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I speak fluent white people my black

I speak fluent white people my black people is pretty good but I’m not fluent

people is pretty good but I’m not fluent

people is pretty good but I’m not fluent I learned white people on army bases

I learned white people on army bases

I learned white people on army bases when my father was a military officer

when my father was a military officer

when my father was a military officer I learned black people at home a little

I learned black people at home a little

I learned black people at home a little bit of high school I went to an

bit of high school I went to an

bit of high school I went to an all-black college but it’s never been my

all-black college but it’s never been my

all-black college but it’s never been my native tongue of course having fluency

native tongue of course having fluency

native tongue of course having fluency in one language and a skilled

in one language and a skilled

in one language and a skilled proficiency in the other did not mean

proficiency in the other did not mean

proficiency in the other did not mean that I fit in to either world I was

that I fit in to either world I was

that I fit in to either world I was about 14 in Morgantown West Virginia I

about 14 in Morgantown West Virginia I

about 14 in Morgantown West Virginia I was in junior high school when a white

was in junior high school when a white

was in junior high school when a white male classmate called me nigga my

male classmate called me nigga my

male classmate called me nigga my fluency in language was completely

fluency in language was completely

fluency in language was completely immaterial to him

immaterial to him

immaterial to him I had no space and no place in his world

I had no space and no place in his world

I had no space and no place in his world he was happy to let me know years

he was happy to let me know years

he was happy to let me know years earlier I lived in Institute West

earlier I lived in Institute West

earlier I lived in Institute West Virginia and I went there the elementary

Virginia and I went there the elementary

Virginia and I went there the elementary school there was a small school that was

school there was a small school that was

school there was a small school that was placed on a college campus it was my

placed on a college campus it was my

placed on a college campus it was my first all-black school experience one

first all-black school experience one

first all-black school experience one day a friend and I were walking home

day a friend and I were walking home

day a friend and I were walking home from school and then we got into a

from school and then we got into a

from school and then we got into a quarrel my friend was too light-skinned

quarrel my friend was too light-skinned

quarrel my friend was too light-skinned kind of a cafe au lait with a lot of lay

kind of a cafe au lait with a lot of lay

kind of a cafe au lait with a lot of lay I was as you kind of see me now a walnut

I was as you kind of see me now a walnut

I was as you kind of see me now a walnut colored maybe pecan anyway I don’t

colored maybe pecan anyway I don’t

colored maybe pecan anyway I don’t remember why we quarreled but I remember

remember why we quarreled but I remember

remember why we quarreled but I remember her face contorted and anger as she

her face contorted and anger as she

her face contorted and anger as she looked at me and said you are black and

looked at me and said you are black and

looked at me and said you are black and ugly

this was the mid-1960s before black had

this was the mid-1960s before black had been changed into a self-affirmation a

been changed into a self-affirmation a

been changed into a self-affirmation a common as self-affirmation and pride at

common as self-affirmation and pride at

common as self-affirmation and pride at that time it was probably one of the

that time it was probably one of the

that time it was probably one of the worst things that one Negro could say to

worst things that one Negro could say to

worst things that one Negro could say to another I ran home sobbing when my

another I ran home sobbing when my

another I ran home sobbing when my classmate had called me nigger it had

classmate had called me nigger it had

classmate had called me nigger it had been painful it had been unnecessary but

been painful it had been unnecessary but

been painful it had been unnecessary but it wasn’t a surprise I mean my world had

it wasn’t a surprise I mean my world had

it wasn’t a surprise I mean my world had somewhat prepared me for that but when

somewhat prepared me for that but when

somewhat prepared me for that but when my friend when my friend called me black

my friend when my friend called me black

my friend when my friend called me black and ugly

and ugly

and ugly I had no armor to protect me against

I had no armor to protect me against

I had no armor to protect me against that it took my mother’s arms and a poem

that it took my mother’s arms and a poem

that it took my mother’s arms and a poem written by my great grandmother to kind

written by my great grandmother to kind

written by my great grandmother to kind of calm me down my favorite lines of the

of calm me down my favorite lines of the

of calm me down my favorite lines of the poem are I speak of the charms of the

poem are I speak of the charms of the

poem are I speak of the charms of the gentle brown arms and the eyes that

gentle brown arms and the eyes that

gentle brown arms and the eyes that reflect the sunlight as a little black

reflect the sunlight as a little black

reflect the sunlight as a little black girl those words were the first other

girl those words were the first other

girl those words were the first other than things that I had heard within my

than things that I had heard within my

than things that I had heard within my family they were the first to assure me

family they were the first to assure me

family they were the first to assure me that what I was mattered who I was

that what I was mattered who I was

that what I was mattered who I was mattered they assured me still

in retrospect I learn from those

in retrospect I learn from those experiences and others like them that

experiences and others like them that

experiences and others like them that regardless of what people assumed when

regardless of what people assumed when

regardless of what people assumed when they saw me or when they heard me I did

they saw me or when they heard me I did

they saw me or when they heard me I did not belong in either the black or the

not belong in either the black or the

not belong in either the black or the white world I also learned that words

white world I also learned that words

white world I also learned that words can change and shape reality what those

can change and shape reality what those

can change and shape reality what those kids said to me not only had an impact

kids said to me not only had an impact

kids said to me not only had an impact on how I understood myself but also on

on how I understood myself but also on

on how I understood myself but also on my ability to navigate my environment

my ability to navigate my environment

my ability to navigate my environment regardless of whether or not I believed

regardless of whether or not I believed

regardless of whether or not I believed their characterization of me I still had

their characterization of me I still had

their characterization of me I still had to maneuver around their perspectives

to maneuver around their perspectives

to maneuver around their perspectives and the impact those perspectives had on

and the impact those perspectives had on

and the impact those perspectives had on my life words have power they impact how

my life words have power they impact how

my life words have power they impact how we think and act and sometimes words

we think and act and sometimes words

we think and act and sometimes words take us down a path where we really

take us down a path where we really

take us down a path where we really don’t want to go

don’t want to go

don’t want to go inclusion is one of those words the

inclusion is one of those words the

inclusion is one of those words the latest in a long line of descriptors

latest in a long line of descriptors

latest in a long line of descriptors that help people to think about how to

that help people to think about how to

that help people to think about how to interact with folks who frankly are not

interact with folks who frankly are not

interact with folks who frankly are not like us inclusion is the descendant of

like us inclusion is the descendant of

like us inclusion is the descendant of words such as affirmative action equal

words such as affirmative action equal

words such as affirmative action equal opportunity tolerance diversity and it

opportunity tolerance diversity and it

opportunity tolerance diversity and it seems to suggest the state it seems to

seems to suggest the state it seems to

seems to suggest the state it seems to promise a state with those who are not

promise a state with those who are not

promise a state with those who are not included finally get to come into the

included finally get to come into the

included finally get to come into the club the problem is that it doesn’t

club the problem is that it doesn’t

club the problem is that it doesn’t deliver on what it promises when

deliver on what it promises when

deliver on what it promises when we were writing our book leading in

we were writing our book leading in

we were writing our book leading in black and white my co-author keith caver

black and white my co-author keith caver

black and white my co-author keith caver and i talked to many organizations and

and i talked to many organizations and

and i talked to many organizations and talked to those organizations and many

talked to those organizations and many

talked to those organizations and many of them talked about the wonder and

of them talked about the wonder and

of them talked about the wonder and power of inclusion at the same time they

power of inclusion at the same time they

power of inclusion at the same time they were tightly monitoring the behaviors of

were tightly monitoring the behaviors of

were tightly monitoring the behaviors of those who are different we had a they

those who are different we had a they

those who are different we had a they would watch black managers and those

would watch black managers and those

would watch black managers and those managers those black managers hired

managers those black managers hired

managers those black managers hired mostly black employees we’re typically

mostly black employees we’re typically

mostly black employees we’re typically viewed with suspicion and their higher

viewed with suspicion and their higher

viewed with suspicion and their higher EES were often assumed to be less

EES were often assumed to be less

EES were often assumed to be less qualified well white managers who hired

qualified well white managers who hired

qualified well white managers who hired mostly white employees we’re typically

mostly white employees we’re typically

mostly white employees we’re typically viewed as being well completely

viewed as being well completely

viewed as being well completely unremarkable the thing is that

unremarkable the thing is that

unremarkable the thing is that inclusions suggests an openness to

inclusions suggests an openness to

inclusions suggests an openness to difference that doesn’t really exist and

difference that doesn’t really exist and

difference that doesn’t really exist and that’s because the gatekeepers have the

that’s because the gatekeepers have the

that’s because the gatekeepers have the power to choose who gets to be included

power to choose who gets to be included

power to choose who gets to be included and to come in how long they get to stay

and to come in how long they get to stay

and to come in how long they get to stay and if maybe they need to put at B put

and if maybe they need to put at B put

and if maybe they need to put at B put how they get to shape the behaviors of

how they get to shape the behaviors of

how they get to shape the behaviors of those they have included and that’s

those they have included and that’s

those they have included and that’s because they set the norms and the norms

because they set the norms and the norms

because they set the norms and the norms are typically set for the people who the

are typically set for the people who the

are typically set for the people who the standard of the include errs and not

standard of the include errs and not

standard of the include errs and not from the standard of those being

from the standard of those being

from the standard of those being included that’s why when I hear

included that’s why when I hear

included that’s why when I hear organizations and people talk about

organizations and people talk about

organizations and people talk about inclusion frankly I cringe as Maxine

inclusion frankly I cringe as Maxine

inclusion frankly I cringe as Maxine green said in 1993 I keep pondering the

green said in 1993 I keep pondering the

green said in 1993 I keep pondering the meaning of inclusion and wondering how

meaning of inclusion and wondering how

meaning of inclusion and wondering how it can occur without the kind of

it can occur without the kind of

it can occur without the kind of normalization that whites out difference

normalization that whites out difference

normalization that whites out difference four sees me forcing them to be

four sees me forcing them to be

four sees me forcing them to be repressed to become

repressed to become

repressed to become matters of shame rather than pride now

matters of shame rather than pride now

matters of shame rather than pride now this is not just a theoretical concept

this is not just a theoretical concept

this is not just a theoretical concept some years ago there was an internet

some years ago there was an internet

some years ago there was an internet meme that was going around that said

meme that was going around that said

meme that was going around that said that if the Voting Rights Act was not

that if the Voting Rights Act was not

that if the Voting Rights Act was not renewed african-americans would lose the

renewed african-americans would lose the

renewed african-americans would lose the right to vote okay now this was

right to vote okay now this was

right to vote okay now this was laughably incorrect

laughably incorrect

laughably incorrect it was the Fifteenth Amendment not the

it was the Fifteenth Amendment not the

it was the Fifteenth Amendment not the Voting Rights Act that gave black people

Voting Rights Act that gave black people

Voting Rights Act that gave black people the right to vote but the fact that this

the right to vote but the fact that this

the right to vote but the fact that this mean connected with people that they

mean connected with people that they

mean connected with people that they were concerned suggests that their

were concerned suggests that their

were concerned suggests that their notion is somewhat similar to mine and

notion is somewhat similar to mine and

notion is somewhat similar to mine and it’s not just about african-americans

it’s not just about african-americans

it’s not just about african-americans for example I have some very dear

for example I have some very dear

for example I have some very dear friends who recently got married it’s a

friends who recently got married it’s a

friends who recently got married it’s a gay couple who lives in Washington DC

gay couple who lives in Washington DC

gay couple who lives in Washington DC and soon after they got married the

and soon after they got married the

and soon after they got married the political climate changed and then soon

political climate changed and then soon

political climate changed and then soon after they had been included into this

after they had been included into this

after they had been included into this institution it suddenly began to feel

institution it suddenly began to feel

institution it suddenly began to feel more fragile one of them said to me I’m

more fragile one of them said to me I’m

more fragile one of them said to me I’m afraid that they’re going to annul our

afraid that they’re going to annul our

afraid that they’re going to annul our marriage those of us who are different

marriage those of us who are different

marriage those of us who are different live with the knowledge that gains made

live with the knowledge that gains made

live with the knowledge that gains made may not be permanent we we learn the

may not be permanent we we learn the

may not be permanent we we learn the rules and and and and we we follow them

rules and and and and we we follow them

rules and and and and we we follow them but we’re often concerned that if we

but we’re often concerned that if we

but we’re often concerned that if we bend them too much or break we will be

bend them too much or break we will be

bend them too much or break we will be put out of the club think for a moment a

put out of the club think for a moment a

put out of the club think for a moment a former First Lady Michelle Obama

former First Lady Michelle Obama

former First Lady Michelle Obama how do you think she would have been

how do you think she would have been

how do you think she would have been received if she wore her hair

received if she wore her hair

received if she wore her hair something like mine I think my hair is

something like mine I think my hair is

something like mine I think my hair is neat it doesn’t muster fuss and you can

neat it doesn’t muster fuss and you can

neat it doesn’t muster fuss and you can wear it in formal and in informal

wear it in formal and in informal

wear it in formal and in informal occasions but the mind kind of boggles

occasions but the mind kind of boggles

occasions but the mind kind of boggles at the idea of a first lady who wore her

at the idea of a first lady who wore her

at the idea of a first lady who wore her hair naturally or this short or think of

hair naturally or this short or think of

hair naturally or this short or think of a Jewish president turning on the lights

a Jewish president turning on the lights

a Jewish president turning on the lights of the menorah or a Muslim president who

of the menorah or a Muslim president who

of the menorah or a Muslim president who observed daily prayers and wore hijab of

observed daily prayers and wore hijab of

observed daily prayers and wore hijab of course the question is why does this

course the question is why does this

course the question is why does this matter why does any of this matter it

matter why does any of this matter it

matter why does any of this matter it matters because the nation and the world

matters because the nation and the world

matters because the nation and the world are changing and the changes are so fast

are changing and the changes are so fast

are changing and the changes are so fast vast and so huge that it will require

vast and so huge that it will require

vast and so huge that it will require all of us all of us to think differently

last year Pew Research put out a study

last year Pew Research put out a study and was really talking about change for

and was really talking about change for

and was really talking about change for example they talked about how the family

example they talked about how the family

example they talked about how the family is changing but we have more blended

is changing but we have more blended

is changing but we have more blended families more people are cohabitating

families more people are cohabitating

families more people are cohabitating they’re more divorces than there have

they’re more divorces than there have

they’re more divorces than there have been there are more women leaders around

been there are more women leaders around

been there are more women leaders around the world not enough but more they also

the world not enough but more they also

the world not enough but more they also said that by 2050 five there will be no

said that by 2050 five there will be no

said that by 2050 five there will be no majority ethnic or religious groups in

majority ethnic or religious groups in

majority ethnic or religious groups in this country already we know that there

this country already we know that there

this country already we know that there are more biracial and multiracial

are more biracial and multiracial

are more biracial and multiracial marriages the percentage of multiracial

marriages the percentage of multiracial

marriages the percentage of multiracial children being born is currently higher

children being born is currently higher

children being born is currently higher than the percentage of

than the percentage of

than the percentage of no ethnic children being born today now

no ethnic children being born today now

no ethnic children being born today now to some this new reality is almost

to some this new reality is almost

to some this new reality is almost unthinkable because it is a

unthinkable because it is a

unthinkable because it is a transgression against the rules of

transgression against the rules of

transgression against the rules of inclusion the rules that demand like a

inclusion the rules that demand like a

inclusion the rules that demand like a velvet hammer that we conform to certain

velvet hammer that we conform to certain

velvet hammer that we conform to certain behaviors around look and language and

behaviors around look and language and

behaviors around look and language and love and appearance

love and appearance

love and appearance many of these standards which many of us

many of these standards which many of us

many of these standards which many of us had no part in creating it is time to

had no part in creating it is time to

had no part in creating it is time to change to a new language to think beyond

change to a new language to think beyond

change to a new language to think beyond the language of inclusion to find words

the language of inclusion to find words

the language of inclusion to find words that help us to create a new mindset so

that help us to create a new mindset so

that help us to create a new mindset so that we can build a new reality instead

that we can build a new reality instead

that we can build a new reality instead of inclusion let’s consider mutuality

mutuality means that we all walk forward

mutuality means that we all walk forward together

together

together nobody needs to be included because by

nobody needs to be included because by

nobody needs to be included because by definition we are already part of the

definition we are already part of the

definition we are already part of the group mutuality means that we accept

group mutuality means that we accept

group mutuality means that we accept difference glory in it expect it learn

difference glory in it expect it learn

difference glory in it expect it learn from it all without fear it means that

from it all without fear it means that

from it all without fear it means that we create our norms together that we

we create our norms together that we

we create our norms together that we choose the ones that we think are best

choose the ones that we think are best

choose the ones that we think are best for us and that we do it

for us and that we do it

for us and that we do it along with allowing variation and that

along with allowing variation and that

along with allowing variation and that we don’t punish people and spoken and

we don’t punish people and spoken and

we don’t punish people and spoken and unspoken ways if they don’t fit into our

unspoken ways if they don’t fit into our

unspoken ways if they don’t fit into our little kind of bubble here

let’s begin to think then about the

let’s begin to think then about the power of ideas and first I would say

power of ideas and first I would say

power of ideas and first I would say that as we consider this idea of

that as we consider this idea of

that as we consider this idea of mutuality it does not dismiss or take

mutuality it does not dismiss or take

mutuality it does not dismiss or take away from the problems and issues of our

away from the problems and issues of our

away from the problems and issues of our shared past but what it does try to do

shared past but what it does try to do

shared past but what it does try to do is to give us an equal playing field

is to give us an equal playing field

is to give us an equal playing field where we can talk about those issues

where we can talk about those issues

where we can talk about those issues together I know that this is an idea but

together I know that this is an idea but

together I know that this is an idea but ideas are powerful things a few years

ideas are powerful things a few years

ideas are powerful things a few years ago I was in Johannesburg South Africa

ago I was in Johannesburg South Africa

ago I was in Johannesburg South Africa and there with some colleagues we went

and there with some colleagues we went

and there with some colleagues we went to Gandhi Square and we stood under the

to Gandhi Square and we stood under the

to Gandhi Square and we stood under the shadow of the great man statue talking

shadow of the great man statue talking

shadow of the great man statue talking about the power of an idea Gandhi came

about the power of an idea Gandhi came

about the power of an idea Gandhi came up with the power of non-violent protest

up with the power of non-violent protest

up with the power of non-violent protest out of the pain of apartheid and he he

out of the pain of apartheid and he he

out of the pain of apartheid and he he took that idea and he took it home to

took that idea and he took it home to

took that idea and he took it home to India where he applied it and where he

India where he applied it and where he

India where he applied it and where he had some success and then Martin Luther

had some success and then Martin Luther

had some success and then Martin Luther King came some years later and took the

King came some years later and took the

King came some years later and took the idea and brought it to the states where

idea and brought it to the states where

idea and brought it to the states where he had some success and then Nelson

he had some success and then Nelson

he had some success and then Nelson Mandela took that idea and brought it

Mandela took that idea and brought it

Mandela took that idea and brought it back home

back home

back home where he had some success

where he had some success

where he had some success Gandhi’s idea literally went around the

Gandhi’s idea literally went around the

Gandhi’s idea literally went around the world and changed old realities into new

world and changed old realities into new

world and changed old realities into new ones let’s talk about mutuality let’s

ones let’s talk about mutuality let’s

ones let’s talk about mutuality let’s chew on it

chew on it

chew on it let’s bring people in the conversations

let’s bring people in the conversations

let’s bring people in the conversations let’s let it haunt our thoughts let us

let’s let it haunt our thoughts let us

let’s let it haunt our thoughts let us question ourselves ruthlessly answer

question ourselves ruthlessly answer

question ourselves ruthlessly answer ourselves honestly and be willing to see

ourselves honestly and be willing to see

ourselves honestly and be willing to see what can be rather than what is this

what can be rather than what is this

what can be rather than what is this idea is just being born and it will take

idea is just being born and it will take

idea is just being born and it will take all of us all of us to be midwives all

all of us all of us to be midwives all

all of us all of us to be midwives all of us to be there at its creation all of

of us to be there at its creation all of

of us to be there at its creation all of us to put in our hopes and our

us to put in our hopes and our

us to put in our hopes and our perspectives all of us to challenge and

perspectives all of us to challenge and

perspectives all of us to challenge and push each other this is not going to be

push each other this is not going to be

push each other this is not going to be easy in fact it’s going to be really

easy in fact it’s going to be really

easy in fact it’s going to be really hard but when we are done we will have

hard but when we are done we will have

hard but when we are done we will have created something that is ours something

created something that is ours something

created something that is ours something that we did mutually

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