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Why good people do bad things | Einar Øverenget | TEDxOslo


okay let me start out with a question

okay let me start out with a question after all I’m a philosopher that’s what

after all I’m a philosopher that’s what

after all I’m a philosopher that’s what we do have you ever done anything wrong

we do have you ever done anything wrong

we do have you ever done anything wrong even when you knew it was wrong at the

even when you knew it was wrong at the

even when you knew it was wrong at the time I take that as a yes

why’d you do that now I sound like your

why’d you do that now I sound like your parents do you remember how you answered

parents do you remember how you answered

parents do you remember how you answered your parents I don’t know do you

your parents I don’t know do you

your parents I don’t know do you remember how mused everybody’s answer

remember how mused everybody’s answer

remember how mused everybody’s answer and how amuse they are when your

and how amuse they are when your

and how amuse they are when your children answer the same way there’s a

children answer the same way there’s a

children answer the same way there’s a philosophical question error why do we

philosophical question error why do we

philosophical question error why do we do what we do why don’t we do something

do what we do why don’t we do something

do what we do why don’t we do something else

else

else the obvious answer because it made a

the obvious answer because it made a

the obvious answer because it made a choice we don’t have to do what we do

choice we don’t have to do what we do

choice we don’t have to do what we do we can choose let me make hundreds

we can choose let me make hundreds

we can choose let me make hundreds thousands of choices every day in the

thousands of choices every day in the

thousands of choices every day in the sense of doing this rather than that but

sense of doing this rather than that but

sense of doing this rather than that but making a choice is not just a matter of

making a choice is not just a matter of

making a choice is not just a matter of doing that but is also my road being the

doing that but is also my road being the

doing that but is also my road being the one setting the direction for your life

one setting the direction for your life

one setting the direction for your life and by will do this rather than that

and by will do this rather than that

and by will do this rather than that because you think that’s the right thing

because you think that’s the right thing

because you think that’s the right thing to do our rationality enable us to

to do our rationality enable us to

to do our rationality enable us to reflect on our impulses and decide

reflect on our impulses and decide

reflect on our impulses and decide whether or not to act on those and

whether or not to act on those and

whether or not to act on those and historically the view has been that if

historically the view has been that if

historically the view has been that if you do that we will over time develop

you do that we will over time develop

you do that we will over time develop deep-rooted stable moral beliefs virtues

deep-rooted stable moral beliefs virtues

deep-rooted stable moral beliefs virtues that will guide us to life and help us

that will guide us to life and help us

that will guide us to life and help us make good decisions and withstand social

make good decisions and withstand social

make good decisions and withstand social pressure whatever other people wants you

pressure whatever other people wants you

pressure whatever other people wants you to do and internal pressure your own

to do and internal pressure your own

to do and internal pressure your own temptations that’s really what freedom

temptations that’s really what freedom

temptations that’s really what freedom is all about however say that you are a

is all about however say that you are a

is all about however say that you are a good person

good person

good person you have good virtues you have good

you have good virtues you have good

you have good virtues you have good moral beliefs you have a good character

moral beliefs you have a good character

moral beliefs you have a good character that does not though automatically

that does not though automatically

that does not though automatically produce good behavior because human

produce good behavior because human

produce good behavior because human beings we’re also able to act against

beings we’re also able to act against

beings we’re also able to act against their own principles and even to do so

their own principles and even to do so

their own principles and even to do so without having a conscience kick in and

without having a conscience kick in and

without having a conscience kick in and stop us or bad bottles afterwards and we

stop us or bad bottles afterwards and we

stop us or bad bottles afterwards and we do that by neutralizing our own roaches

do that by neutralizing our own roaches

do that by neutralizing our own roaches not rejecting them but just saying that

not rejecting them but just saying that

not rejecting them but just saying that well in general I think this is wrong

well in general I think this is wrong

well in general I think this is wrong but right now I think it’s right for

but right now I think it’s right for

but right now I think it’s right for some wild reason but in general so I

some wild reason but in general so I

some wild reason but in general so I have them but they don’t apply right now

morale neutralization usually starts

morale neutralization usually starts with the experiencing what we can call

with the experiencing what we can call

with the experiencing what we can call moral dissonance you are tempted to do

moral dissonance you are tempted to do

moral dissonance you are tempted to do something you shouldn’t do ever been

something you shouldn’t do ever been

something you shouldn’t do ever been there

we don’t like to be in the dissonance we

we don’t like to be in the dissonance we like to solve dissonance one way to

like to solve dissonance one way to

like to solve dissonance one way to solve the distance is not to do it of

solve the distance is not to do it of

solve the distance is not to do it of course but we would like to do it what

course but we would like to do it what

course but we would like to do it what now say you walk down the street and

now say you walk down the street and

now say you walk down the street and there cell in front of you there’s a $20

there cell in front of you there’s a $20

there cell in front of you there’s a $20 bill laying on the ground obviously

bill laying on the ground obviously

bill laying on the ground obviously somebody lost it but there’s no one

somebody lost it but there’s no one

somebody lost it but there’s no one around so you cannot see the rightful

around so you cannot see the rightful

around so you cannot see the rightful owner

owner

owner so we have two options now you can pick

so we have two options now you can pick

so we have two options now you can pick her up or not if you pick it up you get

her up or not if you pick it up you get

her up or not if you pick it up you get two other options you can keep it or not

two other options you can keep it or not

two other options you can keep it or not I’m not keeping it that would be trying

I’m not keeping it that would be trying

I’m not keeping it that would be trying to give it back to the rightful owner

to give it back to the rightful owner

to give it back to the rightful owner but there isn’t want to see there of

but there isn’t want to see there of

but there isn’t want to see there of course you can make the detour to the

course you can make the detour to the

course you can make the detour to the police station hand it in and say I

police station hand it in and say I

police station hand it in and say I found this and hopefully the rightful

found this and hopefully the rightful

found this and hopefully the rightful owner will come and claim it but you

owner will come and claim it but you

owner will come and claim it but you know that’s going to take time you don’t

know that’s going to take time you don’t

know that’s going to take time you don’t really have the time it’s a detour and

really have the time it’s a detour and

really have the time it’s a detour and after all you get this little gift from

after all you get this little gift from

after all you get this little gift from the universe in your hand it could be a

the universe in your hand it could be a

the universe in your hand it could be a nice lunch but you’re not a thief you

nice lunch but you’re not a thief you

nice lunch but you’re not a thief you don’t steal money you think it’s wrong

don’t steal money you think it’s wrong

don’t steal money you think it’s wrong to keep money that isn’t yours so if you

to keep money that isn’t yours so if you

to keep money that isn’t yours so if you keep it

keep it

keep it even without knowing it you start this

even without knowing it you start this

even without knowing it you start this in a dialogue we try to find a good

in a dialogue we try to find a good

in a dialogue we try to find a good reason for this before we really make up

reason for this before we really make up

reason for this before we really make up your mind and what will you say to

your mind and what will you say to

your mind and what will you say to yourself now you think you know

yourself now you think you know

yourself now you think you know everybody else would do this wouldn’t

everybody else would do this wouldn’t

everybody else would do this wouldn’t they

they

they and after all no harm is done or the

and after all no harm is done or the

and after all no harm is done or the harm is already occurred somebody lost

harm is already occurred somebody lost

harm is already occurred somebody lost it I’m sure they’re sorry about that but

it I’m sure they’re sorry about that but

it I’m sure they’re sorry about that but I’m not going to add any add any harm to

I’m not going to add any add any harm to

I’m not going to add any add any harm to the universe by keeping it so what

the universe by keeping it so what

the universe by keeping it so what you’re doing now you starting to

you’re doing now you starting to

you’re doing now you starting to neutralize your virtues I’m going to

neutralize your virtues I’m going to

neutralize your virtues I’m going to describe seven different ways in which

describe seven different ways in which

describe seven different ways in which we neutralize our virtues or moral

we neutralize our virtues or moral

we neutralize our virtues or moral beliefs one for each day of the week so

beliefs one for each day of the week so

beliefs one for each day of the week so then you can do it afterwards or maybe

then you can do it afterwards or maybe

then you can do it afterwards or maybe not number one we have used already the

not number one we have used already the

not number one we have used already the denial of responsibility everybody else

denial of responsibility everybody else

denial of responsibility everybody else would do it it could be the business

would do it it could be the business

would do it it could be the business person saying that I’m against

person saying that I’m against

person saying that I’m against corruption but if you’re going to win

corruption but if you’re going to win

corruption but if you’re going to win this bid we have to bribe someone but in

this bid we have to bribe someone but in

this bid we have to bribe someone but in general I’m against corruption it could

general I’m against corruption it could

general I’m against corruption it could be the athletes saying I’m against

be the athletes saying I’m against

be the athletes saying I’m against taking illegal drugs in order to succeed

taking illegal drugs in order to succeed

taking illegal drugs in order to succeed in order to win but I’m going to win

in order to win but I’m going to win

in order to win but I’m going to win this race I have to do it because

this race I have to do it because

this race I have to do it because everybody else is doing it so that’s

everybody else is doing it so that’s

everybody else is doing it so that’s just how it is I don’t like it but you

just how it is I don’t like it but you

just how it is I don’t like it but you know that’s how it is denial the

know that’s how it is denial the

know that’s how it is denial the responsibility number two there is a

responsibility number two there is a

responsibility number two there is a denying that you really are producing

denying that you really are producing

denying that you really are producing any harm you know you keep this money

any harm you know you keep this money

any harm you know you keep this money nobody is harmed by that or you lose

nobody is harmed by that or you lose

nobody is harmed by that or you lose your suitcase somebody stole it maybe

your suitcase somebody stole it maybe

your suitcase somebody stole it maybe you have two cameras you have one cheap

you have two cameras you have one cheap

you have two cameras you have one cheap and one very expensive the cheap one is

and one very expensive the cheap one is

and one very expensive the cheap one is in the suitcase

in the suitcase

in the suitcase and expensive is at home but what if you

and expensive is at home but what if you

and expensive is at home but what if you kind of do a little bit like this before

kind of do a little bit like this before

kind of do a little bit like this before you make your claim to the insurance

you make your claim to the insurance

you make your claim to the insurance company and put the expensive one in the

company and put the expensive one in the

company and put the expensive one in the suitcase

suitcase

suitcase you know no harm done really insurance

you know no harm done really insurance

you know no harm done really insurance companies don’t they make very much

companies don’t they make very much

companies don’t they make very much money you know really and everybody else

money you know really and everybody else

money you know really and everybody else would do it wouldn’t ya and then we have

would do it wouldn’t ya and then we have

would do it wouldn’t ya and then we have to denial the victim you heard somebody

to denial the victim you heard somebody

to denial the victim you heard somebody you’re not a person doing that really

you’re not a person doing that really

you’re not a person doing that really you’re a nice person but you did it said

you’re a nice person but you did it said

you’re a nice person but you did it said something and then you tell JIT but you

something and then you tell JIT but you

something and then you tell JIT but you know if he hadn’t said that if she

know if he hadn’t said that if she

know if he hadn’t said that if she hadn’t dressed like that she had done

hadn’t dressed like that she had done

hadn’t dressed like that she had done that you know really he asked for it she

that you know really he asked for it she

that you know really he asked for it she had it coming

had it coming

had it coming not my fault number four metaphor of the

not my fault number four metaphor of the

not my fault number four metaphor of the ledger

ledger

ledger I found this money I deserve this money

I found this money I deserve this money

I found this money I deserve this money I’ve done so much good for people lately

I’ve done so much good for people lately

I’ve done so much good for people lately so this is just what I deserve I keep it

so this is just what I deserve I keep it

so this is just what I deserve I keep it you know rewarded by the universe I’ll

you know rewarded by the universe I’ll

you know rewarded by the universe I’ll have this launch number five the claim

have this launch number five the claim

have this launch number five the claim of necessity I had no choice it’s a very

of necessity I had no choice it’s a very

of necessity I had no choice it’s a very interesting to justify a choice isn’t it

interesting to justify a choice isn’t it

interesting to justify a choice isn’t it I had no choice if we are gonna win this

I had no choice if we are gonna win this

I had no choice if we are gonna win this race I had no choice I had to take these

race I had no choice I had to take these

race I had no choice I had to take these drugs because everybody else was doing

drugs because everybody else was doing

drugs because everybody else was doing it if we were in a win this bid I had no

it if we were in a win this bid I had no

it if we were in a win this bid I had no choice because everybody else was doing

choice because everybody else was doing

choice because everybody else was doing really had no choice

really had no choice

really had no choice number six justification by comparison

number six justification by comparison

number six justification by comparison one my favorites really other people are

one my favorites really other people are

one my favorites really other people are doing things that I’ve worse

doing things that I’ve worse

doing things that I’ve worse and you know so much bad has been done

and you know so much bad has been done

and you know so much bad has been done in the world so that one is always open

in the world so that one is always open

in the world so that one is always open it is always possible to find somebody’s

it is always possible to find somebody’s

it is always possible to find somebody’s done something worse I grew up with my

done something worse I grew up with my

done something worse I grew up with my father he was a police officer he’s

father he was a police officer he’s

father he was a police officer he’s retired now when and people then tend to

retired now when and people then tend to

retired now when and people then tend to think that when I grew up I had a very

think that when I grew up I had a very

think that when I grew up I had a very strict upbringing not so really because

strict upbringing not so really because

strict upbringing not so really because he in his line of work he experienced

he in his line of work he experienced

he in his line of work he experienced and saw and met you know extreme

and saw and met you know extreme

and saw and met you know extreme violence brutality homicide really bad

violence brutality homicide really bad

violence brutality homicide really bad things so when I got back home from

things so when I got back home from

things so when I got back home from school having done my more or less

school having done my more or less

school having done my more or less innocent pranks I was just kind of

innocent pranks I was just kind of

innocent pranks I was just kind of almost reading his mind then he was

almost reading his mind then he was

almost reading his mind then he was thinking did he kill anybody it could be

thinking did he kill anybody it could be

thinking did he kill anybody it could be that bad and the seventh one

that bad and the seventh one

that bad and the seventh one postponement I see this might be wrong

postponement I see this might be wrong

postponement I see this might be wrong let’s use not to think about that right

let’s use not to think about that right

let’s use not to think about that right now

now

now I wanna reflect on that you know when I

I wanna reflect on that you know when I

I wanna reflect on that you know when I retire I’m going to spend the last 10

retire I’m going to spend the last 10

retire I’m going to spend the last 10 years of my life and then I reflect on

years of my life and then I reflect on

years of my life and then I reflect on all those things that were wrong I’ll do

all those things that were wrong I’ll do

all those things that were wrong I’ll do it then not now don’t have the time so

it then not now don’t have the time so

it then not now don’t have the time so here we have seven different ways of

here we have seven different ways of

here we have seven different ways of neutralizing your own roaches no you

neutralizing your own roaches no you

neutralizing your own roaches no you don’t reject them you keep them in a

don’t reject them you keep them in a

don’t reject them you keep them in a very nice place I have him here but they

very nice place I have him here but they

very nice place I have him here but they don’t apply right now because and they

don’t apply right now because and they

don’t apply right now because and they do this so why should we focus on this

do this so why should we focus on this

do this so why should we focus on this phenomena really ways to learn from it I

phenomena really ways to learn from it I

phenomena really ways to learn from it I think we should focus on this phenomena

think we should focus on this phenomena

think we should focus on this phenomena in order to understand the true meaning

in order to understand the true meaning

in order to understand the true meaning of human freedom freedom is not just a

of human freedom freedom is not just a

of human freedom freedom is not just a matter of acting a lot you know doing

matter of acting a lot you know doing

matter of acting a lot you know doing this right all the time

this right all the time

this right all the time and it’s not just a matter of having

and it’s not just a matter of having

and it’s not just a matter of having good virtues I’m a great character I’m a

good virtues I’m a great character I’m a

good virtues I’m a great character I’m a nice person I hope it beliefs it is

nice person I hope it beliefs it is

nice person I hope it beliefs it is trying to connect the two that’s the

trying to connect the two that’s the

trying to connect the two that’s the important thing and that’s the nature of

important thing and that’s the nature of

important thing and that’s the nature of human freedom not doing whatever you

human freedom not doing whatever you

human freedom not doing whatever you want you shouldn’t do that really really

want you shouldn’t do that really really

want you shouldn’t do that really really think about it all the things you want

think about it all the things you want

think about it all the things you want don’t do it especially at home no I do

don’t do it especially at home no I do

don’t do it especially at home no I do technical training for professionals I’m

technical training for professionals I’m

technical training for professionals I’m often asked then you know very effective

often asked then you know very effective

often asked then you know very effective people they’re very practical people and

people they’re very practical people and

people they’re very practical people and you know we’re operative and they ask me

you know we’re operative and they ask me

you know we’re operative and they ask me what is philosophy really all about and

what is philosophy really all about and

what is philosophy really all about and my definition now is trying to

my definition now is trying to

my definition now is trying to understand what you already know but you

understand what you already know but you

understand what you already know but you know it so well so we have become

know it so well so we have become

know it so well so we have become unaware of it is trying to reflect upon

unaware of it is trying to reflect upon

unaware of it is trying to reflect upon established practice and that’s

established practice and that’s

established practice and that’s important and I invite them to become

important and I invite them to become

important and I invite them to become philosophers because in their daily work

philosophers because in their daily work

philosophers because in their daily work in dealing sort of with the world and

in dealing sort of with the world and

in dealing sort of with the world and the job they’re very effective it’s fast

the job they’re very effective it’s fast

the job they’re very effective it’s fast and I said well that’s good but you must

and I said well that’s good but you must

and I said well that’s good but you must also think

also think

also think because why do you actually do what you

because why do you actually do what you

because why do you actually do what you do are you you think you’re choosing

do are you you think you’re choosing

do are you you think you’re choosing here but aren’t you really just keep you

here but aren’t you really just keep you

here but aren’t you really just keep you know giving in to social pressure do

know giving in to social pressure do

know giving in to social pressure do whatever other people want to do or

whatever other people want to do or

whatever other people want to do or aren’t you just giving in to the you

aren’t you just giving in to the you

aren’t you just giving in to the you know your own once and so forth your own

know your own once and so forth your own

know your own once and so forth your own temptations are you really making

temptations are you really making

temptations are you really making choices try to pay attention to how you

choices try to pay attention to how you

choices try to pay attention to how you justify your actions that really at the

justify your actions that really at the

justify your actions that really at the center of ethics how do you go about

center of ethics how do you go about

center of ethics how do you go about justifying your actions so I invite them

justifying your actions so I invite them

justifying your actions so I invite them to become philosophers because I think

to become philosophers because I think

to become philosophers because I think that’s important in the professional

that’s important in the professional

that’s important in the professional world for your reputation for building

world for your reputation for building

world for your reputation for building trust for the nature of your relations

trust for the nature of your relations

trust for the nature of your relations it’s important to do it I think is

it’s important to do it I think is

it’s important to do it I think is important in our private lives too to do

important in our private lives too to do

important in our private lives too to do the same thing at this building trust so

the same thing at this building trust so

the same thing at this building trust so now I invite you to become philosophers

now I invite you to become philosophers

now I invite you to become philosophers from now on look at your justifications

from now on look at your justifications

from now on look at your justifications thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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