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I once made a great discovery

I once made a great discovery I could wander the streets of Cape Town

I could wander the streets of Cape Town

I could wander the streets of Cape Town while I was sitting at home in my living

while I was sitting at home in my living

while I was sitting at home in my living room here in DC thanks to Google Maps

room here in DC thanks to Google Maps

room here in DC thanks to Google Maps Street View in 2011 I had just come back

Street View in 2011 I had just come back

Street View in 2011 I had just come back from my Fulbright year in South Africa I

from my Fulbright year in South Africa I

from my Fulbright year in South Africa I had led a creative writing Club for

had led a creative writing Club for

had led a creative writing Club for teenage girls there in Cape Town and I

teenage girls there in Cape Town and I

teenage girls there in Cape Town and I was writing a book about them now about

was writing a book about them now about

was writing a book about them now about our time together and their lives

our time together and their lives

our time together and their lives growing up as the first post-apartheid

growing up as the first post-apartheid

growing up as the first post-apartheid generation South Africans called them

generation South Africans called them

generation South Africans called them the born freeze my head was in that

the born freeze my head was in that

the born freeze my head was in that foggy space of reentry after you’ve come

foggy space of reentry after you’ve come

foggy space of reentry after you’ve come home from an amazing journey and you’re

home from an amazing journey and you’re

home from an amazing journey and you’re back in your everyday life and you

back in your everyday life and you

back in your everyday life and you wonder did that really happen I knew

wonder did that really happen I knew

wonder did that really happen I knew that it had because I had a laptop

that it had because I had a laptop

that it had because I had a laptop filled with photographs and a suitcase

filled with photographs and a suitcase

filled with photographs and a suitcase full of notebooks where I tried to take

full of notebooks where I tried to take

full of notebooks where I tried to take down every detail I could every view I

down every detail I could every view I

down every detail I could every view I could see but inevitably there’s always

could see but inevitably there’s always

could see but inevitably there’s always views that you miss one of the things

views that you miss one of the things

views that you miss one of the things that excited me about Google Maps Street

that excited me about Google Maps Street

that excited me about Google Maps Street View was I could recreate my days in

View was I could recreate my days in

View was I could recreate my days in Cape Town

Cape Town

Cape Town I looked up Pinelands the suburb where I

I looked up Pinelands the suburb where I

I looked up Pinelands the suburb where I lived and I went along its leafy quiet

lived and I went along its leafy quiet

lived and I went along its leafy quiet back streets where I learned to drive

back streets where I learned to drive

back streets where I learned to drive stick shift on the left-hand side of the

stick shift on the left-hand side of the

stick shift on the left-hand side of the road I went up in Tyrande basha Belmont

road I went up in Tyrande basha Belmont

road I went up in Tyrande basha Belmont toward the University of Cape Town which

toward the University of Cape Town which

toward the University of Cape Town which is situated up against Table Mountain in

is situated up against Table Mountain in

is situated up against Table Mountain in this incredibly beautiful view and all

this incredibly beautiful view and all

this incredibly beautiful view and all these places were really well marked on

these places were really well marked on

these places were really well marked on the map as you can see here highlighted

the map as you can see here highlighted

the map as you can see here highlighted all the blue those are the streets that

all the blue those are the streets that

all the blue those are the streets that are photographed but the place I wanted

are photographed but the place I wanted

are photographed but the place I wanted to see most was a place called Google a2

to see most was a place called Google a2

to see most was a place called Google a2 that’s where the writing Club took place

that’s where the writing Club took place

that’s where the writing Club took place and where the girls lived goups as

and where the girls lived goups as

and where the girls lived goups as locals call it it’s a Township outside

locals call it it’s a Township outside

locals call it it’s a Township outside Cape Town it’s a place where during

Cape Town it’s a place where during

Cape Town it’s a place where during apartheid black South Africans were

apartheid black South Africans were

apartheid black South Africans were forcibly removed and forced to live

forcibly removed and forced to live

forcibly removed and forced to live there as it was back then it’s a place

there as it was back then it’s a place

there as it was back then it’s a place of poverty but it’s also a place of

of poverty but it’s also a place of

of poverty but it’s also a place of great pride and for the people who live

great pride and for the people who live

great pride and for the people who live there in fact the name itself Google a2

there in fact the name itself Google a2

there in fact the name itself Google a2 means our pride in Plaza that’s the only

means our pride in Plaza that’s the only

means our pride in Plaza that’s the only click I can do in Plaza and when I was

click I can do in Plaza and when I was

click I can do in Plaza and when I was looking up Google a to one of the things

looking up Google a to one of the things

looking up Google a to one of the things I had in mind most of all was one of the

I had in mind most of all was one of the

I had in mind most of all was one of the writers her name’s Anna suena she was

writers her name’s Anna suena she was

writers her name’s Anna suena she was actually one of the first girls that I

actually one of the first girls that I

actually one of the first girls that I met when I got to Cape Town she asked me

met when I got to Cape Town she asked me

met when I got to Cape Town she asked me what I was there to do what I had come

what I was there to do what I had come

what I was there to do what I had come to her country for and so I told her I

to her country for and so I told her I

to her country for and so I told her I said I’m leading this writing Club and I

said I’m leading this writing Club and I

said I’m leading this writing Club and I hope you’ll join us and she stood up

hope you’ll join us and she stood up

hope you’ll join us and she stood up real tall as tall as she could which was

real tall as tall as she could which was

real tall as tall as she could which was maybe 5 feet and she said I’ll be there

maybe 5 feet and she said I’ll be there

maybe 5 feet and she said I’ll be there I’m a poet I thought wow you can just

I’m a poet I thought wow you can just

I’m a poet I thought wow you can just announce this without any hesitation or

announce this without any hesitation or

announce this without any hesitation or doubt and she was 18 I was 40 and I was

doubt and she was 18 I was 40 and I was

doubt and she was 18 I was 40 and I was having trouble calling myself a writer I

having trouble calling myself a writer I

having trouble calling myself a writer I got to know Anna suena really well

got to know Anna suena really well

got to know Anna suena really well during our time together in the writing

during our time together in the writing

during our time together in the writing Club but in many ways outside of it too

Club but in many ways outside of it too

Club but in many ways outside of it too I went with her to the aids clinic to

I went with her to the aids clinic to

I went with her to the aids clinic to pick up her antiretroviral medications

pick up her antiretroviral medications

pick up her antiretroviral medications we shared a lot of chicken sandwich

we shared a lot of chicken sandwich

we shared a lot of chicken sandwich wraps and fries at KFC and gooks from

wraps and fries at KFC and gooks from

wraps and fries at KFC and gooks from our first meal we shared together she

our first meal we shared together she

our first meal we shared together she she used to tease me like a younger

she used to tease me like a younger

she used to tease me like a younger sister would and then I would drive her

sister would and then I would drive her

sister would and then I would drive her home afterwards to the shack where she

home afterwards to the shack where she

home afterwards to the shack where she lived with her aunt and cousins because

lived with her aunt and cousins because

lived with her aunt and cousins because Anna so Anna’s mom had died when she was

Anna so Anna’s mom had died when she was

Anna so Anna’s mom had died when she was 10 so when I was looking on Google Maps

10 so when I was looking on Google Maps

10 so when I was looking on Google Maps what I wanted to do in particular was

what I wanted to do in particular was

what I wanted to do in particular was recreate Google a2 to look up the places

recreate Google a2 to look up the places

recreate Google a2 to look up the places there and especially anise huayna Street

there and especially anise huayna Street

there and especially anise huayna Street because I couldn’t remember if you could

because I couldn’t remember if you could

because I couldn’t remember if you could see table mountain from her streets and

see table mountain from her streets and

see table mountain from her streets and so when I went

so when I went

so when I went Google a2 I found blank space and I

Google a2 I found blank space and I

Google a2 I found blank space and I looked at it I thought that you’d be

looked at it I thought that you’d be

looked at it I thought that you’d be right the only Street that was

right the only Street that was

right the only Street that was photographed is the main drag that runs

photographed is the main drag that runs

photographed is the main drag that runs down through it and y1 and Y stands for

down through it and y1 and Y stands for

down through it and y1 and Y stands for native yards it was named this during

native yards it was named this during

native yards it was named this during apartheid as the place where black South

apartheid as the place where black South

apartheid as the place where black South Africans were forced to live it’s only

Africans were forced to live it’s only

Africans were forced to live it’s only recently been renamed Steve Biko Drive

recently been renamed Steve Biko Drive

recently been renamed Steve Biko Drive in honor of the South African

in honor of the South African

in honor of the South African anti-apartheid activist who was killed

anti-apartheid activist who was killed

anti-apartheid activist who was killed by police looking around at this – you

by police looking around at this – you

by police looking around at this – you can see there’s other townships nearby

can see there’s other townships nearby

can see there’s other townships nearby there’s mianga and crossroads and

there’s mianga and crossroads and

there’s mianga and crossroads and kyliyah and all those places were left

kyliyah and all those places were left

kyliyah and all those places were left unhighlight it as well and looking at

unhighlight it as well and looking at

unhighlight it as well and looking at this I thought if if you don’t know Cape

this I thought if if you don’t know Cape

this I thought if if you don’t know Cape Town and you come across this you’d

Town and you come across this you’d

Town and you come across this you’d think that there was nothing or no one

think that there was nothing or no one

think that there was nothing or no one there but there was I knew that I had

there but there was I knew that I had

there but there was I knew that I had been to this place I bend in these

been to this place I bend in these

been to this place I bend in these townships and I knew that they overflow

townships and I knew that they overflow

townships and I knew that they overflow with life and energy and sound and music

with life and energy and sound and music

with life and energy and sound and music when I think of Google a – I can hear

when I think of Google a – I can hear

when I think of Google a – I can hear the children in their school uniforms

the children in their school uniforms

the children in their school uniforms running down the street calling out to

running down the street calling out to

running down the street calling out to their friends I know on a warm day

their friends I know on a warm day

their friends I know on a warm day Google a – always smells like grilled

Google a – always smells like grilled

Google a – always smells like grilled meat because everyone’s out having a Bry

meat because everyone’s out having a Bry

meat because everyone’s out having a Bry which is a beloved South African

which is a beloved South African

which is a beloved South African barbecue I can almost feel the sand and

barbecue I can almost feel the sand and

barbecue I can almost feel the sand and the dust that swirls up in those fierce

the dust that swirls up in those fierce

the dust that swirls up in those fierce Cape Town winds and sticks to everything

Cape Town winds and sticks to everything

Cape Town winds and sticks to everything including you but you wouldn’t know all

including you but you wouldn’t know all

including you but you wouldn’t know all of that from these places here and so I

of that from these places here and so I

of that from these places here and so I began to wonder when we’re faced with

began to wonder when we’re faced with

began to wonder when we’re faced with blank spaces how often do we ask what

blank spaces how often do we ask what

blank spaces how often do we ask what we’re missing

we’re missing

we’re missing what views haven’t been shown what

what views haven’t been shown what

what views haven’t been shown what voices go unheard how often does our

voices go unheard how often does our

voices go unheard how often does our curiosity fail us I went into Google a –

curiosity fail us I went into Google a –

curiosity fail us I went into Google a – because I wanted to form this creative

because I wanted to form this creative

because I wanted to form this creative writing Club I wanted to help girls find

writing Club I wanted to help girls find

writing Club I wanted to help girls find their voices claim their voices and

their voices claim their voices and

their voices claim their voices and claim themselves as writers long before

claim themselves as writers long before

claim themselves as writers long before I could do that

I could do that

I could do that some of the girls like Anna suena had

some of the girls like Anna suena had

some of the girls like Anna suena had no problem speaking out from the very

no problem speaking out from the very

no problem speaking out from the very beginning other girls like I think of

beginning other girls like I think of

beginning other girls like I think of one named Tom bee she hated the sound of

one named Tom bee she hated the sound of

one named Tom bee she hated the sound of her own voice hated to talk but as we

her own voice hated to talk but as we

her own voice hated to talk but as we got to know one another as we exchanged

got to know one another as we exchanged

got to know one another as we exchanged our stories these girls to a girl found

our stories these girls to a girl found

our stories these girls to a girl found out that she had a lot to say and all I

out that she had a lot to say and all I

out that she had a lot to say and all I had to do was go in and give them the

had to do was go in and give them the

had to do was go in and give them the writing prompts and say just tell me

writing prompts and say just tell me

writing prompts and say just tell me what you think curiosity that’s all it

what you think curiosity that’s all it

what you think curiosity that’s all it took so when I came time to write my own

took so when I came time to write my own

took so when I came time to write my own book I couldn’t rely on Google a2

book I couldn’t rely on Google a2

book I couldn’t rely on Google a2 instead I went back to my photographs

instead I went back to my photographs

instead I went back to my photographs that I had taken of gooks and remembered

that I had taken of gooks and remembered

that I had taken of gooks and remembered the places and the people that I got to

the places and the people that I got to

the places and the people that I got to meet there when we miss out on the blank

meet there when we miss out on the blank

meet there when we miss out on the blank spaces we don’t know what we’re missing

spaces we don’t know what we’re missing

spaces we don’t know what we’re missing and we don’t know what else is out there

and we don’t know what else is out there

and we don’t know what else is out there and the things that we might find can

and the things that we might find can

and the things that we might find can surprise us a lots been said this year

surprise us a lots been said this year

surprise us a lots been said this year about the bubbles that we all live in

about the bubbles that we all live in

about the bubbles that we all live in here in this country political

here in this country political

here in this country political Geographic economic racial curiosity can

Geographic economic racial curiosity can

Geographic economic racial curiosity can pop those bubbles but first we have to

pop those bubbles but first we have to

pop those bubbles but first we have to hone our curiosity we have to reach in

hone our curiosity we have to reach in

hone our curiosity we have to reach in and ask the stories and find out where

and ask the stories and find out where

and ask the stories and find out where the blank spaces are and what’s missing

the blank spaces are and what’s missing

the blank spaces are and what’s missing the Nigerian writer Ben o Kree said

the Nigerian writer Ben o Kree said

the Nigerian writer Ben o Kree said stories can conquer fear you know they

stories can conquer fear you know they

stories can conquer fear you know they can make the heart bigger anise wayna

can make the heart bigger anise wayna

can make the heart bigger anise wayna overflowed with stories

overflowed with stories

overflowed with stories this girl was a walking monologue but we

this girl was a walking monologue but we

this girl was a walking monologue but we reached a point where I didn’t even have

reached a point where I didn’t even have

reached a point where I didn’t even have to ask her questions she just talked she

to ask her questions she just talked she

to ask her questions she just talked she had things to say and she had someone to

had things to say and she had someone to

had things to say and she had someone to listen to her and that was all it took

listen to her and that was all it took

listen to her and that was all it took she told me that her mother had been a

she told me that her mother had been a

she told me that her mother had been a famous singer there in South Africa and

famous singer there in South Africa and

famous singer there in South Africa and she was I googled her her name’s Anna

she was I googled her her name’s Anna

she was I googled her her name’s Anna lean her name was Anna lean malabo she

lean her name was Anna lean malabo she

lean her name was Anna lean malabo she was the lead singer of an all-girl band

was the lead singer of an all-girl band

was the lead singer of an all-girl band called joy basically she was the Diana

called joy basically she was the Diana

called joy basically she was the Diana Ross of South Africa joy was a was the

Ross of South Africa joy was a was the

Ross of South Africa joy was a was the first

first

first black pop band to have a number one hit

black pop band to have a number one hit

black pop band to have a number one hit in on the all-white charts in 1980 later

in on the all-white charts in 1980 later

in on the all-white charts in 1980 later on ana lien malabo became the first

on ana lien malabo became the first

on ana lien malabo became the first South African celebrity to publicly

South African celebrity to publicly

South African celebrity to publicly announce that she was HIV positive in

announce that she was HIV positive in

announce that she was HIV positive in 2002 when she died

2002 when she died

2002 when she died Nelson Mandela released a statement

Nelson Mandela released a statement

Nelson Mandela released a statement comforting her children and calling for

comforting her children and calling for

comforting her children and calling for anti retrovirals to be made available

anti retrovirals to be made available

anti retrovirals to be made available and affordable so that fewer children

and affordable so that fewer children

and affordable so that fewer children were orphaned ana lien had wanted to

were orphaned ana lien had wanted to

were orphaned ana lien had wanted to keep the money that she had saved for

keep the money that she had saved for

keep the money that she had saved for her children in the event of her death

her children in the event of her death

her children in the event of her death she didn’t want to spend it on the

she didn’t want to spend it on the

she didn’t want to spend it on the expensive medications so by the time she

expensive medications so by the time she

expensive medications so by the time she started on them it was too late I

started on them it was too late I

started on them it was too late I learned some of the ways that her death

learned some of the ways that her death

learned some of the ways that her death affected ana suena her daughter after

affected ana suena her daughter after

affected ana suena her daughter after her mom died she was moved around from

her mom died she was moved around from

her mom died she was moved around from place to place

place to place

place to place family family friends house to Shack

family family friends house to Shack

family family friends house to Shack Township to Township I learned that this

Township to Township I learned that this

Township to Township I learned that this instability contributed to her struggles

instability contributed to her struggles

instability contributed to her struggles in school and now when I met her she was

in school and now when I met her she was

in school and now when I met her she was 18 and she was three years behind trying

18 and she was three years behind trying

18 and she was three years behind trying to re-enter a grade 9

to re-enter a grade 9

to re-enter a grade 9 but I learned other things about her too

but I learned other things about her too

but I learned other things about her too I learned that she will sing along to

I learned that she will sing along to

I learned that she will sing along to any song that comes on the radio whether

any song that comes on the radio whether

any song that comes on the radio whether she knows it or not I learned that she

she knows it or not I learned that she

she knows it or not I learned that she loves avocados and her laugh which was

loves avocados and her laugh which was

loves avocados and her laugh which was really more of a snicker always reminded

really more of a snicker always reminded

really more of a snicker always reminded me of Ernie’s on Sesame Street I always

me of Ernie’s on Sesame Street I always

me of Ernie’s on Sesame Street I always got the feeling when I listened to her

got the feeling when I listened to her

got the feeling when I listened to her that it had been a long time since

that it had been a long time since

that it had been a long time since anyone had shown curiosity about Ana

anyone had shown curiosity about Ana

anyone had shown curiosity about Ana Suenos life when we don’t ask the

Suenos life when we don’t ask the

Suenos life when we don’t ask the stories ask the questions to get at the

stories ask the questions to get at the

stories ask the questions to get at the stories that are missing one of the most

stories that are missing one of the most

stories that are missing one of the most important things we miss out on I think

important things we miss out on I think

important things we miss out on I think are the places where our stories

are the places where our stories

are the places where our stories intersect when I first met her Ana’s

intersect when I first met her Ana’s

intersect when I first met her Ana’s suena told me early on that she herself

suena told me early on that she herself

suena told me early on that she herself was infected with HIV when she was raped

was infected with HIV when she was raped

was infected with HIV when she was raped by her uncle when she was 8

about a year after that conversation she

about a year after that conversation she told me when the subject came up again

told me when the subject came up again

told me when the subject came up again she said an aunt had told her that the

she said an aunt had told her that the

she said an aunt had told her that the abuse was her own thought I remembered

abuse was her own thought I remembered

abuse was her own thought I remembered this day it was one of my last days

this day it was one of my last days

this day it was one of my last days living in South Africa before I was

living in South Africa before I was

living in South Africa before I was coming back to DC and it was a perfect

coming back to DC and it was a perfect

coming back to DC and it was a perfect December summer day and we were driving

December summer day and we were driving

December summer day and we were driving along out the coast toward the Cape of

along out the coast toward the Cape of

along out the coast toward the Cape of Good Hope and she told me this and this

Good Hope and she told me this and this

Good Hope and she told me this and this comment from her aunt so outraged me

comment from her aunt so outraged me

comment from her aunt so outraged me that I almost couldn’t see clearly to

that I almost couldn’t see clearly to

that I almost couldn’t see clearly to drive the car and then I did something

drive the car and then I did something

drive the car and then I did something that I didn’t expect I would do

that I didn’t expect I would do

that I didn’t expect I would do I told Anna suena that my own uncle had

I told Anna suena that my own uncle had

I told Anna suena that my own uncle had molested me when I was 8 I told her that

molested me when I was 8 I told her that

molested me when I was 8 I told her that my parents told me it wasn’t my fault

my parents told me it wasn’t my fault

my parents told me it wasn’t my fault but we never could talk about it so I

but we never could talk about it so I

but we never could talk about it so I had spent years of my life thinking that

had spent years of my life thinking that

had spent years of my life thinking that it was and I really didn’t want her to

it was and I really didn’t want her to

it was and I really didn’t want her to think that about herself but Anna suena

think that about herself but Anna suena

think that about herself but Anna suena didn’t she said sure I know I’m not to

didn’t she said sure I know I’m not to

didn’t she said sure I know I’m not to blame and all I could do was laugh at

blame and all I could do was laugh at

blame and all I could do was laugh at the sheer moxie of this girl stories do

the sheer moxie of this girl stories do

the sheer moxie of this girl stories do conquer fear they do make the heart

conquer fear they do make the heart

conquer fear they do make the heart bigger and I believe they make the world

bigger and I believe they make the world

bigger and I believe they make the world smaller and closer Anna suena told me

smaller and closer Anna suena told me

smaller and closer Anna suena told me her story and I told her mine and our

her story and I told her mine and our

her story and I told her mine and our stories intersect with millions of

stories intersect with millions of

stories intersect with millions of others because worldwide one in five

others because worldwide one in five

others because worldwide one in five women reports she was sexually abused as

women reports she was sexually abused as

women reports she was sexually abused as a child and many more never report it

a child and many more never report it

a child and many more never report it statistically that has to include women

statistically that has to include women

statistically that has to include women listening to this talk

this girl from Google a – she was a poet

this girl from Google a – she was a poet long before I ever went to her community

long before I ever went to her community

long before I ever went to her community to lead a riding club she taught me how

to lead a riding club she taught me how

to lead a riding club she taught me how to tell my own story and how to be brave

to tell my own story and how to be brave

to tell my own story and how to be brave enough to do it so Google Maps couldn’t

enough to do it so Google Maps couldn’t

enough to do it so Google Maps couldn’t show me a picture from Anna suena Street

show me a picture from Anna suena Street

show me a picture from Anna suena Street but on a visit back there in 2014 I took

but on a visit back there in 2014 I took

but on a visit back there in 2014 I took a better one of my own I want to leave

a better one of my own I want to leave

a better one of my own I want to leave you with the challenge seek out the

you with the challenge seek out the

you with the challenge seek out the places on the maps that are left blank

places on the maps that are left blank

places on the maps that are left blank look for those empty spaces and the

look for those empty spaces and the

look for those empty spaces and the voices that aren’t heard from and ask

voices that aren’t heard from and ask

voices that aren’t heard from and ask why you don’t even have to go halfway

why you don’t even have to go halfway

why you don’t even have to go halfway around the world to do this you can do

around the world to do this you can do

around the world to do this you can do it in your own country your community

it in your own country your community

it in your own country your community your family your bubble you can do it in

your family your bubble you can do it in

your family your bubble you can do it in your own life even with the stories that

your own life even with the stories that

your own life even with the stories that you thought you could never tell because

you thought you could never tell because

you thought you could never tell because I believe that the intersection of all

I believe that the intersection of all

I believe that the intersection of all of our stories forms one curious

of our stories forms one curious

of our stories forms one curious beautiful picture thank you

beautiful picture thank you

beautiful picture thank you [Applause]

[Applause]

[Applause] you

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