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HipMojo 26: Facebook’s IPO


welcome to hip mojo show 26 I’m your

welcome to hip mojo show 26 I’m your host Ashley and Carver solution and I’m

host Ashley and Carver solution and I’m

host Ashley and Carver solution and I’m Rebecca Brayton all right so Rebecca how

Rebecca Brayton all right so Rebecca how

Rebecca Brayton all right so Rebecca how much time you spent on Facebook be

much time you spent on Facebook be

much time you spent on Facebook be honest as you’re my boss I don’t spend

honest as you’re my boss I don’t spend

honest as you’re my boss I don’t spend that much time on Facebook especially a

that much time on Facebook especially a

that much time on Facebook especially a word like it when you’re at home when

word like it when you’re at home when

word like it when you’re at home when you’re doing your own you know I tried

you’re doing your own you know I tried

you’re doing your own you know I tried wasting exercises really I I spend most

wasting exercises really I I spend most

wasting exercises really I I spend most of my time on Twitter to be honest yeah

of my time on Twitter to be honest yeah

of my time on Twitter to be honest yeah same year I’ve become quite the Twitter

same year I’ve become quite the Twitter

same year I’ve become quite the Twitter addict and a lot of my friends are

addict and a lot of my friends are

addict and a lot of my friends are pointing it out although I say it’s

pointing it out although I say it’s

pointing it out although I say it’s really more my newsroom that’s my excuse

really more my newsroom that’s my excuse

really more my newsroom that’s my excuse okay so I don’t spend much time on

okay so I don’t spend much time on

okay so I don’t spend much time on Facebook either but it is a rather

Facebook either but it is a rather

Facebook either but it is a rather popular site and this week they filed

popular site and this week they filed

popular site and this week they filed for an IPO so we just want to cover that

for an IPO so we just want to cover that

for an IPO so we just want to cover that a bit and I believe you have some

a bit and I believe you have some

a bit and I believe you have some questions yes so this led to a lot of

questions yes so this led to a lot of

questions yes so this led to a lot of questions from a lot of people so first

questions from a lot of people so first

questions from a lot of people so first things first how does fake ships yeah

things first how does fake ships yeah

things first how does fake ships yeah Facebook actually make money and how did

Facebook actually make money and how did

Facebook actually make money and how did how much do they generate times have

how much do they generate times have

how much do they generate times have changed even internet companies make

changed even internet companies make

changed even internet companies make money so Facebook generates largely

money so Facebook generates largely

money so Facebook generates largely money from advertising which is the

money from advertising which is the

money from advertising which is the number one way that internet businesses

number one way that internet businesses

number one way that internet businesses generate money but they also have been

generate money but they also have been

generate money but they also have been building up their credits or payments

building up their credits or payments

building up their credits or payments business they’re going to make a 1

business they’re going to make a 1

business they’re going to make a 1 billion dollars in net income basically

billion dollars in net income basically

billion dollars in net income basically profit off 3.7 billion in revenue of

profit off 3.7 billion in revenue of

profit off 3.7 billion in revenue of that 3.7 3.2 comes from advertising and

that 3.7 3.2 comes from advertising and

that 3.7 3.2 comes from advertising and the payments just to explain the

the payments just to explain the

the payments just to explain the payments credit side of things a few

payments credit side of things a few

payments credit side of things a few years ago video game makers Zynga was

years ago video game makers Zynga was

years ago video game makers Zynga was basically leveraging the facebook

basically leveraging the facebook

basically leveraging the facebook platform and monetizing that experience

platform and monetizing that experience

platform and monetizing that experience and facebook said timeout if you’re

and facebook said timeout if you’re

and facebook said timeout if you’re going to be charging people you can’t

going to be charging people you can’t

going to be charging people you can’t use your payment system you got to use

use your payment system you got to use

use your payment system you got to use ours so large a large portion of that

ours so large a large portion of that

ours so large a large portion of that growth has come from sorry of the

growth has come from sorry of the

growth has come from sorry of the Facebook credit payments growth has come

Facebook credit payments growth has come

Facebook credit payments growth has come from zynga and Zynga generates twelve

from zynga and Zynga generates twelve

from zynga and Zynga generates twelve percent of Facebook’s revenues okay so

percent of Facebook’s revenues okay so

percent of Facebook’s revenues okay so according to the IPO how much is

according to the IPO how much is

according to the IPO how much is Facebook raising and what is it worth

Facebook raising and what is it worth

Facebook raising and what is it worth and is it a deal is it a deal or no deal

and is it a deal is it a deal or no deal

and is it a deal is it a deal or no deal well Facebook originally was rumored to

well Facebook originally was rumored to

well Facebook originally was rumored to raise up to 10 billion dollars let’s

raise up to 10 billion dollars let’s

raise up to 10 billion dollars let’s actually go back what happens in an IPO

actually go back what happens in an IPO

actually go back what happens in an IPO or initial public offering is a company

or initial public offering is a company

or initial public offering is a company that previously was private basically

that previously was private basically

that previously was private basically says you know we might have some

says you know we might have some

says you know we might have some investors venture capital firms and

investors venture capital firms and

investors venture capital firms and private

private

private and employees but we’re now going to

and employees but we’re now going to

and employees but we’re now going to sell as a first offering to the public

sell as a first offering to the public

sell as a first offering to the public and you basically say let’s say if

and you basically say let’s say if

and you basically say let’s say if you’re worth a hundred billion dollars

you’re worth a hundred billion dollars

you’re worth a hundred billion dollars you then say if we’re going to sell ten

you then say if we’re going to sell ten

you then say if we’re going to sell ten percent to the public then we’re going

percent to the public then we’re going

percent to the public then we’re going to get ten percent of a billion ten

to get ten percent of a billion ten

to get ten percent of a billion ten billion dollars to go and hire more

billion dollars to go and hire more

billion dollars to go and hire more staff expand by other companies so it

staff expand by other companies so it

staff expand by other companies so it was rumored that Facebook was going to

was rumored that Facebook was going to

was rumored that Facebook was going to raise ten billion dollars by selling ten

raise ten billion dollars by selling ten

raise ten billion dollars by selling ten percent of its stock at a hundred

percent of its stock at a hundred

percent of its stock at a hundred billion dollar valuation that’s not

billion dollar valuation that’s not

billion dollar valuation that’s not actually what’s going to happen although

actually what’s going to happen although

actually what’s going to happen although it’s surprisingly close Facebook is only

it’s surprisingly close Facebook is only

it’s surprisingly close Facebook is only only going to raise five billion dollars

only going to raise five billion dollars

only going to raise five billion dollars and it’s still a lot of money it’s the

and it’s still a lot of money it’s the

and it’s still a lot of money it’s the biggest tech IPO in mark sacrifice yeah

biggest tech IPO in mark sacrifice yeah

biggest tech IPO in mark sacrifice yeah poor mark zuckerberg we’ll talk about

poor mark zuckerberg we’ll talk about

poor mark zuckerberg we’ll talk about Mark Zuckerberg in a bit but basically

Mark Zuckerberg in a bit but basically

Mark Zuckerberg in a bit but basically Facebook analysts are giving it a

Facebook analysts are giving it a

Facebook analysts are giving it a valuation of anywhere from 75 probably

valuation of anywhere from 75 probably

valuation of anywhere from 75 probably low range 85 billion to as high as a

low range 85 billion to as high as a

low range 85 billion to as high as a hundred billion and historically

hundred billion and historically

hundred billion and historically investment bankers usually price and IPO

investment bankers usually price and IPO

investment bankers usually price and IPO below its fair value so that the stock

below its fair value so that the stock

below its fair value so that the stock pops because that’s great for marketing

pops because that’s great for marketing

pops because that’s great for marketing so this being said Mark Zuckerberg who

so this being said Mark Zuckerberg who

so this being said Mark Zuckerberg who is one of the few founder young founder

is one of the few founder young founder

is one of the few founder young founder CEOs who stayed at his company as the

CEOs who stayed at his company as the

CEOs who stayed at his company as the CEO almost ten years eight years and

CEO almost ten years eight years and

CEO almost ten years eight years and he’ll be taking one of the biggest

he’ll be taking one of the biggest

he’ll be taking one of the biggest internet brands public so that hats off

internet brands public so that hats off

internet brands public so that hats off to mark and his team he holds twenty

to mark and his team he holds twenty

to mark and his team he holds twenty eight percent of the stock so he’s worth

eight percent of the stock so he’s worth

eight percent of the stock so he’s worth as little as 16 billion to as high as

as little as 16 billion to as high as

as little as 16 billion to as high as like 30 billion making him you know

like 30 billion making him you know

like 30 billion making him you know automatically overnight one of the

automatically overnight one of the

automatically overnight one of the richest men on earth and he deserves a

richest men on earth and he deserves a

richest men on earth and he deserves a lot of praise despite what the cynics

lot of praise despite what the cynics

lot of praise despite what the cynics might say okay is it a deal well that’s

might say okay is it a deal well that’s

might say okay is it a deal well that’s the big question is it a deal yes and no

the big question is it a deal yes and no

the big question is it a deal yes and no Facebook is going to become the

Facebook is going to become the

Facebook is going to become the bellwether the the bellwether of the

bellwether the the bellwether of the

bellwether the the bellwether of the internet stock so if right now somebody

internet stock so if right now somebody

internet stock so if right now somebody has been investing in Google because

has been investing in Google because

has been investing in Google because they want to have exposure to the

they want to have exposure to the

they want to have exposure to the internet well Google’s like an 11 year

internet well Google’s like an 11 year

internet well Google’s like an 11 year old you know more like a 12 13 year old

old you know more like a 12 13 year old

old you know more like a 12 13 year old company it’s been public for almost a

company it’s been public for almost a

company it’s been public for almost a decade so Google is somewhat mature as a

decade so Google is somewhat mature as a

decade so Google is somewhat mature as a stock so if somebody really wants to

stock so if somebody really wants to

stock so if somebody really wants to pour money into Facebook even though

pour money into Facebook even though

pour money into Facebook even though Facebook is expensive from a price to

Facebook is expensive from a price to

Facebook is expensive from a price to revenue or price to earnings perspective

revenue or price to earnings perspective

revenue or price to earnings perspective it will get a lot of demand for its

it will get a lot of demand for its

it will get a lot of demand for its stock because people are willing to be

stock because people are willing to be

stock because people are willing to be patient so even if it’s going to be a

patient so even if it’s going to be a

patient so even if it’s going to be a very you know expensive stock relative

very you know expensive stock relative

very you know expensive stock relative to earnings investors won’t care because

to earnings investors won’t care because

to earnings investors won’t care because they’re like listen this company is

they’re like listen this company is

they’re like listen this company is going to

going to

going to a billion users this year so we’re

a billion users this year so we’re

a billion users this year so we’re willing to wait for the earnings to

willing to wait for the earnings to

willing to wait for the earnings to catch up to the price it’s a deal in

catch up to the price it’s a deal in

catch up to the price it’s a deal in that sense that demand will far outstrip

that sense that demand will far outstrip

that sense that demand will far outstrip supply of stock but it’s not a deal from

supply of stock but it’s not a deal from

supply of stock but it’s not a deal from a purely financial perspective but who

a purely financial perspective but who

a purely financial perspective but who cares about that it is Facebook really

cares about that it is Facebook really

cares about that it is Facebook really worth all the hype when are they going

worth all the hype when are they going

worth all the hype when are they going to keep up with the momentum um okay

to keep up with the momentum um okay

to keep up with the momentum um okay well they’re going to keep up i think

well they’re going to keep up i think

well they’re going to keep up i think with the momentum from a user

with the momentum from a user

with the momentum from a user perspective because i do think though

perspective because i do think though

perspective because i do think though that they were going to become the

that they were going to become the

that they were going to become the natural monopoly in terms of like

natural monopoly in terms of like

natural monopoly in terms of like profiles and all that is it worth the

profiles and all that is it worth the

profiles and all that is it worth the hype put at you this way their revenues

hype put at you this way their revenues

hype put at you this way their revenues grew from 2009 to 2010 by a hundred

grew from 2009 to 2010 by a hundred

grew from 2009 to 2010 by a hundred fifty percent but then from 2010 2 2011

fifty percent but then from 2010 2 2011

fifty percent but then from 2010 2 2011 they only grew by fifty percent the

they only grew by fifty percent the

they only grew by fifty percent the problem is as you get bigger and as your

problem is as you get bigger and as your

problem is as you get bigger and as your revenues get bigger the growth is harder

revenues get bigger the growth is harder

revenues get bigger the growth is harder to accomplish so even though at face

to accomplish so even though at face

to accomplish so even though at face value the relative percentage seems like

value the relative percentage seems like

value the relative percentage seems like it’s slowing down the absolute numbers

it’s slowing down the absolute numbers

it’s slowing down the absolute numbers are staggering 3.7 billion dollars in

are staggering 3.7 billion dollars in

are staggering 3.7 billion dollars in revenue for a billion dollars of profit

revenue for a billion dollars of profit

revenue for a billion dollars of profit is a profit machine and it’s true that

is a profit machine and it’s true that

is a profit machine and it’s true that today Facebook as it goes IPO is

today Facebook as it goes IPO is

today Facebook as it goes IPO is generating more income it’s generally

generating more income it’s generally

generating more income it’s generally more profit than Google was generating

more profit than Google was generating

more profit than Google was generating revenue top line when Google and private

revenue top line when Google and private

revenue top line when Google and private public there is a difference the overall

public there is a difference the overall

public there is a difference the overall size of the advertising market online is

size of the advertising market online is

size of the advertising market online is so much bigger today that you are

so much bigger today that you are

so much bigger today that you are comparing apples to oranges my guess is

comparing apples to oranges my guess is

comparing apples to oranges my guess is that a lot of companies i want IPO that

that a lot of companies i want IPO that

that a lot of companies i want IPO that were internet companies like linkedin

were internet companies like linkedin

were internet companies like linkedin like Groupon and even Zynga which is

like Groupon and even Zynga which is

like Groupon and even Zynga which is more of a video game but let’s say you

more of a video game but let’s say you

more of a video game but let’s say you know it’s still a tech new media ish

know it’s still a tech new media ish

know it’s still a tech new media ish stock I think most of those flopped and

stock I think most of those flopped and

stock I think most of those flopped and investors will probably take whatever

investors will probably take whatever

investors will probably take whatever money that they would have put in those

money that they would have put in those

money that they would have put in those assets as well as Google and they’re

assets as well as Google and they’re

assets as well as Google and they’re going to put it in in facebook so I

going to put it in in facebook so I

going to put it in in facebook so I think it’s going to be a massive company

think it’s going to be a massive company

think it’s going to be a massive company from a consumer adoption perspective as

from a consumer adoption perspective as

from a consumer adoption perspective as it already is but that will continue

it already is but that will continue

it already is but that will continue financially I don’t think it’s going to

financially I don’t think it’s going to

financially I don’t think it’s going to put up the numbers that people see in

put up the numbers that people see in

put up the numbers that people see in the apple and Google’s even though

the apple and Google’s even though

the apple and Google’s even though you’re comparing apples to oranges but

you’re comparing apples to oranges but

you’re comparing apples to oranges but from a purely stock perspective it’ll be

from a purely stock perspective it’ll be

from a purely stock perspective it’ll be very well because people will want to

very well because people will want to

very well because people will want to put money in there everybody knows

put money in there everybody knows

put money in there everybody knows facebook even if they don’t spend time

facebook even if they don’t spend time

facebook even if they don’t spend time on it right so I mean we’ve talked about

on it right so I mean we’ve talked about

on it right so I mean we’ve talked about Google already but everyone is comparing

Google already but everyone is comparing

Google already but everyone is comparing this IPO to Google’s so is that kind of

this IPO to Google’s so is that kind of

this IPO to Google’s so is that kind of a fair comparison and out of the

a fair comparison and out of the

a fair comparison and out of the okay I mean it’s fair in the sense that

okay I mean it’s fair in the sense that

okay I mean it’s fair in the sense that you have to internet companies who lead

you have to internet companies who lead

you have to internet companies who lead there there’s respective industry

there there’s respective industry

there there’s respective industry respectively search and our social

respectively search and our social

respectively search and our social network it’s fair to say well how much

network it’s fair to say well how much

network it’s fair to say well how much money were they generating again Google

money were they generating again Google

money were they generating again Google was generating 960 million in revenue

was generating 960 million in revenue

was generating 960 million in revenue and 100 million in profit when I went

and 100 million in profit when I went

and 100 million in profit when I went IPO Facebook is generating three billion

IPO Facebook is generating three billion

IPO Facebook is generating three billion or you know 3.7 billion in revenue and a

or you know 3.7 billion in revenue and a

or you know 3.7 billion in revenue and a billion in profit so Facebook wins there

billion in profit so Facebook wins there

billion in profit so Facebook wins there however I think search is a much easier

however I think search is a much easier

however I think search is a much easier industry to monetize somebody searches

industry to monetize somebody searches

industry to monetize somebody searches for Madrid you got a result for hotels

for Madrid you got a result for hotels

for Madrid you got a result for hotels in Madrid that’s easy to monetize I’ve

in Madrid that’s easy to monetize I’ve

in Madrid that’s easy to monetize I’ve never even looked at ads on Facebook let

never even looked at ads on Facebook let

never even looked at ads on Facebook let alone clicked on an ad on facebook even

alone clicked on an ad on facebook even

alone clicked on an ad on facebook even though Facebook claims in their

though Facebook claims in their

though Facebook claims in their perspectives in the s-1 that they helped

perspectives in the s-1 that they helped

perspectives in the s-1 that they helped Procter & Gamble sell nine percent more

Procter & Gamble sell nine percent more

Procter & Gamble sell nine percent more deodorant you know I can tell you that

deodorant you know I can tell you that

deodorant you know I can tell you that you know watchmojo has helped Procter

you know watchmojo has helped Procter

you know watchmojo has helped Procter and Gamble’s so whatever it doesn’t

and Gamble’s so whatever it doesn’t

and Gamble’s so whatever it doesn’t necessarily mean you could spin the

necessarily mean you could spin the

necessarily mean you could spin the facts is what i’m getting at not being

facts is what i’m getting at not being

facts is what i’m getting at not being too cynical there the point i want to

too cynical there the point i want to

too cynical there the point i want to make is it’s it’s fair to compare to

make is it’s it’s fair to compare to

make is it’s it’s fair to compare to google in terms of where google was but

google in terms of where google was but

google in terms of where google was but it’s actually unfair in the broad macro

it’s actually unfair in the broad macro

it’s actually unfair in the broad macro space google basically brought back the

space google basically brought back the

space google basically brought back the internet from the you know disaster it

internet from the you know disaster it

internet from the you know disaster it rose from the ashes of the Nasdaq

rose from the ashes of the Nasdaq

rose from the ashes of the Nasdaq meltdown and the dot-com bubble bursting

meltdown and the dot-com bubble bursting

meltdown and the dot-com bubble bursting so when Google IPO in made investors

so when Google IPO in made investors

so when Google IPO in made investors realize that hey the internet is

realize that hey the internet is

realize that hey the internet is actually coming back Facebook you could

actually coming back Facebook you could

actually coming back Facebook you could almost argue is like in the middle to

almost argue is like in the middle to

almost argue is like in the middle to late stages of a bull run in internet

late stages of a bull run in internet

late stages of a bull run in internet assets already so from that perspective

assets already so from that perspective

assets already so from that perspective it’s really very very different but in

it’s really very very different but in

it’s really very very different but in terms of headlines in terms of like from

terms of headlines in terms of like from

terms of headlines in terms of like from an outsider you look at it it’s the

an outsider you look at it it’s the

an outsider you look at it it’s the first big it’s the biggest IPO since

first big it’s the biggest IPO since

first big it’s the biggest IPO since Google without a doubt okay is there

Google without a doubt okay is there

Google without a doubt okay is there anything surprising about the s-1 yeah I

anything surprising about the s-1 yeah I

anything surprising about the s-1 yeah I mean Zynga generating twelve percent of

mean Zynga generating twelve percent of

mean Zynga generating twelve percent of Facebook’s revenues is surprising this

Facebook’s revenues is surprising this

Facebook’s revenues is surprising this is what was most surprising half of the

is what was most surprising half of the

is what was most surprising half of the people who are users on facebook visit

people who are users on facebook visit

people who are users on facebook visit the site every day that’s not bad but

the site every day that’s not bad but

the site every day that’s not bad but what’s more interesting is like half of

what’s more interesting is like half of

what’s more interesting is like half of the users on facebook visit the site on

the users on facebook visit the site on

the users on facebook visit the site on their mobile devices their iPhones or

their mobile devices their iPhones or

their mobile devices their iPhones or blackberries there whatever windows

blackberries there whatever windows

blackberries there whatever windows seven phones so what’s interesting

seven phones so what’s interesting

seven phones so what’s interesting though is that Facebook is yet to make

though is that Facebook is yet to make

though is that Facebook is yet to make any money from the removal because

any money from the removal because

any money from the removal because they’re not putting any at so that was

they’re not putting any at so that was

they’re not putting any at so that was very surprising other things a few

very surprising other things a few

very surprising other things a few people on Twitter ironically where I

people on Twitter ironically where I

people on Twitter ironically where I followed the three stats that’s

followed the three stats that’s

followed the three stats that’s interesting

interesting

interesting facebook with a hundred billion dollar

facebook with a hundred billion dollar

facebook with a hundred billion dollar valuation with 3,000 employees is worth

valuation with 3,000 employees is worth

valuation with 3,000 employees is worth three times the four largest ad agency

three times the four largest ad agency

three times the four largest ad agency is combined who have 300,000 employees

is combined who have 300,000 employees

is combined who have 300,000 employees another one Facebook revenue per

another one Facebook revenue per

another one Facebook revenue per employee 1.1 million Walmart’s revenue

employee 1.1 million Walmart’s revenue

employee 1.1 million Walmart’s revenue per employee two hundred dollars and the

per employee two hundred dollars and the

per employee two hundred dollars and the last but not least apples EBITDA was 45

last but not least apples EBITDA was 45

last but not least apples EBITDA was 45 billion dollars Facebook’s was 1.8

billion dollars Facebook’s was 1.8

billion dollars Facebook’s was 1.8 billion but Facebook is going to be

billion but Facebook is going to be

billion but Facebook is going to be worth one-fourth of Apple so I get

worth one-fourth of Apple so I get

worth one-fourth of Apple so I get random stats from the Twitter community

random stats from the Twitter community

random stats from the Twitter community but pretty interesting long story short

but pretty interesting long story short

but pretty interesting long story short I guess not that this is should be

I guess not that this is should be

I guess not that this is should be treated as financial advice purely for

treated as financial advice purely for

treated as financial advice purely for entertainment go speak to an expert if

entertainment go speak to an expert if

entertainment go speak to an expert if you have a bunch of money lying around

you have a bunch of money lying around

you have a bunch of money lying around should you put it into facebook if you

should you put it into facebook if you

should you put it into facebook if you have money and you’re willing it to go

have money and you’re willing it to go

have money and you’re willing it to go to zero and you were going to be

to zero and you were going to be

to zero and you were going to be investing it let’s say in other Internet

investing it let’s say in other Internet

investing it let’s say in other Internet companies I you know I think Facebook is

companies I you know I think Facebook is

companies I you know I think Facebook is a good bet and I’m going to end it on

a good bet and I’m going to end it on

a good bet and I’m going to end it on this analogy when Google when IPO I said

this analogy when Google when IPO I said

this analogy when Google when IPO I said one hundred dollars a share which

one hundred dollars a share which

one hundred dollars a share which translated to 23 billion-dollar

translated to 23 billion-dollar

translated to 23 billion-dollar valuation I went back to my roots in

valuation I went back to my roots in

valuation I went back to my roots in finance and said that’s too expensive so

finance and said that’s too expensive so

finance and said that’s too expensive so I kept my money and all these other

I kept my money and all these other

I kept my money and all these other internet stocks that seemed more fair

internet stocks that seemed more fair

internet stocks that seemed more fair priced I got shafted why because

priced I got shafted why because

priced I got shafted why because everybody basically took money out of

everybody basically took money out of

everybody basically took money out of other search companies and other media

other search companies and other media

other search companies and other media companies in li ahoo and all that and

companies in li ahoo and all that and

companies in li ahoo and all that and basically put the money in the top horse

basically put the money in the top horse

basically put the money in the top horse which was Google so for that reason

which was Google so for that reason

which was Google so for that reason history repeats itself i would say

history repeats itself i would say

history repeats itself i would say facebook is probably a stock you should

facebook is probably a stock you should

facebook is probably a stock you should consider but talk to your analyst look

consider but talk to your analyst look

consider but talk to your analyst look into your crystal ball don’t take this

into your crystal ball don’t take this

into your crystal ball don’t take this as financial advice fair enough okay

as financial advice fair enough okay

as financial advice fair enough okay that’s hip mojo show 26 visit us on

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