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HipMojo 6C: Shira Lazar and CBS Part Ways


welcome back to lightning round for

welcome back to lightning round for questions let’s get started all right so

questions let’s get started all right so

questions let’s get started all right so CBS they had a distribution deal to

CBS they had a distribution deal to

CBS they had a distribution deal to distribute video show what’s trending

distribute video show what’s trending

distribute video show what’s trending what’s trending tweets that Steve Jobs

what’s trending tweets that Steve Jobs

what’s trending tweets that Steve Jobs is dead turns out he’s not CBS cuts

is dead turns out he’s not CBS cuts

is dead turns out he’s not CBS cuts their deal did they overreact I don’t

their deal did they overreact I don’t

their deal did they overreact I don’t think they overreacted this after all is

think they overreacted this after all is

think they overreacted this after all is the network that you know God rid of Dan

the network that you know God rid of Dan

the network that you know God rid of Dan Rather after there were some less than

Rather after there were some less than

Rather after there were some less than truthful allegations and something that

truthful allegations and something that

truthful allegations and something that he was involved with so if they’re gonna

he was involved with so if they’re gonna

he was involved with so if they’re gonna you know throw dan Rather under the bus

you know throw dan Rather under the bus

you know throw dan Rather under the bus I don’t understand why new media people

I don’t understand why new media people

I don’t understand why new media people like us have to be so surprised that

like us have to be so surprised that

like us have to be so surprised that they discontinued the relationship with

they discontinued the relationship with

they discontinued the relationship with what’s trending and Shiro Shira Lazar I

what’s trending and Shiro Shira Lazar I

what’s trending and Shiro Shira Lazar I think she’s very talented I think she’ll

think she’s very talented I think she’ll

think she’s very talented I think she’ll bounce back but you know it just I think

bounce back but you know it just I think

bounce back but you know it just I think this just reminds people two things

this just reminds people two things

this just reminds people two things which is no matter how high you are you

which is no matter how high you are you

which is no matter how high you are you really unfortunately are one mistake or

really unfortunately are one mistake or

really unfortunately are one mistake or one accident away from falling down the

one accident away from falling down the

one accident away from falling down the day before she did this she was on Times

day before she did this she was on Times

day before she did this she was on Times Square billboard but she’ll be fine

Square billboard but she’ll be fine

Square billboard but she’ll be fine she’s very talented she was actually a

she’s very talented she was actually a

she’s very talented she was actually a moderator on a panel that I was on last

moderator on a panel that I was on last

moderator on a panel that I was on last year she’s very intelligent she’s an

year she’s very intelligent she’s an

year she’s very intelligent she’s an attractive gal so I think she’ll be fine

attractive gal so I think she’ll be fine

attractive gal so I think she’ll be fine I think the bigger takeaway here is for

I think the bigger takeaway here is for

I think the bigger takeaway here is for us new media people is you are either an

us new media people is you are either an

us new media people is you are either an entertainment or you are in news if

entertainment or you are in news if

entertainment or you are in news if you’re in news there’s a reason why CNN

you’re in news there’s a reason why CNN

you’re in news there’s a reason why CNN doesn’t always update right away they

doesn’t always update right away they

doesn’t always update right away they check the facts and I think in this case

check the facts and I think in this case

check the facts and I think in this case it wasn’t just the tweet that came out

it wasn’t just the tweet that came out

it wasn’t just the tweet that came out it was the initial sort of correction

it was the initial sort of correction

it was the initial sort of correction which was oh you know unconfirmed

which was oh you know unconfirmed

which was oh you know unconfirmed incorrect allegation live on I think

incorrect allegation live on I think

incorrect allegation live on I think that came across a bit insensitive but

that came across a bit insensitive but

that came across a bit insensitive but even if they would have come out and

even if they would have come out and

even if they would have come out and corrected it right away I think CBS had

corrected it right away I think CBS had

corrected it right away I think CBS had to do something and unfortunately that

to do something and unfortunately that

to do something and unfortunately that was it let me ask you this this week we

was it let me ask you this this week we

was it let me ask you this this week we saw the 10 year anniversary of 911 is

saw the 10 year anniversary of 911 is

saw the 10 year anniversary of 911 is involvement of advertisers and even

involvement of advertisers and even

involvement of advertisers and even media companies covering it so much is

media companies covering it so much is

media companies covering it so much is it inappropriate and are they profiting

it inappropriate and are they profiting

it inappropriate and are they profiting from a horrible thing or is it

from a horrible thing or is it

from a horrible thing or is it appropriate and and tasteful tastefully

appropriate and and tasteful tastefully

appropriate and and tasteful tastefully done okay I I don’t think it’s any more

done okay I I don’t think it’s any more

done okay I I don’t think it’s any more inappropriate than it is for us to bring

inappropriate than it is for us to bring

inappropriate than it is for us to bring it up on a tech show it’s expected

it up on a tech show it’s expected

it up on a tech show it’s expected that’s really what what it was let’s

that’s really what what it was let’s

that’s really what what it was let’s face it it happened in our cultural

face it it happened in our cultural

face it it happened in our cultural backyard it was a big deal it was a lot

backyard it was a big deal it was a lot

backyard it was a big deal it was a lot of lives it had huge economic and

of lives it had huge economic and

of lives it had huge economic and political aftershocks that were still

political aftershocks that were still

political aftershocks that were still trying to cope with today so 10 is a

trying to cope with today so 10 is a

trying to cope with today so 10 is a nice round number 10-year anniversary’s

nice round number 10-year anniversary’s

nice round number 10-year anniversary’s our big thing and I think we could

our big thing and I think we could

our big thing and I think we could expect to see it again in 25 years okay

expect to see it again in 25 years okay

expect to see it again in 25 years okay fair enough next question the YouTube

fair enough next question the YouTube

fair enough next question the YouTube guys Chatterley and Steve Chen they are

guys Chatterley and Steve Chen they are

guys Chatterley and Steve Chen they are now trying to reserve well they already

now trying to reserve well they already

now trying to reserve well they already bought delicious and they’re trying to

bought delicious and they’re trying to

bought delicious and they’re trying to directed yahoo unloaded basically does

directed yahoo unloaded basically does

directed yahoo unloaded basically does delicious have a shot at being relevant

delicious have a shot at being relevant

delicious have a shot at being relevant let alone successful in a day of Twitter

let alone successful in a day of Twitter

let alone successful in a day of Twitter and whatnot uh it does offer a very

and whatnot uh it does offer a very

and whatnot uh it does offer a very unique value proposition from twitter

unique value proposition from twitter

unique value proposition from twitter i’m just not sure if the market demand

i’m just not sure if the market demand

i’m just not sure if the market demand for the kind of a social cloud-based

for the kind of a social cloud-based

for the kind of a social cloud-based bookmarking service is still there i

bookmarking service is still there i

bookmarking service is still there i think that maybe the money they got from

think that maybe the money they got from

think that maybe the money they got from the YouTube deal is kind of gone to

the YouTube deal is kind of gone to

the YouTube deal is kind of gone to their heads they think they’re geniuses

their heads they think they’re geniuses

their heads they think they’re geniuses and can fix anything I’m not saying the

and can fix anything I’m not saying the

and can fix anything I’m not saying the thing can’t be made to make money I just

thing can’t be made to make money I just

thing can’t be made to make money I just think it’s probably a waste of the money

think it’s probably a waste of the money

think it’s probably a waste of the money and talent that’s going to get poured

and talent that’s going to get poured

and talent that’s going to get poured into it this time around so previously

into it this time around so previously

into it this time around so previously on the first segment you asked me if

on the first segment you asked me if

on the first segment you asked me if Yahoo should maybe unload things like

Yahoo should maybe unload things like

Yahoo should maybe unload things like Flickr I think what’s interesting is

Flickr I think what’s interesting is

Flickr I think what’s interesting is when yahoo bought flickr if you think

when yahoo bought flickr if you think

when yahoo bought flickr if you think about it they could have combined it

about it they could have combined it

about it they could have combined it with delicious so the tagging aspect of

with delicious so the tagging aspect of

with delicious so the tagging aspect of delicious and introduced video and you

delicious and introduced video and you

delicious and introduced video and you would have had youtube i think that when

would have had youtube i think that when

would have had youtube i think that when people think of missed opportunities at

people think of missed opportunities at

people think of missed opportunities at yahoo at to me that was probably one of

yahoo at to me that was probably one of

yahoo at to me that was probably one of the bigger ones okay really fail to

the bigger ones okay really fail to

the bigger ones okay really fail to integrate a bunch of products across

integrate a bunch of products across

integrate a bunch of products across pretty much yeah no i think the reality

pretty much yeah no i think the reality

pretty much yeah no i think the reality is is when you look at how successful

is is when you look at how successful

is is when you look at how successful big initially was and how quickly that

big initially was and how quickly that

big initially was and how quickly that fell and how facebook and twitter are

fell and how facebook and twitter are

fell and how facebook and twitter are the darlings and things change i don’t

the darlings and things change i don’t

the darlings and things change i don’t really see delicious having much of a

really see delicious having much of a

really see delicious having much of a shot and i do think that money gets to

shot and i do think that money gets to

shot and i do think that money gets to people and you just lose that drive to

people and you just lose that drive to

people and you just lose that drive to some extent so it will be very

some extent so it will be very

some extent so it will be very interesting to see what they do but I

interesting to see what they do but I

interesting to see what they do but I would be surprised if anything happens

would be surprised if anything happens

would be surprised if anything happens next question question number four is

next question question number four is

next question question number four is tim armstrong going to lose his job at

tim armstrong going to lose his job at

tim armstrong going to lose his job at AOL i don’t think you will get fired if

AOL i don’t think you will get fired if

AOL i don’t think you will get fired if that’s what you’re asking even though a

that’s what you’re asking even though a

that’s what you’re asking even though a lot of people are growing impatient of

lot of people are growing impatient of

lot of people are growing impatient of the excessive spending and patch and and

the excessive spending and patch and and

the excessive spending and patch and and the acquisition integration challenges

the acquisition integration challenges

the acquisition integration challenges occasionally and especially the michael

occasionally and especially the michael

occasionally and especially the michael arrington Arianna Huffington debacle I

arrington Arianna Huffington debacle I

arrington Arianna Huffington debacle I think the bigger reality is when March

think the bigger reality is when March

think the bigger reality is when March 12 2012 rolls around which is when the

12 2012 rolls around which is when the

12 2012 rolls around which is when the three-year contract that he signed

three-year contract that he signed

three-year contract that he signed expires my guess is he will probably

expires my guess is he will probably

expires my guess is he will probably leave the only way where he might leave

leave the only way where he might leave

leave the only way where he might leave a bit sooner is if the Board says

a bit sooner is if the Board says

a bit sooner is if the Board says indirectly to maybe get him to leave

indirectly to maybe get him to leave

indirectly to maybe get him to leave sooner is if they go Tim were no longer

sooner is if they go Tim were no longer

sooner is if they go Tim were no longer authorizing the massive investment in

authorizing the massive investment in

authorizing the massive investment in patch patch costs 120 million dollars a

patch patch costs 120 million dollars a

patch patch costs 120 million dollars a year to to grow and operate that is

year to to grow and operate that is

year to to grow and operate that is insane for ya local lots of opportunity

insane for ya local lots of opportunity

insane for ya local lots of opportunity but there’s better ways to tackling that

but there’s better ways to tackling that

but there’s better ways to tackling that market so I think he will leave sooner

market so I think he will leave sooner

market so I think he will leave sooner if they say you can no longer invest in

if they say you can no longer invest in

if they say you can no longer invest in patch which was his baby he and invested

patch which was his baby he and invested

patch which was his baby he and invested in it and then AOL bought it when he

in it and then AOL bought it when he

in it and then AOL bought it when he joined AOL if not I think when the three

joined AOL if not I think when the three

joined AOL if not I think when the three years comes up it’ll be a beautiful

years comes up it’ll be a beautiful

years comes up it’ll be a beautiful written press release saying how he’s

written press release saying how he’s

written press release saying how he’s deciding to retire the guy doesn’t need

deciding to retire the guy doesn’t need

deciding to retire the guy doesn’t need money right he was like the former vp of

money right he was like the former vp of

money right he was like the former vp of sales for North America and Google great

sales for North America and Google great

sales for North America and Google great sales guy I think like the traits you

sales guy I think like the traits you

sales guy I think like the traits you need to be a really good sales guy are

need to be a really good sales guy are

need to be a really good sales guy are not necessarily the traits you need to

not necessarily the traits you need to

not necessarily the traits you need to be a CEO like I used to do sales but I

be a CEO like I used to do sales but I

be a CEO like I used to do sales but I really don’t like sales I don’t like to

really don’t like sales I don’t like to

really don’t like sales I don’t like to go in as much as I like going into meat

go in as much as I like going into meat

go in as much as I like going into meat he’s really attractive 20-something you

he’s really attractive 20-something you

he’s really attractive 20-something you know ad agency gals I don’t really like

know ad agency gals I don’t really like

know ad agency gals I don’t really like doing that it’s it’s not what I like you

doing that it’s it’s not what I like you

doing that it’s it’s not what I like you know what like people say Steve Jobs is

know what like people say Steve Jobs is

know what like people say Steve Jobs is a great sales guy yeah but he does he

a great sales guy yeah but he does he

a great sales guy yeah but he does he wouldn’t be a good sales man he just

wouldn’t be a good sales man he just

wouldn’t be a good sales man he just knows how to sell an idea Tim Armstrong

knows how to sell an idea Tim Armstrong

knows how to sell an idea Tim Armstrong is a fantastic sales guy he’ll drink the

is a fantastic sales guy he’ll drink the

is a fantastic sales guy he’ll drink the kool-aid believe in everything he’s

kool-aid believe in everything he’s

kool-aid believe in everything he’s saying but I just think the strategy

saying but I just think the strategy

saying but I just think the strategy that he has is impossible to execute so

that he has is impossible to execute so

that he has is impossible to execute so no you won’t get fired but he will

no you won’t get fired but he will

no you won’t get fired but he will probably leave come March 12 what’s the

probably leave come March 12 what’s the

probably leave come March 12 what’s the question of the week question week Brian

question of the week question week Brian

question of the week question week Brian from Detroit and ash how important is it

from Detroit and ash how important is it

from Detroit and ash how important is it to land PR mentions when you’re running

to land PR mentions when you’re running

to land PR mentions when you’re running a start-up I think it’s very important

a start-up I think it’s very important

a start-up I think it’s very important to a degree and with an asterisk I think

to a degree and with an asterisk I think

to a degree and with an asterisk I think you know startups that thing oh my god

you know startups that thing oh my god

you know startups that thing oh my god if we get a mention on TechCrunch that’s

if we get a mention on TechCrunch that’s

if we get a mention on TechCrunch that’s going to build our business that is

going to build our business that is

going to build our business that is false but obviously being on you know

false but obviously being on you know

false but obviously being on you know like the first time that TechCrunch ran

like the first time that TechCrunch ran

like the first time that TechCrunch ran an article about us saying that we hit

an article about us saying that we hit

an article about us saying that we hit 50 million views it was nice it was like

50 million views it was nice it was like

50 million views it was nice it was like you know hey you could send that link

you know hey you could send that link

you know hey you could send that link around I think where it’s more important

around I think where it’s more important

around I think where it’s more important like let’s say as a CEO I think you know

like let’s say as a CEO I think you know

like let’s say as a CEO I think you know I’m always out there telling guys that

I’m always out there telling guys that

I’m always out there telling guys that what we’re doing make sense that content

what we’re doing make sense that content

what we’re doing make sense that content is king we’re on the right track and at

is king we’re on the right track and at

is king we’re on the right track and at the end of the day your company looks

the end of the day your company looks

the end of the day your company looks your colleagues your employees look at

your colleagues your employees look at

your colleagues your employees look at you and they’re like maybe he’s right

you and they’re like maybe he’s right

you and they’re like maybe he’s right maybe he’s wrong maybe he’s just crazy

maybe he’s wrong maybe he’s just crazy

maybe he’s wrong maybe he’s just crazy you know but when they CPR mentions like

you know but when they CPR mentions like

you know but when they CPR mentions like last week marketing magazine featured us

last week marketing magazine featured us

last week marketing magazine featured us is one of the top digital companies

is one of the top digital companies

is one of the top digital companies digital media companies in the country

digital media companies in the country

digital media companies in the country that’s really great because it sort of

that’s really great because it sort of

that’s really great because it sort of allows me to be less of a sales guy less

allows me to be less of a sales guy less

allows me to be less of a sales guy less of a cheerleader I know I said I’m not a

of a cheerleader I know I said I’m not a

of a cheerleader I know I said I’m not a sales guy but in this in the context of

sales guy but in this in the context of

sales guy but in this in the context of cheerleading and you’re like hey look

cheerleading and you’re like hey look

cheerleading and you’re like hey look third-party validation other people

third-party validation other people

third-party validation other people think we’re doing well let me ask you

think we’re doing well let me ask you

think we’re doing well let me ask you this you sometimes work on behalf of

this you sometimes work on behalf of

this you sometimes work on behalf of companies to get PR mentions do you

companies to get PR mentions do you

companies to get PR mentions do you think that everybody in the organization

think that everybody in the organization

think that everybody in the organization the tech guys the sales guys the legal

the tech guys the sales guys the legal

the tech guys the sales guys the legal guys the content guys whoever do they

guys the content guys whoever do they

guys the content guys whoever do they really care or you want them to care I

really care or you want them to care I

really care or you want them to care I think you want them to Karen if you’re

think you want them to Karen if you’re

think you want them to Karen if you’re smart you’ll know how to make them care

smart you’ll know how to make them care

smart you’ll know how to make them care obviously you can’t control if you’re

obviously you can’t control if you’re

obviously you can’t control if you’re just in start-up phase and you’re kind

just in start-up phase and you’re kind

just in start-up phase and you’re kind of in secret alpha and for whatever

of in secret alpha and for whatever

of in secret alpha and for whatever random reason TechCrunch rates you up

random reason TechCrunch rates you up

random reason TechCrunch rates you up they write you up fine it’s done but if

they write you up fine it’s done but if

they write you up fine it’s done but if you’re actually going to go out of your

you’re actually going to go out of your

you’re actually going to go out of your way to try to get PR mentions whether

way to try to get PR mentions whether

way to try to get PR mentions whether you’re hiring an expensive agency or you

you’re hiring an expensive agency or you

you’re hiring an expensive agency or you have an intern spitting out random email

have an intern spitting out random email

have an intern spitting out random email the most important thing is to say once

the most important thing is to say once

the most important thing is to say once we get that attention what are we going

we get that attention what are we going

we get that attention what are we going to do with it rather than just you know

to do with it rather than just you know

to do with it rather than just you know generate some brand-name recognition if

generate some brand-name recognition if

generate some brand-name recognition if it doesn’t impact your business in any

it doesn’t impact your business in any

it doesn’t impact your business in any way well then you’re wasting your money

way well then you’re wasting your money

way well then you’re wasting your money going after you should probably focus on

going after you should probably focus on

going after you should probably focus on other things first so if you are going

other things first so if you are going

other things first so if you are going to do it make sure you have a way to

to do it make sure you have a way to

to do it make sure you have a way to make at least the sales guys or at least

make at least the sales guys or at least

make at least the sales guys or at least the tech guys are somewhat inside the

the tech guys are somewhat inside the

the tech guys are somewhat inside the organization care and have a plan in

organization care and have a plan in

organization care and have a plan in place to do something with that

place to do something with that

place to do something with that attention once it comes in a great

attention once it comes in a great

attention once it comes in a great feedback great advice that was the sixth

feedback great advice that was the sixth

feedback great advice that was the sixth installment of hip mojo if you have any

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