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Using video games to foster community and social interaction | Stuart Duncan | TEDxYorkU


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[Music] thank you my name is Stuart Duncan but

thank you my name is Stuart Duncan but

thank you my name is Stuart Duncan but I’m actually probably better known

I’m actually probably better known

I’m actually probably better known online as autism father that’s me on the

online as autism father that’s me on the

online as autism father that’s me on the Internet

Internet

Internet I know the resemblance is uncanny but

I know the resemblance is uncanny but

I know the resemblance is uncanny but I’m going to talk a little bit today

I’m going to talk a little bit today

I’m going to talk a little bit today about Minecraft

about Minecraft

about Minecraft that’s my minecraft character but if you

that’s my minecraft character but if you

that’s my minecraft character but if you don’t know the game very well don’t

don’t know the game very well don’t

don’t know the game very well don’t worry too much about it it’s just the

worry too much about it it’s just the

worry too much about it it’s just the medium that I used at the time to fill a

medium that I used at the time to fill a

medium that I used at the time to fill a need and what I want to talk about

need and what I want to talk about

need and what I want to talk about applies to pretty much every situation

applies to pretty much every situation

applies to pretty much every situation so about four years ago I started a

so about four years ago I started a

so about four years ago I started a minecraft server for children with

minecraft server for children with

minecraft server for children with autism and their families and I called

autism and their families and I called

autism and their families and I called it at craft and since then we’ve been in

it at craft and since then we’ve been in

it at craft and since then we’ve been in the news all around the world on

the news all around the world on

the news all around the world on television and radio and magazines

television and radio and magazines

television and radio and magazines BuzzFeed called us one of the best

BuzzFeed called us one of the best

BuzzFeed called us one of the best places on the internet we’re also the

places on the internet we’re also the

places on the internet we’re also the subject of an award-winning research

subject of an award-winning research

subject of an award-winning research paper called appropriating minecraft as

paper called appropriating minecraft as

paper called appropriating minecraft as an assistive technology for youth with

an assistive technology for youth with

an assistive technology for youth with autism it’s a bit of a mouthful but you

autism it’s a bit of a mouthful but you

autism it’s a bit of a mouthful but you get the idea I think so I want to talk a

get the idea I think so I want to talk a

get the idea I think so I want to talk a little bit about that research paper and

little bit about that research paper and

little bit about that research paper and what it’s about but first I have to give

what it’s about but first I have to give

what it’s about but first I have to give you a little bit of history on how the

you a little bit of history on how the

you a little bit of history on how the server came to be back in 2013 everybody

server came to be back in 2013 everybody

server came to be back in 2013 everybody was playing Minecraft kids and adults

was playing Minecraft kids and adults

was playing Minecraft kids and adults alike with and without autism of course

alike with and without autism of course

alike with and without autism of course but it was the big thing but I saw

but it was the big thing but I saw

but it was the big thing but I saw parents on social media reaching out to

parents on social media reaching out to

parents on social media reaching out to other parents asking if their autistic

other parents asking if their autistic

other parents asking if their autistic children could play together and the

children could play together and the

children could play together and the reason is that when they tried to play

reason is that when they tried to play

reason is that when they tried to play on public servers they kept running into

on public servers they kept running into

on public servers they kept running into bullies and trolls when you have autism

bullies and trolls when you have autism

bullies and trolls when you have autism you behave a little differently

you behave a little differently

you behave a little differently sometimes sometimes a lot differently

sometimes sometimes a lot differently

sometimes sometimes a lot differently and we all know that a little bit of

and we all know that a little bit of

and we all know that a little bit of difference is all you really need for a

difference is all you really need for a

difference is all you really need for a bully to make you their next target so

bully to make you their next target so

bully to make you their next target so these terrible terrible people online

these terrible terrible people online

these terrible terrible people online they would destroy everything that they

they would destroy everything that they

they would destroy everything that they tried to make they would steal all their

tried to make they would steal all their

tried to make they would steal all their stuff and they would kill them over and

stuff and they would kill them over and

stuff and they would kill them over and over again making the game virtually

over again making the game virtually

over again making the game virtually unplayable but the worst part the part

unplayable but the worst part the part

unplayable but the worst part the part that really hurt the most was what these

that really hurt the most was what these

that really hurt the most was what these bullies would say to these kids they’d

bullies would say to these kids they’d

bullies would say to these kids they’d call them rejects and defects and

call them rejects and defects and

call them rejects and defects and retards and they would tell these kids

retards and they would tell these kids

retards and they would tell these kids some as young as 6 years old that

some as young as 6 years old that

some as young as 6 years old that society doesn’t want them and their own

society doesn’t want them and their own

society doesn’t want them and their own parents never wanted a broken child so

parents never wanted a broken child so

parents never wanted a broken child so they should just kill themselves

they should just kill themselves

they should just kill themselves and of course these kids you’d

and of course these kids you’d

and of course these kids you’d understand they would sign off from

understand they would sign off from

understand they would sign off from these servers angry and hurt they would

these servers angry and hurt they would

these servers angry and hurt they would break their keyboards they quite

break their keyboards they quite

break their keyboards they quite literally hate themselves and their

literally hate themselves and their

literally hate themselves and their parents felt powerless to do anything so

parents felt powerless to do anything so

parents felt powerless to do anything so I decided I had to try and help I have

I decided I had to try and help I have

I decided I had to try and help I have autism

autism

autism my oldest son has autism and both my

my oldest son has autism and both my

my oldest son has autism and both my kids and I love Minecraft so I have to

kids and I love Minecraft so I have to

kids and I love Minecraft so I have to do something so I got myself a minecraft

do something so I got myself a minecraft

do something so I got myself a minecraft server and I spent some time built a

server and I spent some time built a

server and I spent some time built a little village with some roads and a big

little village with some roads and a big

little village with some roads and a big welcome sign and this guy and a lodge up

welcome sign and this guy and a lodge up

welcome sign and this guy and a lodge up on a mountaintop tried to make it

on a mountaintop tried to make it

on a mountaintop tried to make it inviting thought people would like it

inviting thought people would like it

inviting thought people would like it the idea was pretty simple I had a

the idea was pretty simple I had a

the idea was pretty simple I had a whitelist so the only people that I

whitelist so the only people that I

whitelist so the only people that I approved could join and I would just

approved could join and I would just

approved could join and I would just monitor the server as much as I could

monitor the server as much as I could

monitor the server as much as I could just to make sure that nothing went

just to make sure that nothing went

just to make sure that nothing went wrong now was it that was the whole

wrong now was it that was the whole

wrong now was it that was the whole promise just to keep the kids safe so

promise just to keep the kids safe so

promise just to keep the kids safe so that they could play when it was done I

that they could play when it was done I

that they could play when it was done I went to Facebook and posted pretty

went to Facebook and posted pretty

went to Facebook and posted pretty simple message just on my friends list

simple message just on my friends list

simple message just on my friends list not publicly I just wanted to see if

not publicly I just wanted to see if

not publicly I just wanted to see if there was actually any interest in this

there was actually any interest in this

there was actually any interest in this and if it really could help turns out

and if it really could help turns out

and if it really could help turns out that I greatly underestimated just how

that I greatly underestimated just how

that I greatly underestimated just how much this was needed because within 48

much this was needed because within 48

much this was needed because within 48 hours I got 750 emails I don’t have that

hours I got 750 emails I don’t have that

hours I got 750 emails I don’t have that many Facebook friends within 8 days I

many Facebook friends within 8 days I

many Facebook friends within 8 days I had to upgrade the hosting package 8

had to upgrade the hosting package 8

had to upgrade the hosting package 8 times from the bottom package the most

times from the bottom package the most

times from the bottom package the most expensive package they had and now

expensive package they had and now

expensive package they had and now almost four years later I have eight

almost four years later I have eight

almost four years later I have eight thousand names on the whitelist from all

thousand names on the whitelist from all

thousand names on the whitelist from all around the world it’s pretty crazy but

around the world it’s pretty crazy but

around the world it’s pretty crazy but the reason I’m up here today to talk to

the reason I’m up here today to talk to

the reason I’m up here today to talk to you isn’t just because I gave kids a

you isn’t just because I gave kids a

you isn’t just because I gave kids a safe place to play it’s what happened

safe place to play it’s what happened

safe place to play it’s what happened while they played I started hearing from

while they played I started hearing from

while they played I started hearing from parents who said that their children

parents who said that their children

parents who said that their children were learning how to read and write from

were learning how to read and write from

were learning how to read and write from playing on the server at first they

playing on the server at first they

playing on the server at first they spelled things the way they sound like

spelled things the way they sound like

spelled things the way they sound like most kids do but because they were part

most kids do but because they were part

most kids do but because they were part of a community they saw other people

of a community they saw other people

of a community they saw other people spelling the same words properly and

spelling the same words properly and

spelling the same words properly and they just picked it up I started hearing

they just picked it up I started hearing

they just picked it up I started hearing from parents who said that their

from parents who said that their

from parents who said that their nonverbal children were starting to

nonverbal children were starting to

nonverbal children were starting to speak they only talked about Minecraft

speak they only talked about Minecraft

speak they only talked about Minecraft but they were talking some kids were

but they were talking some kids were

but they were talking some kids were making friends at school for the first

making friends at school for the first

making friends at school for the first time ever some were starting to share

time ever some were starting to share

time ever some were starting to share and even give things to other people was

and even give things to other people was

and even give things to other people was amazing and that every single parent

amazing and that every single parent

amazing and that every single parent came to me instead it was because of our

came to me instead it was because of our

came to me instead it was because of our craft is because what are you doing

craft is because what are you doing

craft is because what are you doing but why though how could all of this be

but why though how could all of this be

but why though how could all of this be just from a video game server

just from a video game server

just from a video game server well that goes back to that research

well that goes back to that research

well that goes back to that research paper that I was talking about in it she

paper that I was talking about in it she

paper that I was talking about in it she covers some of the guidelines that I use

covers some of the guidelines that I use

covers some of the guidelines that I use when I created the server guidelines

when I created the server guidelines

when I created the server guidelines that I think help encourage people to be

that I think help encourage people to be

that I think help encourage people to be their very best I hope for example

their very best I hope for example

their very best I hope for example communication that can be tough for kids

communication that can be tough for kids

communication that can be tough for kids with autism get tough for grownups

with autism get tough for grownups

with autism get tough for grownups without autism but I think that kids

without autism but I think that kids

without autism but I think that kids should not be punished they should be

should not be punished they should be

should not be punished they should be talked to you nine times out of ten when

talked to you nine times out of ten when

talked to you nine times out of ten when the kids on the server act out it’s

the kids on the server act out it’s

the kids on the server act out it’s because of something else has happened

because of something else has happened

because of something else has happened in the day at school or at home maybe a

in the day at school or at home maybe a

in the day at school or at home maybe a pet died sometimes it’s just a simple

pet died sometimes it’s just a simple

pet died sometimes it’s just a simple miscommunication between two children

miscommunication between two children

miscommunication between two children they don’t tell the other person what

they don’t tell the other person what

they don’t tell the other person what they’re about to do and so we just offer

they’re about to do and so we just offer

they’re about to do and so we just offer to help we always tell the children on

to help we always tell the children on

to help we always tell the children on the server that we’re not mad and

the server that we’re not mad and

the server that we’re not mad and they’re not in trouble we only want to

they’re not in trouble we only want to

they’re not in trouble we only want to help and it shows that not only do we

help and it shows that not only do we

help and it shows that not only do we care but we respect them enough to

care but we respect them enough to

care but we respect them enough to listen to their point of view respect

listen to their point of view respect

listen to their point of view respect goes a long way plus it shows them that

goes a long way plus it shows them that

goes a long way plus it shows them that they have everything they need to be

they have everything they need to be

they have everything they need to be able to resolve these problems on their

able to resolve these problems on their

able to resolve these problems on their own in the future and maybe even avoid

own in the future and maybe even avoid

own in the future and maybe even avoid them because you know communication on

them because you know communication on

them because you know communication on most servers as video games our children

most servers as video games our children

most servers as video games our children are rewarded well players are rewarded

are rewarded well players are rewarded

are rewarded well players are rewarded for how well they do in a competition

for how well they do in a competition

for how well they do in a competition right the better you do the better

right the better you do the better

right the better you do the better reward you get that sort of thing can be

reward you get that sort of thing can be

reward you get that sort of thing can be automated the server does the work the

automated the server does the work the

automated the server does the work the code is there on our craft we don’t do

code is there on our craft we don’t do

code is there on our craft we don’t do that we have things like Player of the

that we have things like Player of the

that we have things like Player of the Week and CBA’s which is copying awesome

Week and CBA’s which is copying awesome

Week and CBA’s which is copying awesome we award players ranks on the servers

we award players ranks on the servers

we award players ranks on the servers based on the attributes that they

based on the attributes that they

based on the attributes that they exhibit such as the buddy ranked for

exhibit such as the buddy ranked for

exhibit such as the buddy ranked for people that are friendly towards others

people that are friendly towards others

people that are friendly towards others and junior helper for people that are

and junior helper for people that are

and junior helper for people that are helpful towards others we have senior

helpful towards others we have senior

helpful towards others we have senior helper for get parent for the adults but

helper for get parent for the adults but

helper for get parent for the adults but they’re exactly they’re obvious right

they’re exactly they’re obvious right

they’re exactly they’re obvious right like people know what to expect and how

like people know what to expect and how

like people know what to expect and how to earn these things because of how

to earn these things because of how

to earn these things because of how they’re named as soon as the somebody

they’re named as soon as the somebody

they’re named as soon as the somebody signs on to the server they know that

signs on to the server they know that

signs on to the server they know that they’re going to be rewarded for who

they’re going to be rewarded for who

they’re going to be rewarded for who they are not what they can do our top

they are not what they can do our top

they are not what they can do our top award the autism father sword which is

award the autism father sword which is

award the autism father sword which is named after me because I’m the founder

named after me because I’m the founder

named after me because I’m the founder is a very powerful sword that you can’t

is a very powerful sword that you can’t

is a very powerful sword that you can’t get in the game any other way than to

get in the game any other way than to

get in the game any other way than to show that you completely put the

show that you completely put the

show that you completely put the community above yourself and that

community above yourself and that

community above yourself and that compassion and kindness is at the core

compassion and kindness is at the core

compassion and kindness is at the core of who you are we’ve given away quite a

of who you are we’ve given away quite a

of who you are we’ve given away quite a few of those swords actually I figure if

few of those swords actually I figure if

few of those swords actually I figure if we’re going to watch the server to make

we’re going to watch the server to make

we’re going to watch the server to make sure nothing bad happens we should also

sure nothing bad happens we should also

sure nothing bad happens we should also watch for the good things that happen

watch for the good things that happen

watch for the good things that happen and reward

and reward

and reward for them we’re always trying to show all

for them we’re always trying to show all

for them we’re always trying to show all the players that everybody is considered

the players that everybody is considered

the players that everybody is considered to be equal even me but we know that we

to be equal even me but we know that we

to be equal even me but we know that we can’t treat people equally to do that

can’t treat people equally to do that

can’t treat people equally to do that some of the players get angry very

some of the players get angry very

some of the players get angry very easily some of them have additional

easily some of them have additional

easily some of them have additional struggles on top of autism such as OCD

struggles on top of autism such as OCD

struggles on top of autism such as OCD or Tourette’s so I have this knack of

or Tourette’s so I have this knack of

or Tourette’s so I have this knack of remembering all of the players I

remembering all of the players I

remembering all of the players I remember their first day and the

remember their first day and the

remember their first day and the conversations we’ve had things we talked

conversations we’ve had things we talked

conversations we’ve had things we talked about and that they’ve built and so when

about and that they’ve built and so when

about and that they’ve built and so when somebody comes to me with a problem I

somebody comes to me with a problem I

somebody comes to me with a problem I handled that situation differently than

handled that situation differently than

handled that situation differently than I would with any other player based on

I would with any other player based on

I would with any other player based on what I know about them for the other

what I know about them for the other

what I know about them for the other admins and helpers we document

admins and helpers we document

admins and helpers we document everything so that whether it’s good or

everything so that whether it’s good or

everything so that whether it’s good or bad or a concerning conversation it’s

bad or a concerning conversation it’s

bad or a concerning conversation it’s there so everybody is aware I want to

there so everybody is aware I want to

there so everybody is aware I want to give you one example this one player he

give you one example this one player he

give you one example this one player he was with us for a little while but at

was with us for a little while but at

was with us for a little while but at some point he started spamming dashes in

some point he started spamming dashes in

some point he started spamming dashes in the chat like a big long line of dashes

the chat like a big long line of dashes

the chat like a big long line of dashes all the way across the screen and a

all the way across the screen and a

all the way across the screen and a little while later he’d do it again and

little while later he’d do it again and

little while later he’d do it again and so the other players asked him not to do

so the other players asked him not to do

so the other players asked him not to do that he’d say ok and then he’d do it

that he’d say ok and then he’d do it

that he’d say ok and then he’d do it again so it started to frustrate the

again so it started to frustrate the

again so it started to frustrate the other players they asked me to mute him

other players they asked me to mute him

other players they asked me to mute him or to punish him for breaking the rules

or to punish him for breaking the rules

or to punish him for breaking the rules but I knew there had to be something

but I knew there had to be something

but I knew there had to be something more to it so I went to his aunt who’s

more to it so I went to his aunt who’s

more to it so I went to his aunt who’s the contact that I have for him and she

the contact that I have for him and she

the contact that I have for him and she explained that he had gone blind in one

explained that he had gone blind in one

explained that he had gone blind in one eye and was losing his vision in the

eye and was losing his vision in the

eye and was losing his vision in the other so what he was doing was splitting

other so what he was doing was splitting

other so what he was doing was splitting up the chat into easier to see blocks of

up the chat into easier to see blocks of

up the chat into easier to see blocks of text which is pretty smart so that very

text which is pretty smart so that very

text which is pretty smart so that very same night I talked to a friend of mine

same night I talked to a friend of mine

same night I talked to a friend of mine who writes code and we created a brand

who writes code and we created a brand

who writes code and we created a brand new plugin for the server that makes it

new plugin for the server that makes it

new plugin for the server that makes it so that any player on the server

so that any player on the server

so that any player on the server including him of course could just enter

including him of course could just enter

including him of course could just enter a command and instantly have every

a command and instantly have every

a command and instantly have every single line separated by dashes

single line separated by dashes

single line separated by dashes plus they can make it faster ixas or

plus they can make it faster ixas or

plus they can make it faster ixas or blank lines or anything they will they

blank lines or anything they will they

blank lines or anything they will they want whatever works best for them we

want whatever works best for them we

want whatever works best for them we even went a little bit extra and made it

even went a little bit extra and made it

even went a little bit extra and made it so that it highlights your name so that

so that it highlights your name so that

so that it highlights your name so that it’s easier to see if somebody mentions

it’s easier to see if somebody mentions

it’s easier to see if somebody mentions you it’s just one example of how doing a

you it’s just one example of how doing a

you it’s just one example of how doing a little bit extra small modification

little bit extra small modification

little bit extra small modification still helps everybody be on equal

still helps everybody be on equal

still helps everybody be on equal footing even though you did a little

footing even though you did a little

footing even though you did a little extra just for that one player the big

extra just for that one player the big

extra just for that one player the big one is to be not afraid the children on

one is to be not afraid the children on

one is to be not afraid the children on my server are not afraid they are free

my server are not afraid they are free

my server are not afraid they are free to just be themselves and it’s because

to just be themselves and it’s because

to just be themselves and it’s because we support and encourage and celebrate

we support and encourage and celebrate

we support and encourage and celebrate each other we all know what it feels

each other we all know what it feels

each other we all know what it feels like to be the outcast and to be hated

like to be the outcast and to be hated

like to be the outcast and to be hated simply for existing and so when we’re

simply for existing and so when we’re

simply for existing and so when we’re together on

together on

together on server we’re not afraid anymore for the

server we’re not afraid anymore for the

server we’re not afraid anymore for the first two years or so on the server I

first two years or so on the server I

first two years or so on the server I talked to two children per week on

talked to two children per week on

talked to two children per week on average that were suicidal but they came

average that were suicidal but they came

average that were suicidal but they came to me because I’m the one that made them

to me because I’m the one that made them

to me because I’m the one that made them feel safe they felt like I was the only

feel safe they felt like I was the only

feel safe they felt like I was the only person in the world they could talk to

person in the world they could talk to

person in the world they could talk to so I guess my message is whether you

so I guess my message is whether you

so I guess my message is whether you have a charity or some other

have a charity or some other

have a charity or some other organization or your teacher or a

organization or your teacher or a

organization or your teacher or a therapist or your parent who’s just

therapist or your parent who’s just

therapist or your parent who’s just doing your very best or you’re an

doing your very best or you’re an

doing your very best or you’re an autistic like I am no matter who you are

autistic like I am no matter who you are

autistic like I am no matter who you are you absolutely must help these children

you absolutely must help these children

you absolutely must help these children strip away those fears before you do

strip away those fears before you do

strip away those fears before you do anything else because anything else is

anything else because anything else is

anything else because anything else is going to feel forced unless they’re not

going to feel forced unless they’re not

going to feel forced unless they’re not afraid it’s why positive reinforcement

afraid it’s why positive reinforcement

afraid it’s why positive reinforcement will always do better than any form of

will always do better than any form of

will always do better than any form of punishment they want to learn when they

punishment they want to learn when they

punishment they want to learn when they feel safe and happy

feel safe and happy

feel safe and happy it just happens naturally they don’t

it just happens naturally they don’t

it just happens naturally they don’t even try to learn so I guess my one the

even try to learn so I guess my one the

even try to learn so I guess my one the one thing that I hope you could take

one thing that I hope you could take

one thing that I hope you could take away from my time here these are words

away from my time here these are words

away from my time here these are words from the kids on the server to describe

from the kids on the server to describe

from the kids on the server to describe the server the one thing I would hope

the server the one thing I would hope

the server the one thing I would hope that you could take away is that no

that you could take away is that no

that you could take away is that no matter what somebody else is going

matter what somebody else is going

matter what somebody else is going through in life right now whether

through in life right now whether

through in life right now whether they’re being bullied at school or at

they’re being bullied at school or at

they’re being bullied at school or at home if they’re questioning their

home if they’re questioning their

home if they’re questioning their sexuality or even their gender which

sexuality or even their gender which

sexuality or even their gender which happens a lot in the autism community if

happens a lot in the autism community if

happens a lot in the autism community if they’re feeling alone or even suicidal

they’re feeling alone or even suicidal

they’re feeling alone or even suicidal you have to live your life in such a way

you have to live your life in such a way

you have to live your life in such a way that that person feels like they can

that that person feels like they can

that that person feels like they can come to you and tell you they have to

come to you and tell you they have to

come to you and tell you they have to feel perfectly safe in talking to you

feel perfectly safe in talking to you

feel perfectly safe in talking to you about it if you want to see a group of

about it if you want to see a group of

about it if you want to see a group of autistic children kids whose society

autistic children kids whose society

autistic children kids whose society wrongly thinks are supposed to be

wrongly thinks are supposed to be

wrongly thinks are supposed to be antisocial and lacking in empathy you

antisocial and lacking in empathy you

antisocial and lacking in empathy you want to see them come together and build

want to see them come together and build

want to see them come together and build the most compassionate and friendly and

the most compassionate and friendly and

the most compassionate and friendly and generous community you’ve ever seen the

generous community you’ve ever seen the

generous community you’ve ever seen the kind of place that people were right

kind of place that people were right

kind of place that people were right about as one of the best places on the

about as one of the best places on the

about as one of the best places on the internet they’ll do that I’ve seen it

internet they’ll do that I’ve seen it

internet they’ll do that I’ve seen it I’m there every day but they have some

I’m there every day but they have some

I’m there every day but they have some huge obstacles that they have to

huge obstacles that they have to

huge obstacles that they have to overcome to do that and it would be

overcome to do that and it would be

overcome to do that and it would be really helpful to have somebody there

really helpful to have somebody there

really helpful to have somebody there who could help to show them that the

who could help to show them that the

who could help to show them that the only thing they really have to fear is

only thing they really have to fear is

only thing they really have to fear is self-doubt so I guess I’m asking you to

self-doubt so I guess I’m asking you to

self-doubt so I guess I’m asking you to please be that person for them because

please be that person for them because

please be that person for them because to them those kids it means everything

to them those kids it means everything

to them those kids it means everything thank you very much

thank you very much

thank you very much [Applause]

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you

you [Music]

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