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Transforming Medicine | Stéphane Bancel | TEDxBeaconStreet


I’m gonna ask a few I’m gonna throw it a

I’m gonna ask a few I’m gonna throw it a few words or thoughts and just react to

few words or thoughts and just react to

few words or thoughts and just react to them Airbnb uber to companies who are

them Airbnb uber to companies who are

them Airbnb uber to companies who are totally you’re reinventing their

totally you’re reinventing their

totally you’re reinventing their business okay manufacturing something

business okay manufacturing something

business okay manufacturing something very complex yep

very complex yep

very complex yep judo or jiu-jitsu a way you want to

judo or jiu-jitsu a way you want to

judo or jiu-jitsu a way you want to fight if you’re smaller he’s a big guy

fight if you’re smaller he’s a big guy

fight if you’re smaller he’s a big guy inside

inside

inside Syke enough full virus who heard so many

Syke enough full virus who heard so many

Syke enough full virus who heard so many children yeah so many people know Conan

children yeah so many people know Conan

children yeah so many people know Conan O’Brien grew up across the street from

O’Brien grew up across the street from

O’Brien grew up across the street from here and it’s dad Tom O’Brien is when

here and it’s dad Tom O’Brien is when

here and it’s dad Tom O’Brien is when the top infectious disease guy so we’ll

the top infectious disease guy so we’ll

the top infectious disease guy so we’ll circle back to infectious disease

circle back to infectious disease

circle back to infectious disease Silicon Valley crazy people

Silicon Valley crazy people

Silicon Valley crazy people okay a company you know we gave an award

okay a company you know we gave an award

okay a company you know we gave an award earlier lifetime streamer award to the

earlier lifetime streamer award to the

earlier lifetime streamer award to the visit count team Microsoft has done

visit count team Microsoft has done

visit count team Microsoft has done pretty well with software what do you

pretty well with software what do you

pretty well with software what do you think of Microsoft and and what they’ve

think of Microsoft and and what they’ve

think of Microsoft and and what they’ve done with software

done with software

done with software I think they enable us to just change

I think they enable us to just change

I think they enable us to just change how we how we work how we think how we

how we how we work how we think how we

how we how we work how we think how we create blockbuster blockbuster movie

create blockbuster blockbuster movie

create blockbuster blockbuster movie blockbuster yeah blockbuster

blockbuster yeah blockbuster

blockbuster yeah blockbuster billion-dollar blockbuster what do you

billion-dollar blockbuster what do you

billion-dollar blockbuster what do you think sometimes good movies sometimes

think sometimes good movies sometimes

think sometimes good movies sometimes not so good movies yeah patience that’s

not so good movies yeah patience that’s

not so good movies yeah patience that’s why I get up in the morning for your

why I get up in the morning for your

why I get up in the morning for your patience

patience

patience unicorn when you think of the word

unicorn when you think of the word

unicorn when you think of the word unicorn it’s French anymore yeah great

unicorn it’s French anymore yeah great

unicorn it’s French anymore yeah great so you had lived in the u.s. four times

so you had lived in the u.s. four times

so you had lived in the u.s. four times this is your fourth time you grew up in

this is your fourth time you grew up in

this is your fourth time you grew up in France in 2008 to 11

France in 2008 to 11

France in 2008 to 11 you were running a company that did

you were running a company that did

you were running a company that did pretty well you had six thousand

pretty well you had six thousand

pretty well you had six thousand employees they all report to you not all

employees they all report to you not all

employees they all report to you not all the CEO of a company with six thousand

the CEO of a company with six thousand

the CEO of a company with six thousand five billion dollar company it was

five billion dollar company it was

five billion dollar company it was number one in space blood Diagnostics

number one in space blood Diagnostics

number one in space blood Diagnostics you spent two years in France and you

you spent two years in France and you

you spent two years in France and you moved here and ran it for three years

moved here and ran it for three years

moved here and ran it for three years when you were done running that you

when you were done running that you

when you were done running that you could have just bought an island and

could have just bought an island and

could have just bought an island and done nothing is that true not that

done nothing is that true not that

done nothing is that true not that that’s your inclination but is that true

that’s your inclination but is that true

that’s your inclination but is that true or false kind of true

or false kind of true

or false kind of true kinda true so you didn’t need to work

kinda true so you didn’t need to work

kinda true so you didn’t need to work another day in your life you’d helped a

another day in your life you’d helped a

another day in your life you’d helped a lot of people in the health space but

lot of people in the health space but

lot of people in the health space but you decided to jump in is that right

you decided to jump in is that right

you decided to jump in is that right yeah so in 2012 we started text weakened

yeah so in 2012 we started text weakened

yeah so in 2012 we started text weakened screen 2014 we asked you to give a talk

screen 2014 we asked you to give a talk

screen 2014 we asked you to give a talk here how what was that process like in

here how what was that process like in

here how what was that process like in terms of helping you with this little

terms of helping you with this little

terms of helping you with this little company that you’ve been leading

company that you’ve been leading

company that you’ve been leading recently so I was very helpful in two

recently so I was very helpful in two

recently so I was very helpful in two ways I think the first way was you know

ways I think the first way was you know

ways I think the first way was you know we do something that’s very science II

we do something that’s very science II

we do something that’s very science II we do messenger RNA which I guess some

we do messenger RNA which I guess some

we do messenger RNA which I guess some people in the room don’t know what it is

people in the room don’t know what it is

people in the room don’t know what it is so I’ll come back to that later do you

so I’ll come back to that later do you

so I’ll come back to that later do you will so so we just are trying to invent

will so so we just are trying to invent

will so so we just are trying to invent a new way to make medicine just totally

a new way to make medicine just totally

a new way to make medicine just totally new ways so that your body is making the

new ways so that your body is making the

new ways so that your body is making the medicine not in a factory on the other

medicine not in a factory on the other

medicine not in a factory on the other side of the planet but your body makes

side of the planet but your body makes

side of the planet but your body makes you own medicine when you’re sick so

you own medicine when you’re sick so

you own medicine when you’re sick so just totally crazy way to do it so that

just totally crazy way to do it so that

just totally crazy way to do it so that was very helpful to help me figure out

was very helpful to help me figure out

was very helpful to help me figure out how do I explain this

how do I explain this

how do I explain this this crazy concept to people who don’t

this crazy concept to people who don’t

this crazy concept to people who don’t know the biotech space the second way

know the biotech space the second way

know the biotech space the second way way was very helpful is because he was

way was very helpful is because he was

way was very helpful is because he was on a web and on tell that I had so many

on a web and on tell that I had so many

on a web and on tell that I had so many employees prospect you know coming to

employees prospect you know coming to

employees prospect you know coming to the office saying hey I’m coming from an

the office saying hey I’m coming from an

the office saying hey I’m coming from an interview I already saw a TED talk I

interview I already saw a TED talk I

interview I already saw a TED talk I think I get it same thing with suppliers

think I get it same thing with suppliers

think I get it same thing with suppliers partners so that’s really helped us find

partners so that’s really helped us find

partners so that’s really helped us find a structure to explain what we do to

a structure to explain what we do to

a structure to explain what we do to people who do not know what we do so

people who do not know what we do so

people who do not know what we do so third-party validation yes you have your

third-party validation yes you have your

third-party validation yes you have your fiber in place so those of you don’t

fiber in place so those of you don’t

fiber in place so those of you don’t know moderna some companies raise money

know moderna some companies raise money

know moderna some companies raise money they’ve successfully raised 1.9 million

they’ve successfully raised 1.9 million

they’ve successfully raised 1.9 million dollars you misspoke I misspoke 1.9

dollars you misspoke I misspoke 1.9

dollars you misspoke I misspoke 1.9 billion dollars

billion dollars

billion dollars right now yeah right now they’re

right now yeah right now they’re

right now yeah right now they’re evaluated at a five billion dollars and

evaluated at a five billion dollars and

evaluated at a five billion dollars and they are a unicorn they are the Airbnb

they are a unicorn they are the Airbnb

they are a unicorn they are the Airbnb of biotech you were looking at the Mark

of biotech you were looking at the Mark

of biotech you were looking at the Mark Zuckerberg a biotech I don’t know if he

Zuckerberg a biotech I don’t know if he

Zuckerberg a biotech I don’t know if he would claim that but many people have

would claim that but many people have

would claim that but many people have referred to him as that so again he

referred to him as that so again he

referred to him as that so again he didn’t go live in an island he said I

didn’t go live in an island he said I

didn’t go live in an island he said I want to do something remarkable and you

want to do something remarkable and you

want to do something remarkable and you an interesting path you went to business

an interesting path you went to business

an interesting path you went to business school and while all your peers went

school and while all your peers went

school and while all your peers went into the dot-com space fill’ sanderson

into the dot-com space fill’ sanderson

into the dot-com space fill’ sanderson was up here’s a guy who helped create

was up here’s a guy who helped create

was up here’s a guy who helped create Pandora he did calm space you went into

Pandora he did calm space you went into

Pandora he did calm space you went into manufacturing and what’s that a smart

manufacturing and what’s that a smart

manufacturing and what’s that a smart choice or did that kind of derail you or

choice or did that kind of derail you or

choice or did that kind of derail you or has that play out again I’ve always been

has that play out again I’ve always been

has that play out again I’ve always been in love with making medicine and I

in love with making medicine and I

in love with making medicine and I thought it was important for me to know

thought it was important for me to know

thought it was important for me to know how actually to physically make medicine

how actually to physically make medicine

how actually to physically make medicine because if you look at it all the

because if you look at it all the

because if you look at it all the pharmaceutical company all of them in

pharmaceutical company all of them in

pharmaceutical company all of them in the last 20 years all had big FDA issue

the last 20 years all had big FDA issue

the last 20 years all had big FDA issue we saw Jen’s I’m here you know a few

we saw Jen’s I’m here you know a few

we saw Jen’s I’m here you know a few miles away from here and it always put

miles away from here and it always put

miles away from here and it always put them on their knees and I was like it’s

them on their knees and I was like it’s

them on their knees and I was like it’s crazy to spend so much time in the labs

crazy to spend so much time in the labs

crazy to spend so much time in the labs making those medicines if you cannot

making those medicines if you cannot

making those medicines if you cannot find a way to make them move the right

find a way to make them move the right

find a way to make them move the right quality to get them to patients so I

quality to get them to patients so I

quality to get them to patients so I wanted to spend a bit of time learning

wanted to spend a bit of time learning

wanted to spend a bit of time learning working in a factory how to do that and

working in a factory how to do that and

working in a factory how to do that and that has been something that has helped

that has been something that has helped

that has been something that has helped me almost very good investment for you

me almost very good investment for you

me almost very good investment for you to be a black belt

to be a black belt

to be a black belt judo CEO of a biotech firm so I asked

judo CEO of a biotech firm so I asked

judo CEO of a biotech firm so I asked you about judo and jiu-jitsu so those of

you about judo and jiu-jitsu so those of

you about judo and jiu-jitsu so those of you who don’t know and you will know em

you who don’t know and you will know em

you who don’t know and you will know em RNA can you talk a little bit about you

RNA can you talk a little bit about you

RNA can you talk a little bit about you know we talked about how I see it as

know we talked about how I see it as

know we talked about how I see it as judo like like and this is a software of

judo like like and this is a software of

judo like like and this is a software of life just just talk a little bit about

life just just talk a little bit about

life just just talk a little bit about this big idea that pulled you away from

this big idea that pulled you away from

this big idea that pulled you away from running the the company who had been

running the the company who had been

running the the company who had been running to be part of this startup it’s

running to be part of this startup it’s

running to be part of this startup it’s now 500 staff in the early years he

now 500 staff in the early years he

now 500 staff in the early years he spoke here and it was helped way the

spoke here and it was helped way the

spoke here and it was helped way the talk helped bring in some of the talent

talk helped bring in some of the talent

talk helped bring in some of the talent you have now but talk about the big idea

you have now but talk about the big idea

you have now but talk about the big idea because that is an idea worth spreading

because that is an idea worth spreading

because that is an idea worth spreading and worth putting in action yes so if

and worth putting in action yes so if

and worth putting in action yes so if you look at the dogma of biology the way

you look at the dogma of biology the way

you look at the dogma of biology the way your body works is you have your DNA

your body works is you have your DNA

your body works is you have your DNA that’s basically as all the recipes for

that’s basically as all the recipes for

that’s basically as all the recipes for all the proteins

all the proteins

all the proteins in your body around 22,000 and every

in your body around 22,000 and every

in your body around 22,000 and every time you sell needs a protein like

time you sell needs a protein like

time you sell needs a protein like insulin what he does he makes a copy of

insulin what he does he makes a copy of

insulin what he does he makes a copy of that information instruction in

that information instruction in

that information instruction in something called the messenger RNA and

something called the messenger RNA and

something called the messenger RNA and that messenger RNA makes a copy from you

that messenger RNA makes a copy from you

that messenger RNA makes a copy from you DNA goes inside your cell and makes

DNA goes inside your cell and makes

DNA goes inside your cell and makes insulin protein and you cell does that a

insulin protein and you cell does that a

insulin protein and you cell does that a trillion times per day every one of your

trillion times per day every one of your

trillion times per day every one of your cells so but where since the 70s the

cells so but where since the 70s the

cells so but where since the 70s the biotech industry has made protein

biotech industry has made protein

biotech industry has made protein medicines is they took the human gene

medicines is they took the human gene

medicines is they took the human gene from your human DNA they put it in the

from your human DNA they put it in the

from your human DNA they put it in the bacteria and they made the doctor I make

bacteria and they made the doctor I make

bacteria and they made the doctor I make the protein the way we’re trying to

the protein the way we’re trying to

the protein the way we’re trying to change how we do medicines for patients

change how we do medicines for patients

change how we do medicines for patients is what trying to make directly the

is what trying to make directly the

is what trying to make directly the messenger RNA between your DNA and your

messenger RNA between your DNA and your

messenger RNA between your DNA and your protein so we make the messenger RNA and

protein so we make the messenger RNA and

protein so we make the messenger RNA and we inject the patient the messenger RNA

we inject the patient the messenger RNA

we inject the patient the messenger RNA and their body by itself makes the

and their body by itself makes the

and their body by itself makes the protein that’s gonna cure them that’s

protein that’s gonna cure them that’s

protein that’s gonna cure them that’s what we’re trying to do so like judo is

what we’re trying to do so like judo is

what we’re trying to do so like judo is putting something in your body to use

putting something in your body to use

putting something in your body to use your body to do successful things so a

your body to do successful things so a

your body to do successful things so a lot of my wife’s father my father-in-law

lot of my wife’s father my father-in-law

lot of my wife’s father my father-in-law worked at a biotech company that was

worked at a biotech company that was

worked at a biotech company that was doing very well in the 80s and 90s and

doing very well in the 80s and 90s and

doing very well in the 80s and 90s and it’s a very different time now for those

it’s a very different time now for those

it’s a very different time now for those companies and I interacted with them

companies and I interacted with them

companies and I interacted with them when I was at MIT and a lot of these

when I was at MIT and a lot of these

when I was at MIT and a lot of these companies they feel the pressure of

companies they feel the pressure of

companies they feel the pressure of trying to create these blockbuster drugs

trying to create these blockbuster drugs

trying to create these blockbuster drugs and I asked you about blockbuster movies

and I asked you about blockbuster movies

and I asked you about blockbuster movies so you’re sitting on the technology that

so you’re sitting on the technology that

so you’re sitting on the technology that kind of big impact and I know you have

kind of big impact and I know you have

kind of big impact and I know you have you have a strategy on how to have

you have a strategy on how to have

you have a strategy on how to have impact do you feel the pressure to

impact do you feel the pressure to

impact do you feel the pressure to create a blockbuster drug that can

create a blockbuster drug that can

create a blockbuster drug that can underwrite everything you’re doing like

underwrite everything you’re doing like

underwrite everything you’re doing like how do you see the blockbuster mentality

how do you see the blockbuster mentality

how do you see the blockbuster mentality playing out at your company or is it not

playing out at your company or is it not

playing out at your company or is it not yeah actually it is not we’re trying to

yeah actually it is not we’re trying to

yeah actually it is not we’re trying to do the right biology so that we can get

do the right biology so that we can get

do the right biology so that we can get the right medicine to patients the big

the right medicine to patients the big

the right medicine to patients the big problem with a pharmaceutical industry

problem with a pharmaceutical industry

problem with a pharmaceutical industry is it’s a trial-and-error business they

is it’s a trial-and-error business they

is it’s a trial-and-error business they try millions of things for one thing to

try millions of things for one thing to

try millions of things for one thing to get approved we think that a much better

get approved we think that a much better

get approved we think that a much better way to do it is to using the software of

way to do it is to using the software of

way to do it is to using the software of life using messenger RNA is to design

life using messenger RNA is to design

life using messenger RNA is to design the right protein

the right protein

the right protein so that you’re gonna be cured once and

so that you’re gonna be cured once and

so that you’re gonna be cured once and for all that’s kind of how we think

for all that’s kind of how we think

for all that’s kind of how we think about it and so we don’t believe that

about it and so we don’t believe that

about it and so we don’t believe that you need a billion dollar drug so that

you need a billion dollar drug so that

you need a billion dollar drug so that you can make a profit so that you can

you can make a profit so that you can

you can make a profit so that you can survive we think that you could have

survive we think that you could have

survive we think that you could have much smaller medicines because these

much smaller medicines because these

much smaller medicines because these eases are much more complicated and we

eases are much more complicated and we

eases are much more complicated and we think that if you can do a drug much

think that if you can do a drug much

think that if you can do a drug much faster because you use a software of

faster because you use a software of

faster because you use a software of life if your drugs can be much cheaper

life if your drugs can be much cheaper

life if your drugs can be much cheaper because you need a very little amount of

because you need a very little amount of

because you need a very little amount of messenger RNA every time we give you the

messenger RNA every time we give you the

messenger RNA every time we give you the messenger RNA medicine for one molecule

messenger RNA medicine for one molecule

messenger RNA medicine for one molecule of mRNA getting into your body your body

of mRNA getting into your body your body

of mRNA getting into your body your body is gonna make a thousand copies so it’s

is gonna make a thousand copies so it’s

is gonna make a thousand copies so it’s a thousandfold improvement so you just

a thousandfold improvement so you just

a thousandfold improvement so you just need a very little to just help your

need a very little to just help your

need a very little to just help your body to do what it needs so that you get

body to do what it needs so that you get

body to do what it needs so that you get back healthy like Jamie go help me help

back healthy like Jamie go help me help

back healthy like Jamie go help me help you yes I don’t know if you quote that

you yes I don’t know if you quote that

you yes I don’t know if you quote that you don’t I should yeah so you know I’m

you don’t I should yeah so you know I’m

you don’t I should yeah so you know I’m in the mented reality space by day we’re

in the mented reality space by day we’re

in the mented reality space by day we’re creating a headset where you see

creating a headset where you see

creating a headset where you see three-dimensional objects it’s a new

three-dimensional objects it’s a new

three-dimensional objects it’s a new tack in a new space you’re new tech and

tack in a new space you’re new tech and

tack in a new space you’re new tech and you’re trying to you know make it

you’re trying to you know make it

you’re trying to you know make it mainstream how hard is that how easy is

mainstream how hard is that how easy is

mainstream how hard is that how easy is that what keeps you up at night you’re

that what keeps you up at night you’re

that what keeps you up at night you’re onto something can have real impacts

onto something can have real impacts

onto something can have real impacts how’s it going so I mean it’s going

how’s it going so I mean it’s going

how’s it going so I mean it’s going really amazing we now have 12 drugs that

really amazing we now have 12 drugs that

really amazing we now have 12 drugs that are in development we already have 250

are in development we already have 250

are in development we already have 250 people that have been injected with all

people that have been injected with all

people that have been injected with all medicines in Europe in the US now in

medicines in Europe in the US now in

medicines in Europe in the US now in Australia hopefully next week we should

Australia hopefully next week we should

Australia hopefully next week we should very soon start with Zika vaccine in

very soon start with Zika vaccine in

very soon start with Zika vaccine in clinical trial we just filed to be FD n

clinical trial we just filed to be FD n

clinical trial we just filed to be FD n to tell you how amazing these

to tell you how amazing these

to tell you how amazing these technologies thanks to the team that

technologies thanks to the team that

technologies thanks to the team that have builded is we started working on a

have builded is we started working on a

have builded is we started working on a Zika vaccine last December at December

Zika vaccine last December at December

Zika vaccine last December at December 2015 we filed to u.s. fda a month ago to

2015 we filed to u.s. fda a month ago to

2015 we filed to u.s. fda a month ago to get the authorization to start clinical

get the authorization to start clinical

get the authorization to start clinical trial that is ten moves from having

trial that is ten moves from having

trial that is ten moves from having nothing just an idea of let’s do it the

nothing just an idea of let’s do it the

nothing just an idea of let’s do it the carboxy to being ready that process in

carboxy to being ready that process in

carboxy to being ready that process in big pharma takes five to six years

big pharma takes five to six years

big pharma takes five to six years it’s just how crazy this is and we have

it’s just how crazy this is and we have

it’s just how crazy this is and we have done 15 of those vaccines with just

done 15 of those vaccines with just

done 15 of those vaccines with just different no viruses and so things are

different no viruses and so things are

different no viruses and so things are going really well the thing I worry the

going really well the thing I worry the

going really well the thing I worry the most at night is we clearly have a true

most at night is we clearly have a true

most at night is we clearly have a true platform because the difference between

platform because the difference between

platform because the difference between the mRNA for in

the mRNA for in

the mRNA for in aleem off of a Zika vaccine it’s just

aleem off of a Zika vaccine it’s just

aleem off of a Zika vaccine it’s just the sequence over laterals like in

the sequence over laterals like in

the sequence over laterals like in software you have zeros and ones in

software you have zeros and ones in

software you have zeros and ones in messenger Arnie you have four letters

messenger Arnie you have four letters

messenger Arnie you have four letters and so the difference between those two

and so the difference between those two

and so the difference between those two products is just four letters so it

products is just four letters so it

products is just four letters so it takes a lot of time a lot of research to

takes a lot of time a lot of research to

takes a lot of time a lot of research to get the first drug to work but then the

get the first drug to work but then the

get the first drug to work but then the second the third the fourth they go very

second the third the fourth they go very

second the third the fourth they go very very fast we now make a thousand

very fast we now make a thousand

very fast we now make a thousand different messenger RNA drug every month

different messenger RNA drug every month

different messenger RNA drug every month if you will come to see us you know in

if you will come to see us you know in

if you will come to see us you know in Kendall Square we have just a huge farm

Kendall Square we have just a huge farm

Kendall Square we have just a huge farm of robots that just crank messenger RNA

of robots that just crank messenger RNA

of robots that just crank messenger RNA so you see the up side of a platform is

so you see the up side of a platform is

so you see the up side of a platform is speed scalability the thing I worry

speed scalability the thing I worry

speed scalability the thing I worry about is the downside because now that

about is the downside because now that

about is the downside because now that we know this is safe and working in

we know this is safe and working in

we know this is safe and working in human and we’re going to be publishing

human and we’re going to be publishing

human and we’re going to be publishing the clinical data early in a new year is

the clinical data early in a new year is

the clinical data early in a new year is I worry about what can we mess up

I worry about what can we mess up

I worry about what can we mess up because if you make a mistake you pick

because if you make a mistake you pick

because if you make a mistake you pick the wrong chemistry you make a

the wrong chemistry you make a

the wrong chemistry you make a manufacturing mistake all the drugs are

manufacturing mistake all the drugs are

manufacturing mistake all the drugs are wrong that’s the downside of a platform

wrong that’s the downside of a platform

wrong that’s the downside of a platform so what I spend a lot of time with a

so what I spend a lot of time with a

so what I spend a lot of time with a team now thinking about is what can go

team now thinking about is what can go

team now thinking about is what can go wrong because we can see a path to

wrong because we can see a path to

wrong because we can see a path to having dozens of drugs getting to

having dozens of drugs getting to

having dozens of drugs getting to patients so small medicine some for big

patients so small medicine some for big

patients so small medicine some for big markets we don’t really care we’re not

markets we don’t really care we’re not

markets we don’t really care we’re not solving for the size of a market were

solving for the size of a market were

solving for the size of a market were solving for medicines that only help

solving for medicines that only help

solving for medicines that only help people and the world team is really

people and the world team is really

people and the world team is really committed by that mission but the thing

committed by that mission but the thing

committed by that mission but the thing I worry a lot about is what are the

I worry a lot about is what are the

I worry a lot about is what are the things that we don’t know because it’s a

things that we don’t know because it’s a

things that we don’t know because it’s a new technology nobody has done messenger

new technology nobody has done messenger

new technology nobody has done messenger RNA drugs before so you cannot take a

RNA drugs before so you cannot take a

RNA drugs before so you cannot take a book written by MIT you know how you do

book written by MIT you know how you do

book written by MIT you know how you do a messenger RNA drug or how do you build

a messenger RNA drug or how do you build

a messenger RNA drug or how do you build a messenger RNA company we are inventing

a messenger RNA company we are inventing

a messenger RNA company we are inventing it and a bit like we saw before with a

it and a bit like we saw before with a

it and a bit like we saw before with a mountain which is we’re trying to figure

mountain which is we’re trying to figure

mountain which is we’re trying to figure ways what could go wrong every time you

ways what could go wrong every time you

ways what could go wrong every time you decide to I go right or do I go left try

decide to I go right or do I go left try

decide to I go right or do I go left try to be thoughtful about it because if you

to be thoughtful about it because if you

to be thoughtful about it because if you knew everything it’s much easier to make

knew everything it’s much easier to make

knew everything it’s much easier to make a decision but not knowing is what make

a decision but not knowing is what make

a decision but not knowing is what make it very hard for us and what makes it

it very hard for us and what makes it

it very hard for us and what makes it very hard for the team because this is a

very hard for the team because this is a

very hard for the team because this is a company that has a lot of ambiguity so

company that has a lot of ambiguity so

company that has a lot of ambiguity so it’s all about judgment so this is a

it’s all about judgment so this is a

it’s all about judgment so this is a company that requires a lot of

company that requires a lot of

company that requires a lot of collaboration because none of us

collaboration because none of us

collaboration because none of us starting with a C or none of us knows it

starting with a C or none of us knows it

starting with a C or none of us knows it all and so we have to work together as

all and so we have to work together as

all and so we have to work together as teams to listen to which

teams to listen to which

teams to listen to which and try to figure out what is a power

and try to figure out what is a power

and try to figure out what is a power forward so we don’t fall from the

forward so we don’t fall from the

forward so we don’t fall from the mountain sure and you know you just

mountain sure and you know you just

mountain sure and you know you just mentioned 12 you know most companies

mentioned 12 you know most companies

mentioned 12 you know most companies would do one or two the people who gave

would do one or two the people who gave

would do one or two the people who gave you the 1.9 billion probably didn’t

you the 1.9 billion probably didn’t

you the 1.9 billion probably didn’t think you would be you know having so

think you would be you know having so

think you would be you know having so many so many experiments going on

many so many experiments going on

many so many experiments going on concurrently but that shows that the

concurrently but that shows that the

concurrently but that shows that the technology is creating these these new

technology is creating these these new

technology is creating these these new new ways of approaching it do you think

new ways of approaching it do you think

new ways of approaching it do you think there’ll be many copycats I know iRobot

there’ll be many copycats I know iRobot

there’ll be many copycats I know iRobot you know I asked you about Silicon

you know I asked you about Silicon

you know I asked you about Silicon Valley and a lot of people go there you

Valley and a lot of people go there you

Valley and a lot of people go there you know this is sort of the Silicon Valley

know this is sort of the Silicon Valley

know this is sort of the Silicon Valley for biotech do you think there’ll be a

for biotech do you think there’ll be a

for biotech do you think there’ll be a lot of copycats of what your company’s

lot of copycats of what your company’s

lot of copycats of what your company’s doing there seventy robot companies now

doing there seventy robot companies now

doing there seventy robot companies now in Boston do you think you’re kind of

in Boston do you think you’re kind of

in Boston do you think you’re kind of changing the vector of biotech by what

changing the vector of biotech by what

changing the vector of biotech by what you’re doing yeah so what is interesting

you’re doing yeah so what is interesting

you’re doing yeah so what is interesting is because most things in biotech have

is because most things in biotech have

is because most things in biotech have not worked

not worked

not worked if you look at the last 40 years you

if you look at the last 40 years you

if you look at the last 40 years you have two types of people some that still

have two types of people some that still

have two types of people some that still think this is crazy and most probably

think this is crazy and most probably

think this is crazy and most probably will not work so can’t wait to share

will not work so can’t wait to share

will not work so can’t wait to share with them the data in the new year

with them the data in the new year

with them the data in the new year because I have seen the data and the

because I have seen the data and the

because I have seen the data and the other side is trying to emulate us so

other side is trying to emulate us so

other side is trying to emulate us so you have small companies or some big

you have small companies or some big

you have small companies or some big companies trying the thing that I think

companies trying the thing that I think

companies trying the thing that I think makes us quite unique is how fast we are

makes us quite unique is how fast we are

makes us quite unique is how fast we are learning we realized maybe a year into

learning we realized maybe a year into

learning we realized maybe a year into the company that because nobody had done

the company that because nobody had done

the company that because nobody had done messenger RNA drugs that it was going to

messenger RNA drugs that it was going to

messenger RNA drugs that it was going to be a 20-year learning cycle if you look

be a 20-year learning cycle if you look

be a 20-year learning cycle if you look at any technology mine kind of stretched

at any technology mine kind of stretched

at any technology mine kind of stretched ever it’s around 20 years that it takes

ever it’s around 20 years that it takes

ever it’s around 20 years that it takes no steam engine semiconductor mobile

no steam engine semiconductor mobile

no steam engine semiconductor mobile phone pick your favorite technology it

phone pick your favorite technology it

phone pick your favorite technology it takes 20 years for us as a society to

takes 20 years for us as a society to

takes 20 years for us as a society to kind of maximize what this technology

kind of maximize what this technology

kind of maximize what this technology can do now modern is five years old I

can do now modern is five years old I

can do now modern is five years old I still think we are still on day one we

still think we are still on day one we

still think we are still on day one we are still learning so much

are still learning so much

are still learning so much most recently Steven ruins all of our

most recently Steven ruins all of our

most recently Steven ruins all of our science it’s all the board of directors

science it’s all the board of directors

science it’s all the board of directors we have learned know in the last four

we have learned know in the last four

we have learned know in the last four most then we learned in the last four

most then we learned in the last four

most then we learned in the last four years and that is true I can learn in

years and that is true I can learn in

years and that is true I can learn in company so my last question I know your

company so my last question I know your

company so my last question I know your your mom’s here and your two daughters

your mom’s here and your two daughters

your mom’s here and your two daughters are here where do you think this goes in

are here where do you think this goes in

are here where do you think this goes in ten years we think at TEDx Beacon Street

ten years we think at TEDx Beacon Street

ten years we think at TEDx Beacon Street intergenerationally and kind of thinking

intergenerationally and kind of thinking

intergenerationally and kind of thinking about community what’s the impact ten

about community what’s the impact ten

about community what’s the impact ten years out of

years out of

years out of the great work that your team’s doing so

the great work that your team’s doing so

the great work that your team’s doing so the goal I have for the company is to

the goal I have for the company is to

the goal I have for the company is to something that has never been ever done

something that has never been ever done

something that has never been ever done is in the next ten years I want 100

is in the next ten years I want 100

is in the next ten years I want 100 medicine to go to patients and some are

medicine to go to patients and some are

medicine to go to patients and some are gonna be for very small diseases some

gonna be for very small diseases some

gonna be for very small diseases some other need for very big diseases this

other need for very big diseases this

other need for very big diseases this model doesn’t work for the big pharma

model doesn’t work for the big pharma

model doesn’t work for the big pharma correct yeah that’s a big idea and we

correct yeah that’s a big idea and we

correct yeah that’s a big idea and we really just care about getting drugs

really just care about getting drugs

really just care about getting drugs that are going to impact families help

that are going to impact families help

that are going to impact families help people that’s how we define success and

people that’s how we define success and

people that’s how we define success and we want to make sure given the breadth

we want to make sure given the breadth

we want to make sure given the breadth of a platform that we don’t try to be

of a platform that we don’t try to be

of a platform that we don’t try to be naive of to be arrogant to try to do

naive of to be arrogant to try to do

naive of to be arrogant to try to do everything ourselves we’re working with

everything ourselves we’re working with

everything ourselves we’re working with partners new AstraZeneca vertex for you

partners new AstraZeneca vertex for you

partners new AstraZeneca vertex for you know cystic fibrosis the judo jujutsu

know cystic fibrosis the judo jujutsu

know cystic fibrosis the judo jujutsu correct we’re trying to figure out some

correct we’re trying to figure out some

correct we’re trying to figure out some of the drugs that make sense for us to

of the drugs that make sense for us to

of the drugs that make sense for us to do but some drugs makes more sense for

do but some drugs makes more sense for

do but some drugs makes more sense for us to partner because those other

us to partner because those other

us to partner because those other companies are the clinical research

companies are the clinical research

companies are the clinical research regulatory capabilities for that disease

regulatory capabilities for that disease

regulatory capabilities for that disease they will take us years to build and

they will take us years to build and

they will take us years to build and we’ll always have a chance to build it

we’ll always have a chance to build it

we’ll always have a chance to build it wrong but because we care so deeply

wrong but because we care so deeply

wrong but because we care so deeply about those drugs getting to patients we

about those drugs getting to patients we

about those drugs getting to patients we are just solving for that and so if

are just solving for that and so if

are just solving for that and so if somebody else is much better fitted and

somebody else is much better fitted and

somebody else is much better fitted and this would ever drive so thank you for

this would ever drive so thank you for

this would ever drive so thank you for not buying that island and retiring I

not buying that island and retiring I

not buying that island and retiring I love your line software of life and in

love your line software of life and in

love your line software of life and in two years clear schedule we want you

two years clear schedule we want you

two years clear schedule we want you back here to give us a next update lady

back here to give us a next update lady

back here to give us a next update lady interested and gentlemen the CEO of

interested and gentlemen the CEO of

interested and gentlemen the CEO of moderna

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