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HipMojo 23: Growth through Bootstrapping vs. VC Fundraising


welcome to it module shal 23 i’m your

welcome to it module shal 23 i’m your host ash can cover solution CT you look

host ash can cover solution CT you look

host ash can cover solution CT you look quite different yes i’m rebecca rainin

quite different yes i’m rebecca rainin

quite different yes i’m rebecca rainin i’m filling in for the missing in action

i’m filling in for the missing in action

i’m filling in for the missing in action ZZ more I’m sure he’s doing fine or

ZZ more I’m sure he’s doing fine or

ZZ more I’m sure he’s doing fine or elsewise he’s in a cave somewhere

elsewise he’s in a cave somewhere

elsewise he’s in a cave somewhere alright so let’s get started first of

alright so let’s get started first of

alright so let’s get started first of all I think most of our audience

all I think most of our audience

all I think most of our audience probably knows you better than they know

probably knows you better than they know

probably knows you better than they know me so you need no introduction just

me so you need no introduction just

me so you need no introduction just gonna ask you this week what was the

gonna ask you this week what was the

gonna ask you this week what was the most interesting segment you shot well

most interesting segment you shot well

most interesting segment you shot well we were at the montreal international

we were at the montreal international

we were at the montreal international auto show and i know this was a gimmick

auto show and i know this was a gimmick

auto show and i know this was a gimmick by ford but they had a like a c-3po

by ford but they had a like a c-3po

by ford but they had a like a c-3po robot kind of introducing their their

robot kind of introducing their their

robot kind of introducing their their new unveilings for canada and i have to

new unveilings for canada and i have to

new unveilings for canada and i have to be honest I was caught in by the the

be honest I was caught in by the the

be honest I was caught in by the the hype nice so you mentioned was the

hype nice so you mentioned was the

hype nice so you mentioned was the Montreal Auto Show we’ve been at the

Montreal Auto Show we’ve been at the

Montreal Auto Show we’ve been at the detroit auto show and we have footage on

detroit auto show and we have footage on

detroit auto show and we have footage on the site from the frankfurt auto show

the site from the frankfurt auto show

the site from the frankfurt auto show and all that but we do fill them a lot

and all that but we do fill them a lot

and all that but we do fill them a lot out of Montreal and you do a great job

out of Montreal and you do a great job

out of Montreal and you do a great job of you know producing hosting and all

of you know producing hosting and all

of you know producing hosting and all that how challenging is it because we

that how challenging is it because we

that how challenging is it because we are a global media company how

are a global media company how

are a global media company how challenging is it for you to produce

challenging is it for you to produce

challenging is it for you to produce things out of Montreal but then we

things out of Montreal but then we

things out of Montreal but then we package them for a global audience uh in

package them for a global audience uh in

package them for a global audience uh in terms of the the repackaging it’s not

terms of the the repackaging it’s not

terms of the the repackaging it’s not all that difficult it’s more the

all that difficult it’s more the

all that difficult it’s more the language issue which is an obvious

language issue which is an obvious

language issue which is an obvious obstacle that we encounter every day

obstacle that we encounter every day

obstacle that we encounter every day it’s it’s sometimes more difficult to

it’s it’s sometimes more difficult to

it’s it’s sometimes more difficult to you know find the the local

you know find the the local

you know find the the local representative who speaks fluent and you

representative who speaks fluent and you

representative who speaks fluent and you know perfect English however at these

know perfect English however at these

know perfect English however at these auto shows it’s a lot more it’s a lot

auto shows it’s a lot more it’s a lot

auto shows it’s a lot more it’s a lot easier I mean they fly people in and

easier I mean they fly people in and

easier I mean they fly people in and Toronto for long Detroiter probably

Toronto for long Detroiter probably

Toronto for long Detroiter probably they’re Canadian representatives so I

they’re Canadian representatives so I

they’re Canadian representatives so I mean it’s it’s definitely a lot easier

mean it’s it’s definitely a lot easier

mean it’s it’s definitely a lot easier to do it at the Auto Show okay good

to do it at the Auto Show okay good

to do it at the Auto Show okay good stuff alright let’s get started with the

stuff alright let’s get started with the

stuff alright let’s get started with the first question question number one two

first question question number one two

first question question number one two weeks ago streaming media com published

weeks ago streaming media com published

weeks ago streaming media com published an interview that you did with them when

an interview that you did with them when

an interview that you did with them when you’re in LA to moderate a panel and the

you’re in LA to moderate a panel and the

you’re in LA to moderate a panel and the title was watchmojo wins with slow and

title was watchmojo wins with slow and

title was watchmojo wins with slow and steady online video growth and with the

steady online video growth and with the

steady online video growth and with the subtitle while it might not be the

subtitle while it might not be the

subtitle while it might not be the biggest video site watchmojo.com doesn’t

biggest video site watchmojo.com doesn’t

biggest video site watchmojo.com doesn’t answer to VCS and that’s a good thing

answer to VCS and that’s a good thing

answer to VCS and that’s a good thing yeah but there’s more then you turn

yeah but there’s more then you turn

yeah but there’s more then you turn around and publish an article on

around and publish an article on

around and publish an article on TechCrunch called why bootstrapping is

TechCrunch called why bootstrapping is

TechCrunch called why bootstrapping is overrated so the question is which one

overrated so the question is which one

overrated so the question is which one is it is it better to be self-funded or

is it is it better to be self-funded or

is it is it better to be self-funded or to raise bc

to raise bc

to raise bc I’m caught red-handed I’m a hypocrite

I’m caught red-handed I’m a hypocrite

I’m caught red-handed I’m a hypocrite know the idea is the right answer is it

know the idea is the right answer is it

know the idea is the right answer is it depends different strategies for

depends different strategies for

depends different strategies for different kinds of companies here’s what

different kinds of companies here’s what

different kinds of companies here’s what happens so I’m on the New York meetup

happens so I’m on the New York meetup

happens so I’m on the New York meetup tech new tech mailing list and there was

tech new tech mailing list and there was

tech new tech mailing list and there was a question about bootstrapping and there

a question about bootstrapping and there

a question about bootstrapping and there was a lot of good feedback and instead

was a lot of good feedback and instead

was a lot of good feedback and instead of writing a long as you know email

of writing a long as you know email

of writing a long as you know email thread I thought of writing a series of

thread I thought of writing a series of

thread I thought of writing a series of articles for TechCrunch really it was a

articles for TechCrunch really it was a

articles for TechCrunch really it was a three-parter it’s now a fourth for

three-parter it’s now a fourth for

three-parter it’s now a fourth for partner when the next one goes up and

partner when the next one goes up and

partner when the next one goes up and the three articles were lies

the three articles were lies

the three articles were lies entrepreneurs tell why salespeople make

entrepreneurs tell why salespeople make

entrepreneurs tell why salespeople make for bad fundraisers and why

for bad fundraisers and why

for bad fundraisers and why bootstrapping is overrated what had

bootstrapping is overrated what had

bootstrapping is overrated what had happened was when I did that interview

happened was when I did that interview

happened was when I did that interview with streaming media you know I was in

with streaming media you know I was in

with streaming media you know I was in LA to meet partners we have potential

LA to meet partners we have potential

LA to meet partners we have potential investors and I had just on a panel with

investors and I had just on a panel with

investors and I had just on a panel with some VCS and we were talking about why

some VCS and we were talking about why

some VCS and we were talking about why VCS were basically messing up online

VCS were basically messing up online

VCS were basically messing up online video right I mean so you know how many

video right I mean so you know how many

video right I mean so you know how many other like video companies out there

other like video companies out there

other like video companies out there that produce content asides from

that produce content asides from

that produce content asides from watchmojo no you know I don’t know how

watchmojo no you know I don’t know how

watchmojo no you know I don’t know how many like do you think there’s a lot or

many like do you think there’s a lot or

many like do you think there’s a lot or not many I feel like there’s not that

not many I feel like there’s not that

not many I feel like there’s not that many exactly and the reason for that is

many exactly and the reason for that is

many exactly and the reason for that is that most of them actually have gone out

that most of them actually have gone out

that most of them actually have gone out of business so the reason why fresh on

of business so the reason why fresh on

of business so the reason why fresh on my mind was this notion that VCS are not

my mind was this notion that VCS are not

my mind was this notion that VCS are not necessarily nailing video content so

necessarily nailing video content so

necessarily nailing video content so when I spoke we talked about ten things

when I spoke we talked about ten things

when I spoke we talked about ten things one of the things was the fact that we

one of the things was the fact that we

one of the things was the fact that we happen to be self-funded and they

happen to be self-funded and they

happen to be self-funded and they carried that so I was like oh my god do

carried that so I was like oh my god do

carried that so I was like oh my god do I want to be known as the ante bc guy

I want to be known as the ante bc guy

I want to be known as the ante bc guy which is not really my position I just

which is not really my position I just

which is not really my position I just think it makes sense sometimes the raise

think it makes sense sometimes the raise

think it makes sense sometimes the raise bc or not so part of it was just a sort

bc or not so part of it was just a sort

bc or not so part of it was just a sort of balance I think if you’re going to

of balance I think if you’re going to

of balance I think if you’re going to build a business you’re going to build a

build a business you’re going to build a

build a business you’re going to build a business despite your source of capital

business despite your source of capital

business despite your source of capital it’s not because of it but I’ve touched

it’s not because of it but I’ve touched

it’s not because of it but I’ve touched on this broader issue of when you’re a

on this broader issue of when you’re a

on this broader issue of when you’re a writer and a CEO to be perfectly honest

writer and a CEO to be perfectly honest

writer and a CEO to be perfectly honest I was meeting with a investor this week

I was meeting with a investor this week

I was meeting with a investor this week and he said you know you write these

and he said you know you write these

and he said you know you write these articles it’s like what’s the deal you

articles it’s like what’s the deal you

articles it’s like what’s the deal you know he’s like are you pissed at us the

know he’s like are you pissed at us the

know he’s like are you pissed at us the investment community and I said no I go

investment community and I said no I go

investment community and I said no I go it’s not like you’re dealing with a

it’s not like you’re dealing with a

it’s not like you’re dealing with a software or tech entrepreneur I’m a

software or tech entrepreneur I’m a

software or tech entrepreneur I’m a media entrepreneur we publish content

media entrepreneur we publish content

media entrepreneur we publish content it’s like Michael Arrington he’s a he

it’s like Michael Arrington he’s a he

it’s like Michael Arrington he’s a he was a Content entrepreneur a hugh hefner

was a Content entrepreneur a hugh hefner

was a Content entrepreneur a hugh hefner content entrepreneur content

content entrepreneur content

content entrepreneur content entrepreneurs are a bit crazy even just

entrepreneurs are a bit crazy even just

entrepreneurs are a bit crazy even just to finish off on this first point when I

to finish off on this first point when I

to finish off on this first point when I was writing the young pro at asked man

was writing the young pro at asked man

was writing the young pro at asked man as much as I tried to not talk about my

as much as I tried to not talk about my

as much as I tried to not talk about my experiences at the company I’d be lying

experiences at the company I’d be lying

experiences at the company I’d be lying if I said there wasn’t anything going

if I said there wasn’t anything going

if I said there wasn’t anything going so the right answer for generally

so the right answer for generally

so the right answer for generally entrepreneurs is sometimes it make sense

entrepreneurs is sometimes it make sense

entrepreneurs is sometimes it make sense to raise VC sometimes it makes it makes

to raise VC sometimes it makes it makes

to raise VC sometimes it makes it makes sense to bootstrap but those it’s not

sense to bootstrap but those it’s not

sense to bootstrap but those it’s not like it’s either or it just it depends

like it’s either or it just it depends

like it’s either or it just it depends basically yeah so I’m trying not to be a

basically yeah so I’m trying not to be a

basically yeah so I’m trying not to be a hypocrite I do see both sides of the

hypocrite I do see both sides of the

hypocrite I do see both sides of the argument no you can have it both ways so

argument no you can have it both ways so

argument no you can have it both ways so question number two is what does

question number two is what does

question number two is what does manufacturing an audience mean okay so

manufacturing an audience mean okay so

manufacturing an audience mean okay so this is something I’ve been giving a lot

this is something I’ve been giving a lot

this is something I’ve been giving a lot of thoughts to if you consider that

of thoughts to if you consider that

of thoughts to if you consider that right now there’s this big wave of

right now there’s this big wave of

right now there’s this big wave of technology in media right so it started

technology in media right so it started

technology in media right so it started not just with the internet it started

not just with the internet it started

not just with the internet it started with publishing and all that the main

with publishing and all that the main

with publishing and all that the main thing that is crazy right now is real

thing that is crazy right now is real

thing that is crazy right now is real media companies that have a real

media companies that have a real

media companies that have a real audience whether it’s a magazine whether

audience whether it’s a magazine whether

audience whether it’s a magazine whether it’s a TV company whether it’s an

it’s a TV company whether it’s an

it’s a TV company whether it’s an Internet company that publishes content

Internet company that publishes content

Internet company that publishes content they’re basically being traded at a

they’re basically being traded at a

they’re basically being traded at a discount whereas the technology

discount whereas the technology

discount whereas the technology companies that through ad serving or

companies that through ad serving or

companies that through ad serving or data or behavioral targeting who are

data or behavioral targeting who are

data or behavioral targeting who are able to reach audiences in a blind

able to reach audiences in a blind

able to reach audiences in a blind manner and manufacture the audience

manner and manufacture the audience

manner and manufacture the audience which basically means it’s a fake

which basically means it’s a fake

which basically means it’s a fake audience there’s no common bond apart

audience there’s no common bond apart

audience there’s no common bond apart from demographics which is you know we

from demographics which is you know we

from demographics which is you know we could debate whether or not it’s legit

could debate whether or not it’s legit

could debate whether or not it’s legit or not most of those companies are being

or not most of those companies are being

or not most of those companies are being traded at a at a premium so I wrote an

traded at a at a premium so I wrote an

traded at a at a premium so I wrote an article on media polls just touching on

article on media polls just touching on

article on media polls just touching on this sort of very bizarro world

this sort of very bizarro world

this sort of very bizarro world backwards reality that if you happen to

backwards reality that if you happen to

backwards reality that if you happen to be a company that has 10 million users

be a company that has 10 million users

be a company that has 10 million users visit your site and they engage with

visit your site and they engage with

visit your site and they engage with your brand and they engage with your

your brand and they engage with your

your brand and they engage with your content you’re being actually right now

content you’re being actually right now

content you’re being actually right now punished by the markets and the

punished by the markets and the

punished by the markets and the companies that are being rewarded are a

companies that are being rewarded are a

companies that are being rewarded are a lot of these technology companies that

lot of these technology companies that

lot of these technology companies that target audience is randomly across the

target audience is randomly across the

target audience is randomly across the web but okay maybe you could plead that

web but okay maybe you could plead that

web but okay maybe you could plead that well these were all people who have done

well these were all people who have done

well these were all people who have done this over the last 30 days on that but

this over the last 30 days on that but

this over the last 30 days on that but they’re actually very heterogeneous

they’re actually very heterogeneous

they’re actually very heterogeneous they’re not really it’s not really a

they’re not really it’s not really a

they’re not really it’s not really a community so the idea was like you can

community so the idea was like you can

community so the idea was like you can manufacture your audience but at some

manufacture your audience but at some

manufacture your audience but at some point it’s going to come back and haunt

point it’s going to come back and haunt

point it’s going to come back and haunt you you’re better off as a media and a

you you’re better off as a media and a

you you’re better off as a media and a publisher building a real audience

publisher building a real audience

publisher building a real audience around your content and your brand and

around your content and your brand and

around your content and your brand and this is something we’ve done in the last

this is something we’ve done in the last

this is something we’ve done in the last year we’ve hired people to just manage

year we’ve hired people to just manage

year we’ve hired people to just manage marketing and social media now I don’t

marketing and social media now I don’t

marketing and social media now I don’t know frankly though if there’s going to

know frankly though if there’s going to

know frankly though if there’s going to be at some point a regression to the

be at some point a regression to the

be at some point a regression to the mean where companies that have a real

mean where companies that have a real

mean where companies that have a real audience are going to be rewarded it

audience are going to be rewarded it

audience are going to be rewarded it could be that know like the robots take

could be that know like the robots take

could be that know like the robots take over the world and that’s just the way

over the world and that’s just the way

over the world and that’s just the way the future is going to be so what you’re

the future is going to be so what you’re

the future is going to be so what you’re saying is you want

saying is you want

saying is you want community of people who are engaged with

community of people who are engaged with

community of people who are engaged with with each other and with the videos yeah

with each other and with the videos yeah

with each other and with the videos yeah I mean in our case it’s videos but I

I mean in our case it’s videos but I

I mean in our case it’s videos but I think like if you know I was talking to

think like if you know I was talking to

think like if you know I was talking to the CEO of a big new york-based company

the CEO of a big new york-based company

the CEO of a big new york-based company and he said it he was the reason why we

and he said it he was the reason why we

and he said it he was the reason why we do very well and we could sell he goes

do very well and we could sell he goes

do very well and we could sell he goes one of my VC says are you guys kicking

one of my VC says are you guys kicking

one of my VC says are you guys kicking ass and doing so much revenue because

ass and doing so much revenue because

ass and doing so much revenue because you have like behavioral targeting and

you have like behavioral targeting and

you have like behavioral targeting and he’s like no he’s like we are doing

he’s like no he’s like we are doing

he’s like no he’s like we are doing really well and able to get nike and

really well and able to get nike and

really well and able to get nike and coca-cola to pay premiums for

coca-cola to pay premiums for

coca-cola to pay premiums for advertising because it’s a real

advertising because it’s a real

advertising because it’s a real community its people that come and

community its people that come and

community its people that come and engage with the articles and read the

engage with the articles and read the

engage with the articles and read the you know articles and view the slide

you know articles and view the slide

you know articles and view the slide shows he’s like because there’s a real

shows he’s like because there’s a real

shows he’s like because there’s a real audience there there’s a real reaction

audience there there’s a real reaction

audience there there’s a real reaction whereas to put it bluntly but then we

whereas to put it bluntly but then we

whereas to put it bluntly but then we can move on to the next thing what’s

can move on to the next thing what’s

can move on to the next thing what’s happening when you manufacture an

happening when you manufacture an

happening when you manufacture an audience it’s like bundling a bunch of

audience it’s like bundling a bunch of

audience it’s like bundling a bunch of crappy mortgages putting them together

crappy mortgages putting them together

crappy mortgages putting them together and saying this is a triple-a rated high

and saying this is a triple-a rated high

and saying this is a triple-a rated high quality asset where we saw its anything

quality asset where we saw its anything

quality asset where we saw its anything but but that’s just the way things are

but but that’s just the way things are

but but that’s just the way things are and I don’t know if that’s going to

and I don’t know if that’s going to

and I don’t know if that’s going to change or not okay question number three

change or not okay question number three

change or not okay question number three you wrote an article for a montreal tech

you wrote an article for a montreal tech

you wrote an article for a montreal tech blog and it was called you can’t cut

blog and it was called you can’t cut

blog and it was called you can’t cut your way to a billion dollar business so

your way to a billion dollar business so

your way to a billion dollar business so if you could tell us what you meant and

if you could tell us what you meant and

if you could tell us what you meant and then maybe talk a bit about the montrell

then maybe talk a bit about the montrell

then maybe talk a bit about the montrell startup in tech scene sure so I’m

startup in tech scene sure so I’m

startup in tech scene sure so I’m actually quite proud of this article

actually quite proud of this article

actually quite proud of this article because I managed in this rent to just

because I managed in this rent to just

because I managed in this rent to just you know cut across the church the

you know cut across the church the

you know cut across the church the French establishment the business

French establishment the business

French establishment the business community lawyers accountants startups

community lawyers accountants startups

community lawyers accountants startups investors you know it was quite a nice

investors you know it was quite a nice

investors you know it was quite a nice accomplishment again the reality is you

accomplishment again the reality is you

accomplishment again the reality is you can’t be vegetable lasagna when you’re

can’t be vegetable lasagna when you’re

can’t be vegetable lasagna when you’re writing and I think one of the critiques

writing and I think one of the critiques

writing and I think one of the critiques that some people have given to me about

that some people have given to me about

that some people have given to me about watchmojo as they go sometimes your

watchmojo as they go sometimes your

watchmojo as they go sometimes your content lacks that mmm and it’s true why

content lacks that mmm and it’s true why

content lacks that mmm and it’s true why because we have clients that include

because we have clients that include

because we have clients that include yahoo and you know a magazine and a

yahoo and you know a magazine and a

yahoo and you know a magazine and a portal so we have to somewhat stay

portal so we have to somewhat stay

portal so we have to somewhat stay neutral for them all to like it I admit

neutral for them all to like it I admit

neutral for them all to like it I admit guilty as charged your honor so when I

guilty as charged your honor so when I

guilty as charged your honor so when I write a blog article everybody is a

write a blog article everybody is a

write a blog article everybody is a writer everybody pontificates you know

writer everybody pontificates you know

writer everybody pontificates you know it’s like like a holes everybody’s got

it’s like like a holes everybody’s got

it’s like like a holes everybody’s got one you have to stand out of the clutter

one you have to stand out of the clutter

one you have to stand out of the clutter if I go out there drinking the kool-aid

if I go out there drinking the kool-aid

if I go out there drinking the kool-aid singing Kumbaya and saying oh my god

singing Kumbaya and saying oh my god

singing Kumbaya and saying oh my god mantras on all these great things

mantras on all these great things

mantras on all these great things nobody’s gonna read that nobody’s gonna

nobody’s gonna read that nobody’s gonna

nobody’s gonna read that nobody’s gonna share that nobody’s gonna say oh my god

share that nobody’s gonna say oh my god

share that nobody’s gonna say oh my god here’s an opinion agree or disagree so

here’s an opinion agree or disagree so

here’s an opinion agree or disagree so it came out and I basically said forget

it came out and I basically said forget

it came out and I basically said forget ash forget watchmojo historically the

ash forget watchmojo historically the

ash forget watchmojo historically the most successful montreal but you could

most successful montreal but you could

most successful montreal but you could replace montreal for canada

replace montreal for canada

replace montreal for canada entrepreneurs have basically had to

entrepreneurs have basically had to

entrepreneurs have basically had to leave this city state province and

leave this city state province and

leave this city state province and country to become successful only when

country to become successful only when

country to become successful only when they leave and they become successful

they leave and they become successful

they leave and they become successful are they then come back and then it’s

are they then come back and then it’s

are they then come back and then it’s like you go from good luck with that

like you go from good luck with that

like you go from good luck with that business buddy to pal too I’ve always

business buddy to pal too I’ve always

business buddy to pal too I’ve always believed in you buddy you know so it’s

believed in you buddy you know so it’s

believed in you buddy you know so it’s just like and I’m just saying it’s a

just like and I’m just saying it’s a

just like and I’m just saying it’s a shame now what I said was times have

shame now what I said was times have

shame now what I said was times have changed thankfully there is a new

changed thankfully there is a new

changed thankfully there is a new movement a new crop of investors who are

movement a new crop of investors who are

movement a new crop of investors who are trying to back entrepreneurs I’m saying

trying to back entrepreneurs I’m saying

trying to back entrepreneurs I’m saying that’s very exciting but I’m basically

that’s very exciting but I’m basically

that’s very exciting but I’m basically challenging those investors saying

challenging those investors saying

challenging those investors saying forget watchmojo forget ash the world

forget watchmojo forget ash the world

forget watchmojo forget ash the world doesn’t owe me anything doesn’t know

doesn’t owe me anything doesn’t know

doesn’t owe me anything doesn’t know anybody anything the world was here

anybody anything the world was here

anybody anything the world was here before you entered the world and it’ll

before you entered the world and it’ll

before you entered the world and it’ll be here when you die and leave but you

be here when you die and leave but you

be here when you die and leave but you have a choice to make which is either

have a choice to make which is either

have a choice to make which is either you become part of the crusty old

you become part of the crusty old

you become part of the crusty old establishment that turns their back on a

establishment that turns their back on a

establishment that turns their back on a lot of entrepreneurs who like me maybe

lot of entrepreneurs who like me maybe

lot of entrepreneurs who like me maybe are not going to be so verbose and talk

are not going to be so verbose and talk

are not going to be so verbose and talk about it but they’re just going to be

about it but they’re just going to be

about it but they’re just going to be like forgotten and shut down their

like forgotten and shut down their

like forgotten and shut down their businesses or you could say you know

businesses or you could say you know

businesses or you could say you know what screw it we are going to maybe back

what screw it we are going to maybe back

what screw it we are going to maybe back those entrepreneurs that are a bit rough

those entrepreneurs that are a bit rough

those entrepreneurs that are a bit rough around the edges but who have good

around the edges but who have good

around the edges but who have good intentions and who are building the job

intentions and who are building the job

intentions and who are building the job and I even you know it was sort of a you

and I even you know it was sort of a you

and I even you know it was sort of a you know again when you write something

know again when you write something

know again when you write something you’d be lying if you said there’s no

you’d be lying if you said there’s no

you’d be lying if you said there’s no double on tons part of it was a time

double on tons part of it was a time

double on tons part of it was a time stamps that if we watch module get up

stamps that if we watch module get up

stamps that if we watch module get up turn our backs to the city and go

turn our backs to the city and go

turn our backs to the city and go relocate to New York nobody should come

relocate to New York nobody should come

relocate to New York nobody should come back and say oh my god these guys were

back and say oh my god these guys were

back and say oh my god these guys were sellouts at the end of the day vice was

sellouts at the end of the day vice was

sellouts at the end of the day vice was also starred in Montreal it’s now based

also starred in Montreal it’s now based

also starred in Montreal it’s now based in Brooklyn it’s printing money they

in Brooklyn it’s printing money they

in Brooklyn it’s printing money they only did that because they left Montreal

only did that because they left Montreal

only did that because they left Montreal all of the most successful companies

all of the most successful companies

all of the most successful companies Lewis Cirque du Soleil they had to get

Lewis Cirque du Soleil they had to get

Lewis Cirque du Soleil they had to get up and leave and now they’re like the

up and leave and now they’re like the

up and leave and now they’re like the greatest export after Celine Dion the

greatest export after Celine Dion the

greatest export after Celine Dion the point is it is a challenge I’d be lying

point is it is a challenge I’d be lying

point is it is a challenge I’d be lying if it wasn’t but this notion that you

if it wasn’t but this notion that you

if it wasn’t but this notion that you know I’m some bitter angry person it’s

know I’m some bitter angry person it’s

know I’m some bitter angry person it’s the opposite i’m generally happy but if

the opposite i’m generally happy but if

the opposite i’m generally happy but if you know it’s it’s it’s not a it’s not a

you know it’s it’s it’s not a it’s not a

you know it’s it’s it’s not a it’s not a stick and it is a stick when you write

stick and it is a stick when you write

stick and it is a stick when you write you need to have a voice and that’s what

you need to have a voice and that’s what

you need to have a voice and that’s what it is and its people should have fun

it is and its people should have fun

it is and its people should have fun with it and that’s it and the truth

with it and that’s it and the truth

with it and that’s it and the truth hurts at the end of the day so if some

hurts at the end of the day so if some

hurts at the end of the day so if some people were offended maybe there’s some

people were offended maybe there’s some

people were offended maybe there’s some truth in what I said all right should I

truth in what I said all right should I

truth in what I said all right should I be looking to buy a house elsewhere no

be looking to buy a house elsewhere no

be looking to buy a house elsewhere no no no everything’s fine we’ll probably

no no everything’s fine we’ll probably

no no everything’s fine we’ll probably gonna stay here we love the weather here

gonna stay here we love the weather here

gonna stay here we love the weather here basically all that snow is good for your

basically all that snow is good for your

basically all that snow is good for your bones all right so this was show 23 next

bones all right so this was show 23 next

bones all right so this was show 23 next week we’ll see if CT Moors back or not I

week we’ll see if CT Moors back or not I

week we’ll see if CT Moors back or not I guess we have to send out the GPS to get

guess we have to send out the GPS to get

guess we have to send out the GPS to get him out of the cave

him out of the cave

him out of the cave you

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