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What if we allowed girls in school with their babies | Christine Semambo | TEDxNakaseroWomen


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[Music] Uganda has one of the highest school

Uganda has one of the highest school

Uganda has one of the highest school dropout rates in sub-saharan Africa the

dropout rates in sub-saharan Africa the

dropout rates in sub-saharan Africa the 2012 UNESCO report put it at 68 percent

2012 UNESCO report put it at 68 percent

2012 UNESCO report put it at 68 percent just second behind Chad at 72% and

just second behind Chad at 72% and

just second behind Chad at 72% and Mauritius and Botswana returned the

Mauritius and Botswana returned the

Mauritius and Botswana returned the lowest percentages at 2 and 7%

lowest percentages at 2 and 7%

lowest percentages at 2 and 7% respectively studies conducted in Uganda

respectively studies conducted in Uganda

respectively studies conducted in Uganda show that pregnancy is one of the major

show that pregnancy is one of the major

show that pregnancy is one of the major causes of school girl dropouts some of

causes of school girl dropouts some of

causes of school girl dropouts some of these studies include grant and homeland

these studies include grant and homeland

these studies include grant and homeland 2008 ahi Chile and Madonna 2011 but MBA

2008 ahi Chile and Madonna 2011 but MBA

2008 ahi Chile and Madonna 2011 but MBA al 2014

al 2014

al 2014 stable nor a all 2015 and the Ministry

stable nor a all 2015 and the Ministry

stable nor a all 2015 and the Ministry of Education and sports in Uganda 2015

of Education and sports in Uganda 2015

of Education and sports in Uganda 2015 and a study commissioned by Farah Uganda

and a study commissioned by Farah Uganda

and a study commissioned by Farah Uganda that is forum for African women

that is forum for African women

that is forum for African women educationalists in 2011 in that study 34

educationalists in 2011 in that study 34

educationalists in 2011 in that study 34 percent of the teachers and 65% of the

percent of the teachers and 65% of the

percent of the teachers and 65% of the students said that pregnancy is the

students said that pregnancy is the

students said that pregnancy is the major cause of dropout on a national

major cause of dropout on a national

major cause of dropout on a national scale their Uganda health and the group

scale their Uganda health and the group

scale their Uganda health and the group demographic survey of 2012 showed that

demographic survey of 2012 showed that

demographic survey of 2012 showed that 13 to 19 year olds 24% of them at that

13 to 19 year olds 24% of them at that

13 to 19 year olds 24% of them at that time of the survey were either pregnant

time of the survey were either pregnant

time of the survey were either pregnant or had had their first bath and of these

or had had their first bath and of these

or had had their first bath and of these the highest prevalences were in Karamoja

the highest prevalences were in Karamoja

the highest prevalences were in Karamoja in the northeastern part of Uganda and

in the northeastern part of Uganda and

in the northeastern part of Uganda and in Eastern Europe

in Eastern Europe

in Eastern Europe and in the central eastern part of

and in the central eastern part of

and in the central eastern part of Uganda here we had percentages as high

Uganda here we had percentages as high

Uganda here we had percentages as high as twenty nine point seven to thirty

as twenty nine point seven to thirty

as twenty nine point seven to thirty point six percent now of these girls who

point six percent now of these girls who

point six percent now of these girls who were found pregnant in that study or at

were found pregnant in that study or at

were found pregnant in that study or at the time of that survey it was also

the time of that survey it was also

the time of that survey it was also noted that the girls from the poorer

noted that the girls from the poorer

noted that the girls from the poorer households were more likely to be

households were more likely to be

households were more likely to be pregnant as opposed to those from the

pregnant as opposed to those from the

pregnant as opposed to those from the wealthier households and these were in

wealthier households and these were in

wealthier households and these were in percentages of 36 to 16 percent then the

percentages of 36 to 16 percent then the

percentages of 36 to 16 percent then the same survey also noted that for the

same survey also noted that for the

same survey also noted that for the girls who are in a marriage relationship

girls who are in a marriage relationship

girls who are in a marriage relationship there were twenty percent girls as

there were twenty percent girls as

there were twenty percent girls as opposed to two percent boys now these

opposed to two percent boys now these

opposed to two percent boys now these statistics are alarming because fourteen

statistics are alarming because fourteen

statistics are alarming because fourteen to nineteen year olds are supposed to be

to nineteen year olds are supposed to be

to nineteen year olds are supposed to be in school and that stat get me

in school and that stat get me

in school and that stat get me questioning what happens to these girls

questioning what happens to these girls

questioning what happens to these girls we all never dividends that come with

we all never dividends that come with

we all never dividends that come with every Australia that you send a girl to

every Australia that you send a girl to

every Australia that you send a girl to school their dividends for the girl for

school their dividends for the girl for

school their dividends for the girl for her family in future for her children

her family in future for her children

her family in future for her children for the economy for the environment the

for the economy for the environment the

for the economy for the environment the patient get her self-esteem the list is

patient get her self-esteem the list is

patient get her self-esteem the list is numerous and yet here are these girls

numerous and yet here are these girls

numerous and yet here are these girls dropping out of school so I asked what

dropping out of school so I asked what

dropping out of school so I asked what happens next and in asking these

happens next and in asking these

happens next and in asking these questions in trying to find an answer

questions in trying to find an answer

questions in trying to find an answer that is how in 2012 I got to learn about

that is how in 2012 I got to learn about

that is how in 2012 I got to learn about a Lisa Chan and pa’dar girls Academy

a Lisa Chan and pa’dar girls Academy

a Lisa Chan and pa’dar girls Academy paddy girls Academy is perhaps the only

paddy girls Academy is perhaps the only

paddy girls Academy is perhaps the only school in Uganda and East Africa where

school in Uganda and East Africa where

school in Uganda and East Africa where pregnant girls cherried mothers and

pregnant girls cherried mothers and

pregnant girls cherried mothers and their children study in the same

their children study in the same

their children study in the same environment so in 2012 I set off

environment so in 2012 I set off

environment so in 2012 I set off but industry pada district is 407

but industry pada district is 407

but industry pada district is 407 kilometers from the capital city Kampala

kilometers from the capital city Kampala

kilometers from the capital city Kampala and it’s one of the districts that was

and it’s one of the districts that was

and it’s one of the districts that was hardest hit by the lives Resistance Army

hardest hit by the lives Resistance Army

hardest hit by the lives Resistance Army War of Joseph Kony so we went traveled

War of Joseph Kony so we went traveled

War of Joseph Kony so we went traveled two and a half hours into that journey

two and a half hours into that journey

two and a half hours into that journey we stopped at a place called Madeira had

we stopped at a place called Madeira had

we stopped at a place called Madeira had a health break had something to eat and

a health break had something to eat and

a health break had something to eat and we continued on our journey and about to

we continued on our journey and about to

we continued on our journey and about to health breaks later and many many

health breaks later and many many

health breaks later and many many kilometres later we arrived in paddy

kilometres later we arrived in paddy

kilometres later we arrived in paddy when it was getting dark the following

when it was getting dark the following

when it was getting dark the following day in the morning I got to meet my host

day in the morning I got to meet my host

day in the morning I got to meet my host ELISA Chan and she took me to her

ELISA Chan and she took me to her

ELISA Chan and she took me to her organization Christian counseling

organization Christian counseling

organization Christian counseling fellowship CCF and we met under a tree

fellowship CCF and we met under a tree

fellowship CCF and we met under a tree why under a tree she told me that this

why under a tree she told me that this

why under a tree she told me that this is where it all began

is where it all began

is where it all began in 2002 a group of Christian women in

in 2002 a group of Christian women in

in 2002 a group of Christian women in padilla district had got together and

padilla district had got together and

padilla district had got together and they had formed the Christian counseling

they had formed the Christian counseling

they had formed the Christian counseling fellowship CCF and in 2003 right under

fellowship CCF and in 2003 right under

fellowship CCF and in 2003 right under that mango tree young girls returning

that mango tree young girls returning

that mango tree young girls returning from captivity came to this tree as a

from captivity came to this tree as a

from captivity came to this tree as a place of Solace they would come many of

place of Solace they would come many of

place of Solace they would come many of them with babies or pregnant some of

them with babies or pregnant some of

them with babies or pregnant some of them as young as twelve years old and

them as young as twelve years old and

them as young as twelve years old and under this tree they would be given

under this tree they would be given

under this tree they would be given small things to help them through life

small things to help them through life

small things to help them through life baby shows pieces of soap that many of

baby shows pieces of soap that many of

baby shows pieces of soap that many of these girls were traumatized because

these girls were traumatized because

these girls were traumatized because many of them had become so sex slaves to

many of them had become so sex slaves to

many of them had become so sex slaves to the LRA rebels many of them had become

the LRA rebels many of them had become

the LRA rebels many of them had become combatants and they were not being

combatants and they were not being

combatants and they were not being accepted in the community so between

accepted in the community so between

accepted in the community so between 2003 and 2006 CCF started psychosocial

2003 and 2006 CCF started psychosocial

2003 and 2006 CCF started psychosocial support for these girls

support for these girls

support for these girls and when they realize that even in the

and when they realize that even in the

and when they realize that even in the community people are not willing to help

community people are not willing to help

community people are not willing to help these girls because many of them say

these girls because many of them say

these girls because many of them say that you are associated with the rebels

that you are associated with the rebels

that you are associated with the rebels you have children of the rebels

you have children of the rebels

you have children of the rebels supposing they come after us others

supposing they come after us others

supposing they come after us others failed that you have him evil spirits we

failed that you have him evil spirits we

failed that you have him evil spirits we don’t want anything to do with you yet

don’t want anything to do with you yet

don’t want anything to do with you yet they had children to look after

they had children to look after

they had children to look after themselves children and so at that time

themselves children and so at that time

themselves children and so at that time our vocational section was started by

our vocational section was started by

our vocational section was started by CCF but as they took these girls through

CCF but as they took these girls through

CCF but as they took these girls through the vocational training they also

the vocational training they also

the vocational training they also realized that some of them were bright

realized that some of them were bright

realized that some of them were bright and were willing to go back to school so

and were willing to go back to school so

and were willing to go back to school so in 2008 Padilla girls Academy was born

in 2008 Padilla girls Academy was born

in 2008 Padilla girls Academy was born and after giving me this background to

and after giving me this background to

and after giving me this background to the Academy Alice took me to the school

the Academy Alice took me to the school

the Academy Alice took me to the school we started off by going to the dormitory

we started off by going to the dormitory

we started off by going to the dormitory where the girls sleep and in the

where the girls sleep and in the

where the girls sleep and in the dormitory we found a girl with a baby

dormitory we found a girl with a baby

dormitory we found a girl with a baby the rest of the girls had gone to class

the rest of the girls had gone to class

the rest of the girls had gone to class and understand me that the girls sleep

and understand me that the girls sleep

and understand me that the girls sleep with their babies so that they can

with their babies so that they can

with their babies so that they can breastfeed them and they can’t born and

breastfeed them and they can’t born and

breastfeed them and they can’t born and if a baby’s done well a girl can stay

if a baby’s done well a girl can stay

if a baby’s done well a girl can stay with hi in the dormitory she told me

with hi in the dormitory she told me

with hi in the dormitory she told me that when the girls wake up they cleaned

that when the girls wake up they cleaned

that when the girls wake up they cleaned the babies the girls head for the

the babies the girls head for the

the babies the girls head for the classroom and they take the girls they

classroom and they take the girls they

classroom and they take the girls they take their babies to the Early Childhood

take their babies to the Early Childhood

take their babies to the Early Childhood Development Center so from the dormitory

Development Center so from the dormitory

Development Center so from the dormitory we’ll move to the Early Childhood

we’ll move to the Early Childhood

we’ll move to the Early Childhood Development Center and here I found

Development Center and here I found

Development Center and here I found babies between six months and two year

babies between six months and two year

babies between six months and two year olds being looked after

olds being looked after

olds being looked after they were caregivers there and from the

they were caregivers there and from the

they were caregivers there and from the Early Childhood Development Center we

Early Childhood Development Center we

Early Childhood Development Center we moved to the classroom in between I was

moved to the classroom in between I was

moved to the classroom in between I was told that when the girls bring the

told that when the girls bring the

told that when the girls bring the babies to the center if a baby cries oh

babies to the center if a baby cries oh

babies to the center if a baby cries oh is upset they can get the baby to go to

is upset they can get the baby to go to

is upset they can get the baby to go to the classroom say that she’s oozed and

the classroom say that she’s oozed and

the classroom say that she’s oozed and she’s with the mother and there you can

she’s with the mother and there you can

she’s with the mother and there you can see some of the girls with their babies

see some of the girls with their babies

see some of the girls with their babies so the guys are always given their

so the guys are always given their

so the guys are always given their babies that was at one of the functions

babies that was at one of the functions

babies that was at one of the functions where the girls came to bad school girls

where the girls came to bad school girls

where the girls came to bad school girls allowed to look after their babies and

allowed to look after their babies and

allowed to look after their babies and on this particular visit in 2012 we

on this particular visit in 2012 we

on this particular visit in 2012 we found one of the girls in the classroom

found one of the girls in the classroom

found one of the girls in the classroom with her baby and there were no more

with her baby and there were no more

with her baby and there were no more girls

girls

girls like you can see young girls in their

like you can see young girls in their

like you can see young girls in their school uniforms but with babies and back

school uniforms but with babies and back

school uniforms but with babies and back from the war then when the classroom

from the war then when the classroom

from the war then when the classroom move move down and we went to the

move move down and we went to the

move move down and we went to the vocational section the vocational

vocational section the vocational

vocational section the vocational section had been started mainly to help

section had been started mainly to help

section had been started mainly to help girls who had dropped out at a very low

girls who had dropped out at a very low

girls who had dropped out at a very low level because the hands who dropped out

level because the hands who dropped out

level because the hands who dropped out at the secondary school level we are

at the secondary school level we are

at the secondary school level we are taken through an accelerated learning

taken through an accelerated learning

taken through an accelerated learning program it’s like a bridging program

program it’s like a bridging program

program it’s like a bridging program which enables them to catch up and then

which enables them to catch up and then

which enables them to catch up and then they can go and rejoin the class where

they can go and rejoin the class where

they can go and rejoin the class where they dropped out but those ones who are

they dropped out but those ones who are

they dropped out but those ones who are at a very low level are taken into that

at a very low level are taken into that

at a very low level are taken into that vocational section so that they’re able

vocational section so that they’re able

vocational section so that they’re able to learn a skill and to look after their

to learn a skill and to look after their

to learn a skill and to look after their babies and here we found girls who are

babies and here we found girls who are

babies and here we found girls who are bilking we found girls who were sailing

bilking we found girls who were sailing

bilking we found girls who were sailing and there was one girl in particular

and there was one girl in particular

and there was one girl in particular Jane who had completed her vocational

Jane who had completed her vocational

Jane who had completed her vocational studies and Jane – ended us that she

studies and Jane – ended us that she

studies and Jane – ended us that she supplies bread to Paddy Tao she’s able

supplies bread to Paddy Tao she’s able

supplies bread to Paddy Tao she’s able to live a life of dignity to look after

to live a life of dignity to look after

to live a life of dignity to look after her baby

her baby

her baby but what really touched me was that Jane

but what really touched me was that Jane

but what really touched me was that Jane has become a change agent she goes out

has become a change agent she goes out

has become a change agent she goes out into the communities and talks to the

into the communities and talks to the

into the communities and talks to the other girls and tells them that don’t

other girls and tells them that don’t

other girls and tells them that don’t get pregnant it’s not an easy road to

get pregnant it’s not an easy road to

get pregnant it’s not an easy road to get pregnant at an early age to drop out

get pregnant at an early age to drop out

get pregnant at an early age to drop out of school so despite the trauma she went

of school so despite the trauma she went

of school so despite the trauma she went through she is able to go and talk to

through she is able to go and talk to

through she is able to go and talk to other girls she also takes two guys with

other girls she also takes two guys with

other girls she also takes two guys with India Academy as a peer educator telling

India Academy as a peer educator telling

India Academy as a peer educator telling them that do not get a second pregnancy

them that do not get a second pregnancy

them that do not get a second pregnancy complete your education and see how to

complete your education and see how to

complete your education and see how to look after yourself and your children

look after yourself and your children

look after yourself and your children and from the classroom the vocational

and from the classroom the vocational

and from the classroom the vocational section we went to the head teachers

section we went to the head teachers

section we went to the head teachers office and they and the whales were

office and they and the whales were

office and they and the whales were photographs of the petite girls with

photographs of the petite girls with

photographs of the petite girls with trophies they’d won in sports they were

trophies they’d won in sports they were

trophies they’d won in sports they were performing well academically and Alice

performing well academically and Alice

performing well academically and Alice told me that these girls were actually

told me that these girls were actually

told me that these girls were actually performing some of the best performance

performing some of the best performance

performing some of the best performance in paddy districts the school was doing

in paddy districts the school was doing

in paddy districts the school was doing very well so as I went back I thought

very well so as I went back I thought

very well so as I went back I thought what can I do to be a small piece of

what can I do to be a small piece of

what can I do to be a small piece of this change to help bring down the

this change to help bring down the

this change to help bring down the statistics that 24% of the 14 to the 19

statistics that 24% of the 14 to the 19

statistics that 24% of the 14 to the 19 year olds and I practiced that each time

year olds and I practiced that each time

year olds and I practiced that each time I get an opportunity to speak at a forum

I get an opportunity to speak at a forum

I get an opportunity to speak at a forum like this one each time I get a platform

like this one each time I get a platform

like this one each time I get a platform I talk about this good model

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