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Why ‘What Do You Want To Be When You Grow Up? Is the Wrong Question | Amy Shaffer | TEDxSaltLakeCity


[Applause]

[Applause] do you remember the first time someone

do you remember the first time someone

do you remember the first time someone asked you what do you want to be when

asked you what do you want to be when

asked you what do you want to be when you grow up do you remember what you

you grow up do you remember what you

you grow up do you remember what you thought what you said this is my first

thought what you said this is my first

thought what you said this is my first answer to that question at about age 6

answer to that question at about age 6

answer to that question at about age 6 for those of you who can’t quite make

for those of you who can’t quite make

for those of you who can’t quite make out what this is

out what this is

out what this is it’s a bagpiper I was a bit of an odd

it’s a bagpiper I was a bit of an odd

it’s a bagpiper I was a bit of an odd six-year-old but to be fair I wasn’t

six-year-old but to be fair I wasn’t

six-year-old but to be fair I wasn’t thinking in terms of a viable future

thinking in terms of a viable future

thinking in terms of a viable future profession in the honorable art of

profession in the honorable art of

profession in the honorable art of bagpiping there isn’t one by the way I

bagpiping there isn’t one by the way I

bagpiping there isn’t one by the way I was trying to express something that had

was trying to express something that had

was trying to express something that had captured and shaped my imagination at

captured and shaped my imagination at

captured and shaped my imagination at the time think back to some of your

the time think back to some of your

the time think back to some of your earliest responses to that question

earliest responses to that question

earliest responses to that question maybe you’ll notice a similar pattern

maybe you’ll notice a similar pattern

maybe you’ll notice a similar pattern because when you really look at it this

because when you really look at it this

because when you really look at it this question is actually kind of sneaky it’s

question is actually kind of sneaky it’s

question is actually kind of sneaky it’s an adult march into our child mind and

an adult march into our child mind and

an adult march into our child mind and world asking us to explain it’s strange

world asking us to explain it’s strange

world asking us to explain it’s strange wild landscape in the form of an

wild landscape in the form of an

wild landscape in the form of an industry and an occupation it’s an

industry and an occupation it’s an

industry and an occupation it’s an attempt to make landfall plant a flag

attempt to make landfall plant a flag

attempt to make landfall plant a flag and start colonizing is it any wonder

and start colonizing is it any wonder

and start colonizing is it any wonder that the question that we adults feel

that the question that we adults feel

that the question that we adults feel most comfortable asking someone we just

most comfortable asking someone we just

most comfortable asking someone we just met is so what do you do the loneliness

met is so what do you do the loneliness

met is so what do you do the loneliness that I’ve ever felt is when I woke up

that I’ve ever felt is when I woke up

that I’ve ever felt is when I woke up one day as a full-on grown-up and

one day as a full-on grown-up and

one day as a full-on grown-up and realized that I’d focus for so long on

realized that I’d focus for so long on

realized that I’d focus for so long on what I wanted to be or what I thought I

what I wanted to be or what I thought I

what I wanted to be or what I thought I was supposed to want to be that I didn’t

was supposed to want to be that I didn’t

was supposed to want to be that I didn’t know who I actually was the stories in

know who I actually was the stories in

know who I actually was the stories in my head had stopped the portals in my

my head had stopped the portals in my

my head had stopped the portals in my universe had been closed the bagpiper

universe had been closed the bagpiper

universe had been closed the bagpiper had gone silent it was in the middle of

had gone silent it was in the middle of

had gone silent it was in the middle of this time of loneliness and confusion

this time of loneliness and confusion

this time of loneliness and confusion that wonder appeared to me as real as

that wonder appeared to me as real as

that wonder appeared to me as real as any imaginary friend and invited me to

any imaginary friend and invited me to

any imaginary friend and invited me to get to know it

get to know it

get to know it I didn’t know it at the time but this

I didn’t know it at the time but this

I didn’t know it at the time but this relationship with wonder would reshape

relationship with wonder would reshape

relationship with wonder would reshape every aspect of my life mind and work it

every aspect of my life mind and work it

every aspect of my life mind and work it would lead me to quit my job change my

would lead me to quit my job change my

would lead me to quit my job change my beliefs and meet and work with kids all

beliefs and meet and work with kids all

beliefs and meet and work with kids all over the world and it would show me

over the world and it would show me

over the world and it would show me what’s possible when you ask a better

what’s possible when you ask a better

what’s possible when you ask a better question one that I’m here to share with

question one that I’m here to share with

question one that I’m here to share with you what if instead of asking kids what

you what if instead of asking kids what

you what if instead of asking kids what do you want to be when you grow up we

do you want to be when you grow up we

do you want to be when you grow up we asked them what do you wonder about this

asked them what do you wonder about this

asked them what do you wonder about this simple shift holds great power and

simple shift holds great power and

simple shift holds great power and permission to bring back things within

permission to bring back things within

permission to bring back things within ourselves that we might have long

ourselves that we might have long

ourselves that we might have long forgotten to believe that there is much

forgotten to believe that there is much

forgotten to believe that there is much we have yet to imagine and to share that

we have yet to imagine and to share that

we have yet to imagine and to share that rich world with each other I want to

rich world with each other I want to

rich world with each other I want to talk more about how this happens but

talk more about how this happens but

talk more about how this happens but first another question why aren’t we

first another question why aren’t we

first another question why aren’t we doing this already to answer that we

doing this already to answer that we

doing this already to answer that we have to look at what wonder really is if

have to look at what wonder really is if

have to look at what wonder really is if you were to look around you today for

you were to look around you today for

you were to look around you today for our cultural view of wonder

our cultural view of wonder

our cultural view of wonder you’d be likely to see bright colors big

you’d be likely to see bright colors big

you’d be likely to see bright colors big letters and aspirational add like

letters and aspirational add like

letters and aspirational add like messages none of these things are wrong

messages none of these things are wrong

messages none of these things are wrong or untrue wonder is in fact a wonderful

or untrue wonder is in fact a wonderful

or untrue wonder is in fact a wonderful thing but it’s a bit OneNote and there’s

thing but it’s a bit OneNote and there’s

thing but it’s a bit OneNote and there’s a reason for this slightly anesthetized

a reason for this slightly anesthetized

a reason for this slightly anesthetized oversimplification wonder if you look

oversimplification wonder if you look

oversimplification wonder if you look with a sharper focus is ambiguous

with a sharper focus is ambiguous

with a sharper focus is ambiguous duplicitous even looking at the origins

duplicitous even looking at the origins

duplicitous even looking at the origins of the word wonder starts to tell us why

of the word wonder starts to tell us why

of the word wonder starts to tell us why it ranges from the Old English one

it ranges from the Old English one

it ranges from the Old English one drienne meaning a marvellous thing or a

drienne meaning a marvellous thing or a

drienne meaning a marvellous thing or a miracle to the middle English one door

miracle to the middle English one door

miracle to the middle English one door meaning to entertain some doubt or

meaning to entertain some doubt or

meaning to entertain some doubt or curiosity to finally the German word

curiosity to finally the German word

curiosity to finally the German word vonda meaning an opening or wound so on

vonda meaning an opening or wound so on

vonda meaning an opening or wound so on the one hand wonder represents the act

the one hand wonder represents the act

the one hand wonder represents the act of questioning the reaching out to

of questioning the reaching out to

of questioning the reaching out to advance what we know on the other it

advance what we know on the other it

advance what we know on the other it represents a feeling discovery or

represents a feeling discovery or

represents a feeling discovery or experience that causes us to let go of

experience that causes us to let go of

experience that causes us to let go of what we thought we knew in a sweeping

what we thought we knew in a sweeping

what we thought we knew in a sweeping moment of

moment of

moment of ah the result of either of these things

ah the result of either of these things

ah the result of either of these things create something new and dismantle

create something new and dismantle

create something new and dismantle something known at the same time

something known at the same time

something known at the same time something which can be experienced as

something which can be experienced as

something which can be experienced as incredible or painful depending on our

incredible or painful depending on our

incredible or painful depending on our vantage point that’s all in there in

vantage point that’s all in there in

vantage point that’s all in there in that one little word in our society

that one little word in our society

that one little word in our society built on and addicted to speed

built on and addicted to speed

built on and addicted to speed convenience and the domination of the

convenience and the domination of the

convenience and the domination of the known no wonder we feel the need to tame

known no wonder we feel the need to tame

known no wonder we feel the need to tame it and yet to bring wonder into our

it and yet to bring wonder into our

it and yet to bring wonder into our lives in a real way we have to

lives in a real way we have to

lives in a real way we have to acknowledge that this seeming

acknowledge that this seeming

acknowledge that this seeming contradiction as uncomfortable as it can

contradiction as uncomfortable as it can

contradiction as uncomfortable as it can be is actually part of its nature and

be is actually part of its nature and

be is actually part of its nature and can help us to understand our own I

can help us to understand our own I

can help us to understand our own I discovered this while working with a

discovered this while working with a

discovered this while working with a remarkable group of people to build the

remarkable group of people to build the

remarkable group of people to build the wonderment when I tell people that my

wonderment when I tell people that my

wonderment when I tell people that my job for the last six years has been to

job for the last six years has been to

job for the last six years has been to support kids around the world to use

support kids around the world to use

support kids around the world to use their sense of wonder to build a new

their sense of wonder to build a new

their sense of wonder to build a new sense of humanity together I usually get

sense of humanity together I usually get

sense of humanity together I usually get a look and if that look had a sound it

a look and if that look had a sound it

a look and if that look had a sound it would be right but guess what it’s a

would be right but guess what it’s a

would be right but guess what it’s a real thing we built a nonprofit web

real thing we built a nonprofit web

real thing we built a nonprofit web platform and where kids could gather and

platform and where kids could gather and

platform and where kids could gather and share what they imagined in their

share what they imagined in their

share what they imagined in their neighborhoods in the world we knew that

neighborhoods in the world we knew that

neighborhoods in the world we knew that it wasn’t enough just to encourage kids

it wasn’t enough just to encourage kids

it wasn’t enough just to encourage kids to wonder we knew that they needed to

to wonder we knew that they needed to

to wonder we knew that they needed to experience the power of sharing that

experience the power of sharing that

experience the power of sharing that with each other and could take action

with each other and could take action

with each other and could take action together to bring it into the world and

together to bring it into the world and

together to bring it into the world and we knew that we as adults needed to

we knew that we as adults needed to

we knew that we as adults needed to learn how to walk alongside them and

learn how to walk alongside them and

learn how to walk alongside them and support them in that process so as ideas

support them in that process so as ideas

support them in that process so as ideas and projects began to grow as this

and projects began to grow as this

and projects began to grow as this wondering we brought together mentors

wondering we brought together mentors

wondering we brought together mentors donors and volunteers to help make them

donors and volunteers to help make them

donors and volunteers to help make them a reality we took one sometimes shaky

a reality we took one sometimes shaky

a reality we took one sometimes shaky step at a time learning from kids and

step at a time learning from kids and

step at a time learning from kids and ideas all over the world and some

ideas all over the world and some

ideas all over the world and some amazing things started to happen we

amazing things started to happen we

amazing things started to happen we worked with a group of high school

worked with a group of high school

worked with a group of high school students in Guatemala to turn an old

students in Guatemala to turn an old

students in Guatemala to turn an old sheriff’s bus into a mobile library that

sheriff’s bus into a mobile library that

sheriff’s bus into a mobile library that they could use to go to

they could use to go to

they could use to go to kids and surrounding rural areas to help

kids and surrounding rural areas to help

kids and surrounding rural areas to help them learn and love to read kids from

them learn and love to read kids from

them learn and love to read kids from Italy

Italy

Italy Israel’s Spain and more organized a

Israel’s Spain and more organized a

Israel’s Spain and more organized a cultural summit and brought to young

cultural summit and brought to young

cultural summit and brought to young members of the Carrows tribe in the high

members of the Carrows tribe in the high

members of the Carrows tribe in the high Andes of Peru to Costa Rica to share

Andes of Peru to Costa Rica to share

Andes of Peru to Costa Rica to share their knowledge and traditions with

their knowledge and traditions with

their knowledge and traditions with hundreds of students and make

hundreds of students and make

hundreds of students and make international friendships that will last

international friendships that will last

international friendships that will last for the rest of their lives

kids from over 25 countries have

kids from over 25 countries have connected and gotten to know each other

connected and gotten to know each other

connected and gotten to know each other over the last several years through

over the last several years through

over the last several years through projects and ideas like these that

projects and ideas like these that

projects and ideas like these that started with them including a refugee

started with them including a refugee

started with them including a refugee community bus right here in Salt Lake

community bus right here in Salt Lake

community bus right here in Salt Lake City there’s part of me that wishes that

City there’s part of me that wishes that

City there’s part of me that wishes that I could tell you that this is the

I could tell you that this is the

I could tell you that this is the solution that we figured it out once and

solution that we figured it out once and

solution that we figured it out once and for all that all the stories were

for all that all the stories were

for all that all the stories were beautiful like these and then all that’s

beautiful like these and then all that’s

beautiful like these and then all that’s left to do is package and deliver wonder

left to do is package and deliver wonder

left to do is package and deliver wonder to solve the world’s problems some of

to solve the world’s problems some of

to solve the world’s problems some of that’s true but as we’ve seen already

that’s true but as we’ve seen already

that’s true but as we’ve seen already wonder doesn’t do well with

wonder doesn’t do well with

wonder doesn’t do well with oversimplification what’s also true is

oversimplification what’s also true is

oversimplification what’s also true is it the same reaction that you might have

it the same reaction that you might have

it the same reaction that you might have gotten as a kid to your crazy idea or

gotten as a kid to your crazy idea or

gotten as a kid to your crazy idea or question is alive and well

question is alive and well

question is alive and well no matter what age you are most days

no matter what age you are most days

no matter what age you are most days have more unknowns than knowns and for

have more unknowns than knowns and for

have more unknowns than knowns and for every person who sees and supports a

every person who sees and supports a

every person who sees and supports a vision there are twenty more including

vision there are twenty more including

vision there are twenty more including one in here who would love nothing more

one in here who would love nothing more

one in here who would love nothing more than to tell you why it won’t work why

than to tell you why it won’t work why

than to tell you why it won’t work why it doesn’t make sense why there are more

it doesn’t make sense why there are more

it doesn’t make sense why there are more responsible things that you should be

responsible things that you should be

responsible things that you should be doing and more knowledgeable people who

doing and more knowledgeable people who

doing and more knowledgeable people who could do it better so what then when

could do it better so what then when

could do it better so what then when Wonder and the world around you don’t

Wonder and the world around you don’t

Wonder and the world around you don’t seem to fit so nicely I want you to

seem to fit so nicely I want you to

seem to fit so nicely I want you to imagine the first time you stood on a

imagine the first time you stood on a

imagine the first time you stood on a ledge facing a set of monkey bars if

ledge facing a set of monkey bars if

ledge facing a set of monkey bars if you’re anything like I was at this age

you’re anything like I was at this age

you’re anything like I was at this age this is next-level daring and sorcery

this is next-level daring and sorcery

this is next-level daring and sorcery you quickly realize that there are two

you quickly realize that there are two

you quickly realize that there are two very basic things required here reaching

very basic things required here reaching

very basic things required here reaching out and letting go but there’s a mystery

out and letting go but there’s a mystery

out and letting go but there’s a mystery at the heart of it which you immediately

at the heart of it which you immediately

at the heart of it which you immediately face when you end up like this if you

face when you end up like this if you

face when you end up like this if you think that you can make it all the way

think that you can make it all the way

think that you can make it all the way across well thinking of those two things

across well thinking of those two things

across well thinking of those two things as separate acts you’re screwed

as separate acts you’re screwed

as separate acts you’re screwed trust me those arms just don’t have the

trust me those arms just don’t have the

trust me those arms just don’t have the strength the thing that generates the

strength the thing that generates the

strength the thing that generates the momentum is the breakthrough experience

momentum is the breakthrough experience

momentum is the breakthrough experience of realizing it’s all part of the same

of realizing it’s all part of the same

of realizing it’s all part of the same motion I want you to remember in your

motion I want you to remember in your

motion I want you to remember in your body what that feels like this is the

body what that feels like this is the

body what that feels like this is the truth and the power of wonder it’s not a

truth and the power of wonder it’s not a

truth and the power of wonder it’s not a nice feeling or a vague dream it’s not a

nice feeling or a vague dream it’s not a

nice feeling or a vague dream it’s not a nostalgic nod to a lost childhood it’s a

nostalgic nod to a lost childhood it’s a

nostalgic nod to a lost childhood it’s a practice it’s taking a deep breath and

practice it’s taking a deep breath and

practice it’s taking a deep breath and having the guts to reach out let go

having the guts to reach out let go

having the guts to reach out let go reach out let go and as a result of this

reach out let go and as a result of this

reach out let go and as a result of this willingness feeling an amazing force

willingness feeling an amazing force

willingness feeling an amazing force somehow carrying you forward in this

somehow carrying you forward in this

somehow carrying you forward in this primal rhythm of playgrounds everywhere

primal rhythm of playgrounds everywhere

primal rhythm of playgrounds everywhere I loved and believed in the wonderment

I loved and believed in the wonderment

I loved and believed in the wonderment so much that it made me afraid afraid

so much that it made me afraid afraid

so much that it made me afraid afraid that it might not be understood or

that it might not be understood or

that it might not be understood or supported and that somewhere somehow

supported and that somewhere somehow

supported and that somewhere somehow that meant that I wasn’t understood or

that meant that I wasn’t understood or

that meant that I wasn’t understood or supported and this fear made me hold on

supported and this fear made me hold on

supported and this fear made me hold on to expectations both my own and others

to expectations both my own and others

to expectations both my own and others of what it would be when it grew up I

of what it would be when it grew up I

of what it would be when it grew up I found myself doing the same thing to the

found myself doing the same thing to the

found myself doing the same thing to the project that we do to our kids feeling

project that we do to our kids feeling

project that we do to our kids feeling the same pressure to explain plan

the same pressure to explain plan

the same pressure to explain plan measure justify predict sometimes from

measure justify predict sometimes from

measure justify predict sometimes from the very people closest to me even my

the very people closest to me even my

the very people closest to me even my own board and suddenly in the midst of

own board and suddenly in the midst of

own board and suddenly in the midst of it I realized why we do it why we grasp

it I realized why we do it why we grasp

it I realized why we do it why we grasp so tightly that we drive wonder away

so tightly that we drive wonder away

so tightly that we drive wonder away it’s because deep down we wish we had

it’s because deep down we wish we had

it’s because deep down we wish we had the kind of control to keep what we love

the kind of control to keep what we love

the kind of control to keep what we love safe in a world that seems to have a

safe in a world that seems to have a

safe in a world that seems to have a million ways to hurt it I choose to stay

million ways to hurt it I choose to stay

million ways to hurt it I choose to stay open and stand with Wonder come marvel

open and stand with Wonder come marvel

open and stand with Wonder come marvel or wound because I know now it’s the

or wound because I know now it’s the

or wound because I know now it’s the only way to stay connected to that part

only way to stay connected to that part

only way to stay connected to that part of myself that allows me to truly

of myself that allows me to truly

of myself that allows me to truly connect to anyone or anything else this

connect to anyone or anything else this

connect to anyone or anything else this is a daily choice and it goes beyond

is a daily choice and it goes beyond

is a daily choice and it goes beyond just my creative or professional life I

just my creative or professional life I

just my creative or professional life I also have a six-year-old son like any

also have a six-year-old son like any

also have a six-year-old son like any parent my desire to know that he’ll be

parent my desire to know that he’ll be

parent my desire to know that he’ll be okay

okay

okay feels overwhelming sometimes I wish I

feels overwhelming sometimes I wish I

feels overwhelming sometimes I wish I had a guarantee the who live in a world

had a guarantee the who live in a world

had a guarantee the who live in a world where he’d be happy safe and successful

where he’d be happy safe and successful

where he’d be happy safe and successful but I don’t none of us do I don’t have a

but I don’t none of us do I don’t have a

but I don’t none of us do I don’t have a lot of knowns to give him and I know

lot of knowns to give him and I know

lot of knowns to give him and I know that there are kids around the world and

that there are kids around the world and

that there are kids around the world and in our own neighborhood who were given

in our own neighborhood who were given

in our own neighborhood who were given even fewer but I also remember what

even fewer but I also remember what

even fewer but I also remember what finally got my me to trust myself enough

finally got my me to trust myself enough

finally got my me to trust myself enough to try on those monkey bars as a kid it

to try on those monkey bars as a kid it

to try on those monkey bars as a kid it was seeing someone I cared about someone

was seeing someone I cared about someone

was seeing someone I cared about someone older show me what that looked like

older show me what that looked like

older show me what that looked like so reach out and ask yourself what do

so reach out and ask yourself what do

so reach out and ask yourself what do you wonder let go of what tells you you

you wonder let go of what tells you you

you wonder let go of what tells you you can’t or you shouldn’t or you’re too old

can’t or you shouldn’t or you’re too old

can’t or you shouldn’t or you’re too old or it’s a waste of time share what you

or it’s a waste of time share what you

or it’s a waste of time share what you find with the people in your life no

find with the people in your life no

find with the people in your life no matter their age then ask them this is

matter their age then ask them this is

matter their age then ask them this is how we reclaim ourselves and each other

how we reclaim ourselves and each other

how we reclaim ourselves and each other from the loneliness and fear that we

from the loneliness and fear that we

from the loneliness and fear that we experience when we believe that we have

experience when we believe that we have

experience when we believe that we have to separate from our most essential self

to separate from our most essential self

to separate from our most essential self our child’s self to survive in this

our child’s self to survive in this

our child’s self to survive in this world reach out let go reach out let go

world reach out let go reach out let go

world reach out let go reach out let go who you are is needed because of what we

who you are is needed because of what we

who you are is needed because of what we make possible from that place

make possible from that place

make possible from that place together day by day we can call forward

together day by day we can call forward

together day by day we can call forward that human magic within us they cannot

that human magic within us they cannot

that human magic within us they cannot help but transform the world around us

help but transform the world around us

help but transform the world around us wildly curiously this is the kind of

wildly curiously this is the kind of

wildly curiously this is the kind of belonging that includes every one of us

belonging that includes every one of us

belonging that includes every one of us and helps us to recognize each other for

and helps us to recognize each other for

and helps us to recognize each other for the discoveries that we are this is how

the discoveries that we are this is how

the discoveries that we are this is how we move forward into a future that we

we move forward into a future that we

we move forward into a future that we all belong in and this can never be

all belong in and this can never be

all belong in and this can never be bought or contained or won or controlled

bought or contained or won or controlled

bought or contained or won or controlled this is the awe of the gift Wonder

this is the awe of the gift Wonder

this is the awe of the gift Wonder offers us thank you

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