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hello let me begin with a story a story

hello let me begin with a story a story of a community of painters and

of a community of painters and

of a community of painters and storytellers who create Scrolls

storytellers who create Scrolls

storytellers who create Scrolls depicting mythological stories and

depicting mythological stories and

depicting mythological stories and heroic legends walking from village to

heroic legends walking from village to

heroic legends walking from village to village they would sing out their

village they would sing out their

village they would sing out their stories as they unfolded they’re painted

stories as they unfolded they’re painted

stories as they unfolded they’re painted Scrolls painted with vegetable dyes

Scrolls painted with vegetable dyes

Scrolls painted with vegetable dyes pointing out specific images asking

pointing out specific images asking

pointing out specific images asking their audiences to focus on the images

their audiences to focus on the images

their audiences to focus on the images as they listen to the words that they’re

as they listen to the words that they’re

as they listen to the words that they’re saying in return their village audiences

saying in return their village audiences

saying in return their village audiences would offer them a meal perhaps clothes

would offer them a meal perhaps clothes

would offer them a meal perhaps clothes a place to stay that night and they

a place to stay that night and they

a place to stay that night and they would be given vegetables and rice to

would be given vegetables and rice to

would be given vegetables and rice to carry back home but as new technologies

carry back home but as new technologies

carry back home but as new technologies of entertainment took over as their

of entertainment took over as their

of entertainment took over as their audiences got hooked on to new stories

audiences got hooked on to new stories

audiences got hooked on to new stories that unfolded on larger screens at the

that unfolded on larger screens at the

that unfolded on larger screens at the cinemas or on smaller screens on

cinemas or on smaller screens on

cinemas or on smaller screens on television

television

television the painter storytellers found it hard

the painter storytellers found it hard

the painter storytellers found it hard to make ends meet

to make ends meet

to make ends meet nobody wanted their stories anymore but

nobody wanted their stories anymore but

nobody wanted their stories anymore but they realized soon that the very

they realized soon that the very

they realized soon that the very machines that churned out new stories

machines that churned out new stories

machines that churned out new stories and took away their audiences were also

and took away their audiences were also

and took away their audiences were also chattering with stories that were

chattering with stories that were

chattering with stories that were waiting to be told in a different mode

waiting to be told in a different mode

waiting to be told in a different mode News became the source of their new

News became the source of their new

News became the source of their new compositions in 2001 when the 11

compositions in 2001 when the 11

compositions in 2001 when the 11 September attacks happened it caught

September attacks happened it caught

September attacks happened it caught their attention in the hands of the

their attention in the hands of the

their attention in the hands of the petite attackers of Naya ping la a

petite attackers of Naya ping la a

petite attackers of Naya ping la a village in Medina poor in West Bengal

village in Medina poor in West Bengal

village in Medina poor in West Bengal this event became a disaster scroll

this event became a disaster scroll

this event became a disaster scroll about the contemporary world the scroll

about the contemporary world the scroll

about the contemporary world the scroll showed the Twin Towers

showed the Twin Towers

showed the Twin Towers I don’t think this is a laser pointer

I don’t think this is a laser pointer

I don’t think this is a laser pointer but you can see the twin towers coming

but you can see the twin towers coming

but you can see the twin towers coming down people escaping falling to their

down people escaping falling to their

down people escaping falling to their death George Bush meeting senators the

death George Bush meeting senators the

death George Bush meeting senators the war in Afghanistan using the traditional

war in Afghanistan using the traditional

war in Afghanistan using the traditional mode of amethyst eyes universe

mode of amethyst eyes universe

mode of amethyst eyes universe the party trekkers engaged with the

the party trekkers engaged with the

the party trekkers engaged with the contemporary event seeing the loss of

contemporary event seeing the loss of

contemporary event seeing the loss of lives as human tragedy as I interviewed

lives as human tragedy as I interviewed

lives as human tragedy as I interviewed them about what they wanted to depict in

them about what they wanted to depict in

them about what they wanted to depict in the scroll I was told by Khadija trucker

the scroll I was told by Khadija trucker

the scroll I was told by Khadija trucker who’s the husband of Radha Chitra car

who’s the husband of Radha Chitra car

who’s the husband of Radha Chitra car who you see here but even if they had

who you see here but even if they had

who you see here but even if they had not witnessed the stunning event they

not witnessed the stunning event they

not witnessed the stunning event they are masters at depicting human tragedy

are masters at depicting human tragedy

are masters at depicting human tragedy because it is what they have deep

because it is what they have deep

because it is what they have deep knowledge of because tragedy hounds

knowledge of because tragedy hounds

knowledge of because tragedy hounds their lives at every step in my life

their lives at every step in my life

their lives at every step in my life story interviews with them they revealed

story interviews with them they revealed

story interviews with them they revealed that their lives are shaped by small

that their lives are shaped by small

that their lives are shaped by small disasters that happen with predictable

disasters that happen with predictable

disasters that happen with predictable regularity floods that forced them to

regularity floods that forced them to

regularity floods that forced them to rebuild their homes almost every other

rebuild their homes almost every other

rebuild their homes almost every other year illnesses to which they lose family

year illnesses to which they lose family

year illnesses to which they lose family members in short disasters that make

members in short disasters that make

members in short disasters that make them lose their shelter the loved ones

them lose their shelter the loved ones

them lose their shelter the loved ones and they hard-earned money the memory of

and they hard-earned money the memory of

and they hard-earned money the memory of suffering of not earning enough to

suffering of not earning enough to

suffering of not earning enough to overcome disasters and their

overcome disasters and their

overcome disasters and their understanding of the tragedy of human

understanding of the tragedy of human

understanding of the tragedy of human life enables them to enter other worlds

life enables them to enter other worlds

life enables them to enter other worlds of suffering Radha’s song here speaks

of suffering Radha’s song here speaks

of suffering Radha’s song here speaks about the injustice of it all

see ya Joe burger – nah oh boy yeah me

see ya Joe burger – nah oh boy yeah me dick I need beam on Hanah agile go – nah

dick I need beam on Hanah agile go – nah

dick I need beam on Hanah agile go – nah she adorable her toner she goes on –

she adorable her toner she goes on –

she adorable her toner she goes on – I’ll translate that for you she’s saying

I’ll translate that for you she’s saying

I’ll translate that for you she’s saying in American land that plane crash was

in American land that plane crash was

in American land that plane crash was really very stunning the house that had

really very stunning the house that had

really very stunning the house that had hundred stories fell down and then she

hundred stories fell down and then she

hundred stories fell down and then she goes on to say why did you do this Laden

goes on to say why did you do this Laden

goes on to say why did you do this Laden why did so many people lose their lives

why did so many people lose their lives

why did so many people lose their lives what crime had they committed why did

what crime had they committed why did

what crime had they committed why did you kill thousands of people the 9/11 or

you kill thousands of people the 9/11 or

you kill thousands of people the 9/11 or the Laden Pot is the pottage it records

the Laden Pot is the pottage it records

the Laden Pot is the pottage it records engagement with the historical event and

engagement with the historical event and

engagement with the historical event and it happens at two levels at one level

it happens at two levels at one level

it happens at two levels at one level it’s the actual event and on the other

it’s the actual event and on the other

it’s the actual event and on the other it’s at the level of human emotions and

it’s at the level of human emotions and

it’s at the level of human emotions and intimacy’s the event is recounted in a

intimacy’s the event is recounted in a

intimacy’s the event is recounted in a mythical mode the two aircrafts you’ll

mythical mode the two aircrafts you’ll

mythical mode the two aircrafts you’ll notice are painted with faces of demons

notice are painted with faces of demons

notice are painted with faces of demons they’re more emotional engagement

they’re more emotional engagement

they’re more emotional engagement however uses their own memories of

however uses their own memories of

however uses their own memories of suffering to relate to the historical

suffering to relate to the historical

suffering to relate to the historical loss of lives in America these are lives

loss of lives in America these are lives

loss of lives in America these are lives with whom this community could not

with whom this community could not

with whom this community could not possibly have had any connection and yet

possibly have had any connection and yet

possibly have had any connection and yet they have used their imagination to

they have used their imagination to

they have used their imagination to enter a different tragic universe is

enter a different tragic universe is

enter a different tragic universe is their imagination historical could we

their imagination historical could we

their imagination historical could we look at them as interpreters of

look at them as interpreters of

look at them as interpreters of historical events we in India have never

historical events we in India have never

historical events we in India have never been trained to look at what are called

been trained to look at what are called

been trained to look at what are called the folk traditions as being resources

the folk traditions as being resources

the folk traditions as being resources for understanding past events we are

for understanding past events we are

for understanding past events we are still figuring out where do these

still figuring out where do these

still figuring out where do these traditions belong do they belong to

traditions belong do they belong to

traditions belong do they belong to culture to history to art to literature

culture to history to art to literature

culture to history to art to literature but when and why did we begin to

but when and why did we begin to

but when and why did we begin to pigeonhole resources as being relevant

pigeonhole resources as being relevant

pigeonhole resources as being relevant to one domain or another here is a map

to one domain or another here is a map

to one domain or another here is a map printed at the Edinburgh geographical

printed at the Edinburgh geographical

printed at the Edinburgh geographical since titute in the 1900s the

since titute in the 1900s the

since titute in the 1900s the territories in pink are the territories

territories in pink are the territories

territories in pink are the territories permanently administered by the

permanently administered by the

permanently administered by the government of British India you’ll

government of British India you’ll

government of British India you’ll notice that all the boundaries

notice that all the boundaries

notice that all the boundaries in red which denotes British India and

in red which denotes British India and

in red which denotes British India and the territories in yellow indicate the

the territories in yellow indicate the

the territories in yellow indicate the native state the map represents India in

native state the map represents India in

native state the map represents India in 1909 when the fourth Earl of Minto

1909 when the fourth Earl of Minto

1909 when the fourth Earl of Minto served as the 17th Viceroy and

served as the 17th Viceroy and

served as the 17th Viceroy and governor-general of India Lord Minto

governor-general of India Lord Minto

governor-general of India Lord Minto like other British administrators of his

like other British administrators of his

like other British administrators of his time suffered from what historians have

time suffered from what historians have

time suffered from what historians have called the illusion of permanence and he

called the illusion of permanence and he

called the illusion of permanence and he argued the Raj will not disappear in

argued the Raj will not disappear in

argued the Raj will not disappear in India as long as the British race

India as long as the British race

India as long as the British race remains what it is because we shall

remains what it is because we shall

remains what it is because we shall fight for the Raj as hard as we have

fight for the Raj as hard as we have

fight for the Raj as hard as we have ever fought if it comes to fighting and

ever fought if it comes to fighting and

ever fought if it comes to fighting and we shall win as we have always won

we shall win as we have always won

we shall win as we have always won unquote he was not the only one from the

unquote he was not the only one from the

unquote he was not the only one from the early 19th century onwards a certain

early 19th century onwards a certain

early 19th century onwards a certain view of India its people its history had

view of India its people its history had

view of India its people its history had been perpetuated by the British

been perpetuated by the British

been perpetuated by the British administrators for the historian and

administrators for the historian and

administrators for the historian and political theorist James mill the past

political theorist James mill the past

political theorist James mill the past had no relevance for shaping reform in

had no relevance for shaping reform in

had no relevance for shaping reform in India because no historical narrative

India because no historical narrative

India because no historical narrative could possibly be salvaged from India’s

could possibly be salvaged from India’s

could possibly be salvaged from India’s vast mythological and legendary material

vast mythological and legendary material

vast mythological and legendary material mill thought that the past did not shape

mill thought that the past did not shape

mill thought that the past did not shape cultural identity in fact India could be

cultural identity in fact India could be

cultural identity in fact India could be reformed on the basis of rationalist

reformed on the basis of rationalist

reformed on the basis of rationalist principles alone and it should be

principles alone and it should be

principles alone and it should be possible he had argued to replace its

possible he had argued to replace its

possible he had argued to replace its different codes with a single

different codes with a single

different codes with a single comprehensive law Mills history of

comprehensive law Mills history of

comprehensive law Mills history of British India and there’s a quote from

British India and there’s a quote from

British India and there’s a quote from his history of British India was read by

his history of British India was read by

his history of British India was read by every British administrator and

every British administrator and

every British administrator and unsurprisingly in the colonial period

unsurprisingly in the colonial period

unsurprisingly in the colonial period Indians was perceived as people without

Indians was perceived as people without

Indians was perceived as people without history Indians simply did not have a

history Indians simply did not have a

history Indians simply did not have a sense of history in the same way that

sense of history in the same way that

sense of history in the same way that Europeans had but these ideas also

Europeans had but these ideas also

Europeans had but these ideas also shaped how V as Indians began to study

shaped how V as Indians began to study

shaped how V as Indians began to study history along apprenticeship with

history along apprenticeship with

history along apprenticeship with European ways of understanding the past

European ways of understanding the past

European ways of understanding the past made us look at history as

made us look at history as

made us look at history as interpretation of evidence only from

interpretation of evidence only from

interpretation of evidence only from official archives alone as a result

official archives alone as a result

official archives alone as a result Indian history

Indian history

Indian history Enrico in Indian history written records

Enrico in Indian history written records

Enrico in Indian history written records were given precedence over oral sources

the textbooks I grew up with had stories

the textbooks I grew up with had stories of Indian freedom fighters and

of Indian freedom fighters and

of Indian freedom fighters and predictably ended with Nehru stressed

predictably ended with Nehru stressed

predictably ended with Nehru stressed with destiny speech after which we did

with destiny speech after which we did

with destiny speech after which we did civics stories of those who were

civics stories of those who were

civics stories of those who were represented in the official record who

represented in the official record who

represented in the official record who became powerful once we became

became powerful once we became

became powerful once we became independent were the only stories worthy

independent were the only stories worthy

independent were the only stories worthy of historical analysis and such

of historical analysis and such

of historical analysis and such textbooks left out and they still do a

textbooks left out and they still do a

textbooks left out and they still do a range of people who engaged with the

range of people who engaged with the

range of people who engaged with the past and interpreted it through songs

past and interpreted it through songs

past and interpreted it through songs performances and oral narratives here is

performances and oral narratives here is

performances and oral narratives here is a story from a village in India you will

a story from a village in India you will

a story from a village in India you will never find in a history textbook her

never find in a history textbook her

never find in a history textbook her Dholpur is in the northernmost part of

Dholpur is in the northernmost part of

Dholpur is in the northernmost part of Madhya Pradesh and the superior

Madhya Pradesh and the superior

Madhya Pradesh and the superior community that lives there sapidus as

community that lives there sapidus as

community that lives there sapidus as you know are the snake charmer community

you know are the snake charmer community

you know are the snake charmer community they claim at least when I went there

they claim at least when I went there

they claim at least when I went there they claimed to me that they knew

they claimed to me that they knew

they claimed to me that they knew nothing about snakes why did they say

nothing about snakes why did they say

nothing about snakes why did they say this is there a historical reason for

this is there a historical reason for

this is there a historical reason for this the Indian Wildlife Protection Act

this the Indian Wildlife Protection Act

this the Indian Wildlife Protection Act of 1972 out has outlawed snake charming

of 1972 out has outlawed snake charming

of 1972 out has outlawed snake charming so this community with its knowledge of

so this community with its knowledge of

so this community with its knowledge of snakes and poisons can no longer play

snakes and poisons can no longer play

snakes and poisons can no longer play the instruments and make their snakes

the instruments and make their snakes

the instruments and make their snakes way to the tune of the beam the pipe so

way to the tune of the beam the pipe so

way to the tune of the beam the pipe so they claim now to be performers a shift

they claim now to be performers a shift

they claim now to be performers a shift that has come about because of this act

that has come about because of this act

that has come about because of this act they earn their money by working on

they earn their money by working on

they earn their money by working on construction sites which is an uncertain

occupation but slowly as I begin to talk

occupation but slowly as I begin to talk to them and they begin to trust me a

to them and they begin to trust me a

to them and they begin to trust me a little they do bring out a snake as you

little they do bring out a snake as you

little they do bring out a snake as you can see and demonstrate their skills as

can see and demonstrate their skills as

can see and demonstrate their skills as we are about to leave a local NGO worker

we are about to leave a local NGO worker

we are about to leave a local NGO worker tells me how they cannot really live

tells me how they cannot really live

tells me how they cannot really live without snakes they are very very

without snakes they are very very

without snakes they are very very connected to this world and I come away

connected to this world and I come away

connected to this world and I come away thinking of the dimension of human

thinking of the dimension of human

thinking of the dimension of human and non-human communication that we must

and non-human communication that we must

and non-human communication that we must miss out when we turned their craft into

miss out when we turned their craft into

miss out when we turned their craft into a crime we have not attempted to

a crime we have not attempted to

a crime we have not attempted to understand their past their way of

understand their past their way of

understand their past their way of learning their training or their history

learning their training or their history

learning their training or their history and V in India have made inadequate use

and V in India have made inadequate use

and V in India have made inadequate use of their deep knowledge of snakes and

of their deep knowledge of snakes and

of their deep knowledge of snakes and poisons and perhaps it is this apathy

poisons and perhaps it is this apathy

poisons and perhaps it is this apathy that is ingrained in the history that

that is ingrained in the history that

that is ingrained in the history that looks only at certain kinds of documents

looks only at certain kinds of documents

looks only at certain kinds of documents and certain kinds of people and doesn’t

and certain kinds of people and doesn’t

and certain kinds of people and doesn’t look at the practitioners of oral

look at the practitioners of oral

look at the practitioners of oral traditions perhaps this is what Tagore

traditions perhaps this is what Tagore

traditions perhaps this is what Tagore had in mind I’m sorry when he said what

had in mind I’m sorry when he said what

had in mind I’m sorry when he said what passes for Indian history does not tell

passes for Indian history does not tell

passes for Indian history does not tell us anything about the people of India so

us anything about the people of India so

us anything about the people of India so in the reconstruction of a past in India

in the reconstruction of a past in India

in the reconstruction of a past in India we do not come across people like

Gangaram ji who you see here he is the

Gangaram ji who you see here he is the only surviving Pahadi Lee Chi artist in

only surviving Pahadi Lee Chi artist in

only surviving Pahadi Lee Chi artist in a village in Uttarakhand I had to cross

a village in Uttarakhand I had to cross

a village in Uttarakhand I had to cross about 2 Hills before I could reach his

about 2 Hills before I could reach his

about 2 Hills before I could reach his house he had learned his craft as a

house he had learned his craft as a

house he had learned his craft as a teenager with five tools and went on to

teenager with five tools and went on to

teenager with five tools and went on to build 150 tools and this is not an

build 150 tools and this is not an

build 150 tools and this is not an achievement that is celebrated in fact

achievement that is celebrated in fact

achievement that is celebrated in fact there has been a silence about the lives

there has been a silence about the lives

there has been a silence about the lives of ordinary people and lives of people

of ordinary people and lives of people

of ordinary people and lives of people like Gangaram G where beautifully

like Gangaram G where beautifully

like Gangaram G where beautifully crafted doors and windows idan many

crafted doors and windows idan many

crafted doors and windows idan many urban institutions and homes we do not

urban institutions and homes we do not

urban institutions and homes we do not once think about you know their past or

once think about you know their past or

once think about you know their past or their history or Ratatat recur whose

their history or Ratatat recur whose

their history or Ratatat recur whose song you heard whose petit etre you saw

song you heard whose petit etre you saw

song you heard whose petit etre you saw and her community whose paintings hang

and her community whose paintings hang

and her community whose paintings hang in museums are collected by collectors

in museums are collected by collectors

in museums are collected by collectors across the world b-boys perhaps to

across the world b-boys perhaps to

across the world b-boys perhaps to appreciate the richness of the color the

appreciate the richness of the color the

appreciate the richness of the color the figures and in the case of Gangaram G we

figures and in the case of Gangaram G we

figures and in the case of Gangaram G we paused to look at the intricacy of the

paused to look at the intricacy of the

paused to look at the intricacy of the carvings if you look at the pinecone his

carvings if you look at the pinecone his

carvings if you look at the pinecone his carved there but we rarely paused to

carved there but we rarely paused to

carved there but we rarely paused to contemplate their lives

contemplate their lives

contemplate their lives and their history if history has to

and their history if history has to

and their history if history has to transform the way we look at ourselves

transform the way we look at ourselves

transform the way we look at ourselves as a people we must move towards an

as a people we must move towards an

as a people we must move towards an understanding of a past that embraces

understanding of a past that embraces

understanding of a past that embraces the lives of everybody not just leaders

the lives of everybody not just leaders

the lives of everybody not just leaders whose examples have inspired us but the

whose examples have inspired us but the

whose examples have inspired us but the extraordinary lives of ordinary people

extraordinary lives of ordinary people

extraordinary lives of ordinary people but also the ordinary lives of ordinary

but also the ordinary lives of ordinary

but also the ordinary lives of ordinary people I’m saying that we need a

people I’m saying that we need a

people I’m saying that we need a paradigm shift in our approach to

paradigm shift in our approach to

paradigm shift in our approach to history to focus on ordinary people and

history to focus on ordinary people and

history to focus on ordinary people and their past and how that shapes our

their past and how that shapes our

their past and how that shapes our present for these voices remind us that

present for these voices remind us that

present for these voices remind us that India’s journey is not about singular

India’s journey is not about singular

India’s journey is not about singular journeys in leadership but collective

journeys in leadership but collective

journeys in leadership but collective ones not a faint echo of what the

ones not a faint echo of what the

ones not a faint echo of what the colonial regime told us history should

colonial regime told us history should

colonial regime told us history should be nor what political read leaders

be nor what political read leaders

be nor what political read leaders identify as history but a strong

identify as history but a strong

identify as history but a strong affirmation of our relationship to the

affirmation of our relationship to the

affirmation of our relationship to the past

past

past and the myriad representor predations

and the myriad representor predations

and the myriad representor predations ordinary people bring to it thank you

ordinary people bring to it thank you

ordinary people bring to it thank you very much

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