructions and what happened over the

instructions and what happened over the

instructions and what happened over the course of the semester is they found

course of the semester is they found

course of the semester is they found that the students that were taught

that the students that were taught

that the students that were taught self-compassion procrastinated less as a

self-compassion procrastinated less as a

self-compassion procrastinated less as a semester put on why the students who

semester put on why the students who

semester put on why the students who weren’t taught that actually

weren’t taught that actually

weren’t taught that actually progressively got worse with their

progressively got worse with their

progressively got worse with their procrastination as is faster than on

procrastination as is faster than on

procrastination as is faster than on cool i like it see I knew you had like a

cool i like it see I knew you had like a

cool i like it see I knew you had like a nice vibe you know the compassion of

nice vibe you know the compassion of

nice vibe you know the compassion of ivett school um yeah I love that

ivett school um yeah I love that

ivett school um yeah I love that actually I haven’t heard that before

actually I haven’t heard that before

actually I haven’t heard that before that’s a nice little curveball for me I

that’s a nice little curveball for me I

that’s a nice little curveball for me I like it um i would add to that to create

like it um i would add to that to create

like it um i would add to that to create an environment that supports you I find

an environment that supports you I find

an environment that supports you I find a lot of people a lot of people find it

a lot of people a lot of people find it

a lot of people a lot of people find it may be hard to be internally motivated

may be hard to be internally motivated

may be hard to be internally motivated and they need kind of like a external

and they need kind of like a external

and they need kind of like a external stimulus to help them get going um and

stimulus to help them get going um and

stimulus to help them get going um and that maybe like listening to your

that maybe like listening to your

that maybe like listening to your podcast but maybe that happens at six

podcast but maybe that happens at six

podcast but maybe that happens at six o’clock on a Friday evening and then

o’clock on a Friday evening and then

o’clock on a Friday evening and then it’s like oh wow that’s so great and

it’s like oh wow that’s so great and

it’s like oh wow that’s so great and you’re off like working like crazy and

you’re off like working like crazy and

you’re off like working like crazy and then you wake up and from scratch again

then you wake up and from scratch again

then you wake up and from scratch again least I found that was me you know i

least I found that was me you know i

least I found that was me you know i could get super excited because i watch

could get super excited because i watch

could get super excited because i watch a video or just got an idea and i’m off

a video or just got an idea and i’m off

a video or just got an idea and i’m off to the races and then the next day I

to the races and then the next day I

to the races and then the next day I wake up and it’s gone I feel like I’m

wake up and it’s gone I feel like I’m

wake up and it’s gone I feel like I’m starting over uh-uh and so I believe

starting over uh-uh and so I believe

starting over uh-uh and so I believe that people’s environments hold them

that people’s environments hold them

that people’s environments hold them where they are and if you want to have

where they are and if you want to have

where they are and if you want to have if you want to do something great you

if you want to do something great you

if you want to do something great you need to have an environment that

need to have an environment that

need to have an environment that supports greatness so you know there’s a

supports greatness so you know there’s a

supports greatness so you know there’s a reason why this is on the wall is the

reason why this is on the wall is the

reason why this is on the wall is the reason why i like this guy is here and i

reason why i like this guy is here and i

reason why i like this guy is here and i try to do things in the morning that set

try to do things in the morning that set

try to do things in the morning that set me up for success yeah i get to go like

me up for success yeah i get to go like

me up for success yeah i get to go like having that routine whether it’s

having that routine whether it’s

having that routine whether it’s watching videos whether it’s reading the

watching videos whether it’s reading the

watching videos whether it’s reading the blog whether it’s listen to podcast

blog whether it’s listen to podcast

blog whether it’s listen to podcast whether it’s whatever find out what

whether it’s whatever find out what

whether it’s whatever find out what makes you tick and gets you going gets

makes you tick and gets you going gets

makes you tick and gets you going gets your juices flowing and then schedule

your juices flowing and then schedule

your juices flowing and then schedule that every day in the morning to start

that every day in the morning to start

that every day in the morning to start you off

you off

you off well instead of just randomly having it

well instead of just randomly having it

well instead of just randomly having it happen to you and then you’re on fire

happen to you and then you’re on fire

happen to you and then you’re on fire one day um and it you know it doesn’t

one day um and it you know it doesn’t

one day um and it you know it doesn’t work one hundred percent of the time but

work one hundred percent of the time but

work one hundred percent of the time but I found that for me really helped set up

I found that for me really helped set up

I found that for me really helped set up my days much more for success um just

my days much more for success um just

my days much more for success um just one more thing yeah also this is

one more thing yeah also this is

one more thing yeah also this is something that I do sometimes I actually

something that I do sometimes I actually

something that I do sometimes I actually don’t do it all the time but I didn’t do

don’t do it all the time but I didn’t do

don’t do it all the time but I didn’t do do it sometimes to remind myself is I

do it sometimes to remind myself is I

do it sometimes to remind myself is I will create a little event at the

will create a little event at the

will create a little event at the beginning of the day my google calendar

beginning of the day my google calendar

beginning of the day my google calendar i’ll just write a reminder to myself why

i’ll just write a reminder to myself why

i’ll just write a reminder to myself why I’m doing what I do and then that could

I’m doing what I do and then that could

I’m doing what I do and then that could email to me when I get email my schedule

email to me when I get email my schedule

email to me when I get email my schedule because that’s there and then I so I

because that’s there and then I so I

because that’s there and then I so I received that email and it’s a reminder

received that email and it’s a reminder

received that email and it’s a reminder to me of why I’m doing all the work I do

to me of why I’m doing all the work I do

to me of why I’m doing all the work I do cool yeah I love it remember your why um

cool yeah I love it remember your why um

cool yeah I love it remember your why um Elias hey Evan did you get my men’s long

Elias hey Evan did you get my men’s long

Elias hey Evan did you get my men’s long message no we did not Elias maybe you

message no we did not Elias maybe you

message no we did not Elias maybe you can shrink it down and send uh Vivek is

can shrink it down and send uh Vivek is

can shrink it down and send uh Vivek is writing in I want this I want to be a

writing in I want this I want to be a

writing in I want this I want to be a speaker I just want he’s 22 years old

speaker I just want he’s 22 years old

speaker I just want he’s 22 years old doesn’t want to have get a job once we

doesn’t want to have get a job once we

doesn’t want to have get a job once we hope book speaking he has an idea but

hope book speaking he has an idea but

hope book speaking he has an idea but he’s scared to go ahead what do you

he’s scared to go ahead what do you

he’s scared to go ahead what do you think have you heard of Toastmasters

think have you heard of Toastmasters

think have you heard of Toastmasters International mm-hmm because I used to

International mm-hmm because I used to

International mm-hmm because I used to be incredibly shy and terrified to speak

be incredibly shy and terrified to speak

be incredibly shy and terrified to speak to anyone I joined Toastmasters

to anyone I joined Toastmasters

to anyone I joined Toastmasters International and that really helped me

International and that really helped me

International and that really helped me be able to do something like this like I

be able to do something like this like I

be able to do something like this like I would not have been able to do this

would not have been able to do this

would not have been able to do this podcast a year ago because I was so shy

podcast a year ago because I was so shy

podcast a year ago because I was so shy and afraid of talking in front of people

and afraid of talking in front of people

and afraid of talking in front of people are talking to people and when i started

are talking to people and when i started

are talking to people and when i started Toastmasters but the first time I got

Toastmasters but the first time I got

Toastmasters but the first time I got called to the front and do a speech I

called to the front and do a speech I

called to the front and do a speech I just did their silent and terrified but

just did their silent and terrified but

just did their silent and terrified but then having that practice doing it every

then having that practice doing it every

then having that practice doing it every week really helped me develop the

week really helped me develop the

week really helped me develop the ability to speak in front of people and

ability to speak in front of people and

ability to speak in front of people and to be able to do that and then once you

to be able to do that and then once you

to be able to do that and then once you get that ability to try to speak and be

get that ability to try to speak and be

get that ability to try to speak and be able to speak in front of people you can

able to speak in front of people you can

able to speak in front of people you can look for more opportunities in your

look for more opportunities in your

look for more opportunities in your local area there are opportunities all

local area there are opportunities all

local area there are opportunities all around there are lake chamber of

around there are lake chamber of

around there are lake chamber of commerce and different association

commerce and different association

commerce and different association and things that will let you come speak

and things that will let you come speak

and things that will let you come speak to them most of the time that won’t be

to them most of the time that won’t be

to them most of the time that won’t be pay but it will be good practice for

pay but it will be good practice for

pay but it will be good practice for getting up in front of people and

getting up in front of people and

getting up in front of people and getting that experience yeah I love it I

getting that experience yeah I love it I

getting that experience yeah I love it I honestly the more practice you can get

honestly the more practice you can get

honestly the more practice you can get the butter going to place like

the butter going to place like

the butter going to place like Toastmasters where you can model success

Toastmasters where you can model success

Toastmasters where you can model success right learn from people who are better

right learn from people who are better

right learn from people who are better than you you know accelerate your

than you you know accelerate your

than you you know accelerate your learning I’d also suggest starting a

learning I’d also suggest starting a

learning I’d also suggest starting a YouTube channel in practice speaking i

YouTube channel in practice speaking i

YouTube channel in practice speaking i remember in mic so you know in my first

remember in mic so you know in my first

remember in mic so you know in my first videos i used to have to have I had a

videos i used to have to have I had a

videos i used to have to have I had a DSLR camera that did not out of focus so

DSLR camera that did not out of focus so

DSLR camera that did not out of focus so used to have to have somebody on my team

used to have to have somebody on my team

used to have to have somebody on my team or my sister come in and focus me leave

or my sister come in and focus me leave

or my sister come in and focus me leave the room because I was too nervous to do

the room because I was too nervous to do

the room because I was too nervous to do it in front of them and then and then I

it in front of them and then and then I

it in front of them and then and then I could start recording in and do my thing

could start recording in and do my thing

could start recording in and do my thing um because I was just too afraid too

um because I was just too afraid too

um because I was just too afraid too nervous too scared uh and then it built

nervous too scared uh and then it built

nervous too scared uh and then it built up to the point our like whatever I

up to the point our like whatever I

up to the point our like whatever I don’t care who’s here doesn’t matter

don’t care who’s here doesn’t matter

don’t care who’s here doesn’t matter right you know loveland wanted to do a

right you know loveland wanted to do a

right you know loveland wanted to do a skype interview so let’s do a video um

skype interview so let’s do a video um

skype interview so let’s do a video um so with honestly that scared me oh my

so with honestly that scared me oh my

so with honestly that scared me oh my goodness people are going to see what I

goodness people are going to see what I

goodness people are going to see what I look like this is going to be horrible

look like this is going to be horrible

look like this is going to be horrible what am I going to do but then it’s by

what am I going to do but then it’s by

what am I going to do but then it’s by just pushing yourself forward into that

just pushing yourself forward into that

just pushing yourself forward into that thing that makes you uncomfortable like

thing that makes you uncomfortable like

thing that makes you uncomfortable like on the other side there could be

on the other side there could be

on the other side there could be something that is your passion or that

something that is your passion or that

something that is your passion or that will help you move forward into what

will help you move forward into what

will help you move forward into what your potential is so it’s great that who

your potential is so it’s great that who

your potential is so it’s great that who is the person who asked the question

is the person who asked the question

is the person who asked the question emma lemac yeah it was great that um to

emma lemac yeah it was great that um to

emma lemac yeah it was great that um to uh it’s great that this was it wanted to

uh it’s great that this was it wanted to

uh it’s great that this was it wanted to wants to go forward this public speaking

wants to go forward this public speaking

wants to go forward this public speaking even though there’s some kind of fear

even though there’s some kind of fear

even though there’s some kind of fear there because moving forward into that

there because moving forward into that

there because moving forward into that fear will help you progress yeah and i

fear will help you progress yeah and i

fear will help you progress yeah and i love that point you know fear is normal

love that point you know fear is normal

love that point you know fear is normal a lot of people try to avoid fear you’re

a lot of people try to avoid fear you’re

a lot of people try to avoid fear you’re never going to avoid fear uh it’s

never going to avoid fear uh it’s

never going to avoid fear uh it’s feeling the fear and doing it any anyway

feeling the fear and doing it any anyway

feeling the fear and doing it any anyway going forward with it and I think just

going forward with it and I think just

going forward with it and I think just breaking it down the smaller chunks ah

make a youtube video is an easy way to

make a youtube video is an easy way to get started and it builds the muscle it

get started and it builds the muscle it

get started and it builds the muscle it builds the muscle builds muscles get

builds the muscle builds muscles get

builds the muscle builds muscles get stronger you get better um I’m gonna

stronger you get better um I’m gonna

stronger you get better um I’m gonna give a random I don’t know why I’m just

give a random I don’t know why I’m just

give a random I don’t know why I’m just gonna give a random gaming analogy and

gonna give a random gaming analogy and

gonna give a random gaming analogy and this is part of another thing like what

this is part of another thing like what

this is part of another thing like what comes into your head say it like express

comes into your head say it like express

comes into your head say it like express it for because it’s probably gonna lead

it for because it’s probably gonna lead

it for because it’s probably gonna lead somewhere I play league of legends it’s

somewhere I play league of legends it’s

somewhere I play league of legends it’s a video game I don’t know if you’ve

a video game I don’t know if you’ve

a video game I don’t know if you’ve heard of it or play it and it’s a it’s a

heard of it or play it and it’s a it’s a

heard of it or play it and it’s a it’s a game where you have five people on your

game where you have five people on your

game where you have five people on your team so you and four people and then

team so you and four people and then

team so you and four people and then five people on the other team and when I

five people on the other team and when I

five people on the other team and when I started playing it it was always against

started playing it it was always against

started playing it it was always against robots so you’re with four people

robots so you’re with four people

robots so you’re with four people against robot players and I have a

against robot players and I have a

against robot players and I have a personal fear of letting people down I

personal fear of letting people down I

personal fear of letting people down I hate letting people down it’s why it’s a

hate letting people down it’s why it’s a

hate letting people down it’s why it’s a weakness and a strength it’s why over

weakness and a strength it’s why over

weakness and a strength it’s why over delivered you know I’ll do way more than

delivered you know I’ll do way more than

delivered you know I’ll do way more than it’s expected because I don’t want to

it’s expected because I don’t want to

it’s expected because I don’t want to let somebody down it’s why I’m never

let somebody down it’s why I’m never

let somebody down it’s why I’m never late for meetings or anything else

late for meetings or anything else

late for meetings or anything else because I I don’t want anybody to be let

because I I don’t want anybody to be let

because I I don’t want anybody to be let down I don’t know where that comes from

down I don’t know where that comes from

down I don’t know where that comes from but um anyway so I always played this

but um anyway so I always played this

but um anyway so I always played this game me and for people and that’s

game me and for people and that’s

game me and for people and that’s already like scary enough because I

already like scary enough because I

already like scary enough because I don’t want to let my team down right I

don’t want to let my team down right I

don’t want to let my team down right I don’t want to do something in the game

don’t want to do something in the game

don’t want to do something in the game that we lose because it’s on me um one

that we lose because it’s on me um one

that we lose because it’s on me um one of the players asked me to be his friend

of the players asked me to be his friend

of the players asked me to be his friend and then invites me to another game like

and then invites me to another game like

and then invites me to another game like yeah yeah sure why not this blitz play

yeah yeah sure why not this blitz play

yeah yeah sure why not this blitz play and I noticed that there’s 10 people

and I noticed that there’s 10 people

and I noticed that there’s 10 people queuing up instead of five gonna be

queuing up instead of five gonna be

queuing up instead of five gonna be going against people not against robots

going against people not against robots

going against people not against robots and and it just freaked me out the first

and and it just freaked me out the first

and and it just freaked me out the first time um like oh my god I’m not ready for

time um like oh my god I’m not ready for

time um like oh my god I’m not ready for this whatever let my team down holy cow

this whatever let my team down holy cow

this whatever let my team down holy cow I was like having a panic attack when we

I was like having a panic attack when we

I was like having a panic attack when we were getting into the game and then it

were getting into the game and then it

were getting into the game and then it was like it was okay it was fine it was

was like it was okay it was fine it was

was like it was okay it was fine it was it worked and now like I never play

it worked and now like I never play

it worked and now like I never play against robots Harris played with people

against robots Harris played with people

against robots Harris played with people and so like that scariness help stretch

and so like that scariness help stretch

and so like that scariness help stretch your comfort zone so that you can do it

your comfort zone so that you can do it

your comfort zone so that you can do it more and do greater and bigger things

more and do greater and bigger things

more and do greater and bigger things you know I often secretly have a little

you know I often secretly have a little

you know I often secretly have a little thing inside my head that like witches

thing inside my head that like witches

thing inside my head that like witches people would cancel on me before

people would cancel on me before

people would cancel on me before something big that scares me I remember

something big that scares me I remember

something big that scares me I remember both speaking in Brunei and they can you

both speaking in Brunei and they can you

both speaking in Brunei and they can you come

come

come speaking for nine was like a couple

speaking for nine was like a couple

speaking for nine was like a couple months away yeah I no problem sure no

months away yeah I no problem sure no

months away yeah I no problem sure no problem and then we’re getting close to

problem and then we’re getting close to

problem and then we’re getting close to there oh my god i go to speaking Brunei

there oh my god i go to speaking Brunei

there oh my god i go to speaking Brunei and a good national television and like

and a good national television and like

and a good national television and like the royal family is gonna be there and

the royal family is gonna be there and

the royal family is gonna be there and I’ll starting to freak out and kind of

I’ll starting to freak out and kind of

I’ll starting to freak out and kind of secretly wished they would call me and

secretly wished they would call me and

secretly wished they would call me and say Evan you know what we can’t sit the

say Evan you know what we can’t sit the

say Evan you know what we can’t sit the event like oh great perfect no problem

event like oh great perfect no problem

event like oh great perfect no problem awesome um because I’m you know I have a

awesome um because I’m you know I have a

awesome um because I’m you know I have a fear of letting people down in the

fear of letting people down in the

fear of letting people down in the audience like what if I’m not good

audience like what if I’m not good

audience like what if I’m not good enough you know like they paid me to go

enough you know like they paid me to go

enough you know like they paid me to go there I want to make sure it’s crazy

there I want to make sure it’s crazy

there I want to make sure it’s crazy value um I know it went it went really

value um I know it went it went really

value um I know it went it went really well obviously or maybe not but I went

well obviously or maybe not but I went

well obviously or maybe not but I went and went very well and that that lets me

and went very well and that that lets me

and went very well and that that lets me now do bigger things like I could do

now do bigger things like I could do

now do bigger things like I could do that again no problem right I’m not

that again no problem right I’m not

that again no problem right I’m not afraid of that anymore and so that

afraid of that anymore and so that

afraid of that anymore and so that unless we do something big and big and

unless we do something big and big and

unless we do something big and big and bigger and so if you have a test that I

bigger and so if you have a test that I

bigger and so if you have a test that I try to give myself when i’m looking at

try to give myself when i’m looking at

try to give myself when i’m looking at something new and i’m i’m facing like

something new and i’m i’m facing like

something new and i’m i’m facing like internal demons is do I not want to do

internal demons is do I not want to do

internal demons is do I not want to do this because I’m afraid or do I not want

this because I’m afraid or do I not want

this because I’m afraid or do I not want to do this because it actually makes

to do this because it actually makes

to do this because it actually makes sense not to do this um and and will

sense not to do this um and and will

sense not to do this um and and will often like will cover that will will

often like will cover that will will

often like will cover that will will tell ourselves reasons why we shouldn’t

tell ourselves reasons why we shouldn’t

tell ourselves reasons why we shouldn’t do something and make it seem logical

do something and make it seem logical

do something and make it seem logical but the real reason is because we’re

but the real reason is because we’re

but the real reason is because we’re afraid that’s that’s some hard

afraid that’s that’s some hard

afraid that’s that’s some hard self-awareness not at least for me I

self-awareness not at least for me I

self-awareness not at least for me I think some people get it naturally but

think some people get it naturally but

think some people get it naturally but for me that was super super difficult I

for me that was super super difficult I

for me that was super super difficult I think it’s difficult for a lot of people

think it’s difficult for a lot of people

think it’s difficult for a lot of people and there’s most people their fear is

and there’s most people their fear is

and there’s most people their fear is around not being enough we’re afraid of

around not being enough we’re afraid of

around not being enough we’re afraid of not being enough or we’re afraid of

not being enough or we’re afraid of

not being enough or we’re afraid of losing love for the people around us if

losing love for the people around us if

losing love for the people around us if we go forward and do this thing and they

we go forward and do this thing and they

we go forward and do this thing and they find out that we’re not enough so it’s a

find out that we’re not enough so it’s a

find out that we’re not enough so it’s a really common fear and I think it’s good

really common fear and I think it’s good

really common fear and I think it’s good to always remember because a lot of

to always remember because a lot of

to always remember because a lot of times we think of things we struggle

times we think of things we struggle

times we think of things we struggle with are things that were afraid of

with are things that were afraid of

with are things that were afraid of separate us from everyone and that this

separate us from everyone and that this

separate us from everyone and that this is what’s wrong with me I’m afraid aura

is what’s wrong with me I’m afraid aura

is what’s wrong with me I’m afraid aura and this is terrible but a reality those

and this is terrible but a reality those

and this is terrible but a reality those are the things that connect you to

are the things that connect you to

are the things that connect you to everyone else because everybody has fear

everyone else because everybody has fear

everyone else because everybody has fear everyone has things that are struggling

everyone has things that are struggling

everyone has things that are struggling with it’s important to remember that

with it’s important to remember that

with it’s important to remember that even the people that you look up to and

even the people that you look up to and

even the people that you look up to and you might think have it all going on

you might think have it all going on

you might think have it all going on they have things that they’re struggling

they have things that they’re struggling

they have things that they’re struggling with two because for all you

with two because for all you

with two because for all you me and we all struggle yeah I think

me and we all struggle yeah I think

me and we all struggle yeah I think that’s that’s helped me too and looking

that’s that’s helped me too and looking

that’s that’s helped me too and looking at successful entrepreneurs and reading

at successful entrepreneurs and reading

at successful entrepreneurs and reading the early sore and realizing that they

the early sore and realizing that they

the early sore and realizing that they struggle and they didn’t have all the

struggle and they didn’t have all the

struggle and they didn’t have all the answers and how they almost gave up and

answers and how they almost gave up and

answers and how they almost gave up and quit made me feel like I’m just like I’m

quit made me feel like I’m just like I’m

quit made me feel like I’m just like I’m just like that guy I’m just like him um

just like that guy I’m just like him um

just like that guy I’m just like him um because I don’t think we tell those

because I don’t think we tell those

because I don’t think we tell those stories enough but we just we just see

stories enough but we just we just see

stories enough but we just we just see like the perfection we don’t measure up

like the perfection we don’t measure up

like the perfection we don’t measure up so we get we lose we lose confidence

so we get we lose we lose confidence

so we get we lose we lose confidence yeah um sedc 23 is wondering what good

yeah um sedc 23 is wondering what good

yeah um sedc 23 is wondering what good books we recommend reading hey I’m

books we recommend reading hey I’m

books we recommend reading hey I’m curious what your recommended book is um

curious what your recommended book is um

curious what your recommended book is um I read a lot of books there’s hard it’s

I read a lot of books there’s hard it’s

I read a lot of books there’s hard it’s hard for you to recommend one i recently

hard for you to recommend one i recently

hard for you to recommend one i recently read an interesting book called the

read an interesting book called the

read an interesting book called the books called the luck factor where is

books called the luck factor where is

books called the luck factor where is that should be somewhere I don’t see it

that should be somewhere I don’t see it

that should be somewhere I don’t see it but anyways cause a lot factor it was

but anyways cause a lot factor it was

but anyways cause a lot factor it was just about people who are unlucky and

just about people who are unlucky and

just about people who are unlucky and people are lucky and how they’re really

people are lucky and how they’re really

people are lucky and how they’re really different like how they just look at

different like how they just look at

different like how they just look at life differently and then how you can

life differently and then how you can

life differently and then how you can change so you can be lucky to and then

change so you can be lucky to and then

change so you can be lucky to and then also recently I read steal like an

also recently I read steal like an

also recently I read steal like an artist which is a good book and I read a

artist which is a good book and I read a

artist which is a good book and I read a lot of books it’s hard to say if you

lot of books it’s hard to say if you

lot of books it’s hard to say if you want to read a novel I’m an author and I

want to read a novel I’m an author and I

want to read a novel I’m an author and I have a novel class it’s my lessons cool

have a novel class it’s my lessons cool

have a novel class it’s my lessons cool um so for me I know if you’re on my

um so for me I know if you’re on my

um so for me I know if you’re on my newsletter or not but I give a list of

newsletter or not but I give a list of

newsletter or not but I give a list of all my books in the newsletter that I

all my books in the newsletter that I

all my books in the newsletter that I recommend my number one and two books

recommend my number one and two books

recommend my number one and two books one is super common one nobody knows

one is super common one nobody knows

one is super common one nobody knows about um my favorite book is the 4-hour

about um my favorite book is the 4-hour

about um my favorite book is the 4-hour workweek Tim Ferriss super practical

workweek Tim Ferriss super practical

workweek Tim Ferriss super practical talks a lot about time management in

talks a lot about time management in

talks a lot about time management in there running the business in there and

there running the business in there and

there running the business in there and that kind of my eyes up to delegating

that kind of my eyes up to delegating

that kind of my eyes up to delegating building the team at the time I was

building the team at the time I was

building the team at the time I was trying to do everything myself and that

trying to do everything myself and that

trying to do everything myself and that really kind of a huge impact on how I

really kind of a huge impact on how I

really kind of a huge impact on how I structure my day and my thoughts and

structure my day and my thoughts and

structure my day and my thoughts and building my business that’s a I mean

building my business that’s a I mean

building my business that’s a I mean it’s been new york times bestseller for

it’s been new york times bestseller for

it’s been new york times bestseller for I don’t know how many years in a row so

I don’t know how many years in a row so

I don’t know how many years in a row so you guys may have heard of that one

you guys may have heard of that one

you guys may have heard of that one before the

before the

before the one is out of print it’s called radicals

one is out of print it’s called radicals

one is out of print it’s called radicals and visionaries and this helps my my

and visionaries and this helps my my

and visionaries and this helps my my business it was put up by entrepreneur

business it was put up by entrepreneur

business it was put up by entrepreneur press I talked about it in a video

press I talked about it in a video

press I talked about it in a video before and then somebody commented and

before and then somebody commented and

before and then somebody commented and said we can’t find that video is out of

said we can’t find that video is out of

said we can’t find that video is out of print I started that book and somebody

print I started that book and somebody

print I started that book and somebody sell on ebay for one hundred fifty

sell on ebay for one hundred fifty

sell on ebay for one hundred fifty dollars or something okay I’m glad I

dollars or something okay I’m glad I

dollars or something okay I’m glad I have mine but on basically what it does

have mine but on basically what it does

have mine but on basically what it does is it looks at successful entrepreneurs

is it looks at successful entrepreneurs

is it looks at successful entrepreneurs and tells their story in like five pages

and tells their story in like five pages

and tells their story in like five pages and so I would start my day we talked a

and so I would start my day we talked a

and so I would start my day we talked a routine schedule environment that’s how

routine schedule environment that’s how

routine schedule environment that’s how I would start my day before when I was

I would start my day before when I was

I would start my day before when I was getting started was I would read a

getting started was I would read a

getting started was I would read a one-person story five pages quick kind

one-person story five pages quick kind

one-person story five pages quick kind of jolt get some motivation to go and as

of jolt get some motivation to go and as

of jolt get some motivation to go and as well as some ideas that may help your

well as some ideas that may help your

well as some ideas that may help your business so radicals and visionaries may

business so radicals and visionaries may

business so radicals and visionaries may be able to find it those are doing my

be able to find it those are doing my

be able to find it those are doing my two bucks a dread dog how do you manage

two bucks a dread dog how do you manage

two bucks a dread dog how do you manage your time when you have a full-time job

your time when you have a full-time job

your time when you have a full-time job and you’re a single parent that’s a good

and you’re a single parent that’s a good

and you’re a single parent that’s a good question I’m not very good at time

question I’m not very good at time

question I’m not very good at time management it so fast that with you

management it so fast that with you

management it so fast that with you honestly I’m not I’m not very good at it

honestly I’m not I’m not very good at it

honestly I’m not I’m not very good at it I’m cool dry dog okay I’ll take that one

I’m cool dry dog okay I’ll take that one

I’m cool dry dog okay I’ll take that one I have a lot I have a lot of weird

I have a lot I have a lot of weird

I have a lot I have a lot of weird things about time management I’m the one

things about time management I’m the one

things about time management I’m the one may be the easiest I’d guess is chunking

may be the easiest I’d guess is chunking

may be the easiest I’d guess is chunking similar tasks you put on similar in

similar tasks you put on similar in

similar tasks you put on similar in similar days I think people lose a lot

similar days I think people lose a lot

similar days I think people lose a lot of time from switching tasks like you’re

of time from switching tasks like you’re

of time from switching tasks like you’re working on something and then somebody

working on something and then somebody

working on something and then somebody calls you or email comes in and then to

calls you or email comes in and then to

calls you or email comes in and then to get back to what you’re doing before

get back to what you’re doing before

get back to what you’re doing before might take you half an hour to get back

might take you half an hour to get back

might take you half an hour to get back in that zone and so anything as a

in that zone and so anything as a

in that zone and so anything as a general rule anything that you do

general rule anything that you do

general rule anything that you do multiple times per day do once a day

multiple times per day do once a day

multiple times per day do once a day holdem times per week do once a week

holdem times per week do once a week

holdem times per week do once a week multi for a month once a month and so on

multi for a month once a month and so on

multi for a month once a month and so on um so as an example my week is scheduled

um so as an example my week is scheduled

um so as an example my week is scheduled so that mondays are my like work in the

so that mondays are my like work in the

so that mondays are my like work in the business day it’s my administer not

business day it’s my administer not

business day it’s my administer not monday don’t talk to me on monday don’t

monday don’t talk to me on monday don’t

monday don’t talk to me on monday don’t call me on Monday don’t email me on

call me on Monday don’t email me on

call me on Monday don’t email me on Monday you’re not getting a response

Monday you’re not getting a response

Monday you’re not getting a response like

like

like monday I’m just working i am hauling

monday I’m just working i am hauling

monday I’m just working i am hauling it’s just all just straight work and you

it’s just all just straight work and you

it’s just all just straight work and you know i don’t have to dress up i don’t

know i don’t have to dress up i don’t

know i don’t have to dress up i don’t have to shave you know whatever right

have to shave you know whatever right

have to shave you know whatever right like you’re just in that zone um tuesday

like you’re just in that zone um tuesday

like you’re just in that zone um tuesday i’m writing the book i’m writing a book

i’m writing the book i’m writing a book

i’m writing the book i’m writing a book too so that’s coming out and that’s my

too so that’s coming out and that’s my

too so that’s coming out and that’s my writing day and so tuesday you know

writing day and so tuesday you know

writing day and so tuesday you know Monday I’ve done all my stuff for the

Monday I’ve done all my stuff for the

Monday I’ve done all my stuff for the week I’ve planned it out so tuesday i’m

week I’ve planned it out so tuesday i’m

week I’ve planned it out so tuesday i’m writing so I walked to the local Whole

writing so I walked to the local Whole

writing so I walked to the local Whole Foods and I sit down pull up my macbook

Foods and I sit down pull up my macbook

Foods and I sit down pull up my macbook air and I’m just tapping away we’re in

air and I’m just tapping away we’re in

air and I’m just tapping away we’re in the book something like right in the

the book something like right in the

the book something like right in the book as you know like you could

book as you know like you could

book as you know like you could interrupted by writing the book to get

interrupted by writing the book to get

interrupted by writing the book to get back into it this ridiculous takes me an

back into it this ridiculous takes me an

back into it this ridiculous takes me an hour just to get into it from what I was

hour just to get into it from what I was

hour just to get into it from what I was doing last week maybe I’m maybe that’s

doing last week maybe I’m maybe that’s

doing last week maybe I’m maybe that’s my process and I’m slow and whatever but

my process and I’m slow and whatever but

my process and I’m slow and whatever but I need an entire day just to write uh

I need an entire day just to write uh

I need an entire day just to write uh wednesday i do film i video tape for my

wednesday i do film i video tape for my

wednesday i do film i video tape for my channel right will do aah now how many

channel right will do aah now how many

channel right will do aah now how many were doing doing like 20 videos a week

were doing doing like 20 videos a week

were doing doing like 20 videos a week on the youtube channel it’s in your boom

on the youtube channel it’s in your boom

on the youtube channel it’s in your boom yeah it’s insane most of those are our

yeah it’s insane most of those are our

yeah it’s insane most of those are our film on wednesday the camera guy comes

film on wednesday the camera guy comes

film on wednesday the camera guy comes over and we have every wednesday we sit

over and we have every wednesday we sit

over and we have every wednesday we sit and we record all the videos for the

and we record all the videos for the

and we record all the videos for the channel and then Thursday is my

channel and then Thursday is my

channel and then Thursday is my public-facing day Thursday is my let’s

public-facing day Thursday is my let’s

public-facing day Thursday is my let’s do a hangout today it’s Thursday right

do a hangout today it’s Thursday right

do a hangout today it’s Thursday right let’s do a hangout let’s go I have

let’s do a hangout let’s go I have

let’s do a hangout let’s go I have meetings I have phone calls I have other

meetings I have phone calls I have other

meetings I have phone calls I have other interviews you know Thursday is when it

interviews you know Thursday is when it

interviews you know Thursday is when it all happens and I give people like like

all happens and I give people like like

all happens and I give people like like loveland had a has a link to my schedule

loveland had a has a link to my schedule

loveland had a has a link to my schedule and she went and she booked the time

and she went and she booked the time

and she went and she booked the time that fit her schedule and it’s always on

that fit her schedule and it’s always on

that fit her schedule and it’s always on a Thursday and she big slots and here we

a Thursday and she big slots and here we

a Thursday and she big slots and here we aren’t doing our thing and so like every

aren’t doing our thing and so like every

aren’t doing our thing and so like every day I have sectioned off to do something

day I have sectioned off to do something

day I have sectioned off to do something else so that I’m not switching between

else so that I’m not switching between

else so that I’m not switching between tasks and I can stay focused I generally

tasks and I can stay focused I generally

tasks and I can stay focused I generally find working in 90 minute chunks really

find working in 90 minute chunks really

find working in 90 minute chunks really helpful so working 90-minute chunk and

helpful so working 90-minute chunk and

helpful so working 90-minute chunk and then 15 minute break in a 90-minute

then 15 minute break in a 90-minute

then 15 minute break in a 90-minute chunk and I mean the exception to all of

chunk and I mean the exception to all of

chunk and I mean the exception to all of that is when I’m when I’m in flow you

that is when I’m when I’m in flow you

that is when I’m when I’m in flow you know like if I’m really feeling

know like if I’m really feeling

know like if I’m really feeling something then then I might break it

something then then I might break it

something then then I might break it like if I’m

like if I’m

like if I’m by Tuesday morning wake up with an

by Tuesday morning wake up with an

by Tuesday morning wake up with an amazing idea I need to go work on it

amazing idea I need to go work on it

amazing idea I need to go work on it I’ll forget about the book and just go

I’ll forget about the book and just go

I’ll forget about the book and just go work on that or if i’m doing my 90

work on that or if i’m doing my 90

work on that or if i’m doing my 90 minute chunks i’m just really feeling

minute chunks i’m just really feeling

minute chunks i’m just really feeling something I’ll just I’ll plow through it

something I’ll just I’ll plow through it

something I’ll just I’ll plow through it because that’s when you’re going to

because that’s when you’re going to

because that’s when you’re going to create really that’s the goal you don’t

create really that’s the goal you don’t

create really that’s the goal you don’t want to limit and say well my 90 minutes

want to limit and say well my 90 minutes

want to limit and say well my 90 minutes are up so I’m gonna move on to something

are up so I’m gonna move on to something

are up so I’m gonna move on to something else um but dont trick yourself because

else um but dont trick yourself because

else um but dont trick yourself because you’re not in flow often raisio I’m

you’re not in flow often raisio I’m

you’re not in flow often raisio I’m really in flow answering these emails

really in flow answering these emails

really in flow answering these emails who this is amazing right um I have much

who this is amazing right um I have much

who this is amazing right um I have much of other weird ones like I don’t have a

of other weird ones like I don’t have a

of other weird ones like I don’t have a phone I don’t have a cell phone I have a

phone I don’t have a cell phone I have a

phone I don’t have a cell phone I have a regular phone I’m own is not now now

regular phone I’m own is not now now

regular phone I’m own is not now now it’s other people’s agenda for your time

it’s other people’s agenda for your time

it’s other people’s agenda for your time what a phone is um so sometimes people

what a phone is um so sometimes people

what a phone is um so sometimes people feel like I’m offending them like they

feel like I’m offending them like they

feel like I’m offending them like they say I wanted to a conference in New

say I wanted to a conference in New

say I wanted to a conference in New Orleans I was speaking at last week in

Orleans I was speaking at last week in

Orleans I was speaking at last week in the organizers like what’s your cell

the organizers like what’s your cell

the organizers like what’s your cell phone number so we can keep in touch it

phone number so we can keep in touch it

phone number so we can keep in touch it I don’t have a cell phone well how can

I don’t have a cell phone well how can

I don’t have a cell phone well how can we text you but you can’t text me not

we text you but you can’t text me not

we text you but you can’t text me not happening and she was a she fought like

happening and she was a she fought like

happening and she was a she fought like I was just like didn’t want to give it

I was just like didn’t want to give it

I was just like didn’t want to give it to her I know I was you know she’s like

to her I know I was you know she’s like

to her I know I was you know she’s like well don’t worry I won’t give you a

well don’t worry I won’t give you a

well don’t worry I won’t give you a number up to anybody else that it just

number up to anybody else that it just

number up to anybody else that it just before the conference like no like I

before the conference like no like I

before the conference like no like I really don’t have a phone um yeah I

really don’t have a phone um yeah I

really don’t have a phone um yeah I really value my time and the counter

really value my time and the counter

really value my time and the counter part of that is what I mean it I mean it

part of that is what I mean it I mean it

part of that is what I mean it I mean it like we’re talking now and not doing

like we’re talking now and not doing

like we’re talking now and not doing anything else I’m not checking email not

anything else I’m not checking email not

anything else I’m not checking email not on facebook i’m not doing anything but

on facebook i’m not doing anything but

on facebook i’m not doing anything but talking to you and so when I am doing in

talking to you and so when I am doing in

talking to you and so when I am doing in those chunks I’m focused and that lets

those chunks I’m focused and that lets

those chunks I’m focused and that lets you get a lot of amazing stuff done yeah

you get a lot of amazing stuff done yeah

you get a lot of amazing stuff done yeah and so the original question was time

and so the original question was time

and so the original question was time mentioned being a single parent I would

mentioned being a single parent I would

mentioned being a single parent I would I would look at what can I do I mean so

I would look at what can I do I mean so

I would look at what can I do I mean so you don’t have all day you have a job

you don’t have all day you have a job

you don’t have all day you have a job you have a kid I would try to chunk out

you have a kid I would try to chunk out

you have a kid I would try to chunk out like half an hour a day an hour day

like half an hour a day an hour day

like half an hour a day an hour day whatever you can find a time dedicate it

whatever you can find a time dedicate it

whatever you can find a time dedicate it to work around your business and commit

to work around your business and commit

to work around your business and commit to doing that every single day yeah

to doing that every single day yeah

to doing that every single day yeah whatever time here you can take look

whatever time here you can take look

whatever time here you can take look even it’s a small amount of time a small

even it’s a small amount of time a small

even it’s a small amount of time a small amount of time every single day adds up

amount of time every single day adds up

amount of time every single day adds up yeah now would i would like every day at

yeah now would i would like every day at

yeah now would i would like every day at least half an hour you got to find half

least half an hour you got to find half

least half an hour you got to find half an hour every single day if you’re you

an hour every single day if you’re you

an hour every single day if you’re you know super busy just that’s that’s

know super busy just that’s that’s

know super busy just that’s that’s important for your dream don’t

important for your dream don’t

important for your dream don’t to die because you have other things

to die because you have other things

to die because you have other things coming up you know it’s like you get

coming up you know it’s like you get

coming up you know it’s like you get home it’s really late you still have

home it’s really late you still have

home it’s really late you still have half an hour work on your business and

half an hour work on your business and

half an hour work on your business and then go to bed uh king j how important

then go to bed uh king j how important

then go to bed uh king j how important is diet when starting the business how

is diet when starting the business how

is diet when starting the business how important is diet it’s always important

important is diet it’s always important

important is diet it’s always important whether or not you’re starting to

whether or not you’re starting to

whether or not you’re starting to business you need to take care of your

business you need to take care of your

business you need to take care of your body the way that you’re going to be

body the way that you’re going to be

body the way that you’re going to be able to have the energy that you need to

able to have the energy that you need to

able to have the energy that you need to start a business is by putting the right

start a business is by putting the right

start a business is by putting the right tool fuel into your body so that you can

tool fuel into your body so that you can

tool fuel into your body so that you can have the energy to do that die it’s

have the energy to do that die it’s

have the energy to do that die it’s always important and then that you

always important and then that you

always important and then that you followed up since is king king j

followed up since is king king j

followed up since is king king j normally here business owners say they

normally here business owners say they

normally here business owners say they stay up late nights drinking unhealthy

stay up late nights drinking unhealthy

stay up late nights drinking unhealthy amounts of coffee uh well i am drinking

amounts of coffee uh well i am drinking

amounts of coffee uh well i am drinking my green smoothie granite this is what i

my green smoothie granite this is what i

my green smoothie granite this is what i have every day I don’t know what’s in

have every day I don’t know what’s in

have every day I don’t know what’s in here my wife makes these for me uh green

here my wife makes these for me uh green

here my wife makes these for me uh green means it’s kale I don’t know what the

means it’s kale I don’t know what the

means it’s kale I don’t know what the rest of it is it kind of varies from day

rest of it is it kind of varies from day

rest of it is it kind of varies from day to day um yeah I mean I think you can

to day um yeah I mean I think you can

to day um yeah I mean I think you can you can you can plow through stuff if

you can you can plow through stuff if

you can you can plow through stuff if you absolutely need to but if you’re in

you absolutely need to but if you’re in

you absolutely need to but if you’re in it for the long haul you need to take

it for the long haul you need to take

it for the long haul you need to take care of yourself um and I would also

care of yourself um and I would also

care of yourself um and I would also look as a curveball to this i would i

look as a curveball to this i would i

look as a curveball to this i would i would try to figure out uh what time of

would try to figure out uh what time of

would try to figure out uh what time of day works best for you because i feel i

day works best for you because i feel i

day works best for you because i feel i feel like there are people who work

feel like there are people who work

feel like there are people who work better at night and some people regret

better at night and some people regret

better at night and some people regret in the morning if you’re a night person

in the morning if you’re a night person

in the morning if you’re a night person and you i am not like a early morning

and you i am not like a early morning

and you i am not like a early morning person I can’t wait to get there I can’t

person I can’t wait to get there I can’t

person I can’t wait to get there I can’t I’m not the five thirty in the morning

I’m not the five thirty in the morning

I’m not the five thirty in the morning wake up and like get stuff done before

wake up and like get stuff done before

wake up and like get stuff done before the house gets up um I can’t do that but

the house gets up um I can’t do that but

the house gets up um I can’t do that but that’s cool like some people are and

that’s cool like some people are and

that’s cool like some people are and that’s awesome so you have to find your

that’s awesome so you have to find your

that’s awesome so you have to find your cadence find what works for you and if

cadence find what works for you and if

cadence find what works for you and if you’re the kind of person who likes

you’re the kind of person who likes

you’re the kind of person who likes working into the night and that gives

working into the night and that gives

working into the night and that gives you your peace and solitude and gets you

you your peace and solitude and gets you

you your peace and solitude and gets you into the zone then do that and stretch

into the zone then do that and stretch

into the zone then do that and stretch your life around that but if you’re not

your life around that but if you’re not

your life around that but if you’re not taking care of yourself you know you’re

taking care of yourself you know you’re

taking care of yourself you know you’re not going to you’re not going to last

not going to you’re not going to last

not going to you’re not going to last very long um I know we’re kind of we’re

very long um I know we’re kind of we’re

very long um I know we’re kind of we’re bumping up the clock and we still have a

bumping up the clock and we still have a

bumping up the clock and we still have a ton of questions so people are liking

ton of questions so people are liking

ton of questions so people are liking your liking the topic here um my passion

your liking the topic here um my passion

your liking the topic here um my passion maybe last one Sonam so now is writing

maybe last one Sonam so now is writing

maybe last one Sonam so now is writing uh my passion is inspiring young

uh my passion is inspiring young

uh my passion is inspiring young athletes that go after their dreams of

athletes that go after their dreams of

athletes that go after their dreams of playing basketball but this will take

playing basketball but this will take

playing basketball but this will take time to build he’s starting a blog and I

time to build he’s starting a blog and I

time to build he’s starting a blog and I need to provide money for family myself

need to provide money for family myself

need to provide money for family myself right now what do you think I think

right now what do you think I think

right now what do you think I think there’s nothing wrong with starting

there’s nothing wrong with starting

there’s nothing wrong with starting something part-time at first to get it

something part-time at first to get it

something part-time at first to get it started so that you’re not you don’t

started so that you’re not you don’t

started so that you’re not you don’t have a lot of pressure on yourself to

have a lot of pressure on yourself to

have a lot of pressure on yourself to like if you need the money to take care

like if you need the money to take care

like if you need the money to take care of your family or other responsibilities

of your family or other responsibilities

of your family or other responsibilities maybe you have to start that business on

maybe you have to start that business on

maybe you have to start that business on the side for now but that’s an

the side for now but that’s an

the side for now but that’s an acceptable thing to do I think we have a

acceptable thing to do I think we have a

acceptable thing to do I think we have a lot of pressures we put all I pressure

lot of pressures we put all I pressure

lot of pressures we put all I pressure on ourselves sometimes to like you just

on ourselves sometimes to like you just

on ourselves sometimes to like you just have to do it all it’s all or nothing

have to do it all it’s all or nothing

have to do it all it’s all or nothing right now but I think that there is room

right now but I think that there is room

right now but I think that there is room for a different way to start or to do

for a different way to start or to do

for a different way to start or to do something on the side and build it up to

something on the side and build it up to

something on the side and build it up to it creating that income so that you can

it creating that income so that you can

it creating that income so that you can eventually quit that day job in to your

eventually quit that day job in to your

eventually quit that day job in to your business full time yeah I agree we’re on

business full time yeah I agree we’re on

business full time yeah I agree we’re on the same page with that one I think a

the same page with that one I think a

the same page with that one I think a lot of entrepreneurs they quit they

lot of entrepreneurs they quit they

lot of entrepreneurs they quit they start a business they don’t get results

start a business they don’t get results

start a business they don’t get results fast enough and then 36 months later

fast enough and then 36 months later

fast enough and then 36 months later they burn through other savings and on

they burn through other savings and on

they burn through other savings and on their back having to go get job super

their back having to go get job super

their back having to go get job super demoralise and like having nothing to

demoralise and like having nothing to

demoralise and like having nothing to your name and it’s way better to start

your name and it’s way better to start

your name and it’s way better to start the business on the side and just

the business on the side and just

the business on the side and just dedicate time at least half an hour

dedicate time at least half an hour

dedicate time at least half an hour every single day to making this business

every single day to making this business

every single day to making this business happen the curveball I would throw is I

happen the curveball I would throw is I

happen the curveball I would throw is I would try to get a job that would help

would try to get a job that would help

would try to get a job that would help me become a better entrepreneur so if

me become a better entrepreneur so if

me become a better entrepreneur so if you want to help aspiring young athletes

you want to help aspiring young athletes

you want to help aspiring young athletes play professional basketball I would try

play professional basketball I would try

play professional basketball I would try to get a job where I’m going to learn

to get a job where I’m going to learn

to get a job where I’m going to learn about the game professional basketball

about the game professional basketball

about the game professional basketball and working with a sports team i’m

and working with a sports team i’m

and working with a sports team i’m working with the kids something where

working with the kids something where

working with the kids something where you’re going to learn how to transfer

you’re going to learn how to transfer

you’re going to learn how to transfer those skills to make your business

those skills to make your business

those skills to make your business better so you’re not just getting some

better so you’re not just getting some

better so you’re not just getting some job I don’t know what you’re doing if

job I don’t know what you’re doing if

job I don’t know what you’re doing if you’re in accounting or you know

you’re in accounting or you know

you’re in accounting or you know something you know you in mcdonalds job

something you know you in mcdonalds job

something you know you in mcdonalds job or whatever if it’s something totally

or whatever if it’s something totally

or whatever if it’s something totally unrelated then that’s not going to help

unrelated then that’s not going to help

unrelated then that’s not going to help you we’re ideally you have a job where

you we’re ideally you have a job where

you we’re ideally you have a job where you’re learning you’re getting

you’re learning you’re getting

you’re learning you’re getting mentorship you’re making money you’re

mentorship you’re making money you’re

mentorship you’re making money you’re building

building

building actually getting the experience you’re

actually getting the experience you’re

actually getting the experience you’re getting paid to make mistakes so that

getting paid to make mistakes so that

getting paid to make mistakes so that when you go and you start your business

when you go and you start your business

when you go and you start your business and you jump in you’re going to have a

and you jump in you’re going to have a

and you jump in you’re going to have a leg up I’m going to end up there where

leg up I’m going to end up there where

leg up I’m going to end up there where we’re up against the owl already um it’s

we’re up against the owl already um it’s

we’re up against the owl already um it’s been tons of fun to thank you guys for

been tons of fun to thank you guys for

been tons of fun to thank you guys for watching and all the questions and I’m

watching and all the questions and I’m

watching and all the questions and I’m sorry we couldn’t get to all of them

sorry we couldn’t get to all of them

sorry we couldn’t get to all of them next time you know get those questions

next time you know get those questions

next time you know get those questions and early and loveland I really

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appreciate the time and the great questions and your your vibe and energy

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