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HipMojo 20B: Should RIM Drop Blackberry


welcome back to segment two of show 20

welcome back to segment two of show 20 we’re going to talk about research in

we’re going to talk about research in

we’re going to talk about research in motion the Canadian makers of the

motion the Canadian makers of the

motion the Canadian makers of the blackberry so touching on a few things

blackberry so touching on a few things

blackberry so touching on a few things they’re doing horribly let’s talk about

they’re doing horribly let’s talk about

they’re doing horribly let’s talk about that too amazon considered buying it so

that too amazon considered buying it so

that too amazon considered buying it so did nokia and microsoft who are already

did nokia and microsoft who are already

did nokia and microsoft who are already in bed and an article came out yesterday

in bed and an article came out yesterday

in bed and an article came out yesterday i think on ZDNet that very interesting

i think on ZDNet that very interesting

i think on ZDNet that very interesting it said would research in motion be in a

it said would research in motion be in a

it said would research in motion be in a better position if they killed the

better position if they killed the

better position if they killed the blackberry to focus on enterprise

blackberry to focus on enterprise

blackberry to focus on enterprise software and their patents so lots to

software and their patents so lots to

software and their patents so lots to cover take it away any one of those

cover take it away any one of those

cover take it away any one of those three points well I actually think their

three points well I actually think their

three points well I actually think their patents are probably there they’re the

patents are probably there they’re the

patents are probably there they’re the biggest asset right now like for example

biggest asset right now like for example

biggest asset right now like for example you google bought a few things this year

you google bought a few things this year

you google bought a few things this year they didn’t buy it because they were

they didn’t buy it because they were

they didn’t buy it because they were they just wanted two patents I think

they just wanted two patents I think

they just wanted two patents I think that’s the biggest thing that go going

that’s the biggest thing that go going

that’s the biggest thing that go going for them they totally screwed up on

for them they totally screwed up on

for them they totally screwed up on their their new operating system the two

their their new operating system the two

their their new operating system the two guys running it they did that kind of

guys running it they did that kind of

guys running it they did that kind of keeps screwing up so yeah I think they

keeps screwing up so yeah I think they

keeps screwing up so yeah I think they should probably cut their losses now

should probably cut their losses now

should probably cut their losses now well before the losses get too big

well before the losses get too big

well before the losses get too big sell-off for the patents and like just

sell-off for the patents and like just

sell-off for the patents and like just retire happily or move on to the next

retire happily or move on to the next

retire happily or move on to the next thing but I’m not even sure of

thing but I’m not even sure of

thing but I’m not even sure of enterprise software is the way for them

enterprise software is the way for them

enterprise software is the way for them to go this is so funny and I’m the same

to go this is so funny and I’m the same

to go this is so funny and I’m the same way so I’m when I’m criticizing what you

way so I’m when I’m criticizing what you

way so I’m when I’m criticizing what you just said I’m criticizing myself and

just said I’m criticizing myself and

just said I’m criticizing myself and everyone else it’s like I think when we

everyone else it’s like I think when we

everyone else it’s like I think when we get around and we pontificate over these

get around and we pontificate over these

get around and we pontificate over these matters it has to reflect reality the

matters it has to reflect reality the

matters it has to reflect reality the two guys are loaded they are probably

two guys are loaded they are probably

two guys are loaded they are probably set in their ways they were like gods of

set in their ways they were like gods of

set in their ways they were like gods of communication thanks to the blackberry

communication thanks to the blackberry

communication thanks to the blackberry they could care less as much as

they could care less as much as

they could care less as much as everybody is telling them you guys are

everybody is telling them you guys are

everybody is telling them you guys are idiots driving this company into the

idiots driving this company into the

idiots driving this company into the ground they don’t care they basically

ground they don’t care they basically

ground they don’t care they basically drop the ball at the playbook they had

drop the ball at the playbook they had

drop the ball at the playbook they had to write it off was a 485 million dollar

to write it off was a 485 million dollar

to write it off was a 485 million dollar right off and they could still care less

right off and they could still care less

right off and they could still care less so I don’t see them ever selling or

so I don’t see them ever selling or

so I don’t see them ever selling or getting rid of the blackberry because

getting rid of the blackberry because

getting rid of the blackberry because it’s like hubris and arrogance and greed

it’s like hubris and arrogance and greed

it’s like hubris and arrogance and greed you know sloth and all the seven sins

you know sloth and all the seven sins

you know sloth and all the seven sins piled into one I do think though that

piled into one I do think though that

piled into one I do think though that the problem is if Amazon or nokian

the problem is if Amazon or nokian

the problem is if Amazon or nokian Microsoft wanted to buy them amazon

Microsoft wanted to buy them amazon

Microsoft wanted to buy them amazon maybe could do interesting things nokia

maybe could do interesting things nokia

maybe could do interesting things nokia microsoft it’s you know could but

microsoft it’s you know could but

microsoft it’s you know could but they’re already sort of trying to figure

they’re already sort of trying to figure

they’re already sort of trying to figure out what’s what but the bigger issue is

out what’s what but the bigger issue is

out what’s what but the bigger issue is i don’t see the two research in motion

i don’t see the two research in motion

i don’t see the two research in motion founders see co-ceos that always works

founders see co-ceos that always works

founders see co-ceos that always works out really well one

out really well one

out really well one cell I don’t see them as some the life

cell I don’t see them as some the life

cell I don’t see them as some the life is good we’re making all this money

is good we’re making all this money

is good we’re making all this money we’re profitable doesn’t matter if we

we’re profitable doesn’t matter if we

we’re profitable doesn’t matter if we don’t even know how many freaking

don’t even know how many freaking

don’t even know how many freaking blackberry models are out there around

blackberry models are out there around

blackberry models are out there around the world you know life is good so I

the world you know life is good so I

the world you know life is good so I think that’s the bigger issue the only

think that’s the bigger issue the only

think that’s the bigger issue the only thing is that they’re worth less than

thing is that they’re worth less than

thing is that they’re worth less than their book value so I do think though

their book value so I do think though

their book value so I do think though that if there’s enough institutional

that if there’s enough institutional

that if there’s enough institutional shareholders out there hasn’t been very

shareholders out there hasn’t been very

shareholders out there hasn’t been very successful with AOL or yahoo i do see

successful with AOL or yahoo i do see

successful with AOL or yahoo i do see there being maybe some kind of like

there being maybe some kind of like

there being maybe some kind of like potential hostile takeover something

potential hostile takeover something

potential hostile takeover something like that where you know they’re not

like that where you know they’re not

like that where you know they’re not going to have a choice in the matter but

going to have a choice in the matter but

going to have a choice in the matter but but i actually like the Amazon buying

but i actually like the Amazon buying

but i actually like the Amazon buying them I think Amazon I think Amazon could

them I think Amazon I think Amazon could

them I think Amazon I think Amazon could do some interesting stuff with those

do some interesting stuff with those

do some interesting stuff with those patents specifically you know between

patents specifically you know between

patents specifically you know between their cloud services and their Kindle

their cloud services and their Kindle

their cloud services and their Kindle products I think that would be a good

products I think that would be a good

products I think that would be a good fit you know it’s almost like I would

fit you know it’s almost like I would

fit you know it’s almost like I would have even ventured that it might have

have even ventured that it might have

have even ventured that it might have made more sense for nokia to you know

made more sense for nokia to you know

made more sense for nokia to you know buy them or their patents than it would

buy them or their patents than it would

buy them or their patents than it would have made for nokia to get in bed with

have made for nokia to get in bed with

have made for nokia to get in bed with microsoft the way they did what do you

microsoft the way they did what do you

microsoft the way they did what do you think about the Nokia Microsoft deal um

think about the Nokia Microsoft deal um

think about the Nokia Microsoft deal um I guess in a certain sense okay nokia

I guess in a certain sense okay nokia

I guess in a certain sense okay nokia needed a new operating system symbian

needed a new operating system symbian

needed a new operating system symbian was dead me go wasn’t working out and

was dead me go wasn’t working out and

was dead me go wasn’t working out and Windows Phone 7 needed distribution I

Windows Phone 7 needed distribution I

Windows Phone 7 needed distribution I think the exclusivity was a mistake for

think the exclusivity was a mistake for

think the exclusivity was a mistake for nokia I think nokia has always been

nokia I think nokia has always been

nokia I think nokia has always been really good at hardware I love the

really good at hardware I love the

really good at hardware I love the cameras on their phone and I’ve played

cameras on their phone and I’ve played

cameras on their phone and I’ve played with a lot of Nokia’s over the years

with a lot of Nokia’s over the years

with a lot of Nokia’s over the years their weakness was already operating

their weakness was already operating

their weakness was already operating system I think they could have done some

system I think they could have done some

system I think they could have done some interesting stuff with Android Windows

interesting stuff with Android Windows

interesting stuff with Android Windows Phone 7 has a really is it like three

Phone 7 has a really is it like three

Phone 7 has a really is it like three percent of the US market share it’s it’s

percent of the US market share it’s it’s

percent of the US market share it’s it’s insignificant whatsoever and I think

insignificant whatsoever and I think

insignificant whatsoever and I think Nokia where they’re like okay we want to

Nokia where they’re like okay we want to

Nokia where they’re like okay we want to sell more devices so we want to get a

sell more devices so we want to get a

sell more devices so we want to get a better operating system they pretty much

better operating system they pretty much

better operating system they pretty much won exclusive with the least popular

won exclusive with the least popular

won exclusive with the least popular operating system okay interesting

operating system okay interesting

operating system okay interesting statement than a question then we can

statement than a question then we can

statement than a question then we can move on statement I think amazon said

move on statement I think amazon said

move on statement I think amazon said that they wanted to be an advertising

that they wanted to be an advertising

that they wanted to be an advertising player in other words get into the

player in other words get into the

player in other words get into the business of selling ads and myself and

business of selling ads and myself and

business of selling ads and myself and many people i think we misunderstood

many people i think we misunderstood

many people i think we misunderstood that thinking they’re going to become a

that thinking they’re going to become a

that thinking they’re going to become a main player online they generate

main player online they generate

main player online they generate billions of impressions already on

billions of impressions already on

billions of impressions already on amazon.com IMDb and any other property

amazon.com IMDb and any other property

amazon.com IMDb and any other property that they own but when you think that

that they own but when you think that

that they own but when you think that they launched the kindle fire tablet and

they launched the kindle fire tablet and

they launched the kindle fire tablet and that’s now giving them millions of

that’s now giving them millions of

that’s now giving them millions of hundreds of millions of impression each

hundreds of millions of impression each

hundreds of millions of impression each month in mobile on tablets so i think

month in mobile on tablets so i think

month in mobile on tablets so i think the reason why i don’t

the reason why i don’t

the reason why i don’t like the Amazon palm is that sorry the

like the Amazon palm is that sorry the

like the Amazon palm is that sorry the Amazon blackberry hookup is that the

Amazon blackberry hookup is that the

Amazon blackberry hookup is that the blackberry is a horrible browser for web

blackberry is a horrible browser for web

blackberry is a horrible browser for web browsing so in that sense there’s a

browsing so in that sense there’s a

browsing so in that sense there’s a disconnect there it would almost be like

disconnect there it would almost be like

disconnect there it would almost be like look look with the kindle fire we’re

look look with the kindle fire we’re

look look with the kindle fire we’re going ahead we’re sort of stepping into

going ahead we’re sort of stepping into

going ahead we’re sort of stepping into the 21st century and we’re going to

the 21st century and we’re going to

the 21st century and we’re going to compete with Apple but then in mobile

compete with Apple but then in mobile

compete with Apple but then in mobile we’re going to basically but back the

we’re going to basically but back the

we’re going to basically but back the blackberry which is great as a messaging

blackberry which is great as a messaging

blackberry which is great as a messaging platform and better a great phone better

platform and better a great phone better

platform and better a great phone better than let’s say the app of the iphone but

than let’s say the app of the iphone but

than let’s say the app of the iphone but it’s a crappy crappy web experience so

it’s a crappy crappy web experience so

it’s a crappy crappy web experience so that I think doesn’t make the blackberry

that I think doesn’t make the blackberry

that I think doesn’t make the blackberry I don’t think was ever designed to

I don’t think was ever designed to

I don’t think was ever designed to provide a primarily a web experience not

provide a primarily a web experience not

provide a primarily a web experience not was a communication and this was the

was a communication and this was the

was a communication and this was the problem with the two co-ceos they were

problem with the two co-ceos they were

problem with the two co-ceos they were like well these are useless tools nobody

like well these are useless tools nobody

like well these are useless tools nobody cares for this nobody possibly wants to

cares for this nobody possibly wants to

cares for this nobody possibly wants to surf the internet on a mobile which is

surf the internet on a mobile which is

surf the internet on a mobile which is obviously I mean go to any any place you

obviously I mean go to any any place you

obviously I mean go to any any place you are people are basically on their mobile

are people are basically on their mobile

are people are basically on their mobile one question then we can move on if you

one question then we can move on if you

one question then we can move on if you had to guess is blackberry Research In

had to guess is blackberry Research In

had to guess is blackberry Research In Motion more palm or Apple in other words

Motion more palm or Apple in other words

Motion more palm or Apple in other words is it basically just going to despair or

is it basically just going to despair or

is it basically just going to despair or is it going to come back I think it’s

is it going to come back I think it’s

is it going to come back I think it’s it’s definitely more palm hands down

it’s definitely more palm hands down

it’s definitely more palm hands down somber message right there all right

somber message right there all right

somber message right there all right we’re gonna take a short break come back

we’re gonna take a short break come back

we’re gonna take a short break come back with lightning round

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