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Un viaje al lugar del otro | Claudia Briones | TEDxBariloche


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Well, I want you to accompany me to a

pretty lightning trip not to leave

to another place but to go to the place

of the other

a few months ago when I started

imagine this day I thought it was a

important issue in the latter

weeks in these latitudes

I come thinking that it is a matter of

treatment and soslayable

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so let’s start by sharing the

experience of dreaming victorina that the

experience of many people and what they

I’m going to ask is that we make it our own

imagine that we have been feeling

well but in the hospital studies

it does not look anything

the doctors tell us good we’re

stressed

but the discomfort grows and with the discomfort

the concern is ours and that of

our family not then we give ourselves

mind that it was time to make

case what we are told by the

family friends and find out between

the acquaintances what can be the

machi that can receive us and attend and

you’re going to have to put a lot of money together

because the web is expensive because there

to take enough buses to go

from our ruca here to the rock of

the machi near temuco does not mapu but

they help us put together the little plate and

we travel ten days we are outside

home but the truth is that we started

to feel better

the week of internment in the house of

the machi the eu that we started

take the conversations that we had not

they were clarifying a lot the panorama we

they made senses

then we said good let’s bring all the

water and we can like that we have time left

work together masculin return what

They loaned us and come back for maxwell but

It turns out that Havana

those little bottles full of soil

they can pass the border

we try to explain good in

the web but the officials already

they started to get upset because they

They are doing their job and are

close the pass

so we leave the web or lose the

collective and then on the trip of

he came back

we are feeling a lot of anger when we

we remember the bottles on the web

next to the garbage cans and let’s go

feeling a lot of impotence

they tell us that what is not healing

to us it is a risk for the state

HEALTH phytosanitary phytosanitary

population as if we were

part of the population and we started to

feel a lot of fear because if we stop

take it on the web

maybe we will get worse and what is

worse yet maybe that hurts the machi that

I put part of his mummy in the

web preparation

and then that feeling bothers us

of arbitrariness of not knowing when

we can pass if and when not with the web

sometimes yes sometimes not and especially of

think how much ago and how many people

these things happen

I chose this trip because of what

I know a little bit more and because we are

here in patagonia but there could be

chosen to very similar situations that

they are going on all the time in different

parts of the world so what I’m going

to ask that no matter with what part

identify more no matter how

you believe that things have to

be hold up with me

on the one hand the feeling of discomfort of

some and on the other the feeling of

anger annoyance impotence injustice

others because the possibility that we have

to think better ways to live and

of being together is going to have to do with

our predisposition to analyze and

understand situations like these do not

It’s been a long time since we appeared

an intercultural word to see and

name something that until recently

apparently we did not see

we named if we live in societies

heterogeneous with heterogeneity

very different type and how we now have

word seems to us that this word does not

it works both as a diagnosis and

with a remedy to treat this kind of

situations

the thing is that multiculturalism is

a pretty deceiving word that all

we can use meaning

very different things and that’s why what I

I would like to share with you today

certain concerns some

learnings and also my expectation and

enthusiasm for what we can achieve what

that we will be able to achieve when we

let’s really take this seriously

possibility of thinking

interculturality as a horizon for

a fairer coexistence

let’s start then with the

concerns said he does not do so many

decades that interculturality

it helps to name something that we did not come

seeing that it did not seem important to us and

now we realize how good it is

certain relevance

we call multiculturalism as

it’s like this because we would have been

relatively blind to these issues

and if we have a word

surely we will have some recipes

to treat these things not the not so

good news that we do not have recipes

because what we are going to do with

our coexistence surely depends

of our stories as a society of

our dynamics now for one another

side the not so bad news is that if

for near and distant experiences

own and others

there are better and worse ways of thinking

interculturality and it’s where I

I would like to share some learnings

some I did them because of my training

anthropologist and others from experience

work and life that I was having

later when we hear complaints from

interculturality when we are made not

to the social set claims of

interculturality

they are usually calling us the

attention to two forms of

discrimination that are equally

harmful and that in many cases for

certain people go together

the first one seems pretty self

It is obvious that we are little

to school

we know that we are all citizens

equal in front of the law then it is

easy

why discriminating is having a deal

differential towards some not giving them

equal access to those rights

there are many debts in this sense

still but let’s follow the antidote the

antidote against this is the

universal rights

that’s why customs officials

they know they are doing well

they feel that they are doing well because

they are taking care of the phytosanitary state

of the entire population that would be a

right of all

the other form of discrimination maybe

be a little harder to see

for several of us and that’s why it has

a lot of resonance with the lightning trip

what I asked them to do, not that

Doña’s feeling of pain and anger

victorina for example or so many others

when they feel their belongings their

perspectives do not take place in the

daily institutional coexistence and

that’s when the antidote that we have

to remedy different types of

injustice that can be a partner

cultural gender and sexual option

of age class of capabilities

different are the rights

differentiated

those differentiated rights that we

they mark injustices with which

lived day to day because because

violent an idea of ​​population that

homogenizes from the values and some

the supposed values ​​of all when in

reality those values ​​that we

homogenize are usually and apologize to

several but those of a white male

educated Spanish-speaking adult

heterosexual and up to here

good anthropology and philosophy

I love what I would like

to share are learnings that I did

then common sense usually

with so many things that we have when

we read some of this the diaries only

we listen through some newscast

or grab us in

at the door of our houses is to think

that every claim of interculturality is

a problem we have so many a problem

plus

however we do know how to listen if we

we take the time to leave our

prejudices and our pilots

automatic

we are going to realize that the claims

intercultural really are

diagnoses are diagnostic of what

it does not work

our coexistence of the things that

we would have to change for example and the

true that I was also realizing

with age

He was finishing to understand many

things that I had been listening to year

victorina don guillermo doña teresa

dona lorenza of so many

that pain and that frustration just

I could finish to understand when it was

imposed the place of the other

in the place of the other being a student

abroad and when the only thing

saw was all the time weird faces or

uncomfortable silences that were

showing me that my accent corporeality

even my way of being mom was

inappropriate or inappropriate

it means that if we do not encourage ourselves to

resonate with what each one of us

the majority

many of us have some

experience of having been put in the

place of the other resonating with those

experiences

there starts something that is good at what

is based

my expectation and enthusiasm because in

actually the way of the

interculturality is a way that well

travel will enrich us and we will

reaffirm and especially for the

possibility of exorcising certain

injustices to prevent them from going out with

things so much anger when the

I think we can express myself in a

moment where by historical debts that

they are not their own and because of conflict

that are appearing in different

parts of the world

It is obvious that we have not known how to find

good way to be together

we have international recognitions

We have legal recognitions

national but the truth that still

There is a lot to do and the good news

is another good news that we are good

in a good frame to put hands to the

work of 2015

we live in a municipality that is recognized

as intercultural it means that

our little place in the world

It could be a good laboratory

practices and experiences for us

and for others

I’m not going to tell you that this is going to be

easy

If we want to change things, it’s not enough

with that distant respect of is a

problem of us we are going to have

that feel uncomfortable uncomfortable and the

discomfort that arises from whether to put on

the table our disagreements and our

conflicts and surely the official

of Customs lowers you to bother having to

use other protocols and let go

things without also understanding that it is in the

web and other travelers are going to say why

this person can pass what I do not

I can pass and doña victoria and so many

others to get upset again by

have to explain what happens with the web

because they are in treatment thing that

nobody else has to explain when

crosses the border but if they achieve

hold with me

those feelings of impotence anger

of injustice of annoyance

I hope you start to feel that

travel these discomforts

it’s worth it and it’s something to see

we should not be afraid of

disagreements the coexistence or leagues do not

are those that occur without disagreement and without

conflicts occur in situations where

We know how to process our

disagreements and we know how to build it

common from the differences

in this sense good if there are many

things that are responsibilities of

state and state policies

but what excites me is knowing

that achieve better ways of being together

It depends on our creativity

rethink it to rethink the social but

It depends on the sensitivity we have

and for me sensitivity is something that

leaves here to find

to commit ourselves to those better ways

to live at home in bariloche in

nahuel huapi futalaufquen meu and more

There too

Thank you

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