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Universal Basic Share: Beyond Basic Income | Kalle Moene | TEDxTrondheim


when I speak I would like you to think

when I speak I would like you to think about one question why is Scandinavia so

about one question why is Scandinavia so

about one question why is Scandinavia so rich one reason could be that we are

rich one reason could be that we are

rich one reason could be that we are sharing so much then we get the common

sharing so much then we get the common

sharing so much then we get the common interest to make a big pie because we’re

interest to make a big pie because we’re

interest to make a big pie because we’re gonna share it in any case it isn’t the

gonna share it in any case it isn’t the

gonna share it in any case it isn’t the only explanation but this is the

only explanation but this is the

only explanation but this is the explanation that would like you to have

explanation that would like you to have

explanation that would like you to have in mind and I move on now to think more

in mind and I move on now to think more

in mind and I move on now to think more about developing countries India and

about developing countries India and

about developing countries India and other countries from many countries are

other countries from many countries are

other countries from many countries are not so fortunate as us they are not

not so fortunate as us they are not

not so fortunate as us they are not sharing as much as we do and they do

sharing as much as we do and they do

sharing as much as we do and they do much worse for example one there’s a

much worse for example one there’s a

much worse for example one there’s a tragic example the big genocide in 1994

tragic example the big genocide in 1994

tragic example the big genocide in 1994 it wasn’t only a bad economic

it wasn’t only a bad economic

it wasn’t only a bad economic catastrophe but it was also of German

catastrophe but it was also of German

catastrophe but it was also of German catastrophe as you all know 800,000

catastrophe as you all know 800,000

catastrophe as you all know 800,000 people were killed just in hundred days

people were killed just in hundred days

people were killed just in hundred days and you see here’s a graph over the GDP

and you see here’s a graph over the GDP

and you see here’s a graph over the GDP development over the period you see this

development over the period you see this

development over the period you see this a tremendous dropped in 1994 it was

a tremendous dropped in 1994 it was

a tremendous dropped in 1994 it was actually a drop in production of equal

actually a drop in production of equal

actually a drop in production of equal size of the drop in production in the

size of the drop in production in the

size of the drop in production in the Great Depression in the US greater

Great Depression in the US greater

Great Depression in the US greater actually we also see a path where it’s

actually we also see a path where it’s

actually we also see a path where it’s increasing after the things went better

increasing after the things went better

increasing after the things went better both the both the tragedy in 1984 the

both the both the tragedy in 1984 the

both the both the tragedy in 1984 the consequences of that and the prosperity

consequences of that and the prosperity

consequences of that and the prosperity that followed after but very unequally

that followed after but very unequally

that followed after but very unequally shared in the population this is typical

shared in the population this is typical

shared in the population this is typical many countries in Africa and elsewhere

many countries in Africa and elsewhere

many countries in Africa and elsewhere have a lot of conflict in Africa that’s

have a lot of conflict in Africa that’s

have a lot of conflict in Africa that’s 80 percent of all countries in Africa

80 percent of all countries in Africa

80 percent of all countries in Africa have at least one year of civil war

have at least one year of civil war

have at least one year of civil war since 1980 and as well the conflicts are

since 1980 and as well the conflicts are

since 1980 and as well the conflicts are more simmering maybe they are not so

more simmering maybe they are not so

more simmering maybe they are not so brutal as we have seen here but they are

brutal as we have seen here but they are

brutal as we have seen here but they are there and they are destroying so many

there and they are destroying so many

there and they are destroying so many economic performance of the other

economic performance of the other

economic performance of the other country and the life that people live

country and the life that people live

country and the life that people live are worse than they needed to be so we

are worse than they needed to be so we

are worse than they needed to be so we needed a solution for this and the

needed a solution for this and the

needed a solution for this and the solution I can talk about is universal

solution I can talk about is universal

solution I can talk about is universal basic income to people

basic income to people

basic income to people in principle to get a bit a colleague of

in principle to get a bit a colleague of

in principle to get a bit a colleague of mine an Indian economist working at a

mine an Indian economist working at a

mine an Indian economist working at a New York University Deborah ray we have

New York University Deborah ray we have

New York University Deborah ray we have explored the possibility of reducing

explored the possibility of reducing

explored the possibility of reducing universal basic particularly universal

universal basic particularly universal

universal basic particularly universal basic share which is a simple amendment

basic share which is a simple amendment

basic share which is a simple amendment to this universal basic income it is an

to this universal basic income it is an

to this universal basic income it is an amendment in the sense that you are

amendment in the sense that you are

amendment in the sense that you are committing to a share of the total

committing to a share of the total

committing to a share of the total income in the country that is shared by

income in the country that is shared by

income in the country that is shared by everybody everybody’s getting equal much

everybody everybody’s getting equal much

everybody everybody’s getting equal much of this ten percents a share of the

of this ten percents a share of the

of this ten percents a share of the total incomes in the country

total incomes in the country

total incomes in the country and we’re gonna know look at some

and we’re gonna know look at some

and we’re gonna know look at some consequences of that and I’m going to

consequences of that and I’m going to

consequences of that and I’m going to give you some examples so this is a

give you some examples so this is a

give you some examples so this is a universal basic share so is that three

universal basic share so is that three

universal basic share so is that three sets of consequences and they are it

sets of consequences and they are it

sets of consequences and they are it reduces poverty and inequality that’s

reduces poverty and inequality that’s

reduces poverty and inequality that’s one thing

one thing

one thing it increases the social insurance offer

it increases the social insurance offer

it increases the social insurance offer to people and it reduces conflicts each

to people and it reduces conflicts each

to people and it reduces conflicts each of these three things the universal

of these three things the universal

of these three things the universal basic share has a direct effect on each

basic share has a direct effect on each

basic share has a direct effect on each of these three entities here it reduces

of these three entities here it reduces

of these three entities here it reduces poverty obviously because you take 10%

poverty obviously because you take 10%

poverty obviously because you take 10% of the income in the country and you

of the income in the country and you

of the income in the country and you give it to everybody that means that the

give it to everybody that means that the

give it to everybody that means that the two people get much more than the heart

two people get much more than the heart

two people get much more than the heart in India 10% of the income would mean

in India 10% of the income would mean

in India 10% of the income would mean that you give the poverty line an amount

that you give the poverty line an amount

that you give the poverty line an amount equal to the poverty line in in that

equal to the poverty line in in that

equal to the poverty line in in that country you increase the social

country you increase the social

country you increase the social insurance because know there’s a certain

insurance because know there’s a certain

insurance because know there’s a certain level you can’t fall below that if

level you can’t fall below that if

level you can’t fall below that if there’s a draught in the country well

there’s a draught in the country well

there’s a draught in the country well then you you are not having the bad

then you you are not having the bad

then you you are not having the bad consequences of running into depth in

consequences of running into depth in

consequences of running into depth in order to feed your family it reduce

order to feed your family it reduce

order to feed your family it reduce conflicts because no the group that you

conflicts because no the group that you

conflicts because no the group that you represent say that will also lose if

represent say that will also lose if

represent say that will also lose if there is a conflict and and production

there is a conflict and and production

there is a conflict and and production goes down because you get lower basic

goes down because you get lower basic

goes down because you get lower basic income via the basic universal share but

income via the basic universal share but

income via the basic universal share but the most interesting thing is the

the most interesting thing is the

the most interesting thing is the interaction between these things that

interaction between these things that

interaction between these things that you have that

you have that

you have that views conflicts in itself is a social

views conflicts in itself is a social

views conflicts in itself is a social insurance because it stabilizes the

insurance because it stabilizes the

insurance because it stabilizes the economy reduce poverty eliminate so many

economy reduce poverty eliminate so many

economy reduce poverty eliminate so many conflicts it reduced inequality

conflicts it reduced inequality

conflicts it reduced inequality eliminate so many conflicts over which

eliminate so many conflicts over which

eliminate so many conflicts over which you can fight and have tremendous bad

you can fight and have tremendous bad

you can fight and have tremendous bad consequences to increase social

consequences to increase social

consequences to increase social insurance make people more secure to

insurance make people more secure to

insurance make people more secure to invest in good performance and in

invest in good performance and in

invest in good performance and in prosperity so they interact these things

prosperity so they interact these things

prosperity so they interact these things let me see how better we can find any

let me see how better we can find any

let me see how better we can find any Indian experiments that can sort of show

Indian experiments that can sort of show

Indian experiments that can sort of show some of this we cannot find any

some of this we cannot find any

some of this we cannot find any experiences where they use the universal

experiences where they use the universal

experiences where they use the universal basic share because that’s why we have

basic share because that’s why we have

basic share because that’s why we have it as an ID that it hasn’t been tried

it as an ID that it hasn’t been tried

it as an ID that it hasn’t been tried before but there are some experiments

before but there are some experiments

before but there are some experiments where they use universal basic income

where they use universal basic income

where they use universal basic income there was six thousand five hundred

people that we keep in basic income in

people that we keep in basic income in India under the administration of of

self employed Women’s Association in

self employed Women’s Association in 2009 to 2012 we have received an amount

2009 to 2012 we have received an amount

2009 to 2012 we have received an amount each of them extra for the kids that we

each of them extra for the kids that we

each of them extra for the kids that we eat around the poverty line of of each

eat around the poverty line of of each

eat around the poverty line of of each individual so what happens many people

individual so what happens many people

individual so what happens many people think well they will be just waste the

think well they will be just waste the

think well they will be just waste the money easy come easy go so we wasted on

money easy come easy go so we wasted on

money easy come easy go so we wasted on temptation goods what is happening no

temptation goods what is happening no

temptation goods what is happening no they invested manually invested to

they invested manually invested to

they invested manually invested to improve the toilets there is the first

improve the toilets there is the first

improve the toilets there is the first thing they did you know 60% of

thing they did you know 60% of

thing they did you know 60% of households in in India have to

households in in India have to

households in in India have to decaffeinate in the open this is a

decaffeinate in the open this is a

decaffeinate in the open this is a terrible tragedy for women in particular

terrible tragedy for women in particular

terrible tragedy for women in particular in India the first thing that did this

in India the first thing that did this

in India the first thing that did this get them resources to improve the

get them resources to improve the

get them resources to improve the toilets they invested in children the

toilets they invested in children the

toilets they invested in children the more more schooling for children girls

more more schooling for children girls

more more schooling for children girls in particular girls are discriminated in

in particular girls are discriminated in

in particular girls are discriminated in India so we went up at 40% compared to

India so we went up at 40% compared to

India so we went up at 40% compared to the villages that didn’t receive a basic

the villages that didn’t receive a basic

the villages that didn’t receive a basic income and the schooling reached a level

income and the schooling reached a level

income and the schooling reached a level of 65% of the girls which is very high

of 65% of the girls which is very high

of 65% of the girls which is very high in Indian context they are also so

in Indian context they are also so

in Indian context they are also so better feeding in households better they

better feeding in households better they

better feeding in households better they got better nourished

got better nourished

got better nourished one indication of this is the weight of

one indication of this is the weight of

one indication of this is the weight of our girls compared to the age those were

our girls compared to the age those were

our girls compared to the age those were underweighted that declined there was it

underweighted that declined there was it

underweighted that declined there was it a double effect of this compared to the

a double effect of this compared to the

a double effect of this compared to the villages that didn’t receive basic

villages that didn’t receive basic

villages that didn’t receive basic income it was also the case that they

income it was also the case that they

income it was also the case that they didn’t work less they work more than so

didn’t work less they work more than so

didn’t work less they work more than so people are afraid that basic income

people are afraid that basic income

people are afraid that basic income should lead to lower work should look at

should lead to lower work should look at

should lead to lower work should look at somebody experiences where they’ve been

somebody experiences where they’ve been

somebody experiences where they’ve been tried out they look worked more and it

tried out they look worked more and it

tried out they look worked more and it worked smarter they each choose more the

worked smarter they each choose more the

worked smarter they each choose more the work they did because they were invested

work they did because they were invested

work they did because they were invested in they have insurance in it in a period

in they have insurance in it in a period

in they have insurance in it in a period between jobs so they can have a better

between jobs so they can have a better

between jobs so they can have a better job all in all and also gave poverty

job all in all and also gave poverty

job all in all and also gave poverty females in particular in the household

females in particular in the household

females in particular in the household because they got when you get individual

because they got when you get individual

because they got when you get individual money you get individual power and and

money you get individual power and and

money you get individual power and and you also got the bank account didn’t

you also got the bank account didn’t

you also got the bank account didn’t have that before you have to pay them

have that before you have to pay them

have that before you have to pay them into a bank account and that got more

into a bank account and that got more

into a bank account and that got more control outrageous so you think that

control outrageous so you think that

control outrageous so you think that there are so many good things about

there are so many good things about

there are so many good things about these things they are you having a basic

these things they are you having a basic

these things they are you having a basic income and in particularly if it is a

income and in particularly if it is a

income and in particularly if it is a universal basic shear because then you

universal basic shear because then you

universal basic shear because then you lift this floor that everybody stands on

lift this floor that everybody stands on

lift this floor that everybody stands on in tandem with the economic growth and

in tandem with the economic growth and

in tandem with the economic growth and performance of the rest of the economies

performance of the rest of the economies

performance of the rest of the economies you are not lagging behind when there is

you are not lagging behind when there is

you are not lagging behind when there is prosperity you get the share of the

prosperity you get the share of the

prosperity you get the share of the prosperity when there’s new machinery

prosperity when there’s new machinery

prosperity when there’s new machinery you get the press share of the benefits

you get the press share of the benefits

you get the press share of the benefits of the new machinery but it’s more

of the new machinery but it’s more

of the new machinery but it’s more globalization you get the benefits a

globalization you get the benefits a

globalization you get the benefits a share of the benefits of more

share of the benefits of more

share of the benefits of more globalization but people who say well

globalization but people who say well

globalization but people who say well isn’t this is fine if you can pay for it

isn’t this is fine if you can pay for it

isn’t this is fine if you can pay for it it’s nice but it’s too pricey for

it’s nice but it’s too pricey for

it’s nice but it’s too pricey for developing countries I will say the

developing countries I will say the

developing countries I will say the opposite you become rich by investing in

opposite you become rich by investing in

opposite you become rich by investing in these arrangements you don’t have to be

these arrangements you don’t have to be

these arrangements you don’t have to be rich in the foreign people say well but

rich in the foreign people say well but

rich in the foreign people say well but these countries are so corrupt

these countries are so corrupt

these countries are so corrupt there can be more or less true we can’t

there can be more or less true we can’t

there can be more or less true we can’t implement the scheme that is but notice

implement the scheme that is but notice

implement the scheme that is but notice this is a very transparent and simple

this is a very transparent and simple

this is a very transparent and simple scheme it’s ten percent

scheme it’s ten percent

scheme it’s ten percent easy to Shack you’re going to be a

easy to Shack you’re going to be a

easy to Shack you’re going to be a broadcast on television at this year’s

broadcast on television at this year’s

broadcast on television at this year’s bonus to everybody is so on so much and

bonus to everybody is so on so much and

bonus to everybody is so on so much and I can check whether they got it

I can check whether they got it

I can check whether they got it it’s very transparent and also if you

it’s very transparent and also if you

it’s very transparent and also if you fight corruption then you will benefit

fight corruption then you will benefit

fight corruption then you will benefit even more so you get the social interest

even more so you get the social interest

even more so you get the social interest in sort of organizing a protest against

in sort of organizing a protest against

in sort of organizing a protest against corruption and because you get pot or a

corruption and because you get pot or a

corruption and because you get pot or a benefit this is why we should stand on

benefit this is why we should stand on

benefit this is why we should stand on this platform to move further in many

this platform to move further in many

this platform to move further in many countries thank you

countries thank you

countries thank you [Applause]

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