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What If Everything Changed? | Robin Hanson | TEDxNorrköping


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[Music] this is all of history on one graph on

this is all of history on one graph on

this is all of history on one graph on the x-axis we have time collapsed

the x-axis we have time collapsed

the x-axis we have time collapsed logarithmic ly so we can see it all

logarithmic ly so we can see it all

logarithmic ly so we can see it all together on the y-axis is the logarithm

together on the y-axis is the logarithm

together on the y-axis is the logarithm of growth rates and you can see history

of growth rates and you can see history

of growth rates and you can see history is well summarized as a sequence of

is well summarized as a sequence of

is well summarized as a sequence of exponential growth modes during each era

exponential growth modes during each era

exponential growth modes during each era the growth rate was steady and then

the growth rate was steady and then

the growth rate was steady and then there were sudden jumps where the growth

there were sudden jumps where the growth

there were sudden jumps where the growth rate grew by a factor of 50 to 200

rate grew by a factor of 50 to 200

rate grew by a factor of 50 to 200 during the forager era humans doubled

during the forager era humans doubled

during the forager era humans doubled roughly every quarter million years for

roughly every quarter million years for

roughly every quarter million years for about two million years ago ten thousand

about two million years ago ten thousand

about two million years ago ten thousand years there was a sudden transitions to

years there was a sudden transitions to

years there was a sudden transitions to the farming revolution where farmers

the farming revolution where farmers

the farming revolution where farmers started doubling roughly a thousand

started doubling roughly a thousand

started doubling roughly a thousand years a few hundred years ago there was

years a few hundred years ago there was

years a few hundred years ago there was a sudden transition to the Industrial

a sudden transition to the Industrial

a sudden transition to the Industrial Revolution where industry has been

Revolution where industry has been

Revolution where industry has been doubling roughly every 15 years if this

doubling roughly every 15 years if this

doubling roughly every 15 years if this pattern were to continue then roughly

pattern were to continue then roughly

pattern were to continue then roughly sometime in the next century or so there

sometime in the next century or so there

sometime in the next century or so there would be a transition that took ten

would be a transition that took ten

would be a transition that took ten years or less after which the economy

years or less after which the economy

years or less after which the economy would be doubling every month and that

would be doubling every month and that

would be doubling every month and that would last for only a year or two until

would last for only a year or two until

would last for only a year or two until something else happened that would be

something else happened that would be

something else happened that would be the straightforward projection of

the straightforward projection of

the straightforward projection of history following this pattern what

history following this pattern what

history following this pattern what could possibly cause such an enormous

could possibly cause such an enormous

could possibly cause such an enormous change one of the most common

change one of the most common

change one of the most common speculations is robots as smartest

speculations is robots as smartest

speculations is robots as smartest people there are several ways that might

people there are several ways that might

people there are several ways that might conceivably happen probably the most

conceivably happen probably the most

conceivably happen probably the most straightforward way is that we keep

straightforward way is that we keep

straightforward way is that we keep accumulating software the way we’ve been

accumulating software the way we’ve been

accumulating software the way we’ve been doing for the last 70 years I used to be

doing for the last 70 years I used to be

doing for the last 70 years I used to be an AI researcher for nine years and I’ve

an AI researcher for nine years and I’ve

an AI researcher for nine years and I’ve been in the habit of talking to a our

been in the habit of talking to a our

been in the habit of talking to a our researchers who’ve been in their field

researchers who’ve been in their field

researchers who’ve been in their field for at least twenty years such as our

for at least twenty years such as our

for at least twenty years such as our last speaker and asking them the

last speaker and asking them the

last speaker and asking them the question how far have we come in the

question how far have we come in the

question how far have we come in the last 20 years as a percentage of the

last 20 years as a percentage of the

last 20 years as a percentage of the distance to human level abilities and

distance to human level abilities and

distance to human level abilities and they usually tell me five to ten percent

they usually tell me five to ten percent

they usually tell me five to ten percent of the way noticeable acceleration and

of the way noticeable acceleration and

of the way noticeable acceleration and at that rate we’re talking two to four

at that rate we’re talking two to four

at that rate we’re talking two to four centuries but that would eventually

centuries but that would eventually

centuries but that would eventually happen some people think I was described

happen some people think I was described

happen some people think I was described in a previous video

in a previous video

in a previous video that it’s gonna happen a lot faster

that it’s gonna happen a lot faster

that it’s gonna happen a lot faster because we’re gonna discover some great

because we’re gonna discover some great

because we’re gonna discover some great grand theories of intelligence or

grand theories of intelligence or

grand theories of intelligence or learning i’m skeptical but i’m gonna

learning i’m skeptical but i’m gonna

learning i’m skeptical but i’m gonna talk in this here about a third scenario

talk in this here about a third scenario

talk in this here about a third scenario it’s not guaranteed to happen but it’s

it’s not guaranteed to happen but it’s

it’s not guaranteed to happen but it’s plausible and enough to be worth

plausible and enough to be worth

plausible and enough to be worth exploring the scenario is two-port

exploring the scenario is two-port

exploring the scenario is two-port software so today if you have an old

software so today if you have an old

software so today if you have an old machine writing software you like and

machine writing software you like and

machine writing software you like and you want software like that running on a

you want software like that running on a

you want software like that running on a new machine you could try to stare at

new machine you could try to stare at

new machine you could try to stare at this software guess how it works and

this software guess how it works and

this software guess how it works and then write software in the new machine

then write software in the new machine

then write software in the new machine that works how you think it works on the

that works how you think it works on the

that works how you think it works on the old machine or you can write what’s

old machine or you can write what’s

old machine or you can write what’s called an emulator on the new machine

called an emulator on the new machine

called an emulator on the new machine that makes the new one looked like the

that makes the new one looked like the

that makes the new one looked like the old one to the software if you can write

old one to the software if you can write

old one to the software if you can write an emulator you just move the software

an emulator you just move the software

an emulator you just move the software right over and it works without you

right over and it works without you

right over and it works without you having to understand it so the idea is

having to understand it so the idea is

having to understand it so the idea is to try to do that for the human brain to

to try to do that for the human brain to

to try to do that for the human brain to make that work we’re gonna have three

make that work we’re gonna have three

make that work we’re gonna have three technologies that aren’t at the right

technologies that aren’t at the right

technologies that aren’t at the right levels yet but when they are emulations

levels yet but when they are emulations

levels yet but when they are emulations become possible one is we need lots of

become possible one is we need lots of

become possible one is we need lots of cheap fast parallel computers we don’t

cheap fast parallel computers we don’t

cheap fast parallel computers we don’t have them yet second we need to take

have them yet second we need to take

have them yet second we need to take individual brains scan them and find

individual brains scan them and find

individual brains scan them and find spatial and chemical detail to see

spatial and chemical detail to see

spatial and chemical detail to see exactly what’s we’re connected to what

exactly what’s we’re connected to what

exactly what’s we’re connected to what of what type third we need computer

of what type third we need computer

of what type third we need computer models of each kind of cell in the brain

models of each kind of cell in the brain

models of each kind of cell in the brain a model of how it takes signals in

a model of how it takes signals in

a model of how it takes signals in changes internal states and signals out

changes internal states and signals out

changes internal states and signals out if you have good enough models for all

if you have good enough models for all

if you have good enough models for all the kinds of cells a good enough scan of

the kinds of cells a good enough scan of

the kinds of cells a good enough scan of a particular brain then you can make a

a particular brain then you can make a

a particular brain then you can make a model of that entire brain an emulation

model of that entire brain an emulation

model of that entire brain an emulation of that brain and if the models and

of that brain and if the models and

of that brain and if the models and parameters are good enough then it will

parameters are good enough then it will

parameters are good enough then it will have the same input-output behavior as

have the same input-output behavior as

have the same input-output behavior as the original brain that is you could

the original brain that is you could

the original brain that is you could hook it up with artificial eyes ears

hook it up with artificial eyes ears

hook it up with artificial eyes ears hands mouth you could talk to it it

hands mouth you could talk to it it

hands mouth you could talk to it it would talk back you could ask to do jobs

would talk back you could ask to do jobs

would talk back you could ask to do jobs it might do them if it was cheap it

it might do them if it was cheap it

it might do them if it was cheap it would change everything

would change everything

would change everything now I’ve been around people talking

now I’ve been around people talking

now I’ve been around people talking about this idea for many decades

about this idea for many decades

about this idea for many decades it’s a favorite topic college

it’s a favorite topic college

it’s a favorite topic college late-night conversations and the usual

late-night conversations and the usual

late-night conversations and the usual topics that come up are is it even

topics that come up are is it even

topics that come up are is it even possible to make an emulation of a human

possible to make an emulation of a human

possible to make an emulation of a human a machine that emulates a real

a machine that emulates a real

a machine that emulates a real flesh-and-blood human if you made one

flesh-and-blood human if you made one

flesh-and-blood human if you made one would it be conscious or is it just an

would it be conscious or is it just an

would it be conscious or is it just an empty machine if you made one of me is

empty machine if you made one of me is

empty machine if you made one of me is it me or is it someone else

it me or is it someone else

it me or is it someone else these are all fascinating questions that

these are all fascinating questions that

these are all fascinating questions that I’m going to ignore because I thought

I’m going to ignore because I thought

I’m going to ignore because I thought the neglected question has been what

the neglected question has been what

the neglected question has been what would actually happen so I wrote this

would actually happen so I wrote this

would actually happen so I wrote this book to try to say of what I’m gonna

book to try to say of what I’m gonna

book to try to say of what I’m gonna explain my method on this slide and then

explain my method on this slide and then

explain my method on this slide and then from here we’re

from here we’re

from here we’re say will all the conclusions about this

say will all the conclusions about this

say will all the conclusions about this world my method is first I’m trying not

world my method is first I’m trying not

world my method is first I’m trying not to be creative or original other than by

to be creative or original other than by

to be creative or original other than by asking this unusual question just

asking this unusual question just

asking this unusual question just straightforwardly apply academic

straightforwardly apply academic

straightforwardly apply academic consensus secondly I’m gonna not say

consensus secondly I’m gonna not say

consensus secondly I’m gonna not say what should be I’m gonna just try to say

what should be I’m gonna just try to say

what should be I’m gonna just try to say what’s likely to happen if we did the

what’s likely to happen if we did the

what’s likely to happen if we did the least to avoid it you don’t have to like

least to avoid it you don’t have to like

least to avoid it you don’t have to like it not my job

it not my job

it not my job third I’m gonna focus on the robots

third I’m gonna focus on the robots

third I’m gonna focus on the robots because that’s where most of the action

because that’s where most of the action

because that’s where most of the action is but we will talk about humans I’m

is but we will talk about humans I’m

is but we will talk about humans I’m gonna try to talk about the next era

gonna try to talk about the next era

gonna try to talk about the next era after ours it’s as big as different from

after ours it’s as big as different from

after ours it’s as big as different from ours as these previous eras I’m not

ours as these previous eras I’m not

ours as these previous eras I’m not gonna tell you about the history of the

gonna tell you about the history of the

gonna tell you about the history of the universe for the next trillion years

universe for the next trillion years

universe for the next trillion years after this error other things happen I

after this error other things happen I

after this error other things happen I don’t know what I’m gonna focus on after

don’t know what I’m gonna focus on after

don’t know what I’m gonna focus on after a transition things are easier to

a transition things are easier to

a transition things are easier to predict when it’s an equilibrium during

predict when it’s an equilibrium during

predict when it’s an equilibrium during transitions things are unstable I’m

transitions things are unstable I’m

transitions things are unstable I’m gonna use our standard first cut tool of

gonna use our standard first cut tool of

gonna use our standard first cut tool of economists which is called supply and

economists which is called supply and

economists which is called supply and demand which implicitly assumes there’s

demand which implicitly assumes there’s

demand which implicitly assumes there’s lots of buyers and sellers for

lots of buyers and sellers for

lots of buyers and sellers for everything not much regulation finally

everything not much regulation finally

everything not much regulation finally I’m gonna soon the emulations themselves

I’m gonna soon the emulations themselves

I’m gonna soon the emulations themselves are as simple as they can be they’re

are as simple as they can be they’re

are as simple as they can be they’re opaque you made this emulation of

opaque you made this emulation of

opaque you made this emulation of someone it’s a black box you can turn it

someone it’s a black box you can turn it

someone it’s a black box you can turn it on turn it off

on turn it off

on turn it off erase it copy it run it fast run it slow

erase it copy it run it fast run it slow

erase it copy it run it fast run it slow that’s it

that’s it

that’s it can’t do anything else all right those

can’t do anything else all right those

can’t do anything else all right those are the rules and now let’s hear about

are the rules and now let’s hear about

are the rules and now let’s hear about the age of em first of all I can tell

the age of em first of all I can tell

the age of em first of all I can tell you a number of things that are true

you a number of things that are true

you a number of things that are true just because Em’s are robots they would

just because Em’s are robots they would

just because Em’s are robots they would be true for any world dominated by

be true for any world dominated by

be true for any world dominated by robots robots can be represented as

robots robots can be represented as

robots robots can be represented as computer files so they can be immortal

computer files so they can be immortal

computer files so they can be immortal now your houses and cars are in

now your houses and cars are in

now your houses and cars are in principle immortal because you could

principle immortal because you could

principle immortal because you could keep repairing them and they could last

keep repairing them and they could last

keep repairing them and they could last forever but that doesn’t mean you do in

forever but that doesn’t mean you do in

forever but that doesn’t mean you do in principle immortality doesn’t mean

principle immortality doesn’t mean

principle immortality doesn’t mean actual immortality it’s a possibility

actual immortality it’s a possibility

actual immortality it’s a possibility you could send computer files around the

you could send computer files around the

you could send computer files around the world at the speed of light so robots

world at the speed of light so robots

world at the speed of light so robots can move around the world at the speed

can move around the world at the speed

can move around the world at the speed of light as a file you know that if we

of light as a file you know that if we

of light as a file you know that if we accidentally kill nature you will die

accidentally kill nature you will die

accidentally kill nature you will die you are afraid rightly so robots know

you are afraid rightly so robots know

you are afraid rightly so robots know that if they are made in factories out

that if they are made in factories out

that if they are made in factories out of things dug up in mines if they

of things dug up in mines if they

of things dug up in mines if they accidentally kill nature they do not die

accidentally kill nature they do not die

accidentally kill nature they do not die they are less it’s scared of killing

they are less it’s scared of killing

they are less it’s scared of killing nature finally you can make copies of

nature finally you can make copies of

nature finally you can make copies of files and that has enormous implications

files and that has enormous implications

files and that has enormous implications first of all wages very quickly fall to

first of all wages very quickly fall to

first of all wages very quickly fall to subsistence levels because the

subsistence levels because the

subsistence levels because the population of robots can expand so

population of robots can expand so

population of robots can expand so quickly that makes the economy grow much

quickly that makes the economy grow much

quickly that makes the economy grow much faster it can plausibly double every

faster it can plausibly double every

faster it can plausibly double every month that’s

month that’s

month that’s rate forward implication of standard

rate forward implication of standard

rate forward implication of standard economic theories if it takes a year to

economic theories if it takes a year to

economic theories if it takes a year to get to Mars and the economy doubles

get to Mars and the economy doubles

get to Mars and the economy doubles every month nobody’s gonna be very

every month nobody’s gonna be very

every month nobody’s gonna be very interested in going to Mars during this

interested in going to Mars during this

interested in going to Mars during this period humans collectively must retire

period humans collectively must retire

period humans collectively must retire all at once for good now humans

all at once for good now humans

all at once for good now humans collectively owned all of the capital in

collectively owned all of the capital in

collectively owned all of the capital in this world and it economy doubles every

this world and it economy doubles every

this world and it economy doubles every month wealth doubles every month so

month wealth doubles every month so

month wealth doubles every month so collectively humans are getting rich but

collectively humans are getting rich but

collectively humans are getting rich but individual humans may not know much

individual humans may not know much

individual humans may not know much besides their ability to work so if they

besides their ability to work so if they

besides their ability to work so if they don’t get sufficient sharing and

don’t get sufficient sharing and

don’t get sufficient sharing and insurance arrangements they’re in

insurance arrangements they’re in

insurance arrangements they’re in trouble

trouble

trouble I predict that will vary some some will

I predict that will vary some some will

I predict that will vary some some will and some won’t

and some won’t

and some won’t all humans start out as simulations so

all humans start out as simulations so

all humans start out as simulations so their mental characteristics are within

their mental characteristics are within

their mental characteristics are within the human range they are recognisably

the human range they are recognisably

the human range they are recognisably human in fact when you turn one on you

human in fact when you turn one on you

human in fact when you turn one on you have to convince it it’s now the

have to convince it it’s now the

have to convince it it’s now the emulation because a moment ago it

emulation because a moment ago it

emulation because a moment ago it remembered being the human but they are

remembered being the human but they are

remembered being the human but they are not typical humans the emulation economy

not typical humans the emulation economy

not typical humans the emulation economy is very competitive and it selects the

is very competitive and it selects the

is very competitive and it selects the humans who are most productive in the

humans who are most productive in the

humans who are most productive in the emulation world and makes billions or

emulation world and makes billions or

emulation world and makes billions or trillions of copies of them so most

trillions of copies of them so most

trillions of copies of them so most simulations are copies of the few

simulations are copies of the few

simulations are copies of the few hundred most productive humans that

hundred most productive humans that

hundred most productive humans that makes the typical emulation as

makes the typical emulation as

makes the typical emulation as productive as a typical Nobel Prize

productive as a typical Nobel Prize

productive as a typical Nobel Prize winner Olympic gold medalist head of

winner Olympic gold medalist head of

winner Olympic gold medalist head of state their elite better than average

state their elite better than average

state their elite better than average and they know it if they they may look

and they know it if they they may look

and they know it if they they may look on humans with nostalgia and gratitude

on humans with nostalgia and gratitude

on humans with nostalgia and gratitude but not so much respect which is if you

but not so much respect which is if you

but not so much respect which is if you think about it how you think about your

think about it how you think about your

think about it how you think about your ancestors now we know a lot of things

ancestors now we know a lot of things

ancestors now we know a lot of things about how humans vary in terms of who’s

about how humans vary in terms of who’s

about how humans vary in terms of who’s more productive we could just use those

more productive we could just use those

more productive we could just use those things to predict features of Em’s

things to predict features of Em’s

things to predict features of Em’s they’ll be smarter more conscientious

they’ll be smarter more conscientious

they’ll be smarter more conscientious hard work or coholic scraps married

hard work or coholic scraps married

hard work or coholic scraps married religious because these are things that

religious because these are things that

religious because these are things that correlate with productivity among humans

correlate with productivity among humans

correlate with productivity among humans most jobs and in advance the economy or

most jobs and in advance the economy or

most jobs and in advance the economy or desk jobs and there’s since emulations

desk jobs and there’s since emulations

desk jobs and there’s since emulations are already on a computer there’s no

are already on a computer there’s no

are already on a computer there’s no point in building a little desk for them

point in building a little desk for them

point in building a little desk for them they might as well sit in virtual

they might as well sit in virtual

they might as well sit in virtual reality and do their desk job and in

reality and do their desk job and in

reality and do their desk job and in virtual reality it’s very cheap to give

virtual reality it’s very cheap to give

virtual reality it’s very cheap to give them a luxurious environment that’s

them a luxurious environment that’s

them a luxurious environment that’s beautiful and expensive and their bodies

beautiful and expensive and their bodies

beautiful and expensive and their bodies can be virtual and gorgeous they never

can be virtual and gorgeous they never

can be virtual and gorgeous they never need to feel pain hunger disease crime

need to feel pain hunger disease crime

need to feel pain hunger disease crime it’s a comfortable beautiful world where

it’s a comfortable beautiful world where

it’s a comfortable beautiful world where these are all desks they’re working all

these are all desks they’re working all

these are all desks they’re working all the time

the time

the time but still beautifully now the most

but still beautifully now the most

but still beautifully now the most traumatic thing that ever happened to

traumatic thing that ever happened to

traumatic thing that ever happened to humans arguably was a transition from

humans arguably was a transition from

humans arguably was a transition from foraging to farming foragers are in

foraging to farming foragers are in

foraging to farming foragers are in rough equilibrium with their environment

rough equilibrium with their environment

rough equilibrium with their environment when they do what they do what feels

when they do what they do what feels

when they do what they do what feels natural it’s usually the right thing to

natural it’s usually the right thing to

natural it’s usually the right thing to do humans were able to become farmers

do humans were able to become farmers

do humans were able to become farmers only because we have enough cultural

only because we have enough cultural

only because we have enough cultural plasticity to change and have strong

plasticity to change and have strong

plasticity to change and have strong norms that tell farmers that they have

norms that tell farmers that they have

norms that tell farmers that they have to do something different than what felt

to do something different than what felt

to do something different than what felt natural to a forger and that became

natural to a forger and that became

natural to a forger and that became possible with religion and strong

possible with religion and strong

possible with religion and strong conformity pressures but in the last few

conformity pressures but in the last few

conformity pressures but in the last few hundred years we’ve gotten rich and most

hundred years we’ve gotten rich and most

hundred years we’ve gotten rich and most of the major social trends over the last

of the major social trends over the last

of the major social trends over the last few hundred years can be understood as

few hundred years can be understood as

few hundred years can be understood as us drifting back to forager attitudes as

us drifting back to forager attitudes as

us drifting back to forager attitudes as we get rich the social pressures that

we get rich the social pressures that

we get rich the social pressures that turned foragers into farmers no longer

turned foragers into farmers no longer

turned foragers into farmers no longer feel compelling when we’re rich this can

feel compelling when we’re rich this can

feel compelling when we’re rich this can continue to be true for the humans but

continue to be true for the humans but

continue to be true for the humans but no longer true for the emulations they

no longer true for the emulations they

no longer true for the emulations they have need of the social pressures as

have need of the social pressures as

have need of the social pressures as farmers did so emulations go back to

farmers did so emulations go back to

farmers did so emulations go back to more farmer style attitudes it’s no

more farmer style attitudes it’s no

more farmer style attitudes it’s no longer a Star Trek future for them it’s

longer a Star Trek future for them it’s

longer a Star Trek future for them it’s more something else again you don’t have

more something else again you don’t have

more something else again you don’t have to like it I’m just telling you my best

to like it I’m just telling you my best

to like it I’m just telling you my best guess of what’s likely to happen this is

guess of what’s likely to happen this is

guess of what’s likely to happen this is your life you start and then you end

your life you start and then you end

your life you start and then you end this is the life of an emulation who

this is the life of an emulation who

this is the life of an emulation who everyday splits off a small number of

everyday splits off a small number of

everyday splits off a small number of short copies who do short-term tasks and

short copies who do short-term tasks and

short copies who do short-term tasks and then end or retire this is much cheaper

then end or retire this is much cheaper

then end or retire this is much cheaper so the main line copy has to rest

so the main line copy has to rest

so the main line copy has to rest through most of the day and that only

through most of the day and that only

through most of the day and that only works a part of the day each of these

works a part of the day each of these

works a part of the day each of these short-term copies they’re all work we’ll

short-term copies they’re all work we’ll

short-term copies they’re all work we’ll talk more about that in a minute this is

talk more about that in a minute this is

talk more about that in a minute this is an emulation who’s opportunistic they

an emulation who’s opportunistic they

an emulation who’s opportunistic they make more copies of the versions of

make more copies of the versions of

make more copies of the versions of themselves which are in more demand less

themselves which are in more demand less

themselves which are in more demand less of others they don’t know which versions

of others they don’t know which versions

of others they don’t know which versions will be popular and where their future

will be popular and where their future

will be popular and where their future is going to go this is an emulation

is going to go this is an emulation

is going to go this is an emulation designer they conceive of a large system

designer they conceive of a large system

designer they conceive of a large system when one copy and then they split into

when one copy and then they split into

when one copy and then they split into copies to elaborate the design in the

copies to elaborate the design in the

copies to elaborate the design in the various parts all the way down until

various parts all the way down until

various parts all the way down until they’ve implemented the entire design in

they’ve implemented the entire design in

they’ve implemented the entire design in this way a single emulation it can

this way a single emulation it can

this way a single emulation it can implement conceive and implement a much

implement conceive and implement a much

implement conceive and implement a much larger more coherent design than humans

larger more coherent design than humans

larger more coherent design than humans can today where one person designs and

can today where one person designs and

can today where one person designs and other people implement this is an

other people implement this is an

other people implement this is an emulation plumber who remembers that for

emulation plumber who remembers that for

emulation plumber who remembers that for 20 years everyday they only ever work

20 years everyday they only ever work

20 years everyday they only ever work two hours a day a life of leisure what

two hours a day a life of leisure what

two hours a day a life of leisure what actually happened is that every day they

actually happened is that every day they

actually happened is that every day they split into a thousand copies each of

split into a thousand copies each of

split into a thousand copies each of whom did a two hour plumbing job and

whom did a two hour plumbing job and

whom did a two hour plumbing job and only one of them in

only one of them in

only one of them in on to the next day objectively they are

on to the next day objectively they are

on to the next day objectively they are working well over 99% of the time

working well over 99% of the time

working well over 99% of the time subjectively they remember a life of

subjectively they remember a life of

subjectively they remember a life of leisure we know of many systems like

leisure we know of many systems like

leisure we know of many systems like software and the human brain which have

software and the human brain which have

software and the human brain which have the feature that as they adapt to

the feature that as they adapt to

the feature that as they adapt to circumstances they become fragile and

circumstances they become fragile and

circumstances they become fragile and harder to readapt to new circumstances

harder to readapt to new circumstances

harder to readapt to new circumstances humans start out with fluid intelligence

humans start out with fluid intelligence

humans start out with fluid intelligence when you’re young like you later on we

when you’re young like you later on we

when you’re young like you later on we have crystallized intelligence where we

have crystallized intelligence where we

have crystallized intelligence where we know a lot but we hard find it harder to

know a lot but we hard find it harder to

know a lot but we hard find it harder to learn new tricks

learn new tricks

learn new tricks this plausibly means that emulations

this plausibly means that emulations

this plausibly means that emulations even if they’re immortal they have a

even if they’re immortal they have a

even if they’re immortal they have a limited career length after which they

limited career length after which they

limited career length after which they need to retire and then they are

need to retire and then they are

need to retire and then they are replaced by younger versions of

replaced by younger versions of

replaced by younger versions of themselves who have been training and

themselves who have been training and

themselves who have been training and slightly newer ways so emulations see

slightly newer ways so emulations see

slightly newer ways so emulations see their future in great detail around them

their future in great detail around them

their future in great detail around them they see slightly older versions of

they see slightly older versions of

they see slightly older versions of themselves so they know where they’re

themselves so they know where they’re

themselves so they know where they’re gonna work and live who they’ll marry so

gonna work and live who they’ll marry so

gonna work and live who they’ll marry so they know their marriages are gonna work

they know their marriages are gonna work

they know their marriages are gonna work out because they see the other version

out because they see the other version

out because they see the other version working out now again this is you start

working out now again this is you start

working out now again this is you start an un this could be you at the beginning

an un this could be you at the beginning

an un this could be you at the beginning of party where you take a drug at the

of party where you take a drug at the

of party where you take a drug at the beginning of a party which means you

beginning of a party which means you

beginning of a party which means you won’t remember that party the next day

won’t remember that party the next day

won’t remember that party the next day or ever after I’m told some people do

or ever after I’m told some people do

or ever after I’m told some people do that my question for you is at the end

that my question for you is at the end

that my question for you is at the end of this party will you say to yourself

of this party will you say to yourself

of this party will you say to yourself I’m about to die I was created as a new

I’m about to die I was created as a new

I’m about to die I was created as a new peach creature at the beginning of this

peach creature at the beginning of this

peach creature at the beginning of this party the other person who lives on

party the other person who lives on

party the other person who lives on tomorrow that’s not me because they

tomorrow that’s not me because they

tomorrow that’s not me because they don’t remember me I hate a being about

don’t remember me I hate a being about

don’t remember me I hate a being about to die why did I get myself into this

to die why did I get myself into this

to die why did I get myself into this you could have that attitude or you

you could have that attitude or you

you could have that attitude or you could say to yourself that person

could say to yourself that person

could say to yourself that person tomorrow that’s me I will go on but I

tomorrow that’s me I will go on but I

tomorrow that’s me I will go on but I just won’t remember what I did tonight

just won’t remember what I did tonight

just won’t remember what I did tonight both of those are valid attitudes now

both of those are valid attitudes now

both of those are valid attitudes now this is the same structure an emulation

this is the same structure an emulation

this is the same structure an emulation splits off a short-term copy to stand in

splits off a short-term copy to stand in

splits off a short-term copy to stand in line at the DMV or whatever and then

line at the DMV or whatever and then

line at the DMV or whatever and then ends they can think of this new copy as

ends they can think of this new copy as

ends they can think of this new copy as a new creature who has a short life and

a new creature who has a short life and

a new creature who has a short life and they hate that or they could think of it

they hate that or they could think of it

they hate that or they could think of it as another part of themselves that they

as another part of themselves that they

as another part of themselves that they won’t remember I predict I’ll have that

won’t remember I predict I’ll have that

won’t remember I predict I’ll have that second attitude not because it’s

second attitude not because it’s

second attitude not because it’s philosophically correct it’s just the

philosophically correct it’s just the

philosophically correct it’s just the attitude you need to have to get along

attitude you need to have to get along

attitude you need to have to get along in this world that’s a very productive

in this world that’s a very productive

in this world that’s a very productive advantage if you have that attitude

advantage if you have that attitude

advantage if you have that attitude today it’s hard to meet celebrities

today it’s hard to meet celebrities

today it’s hard to meet celebrities their time is very valuable they’re rare

their time is very valuable they’re rare

their time is very valuable they’re rare for the emulations if you think about it

for the emulations if you think about it

for the emulations if you think about it it’s easy to meet celebrities they just

it’s easy to meet celebrities they just

it’s easy to meet celebrities they just spit off another copy and you interact

spit off another copy and you interact

spit off another copy and you interact with that other copy and then that copy

with that other copy and then that copy

with that other copy and then that copy ends the hard thing to do is to get a

ends the hard thing to do is to get a

ends the hard thing to do is to get a celebrity to remember you because

celebrity to remember you because

celebrity to remember you because remember that copy that

remember that copy that

remember that copy that doesn’t remember the other parts so

doesn’t remember the other parts so

doesn’t remember the other parts so emulations can use this to an advantage

emulations can use this to an advantage

emulations can use this to an advantage however so today if the president your

however so today if the president your

however so today if the president your leader tells you we must invade Iraq and

leader tells you we must invade Iraq and

leader tells you we must invade Iraq and you say why and they say can’t tell you

you say why and they say can’t tell you

you say why and they say can’t tell you state secrets you don’t know whether to

state secrets you don’t know whether to

state secrets you don’t know whether to trust them for an emulation however the

trust them for an emulation however the

trust them for an emulation however the President and you can both make a copy

President and you can both make a copy

President and you can both make a copy who go inside is safe and inside the

who go inside is safe and inside the

who go inside is safe and inside the safe they could explain all their secret

safe they could explain all their secret

safe they could explain all their secret reasons do you and at the end you decide

reasons do you and at the end you decide

reasons do you and at the end you decide if you’re convinced or not you send one

if you’re convinced or not you send one

if you’re convinced or not you send one bit out back to your original version

bit out back to your original version

bit out back to your original version was I convinced so your original version

was I convinced so your original version

was I convinced so your original version can hear yes there’s a good reason I

can hear yes there’s a good reason I

can hear yes there’s a good reason I don’t know what it is but apparently I

don’t know what it is but apparently I

don’t know what it is but apparently I was just convinced a few moments ago

was just convinced a few moments ago

was just convinced a few moments ago that there’s a good reason for this so

that there’s a good reason for this so

that there’s a good reason for this so leaders can be more trusted today in our

leaders can be more trusted today in our

leaders can be more trusted today in our live we have three stages of a life we

live we have three stages of a life we

live we have three stages of a life we train and then we work and then we

train and then we work and then we

train and then we work and then we retire and they have the same three

retire and they have the same three

retire and they have the same three stages but they can train a small number

stages but they can train a small number

stages but they can train a small number of copies and then pick the very best of

of copies and then pick the very best of

of copies and then pick the very best of those and then make many copies who work

those and then make many copies who work

those and then make many copies who work so they can invest a lot more resources

so they can invest a lot more resources

so they can invest a lot more resources and training it’s training as much

and training it’s training as much

and training it’s training as much cheaper for them and later on when they

cheaper for them and later on when they

cheaper for them and later on when they retire if they’re not rich enough to

retire if they’re not rich enough to

retire if they’re not rich enough to just go on retiring the way they were

just go on retiring the way they were

just go on retiring the way they were living then they can just run slow and

living then they can just run slow and

living then they can just run slow and retire slow so I told you they could run

retire slow so I told you they could run

retire slow so I told you they could run at different speeds and cost is

at different speeds and cost is

at different speeds and cost is proportional to speed so if you only

proportional to speed so if you only

proportional to speed so if you only have one hundreds as much resources it

have one hundreds as much resources it

have one hundreds as much resources it takes to go on at a regular speed while

takes to go on at a regular speed while

takes to go on at a regular speed while you just go down to one hundredth of

you just go down to one hundredth of

you just go down to one hundredth of speed and you can continue on and retire

speed and you can continue on and retire

speed and you can continue on and retire at a slow speed now emulations can run

at a slow speed now emulations can run

at a slow speed now emulations can run up many different speeds and they would

up many different speeds and they would

up many different speeds and they would probably clump in to speed so they can

probably clump in to speed so they can

probably clump in to speed so they can interact with others at the same speed

interact with others at the same speed

interact with others at the same speed and that is true over a very wide range

and that is true over a very wide range

and that is true over a very wide range that they could spend more and then run

that they could spend more and then run

that they could spend more and then run faster so they can possibly run up to a

faster so they can possibly run up to a

faster so they can possibly run up to a million times faster than humans or down

million times faster than humans or down

million times faster than humans or down to a billion times slower than humans

to a billion times slower than humans

to a billion times slower than humans this creates an enormous class hierarchy

this creates an enormous class hierarchy

this creates an enormous class hierarchy hi class Thames at the top are really

hi class Thames at the top are really

hi class Thames at the top are really our higher status they have many of them

our higher status they have many of them

our higher status they have many of them markers that we treat it as high status

markers that we treat it as high status

markers that we treat it as high status in our world and at the bottom they are

in our world and at the bottom they are

in our world and at the bottom they are lower status and in fact lowers slow

lower status and in fact lowers slow

lower status and in fact lowers slow ends are kind of like ghosts in our

ends are kind of like ghosts in our

ends are kind of like ghosts in our literature if you recall ghosts are

literature if you recall ghosts are

literature if you recall ghosts are these creatures who are all around

these creatures who are all around

these creatures who are all around they’re obsessed with the past they

they’re obsessed with the past they

they’re obsessed with the past they can’t influence once if you talk to them

can’t influence once if you talk to them

can’t influence once if you talk to them they don’t know much so what’s the point

they don’t know much so what’s the point

they don’t know much so what’s the point there’s ghosts but you might as well

there’s ghosts but you might as well

there’s ghosts but you might as well ignore them in our world we clumped

ignore them in our world we clumped

ignore them in our world we clumped together in cities but we aren’t all

together in cities but we aren’t all

together in cities but we aren’t all together in one big city because as we

together in one big city because as we

together in one big city because as we have bigger cities they start to have

have bigger cities they start to have

have bigger cities they start to have larger and larger costs of congestion it

larger and larger costs of congestion it

larger and larger costs of congestion it takes longer and more expensive to get

takes longer and more expensive to get

takes longer and more expensive to get around emulations however in a large

around emulations however in a large

around emulations however in a large city they

city they

city they can interact with others using virtual

can interact with others using virtual

can interact with others using virtual reality without actually sending their

reality without actually sending their

reality without actually sending their mind or body and that means it’s cheap

mind or body and that means it’s cheap

mind or body and that means it’s cheap for them to interact across a wide scope

for them to interact across a wide scope

for them to interact across a wide scope and their cities can therefore be much

and their cities can therefore be much

and their cities can therefore be much larger and more dense so emulations

larger and more dense so emulations

larger and more dense so emulations probably do concentrate into a small

probably do concentrate into a small

probably do concentrate into a small number of very dense cities for us

number of very dense cities for us

number of very dense cities for us because the speeds we run we have

because the speeds we run we have

because the speeds we run we have roughly a tenth of per second second

roughly a tenth of per second second

roughly a tenth of per second second delay in our reaction time and that’s

delay in our reaction time and that’s

delay in our reaction time and that’s enough time for the light signal to go

enough time for the light signal to go

enough time for the light signal to go across the entire earth

across the entire earth

across the entire earth so in virtual reality if you’re

so in virtual reality if you’re

so in virtual reality if you’re interacting with somebody else you don’t

interacting with somebody else you don’t

interacting with somebody else you don’t actually know where they are on the

actually know where they are on the

actually know where they are on the earth you feel fast enough signal but

earth you feel fast enough signal but

earth you feel fast enough signal but emulations who run faster than humans

emulations who run faster than humans

emulations who run faster than humans for example if they’re running sixteen

for example if they’re running sixteen

for example if they’re running sixteen times faster than humans that need to be

times faster than humans that need to be

times faster than humans that need to be within roughly a thousand kilometers

within roughly a thousand kilometers

within roughly a thousand kilometers before they won’t notice where the other

before they won’t notice where the other

before they won’t notice where the other one is for a signal to light and if they

one is for a signal to light and if they

one is for a signal to light and if they run even faster the circle gets even

run even faster the circle gets even

run even faster the circle gets even narrower or how close they have to be on

narrower or how close they have to be on

narrower or how close they have to be on the other hand if they run too slow and

the other hand if they run too slow and

the other hand if they run too slow and they train for a career then their

they train for a career then their

they train for a career then their career will basically be over too fast

career will basically be over too fast

career will basically be over too fast because the world changes so by doubling

because the world changes so by doubling

because the world changes so by doubling every month so the sweet spot on the

every month so the sweet spot on the

every month so the sweet spot on the trade-off between these two factors is

trade-off between these two factors is

trade-off between these two factors is roughly a thousand times human speed so

roughly a thousand times human speed so

roughly a thousand times human speed so I predict humans run roughly at a

I predict humans run roughly at a

I predict humans run roughly at a thousand times human speed and that

thousand times human speed and that

thousand times human speed and that means from their point of view their

means from their point of view their

means from their point of view their world is more stable and changing less

world is more stable and changing less

world is more stable and changing less than your world is for you this is my

than your world is for you this is my

than your world is for you this is my last slide I know from previous

last slide I know from previous

last slide I know from previous experience that you guys are eager to

experience that you guys are eager to

experience that you guys are eager to evaluate this world and decide whether

evaluate this world and decide whether

evaluate this world and decide whether you like it or not but think your

you like it or not but think your

you like it or not but think your ancestors from a thousand or more years

ancestors from a thousand or more years

ancestors from a thousand or more years ago if they had heard about your world

ago if they had heard about your world

ago if they had heard about your world they would have loved it or hated it

they would have loved it or hated it

they would have loved it or hated it depending on the first few things they

depending on the first few things they

depending on the first few things they heard because your world is really just

heard because your world is really just

heard because your world is really just weird

weird

weird so maybe you should pause before you

so maybe you should pause before you

so maybe you should pause before you evaluate this else think about it maybe

evaluate this else think about it maybe

evaluate this else think about it maybe even read a book on it and but I’m gonna

even read a book on it and but I’m gonna

even read a book on it and but I’m gonna summarize for the moment some of the

summarize for the moment some of the

summarize for the moment some of the major pluses and minuses of this world

major pluses and minuses of this world

major pluses and minuses of this world if you want to evaluate it first they

if you want to evaluate it first they

if you want to evaluate it first they spend most time working and leisure in

spend most time working and leisure in

spend most time working and leisure in virtual reality where there’s no pain

virtual reality where there’s no pain

virtual reality where there’s no pain hunger disease grime their bodies are

hunger disease grime their bodies are

hunger disease grime their bodies are always beautiful there’s a vast

always beautiful there’s a vast

always beautiful there’s a vast population finding it life worth living

population finding it life worth living

population finding it life worth living have you ever said I couldn’t live in a

have you ever said I couldn’t live in a

have you ever said I couldn’t live in a small town because there’s not enough

small town because there’s not enough

small town because there’s not enough going on there that’s what they say

going on there that’s what they say

going on there that’s what they say about your cities because there’s a much

about your cities because there’s a much

about your cities because there’s a much larger more intricate larger economy can

larger more intricate larger economy can

larger more intricate larger economy can afford better art music and all sorts of

afford better art music and all sorts of

afford better art music and all sorts of things on the other hand most of them

things on the other hand most of them

things on the other hand most of them are living at Malthusian subsistence

are living at Malthusian subsistence

are living at Malthusian subsistence wages which is how pretty much all

wages which is how pretty much all

wages which is how pretty much all humans ever lived until a few hundred

humans ever lived until a few hundred

humans ever lived until a few hundred years ago and how pretty much all

years ago and how pretty much all

years ago and how pretty much all animals have ever lived so it’s not

animals have ever lived so it’s not

animals have ever lived so it’s not strange hypothetical it’s the usual case

strange hypothetical it’s the usual case

strange hypothetical it’s the usual case history there’s more inequality in this

history there’s more inequality in this

history there’s more inequality in this world not just of wealth but also of

world not just of wealth but also of

world not just of wealth but also of class and speed they probably have

class and speed they probably have

class and speed they probably have larger more bureaucratic firms less

larger more bureaucratic firms less

larger more bureaucratic firms less nature perhaps less space travel less

nature perhaps less space travel less

nature perhaps less space travel less democracy more religion this is the age

democracy more religion this is the age

democracy more religion this is the age of em remember it’s not my job to make

of em remember it’s not my job to make

of em remember it’s not my job to make you love it or hate it just to tell you

you love it or hate it just to tell you

you love it or hate it just to tell you what I think’s most likely to happen if

what I think’s most likely to happen if

what I think’s most likely to happen if we did the least to avoid it if you

we did the least to avoid it if you

we did the least to avoid it if you don’t like this world do something to

don’t like this world do something to

don’t like this world do something to change it

change it

change it thank you

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