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[Applause] each and every one of you has the power

each and every one of you has the power

each and every one of you has the power to make an unimaginable impact on

to make an unimaginable impact on

to make an unimaginable impact on multiple lives with just a conversation

multiple lives with just a conversation

multiple lives with just a conversation my hero did and this is our story

my hero did and this is our story

my hero did and this is our story I’m going to tell you about the

I’m going to tell you about the

I’m going to tell you about the conversation that saved my life

conversation that saved my life

conversation that saved my life but I should probably first tell you why

but I should probably first tell you why

but I should probably first tell you why my life needed saving in the first place

my life needed saving in the first place

my life needed saving in the first place standing before you today I hope you

standing before you today I hope you

standing before you today I hope you agree I look pretty healthy there’s

agree I look pretty healthy there’s

agree I look pretty healthy there’s really no indication that I was ever

really no indication that I was ever

really no indication that I was ever desperately ill or indeed in need of a

desperately ill or indeed in need of a

desperately ill or indeed in need of a transplant but when I was born my

transplant but when I was born my

transplant but when I was born my parents and my doctors didn’t know if I

parents and my doctors didn’t know if I

parents and my doctors didn’t know if I was going to make it this far or if I’d

was going to make it this far or if I’d

was going to make it this far or if I’d live at all I was small I was

live at all I was small I was

live at all I was small I was desperately underweight and I had a blue

desperately underweight and I had a blue

desperately underweight and I had a blue tint to my skin which was an indication

tint to my skin which was an indication

tint to my skin which was an indication that something was likely wrong with my

that something was likely wrong with my

that something was likely wrong with my heart as it turns out I had multiple

heart as it turns out I had multiple

heart as it turns out I had multiple holes in my heart I had valves in the

holes in my heart I had valves in the

holes in my heart I had valves in the wrong place and I had an underdeveloped

wrong place and I had an underdeveloped

wrong place and I had an underdeveloped pulmonary artery which is an important

pulmonary artery which is an important

pulmonary artery which is an important piece of the plumbing things didn’t look

piece of the plumbing things didn’t look

piece of the plumbing things didn’t look good and my parents were told there was

good and my parents were told there was

good and my parents were told there was little hope whereas most newborn parents

little hope whereas most newborn parents

little hope whereas most newborn parents are showered with gifts of blankets and

are showered with gifts of blankets and

are showered with gifts of blankets and adorable baby outfits my parents

adorable baby outfits my parents

adorable baby outfits my parents received a lot of flowers for the first

received a lot of flowers for the first

received a lot of flowers for the first 10 days of my life I was so sick they

10 days of my life I was so sick they

10 days of my life I was so sick they weren’t allowed to hold me and when they

weren’t allowed to hold me and when they

weren’t allowed to hold me and when they held me at 10 days old it was because I

held me at 10 days old it was because I

held me at 10 days old it was because I was about to go into my first surgery

was about to go into my first surgery

was about to go into my first surgery and the doctors knew it might be my

and the doctors knew it might be my

and the doctors knew it might be my parents only chance obviously it wasn’t

parents only chance obviously it wasn’t

parents only chance obviously it wasn’t I I had a minor surgery at 10 days old

I I had a minor surgery at 10 days old

I I had a minor surgery at 10 days old and another minor surgery at 10 months

and another minor surgery at 10 months

and another minor surgery at 10 months but these were all temporary solutions

but these were all temporary solutions

but these were all temporary solutions in the long term I was going to need

in the long term I was going to need

in the long term I was going to need major corrective surgery so when I was

major corrective surgery so when I was

major corrective surgery so when I was four years old I underwent open-heart

four years old I underwent open-heart

four years old I underwent open-heart surgery and my heart was essentially

surgery and my heart was essentially

surgery and my heart was essentially reconstructed during that operation I

reconstructed during that operation I

reconstructed during that operation I received a very precious gift a donor

received a very precious gift a donor

received a very precious gift a donor pulmonary artery a chart valve

pulmonary artery a chart valve

pulmonary artery a chart valve transplant the donated tissue that would

transplant the donated tissue that would

transplant the donated tissue that would make that surgery and all of my

make that surgery and all of my

make that surgery and all of my subsequent years a success from that

subsequent years a success from that

subsequent years a success from that moment forward I was able to grow and

moment forward I was able to grow and

moment forward I was able to grow and thrive I attended school I got good

thrive I attended school I got good

thrive I attended school I got good grades I played sports though never very

grades I played sports though never very

grades I played sports though never very well but that wasn’t because of my heart

well but that wasn’t because of my heart

well but that wasn’t because of my heart I also participated in drama in student

I also participated in drama in student

I also participated in drama in student government in speaking events I was a

government in speaking events I was a

government in speaking events I was a normal lb it’s geeky kid it was a while

normal lb it’s geeky kid it was a while

normal lb it’s geeky kid it was a while however before I was old enough to

however before I was old enough to

however before I was old enough to really understand what I had been

really understand what I had been

really understand what I had been through and more importantly what I had

through and more importantly what I had

through and more importantly what I had received so growing up I heard my

received so growing up I heard my

received so growing up I heard my parents tell my story and I eventually

parents tell my story and I eventually

parents tell my story and I eventually got old enough to understand what had

got old enough to understand what had

got old enough to understand what had been wrong with my heart how it had been

been wrong with my heart how it had been

been wrong with my heart how it had been fixed and the fact that my future will

fixed and the fact that my future will

fixed and the fact that my future will likely involve another surgery but

likely involve another surgery but

likely involve another surgery but growing up the focus was always on my

growing up the focus was always on my

growing up the focus was always on my heart health in general and I didn’t

heart health in general and I didn’t

heart health in general and I didn’t really realize I’d received a transplant

really realize I’d received a transplant

really realize I’d received a transplant until my speech coach encouraged me to

until my speech coach encouraged me to

until my speech coach encouraged me to do a talk on organ and tissue donation

do a talk on organ and tissue donation

do a talk on organ and tissue donation and I started advocating for organ eye

and I started advocating for organ eye

and I started advocating for organ eye and tissue donation and when I did

and tissue donation and when I did

and tissue donation and when I did people started asking me about my donor

people started asking me about my donor

people started asking me about my donor who they were what I knew about them and

who they were what I knew about them and

who they were what I knew about them and back then I had to tell people I know

back then I had to tell people I know

back then I had to tell people I know nothing my parents and I we we didn’t

nothing my parents and I we we didn’t

nothing my parents and I we we didn’t know anything about my donor or my donor

know anything about my donor or my donor

know anything about my donor or my donor family and I would tell people I don’t

family and I would tell people I don’t

family and I would tell people I don’t know my doing

know my doing

know my doing name or age or gender I don’t know their

name or age or gender I don’t know their

name or age or gender I don’t know their occupation where they lived or what

occupation where they lived or what

occupation where they lived or what their hobbies were I felt like I knew

their hobbies were I felt like I knew

their hobbies were I felt like I knew nothing and yet I did know something

nothing and yet I did know something

nothing and yet I did know something when I eventually started telling people

when I eventually started telling people

when I eventually started telling people was this all I know

was this all I know

was this all I know is it my donor have a strong loving

is it my donor have a strong loving

is it my donor have a strong loving heart

heart

heart they must have because my donor decided

they must have because my donor decided

they must have because my donor decided to give a complete stranger the most

to give a complete stranger the most

to give a complete stranger the most precious gift of all life and I also

precious gift of all life and I also

precious gift of all life and I also knew that my donor must have had a

knew that my donor must have had a

knew that my donor must have had a loving family who in their darkest

loving family who in their darkest

loving family who in their darkest moment thought of others and gave my

moment thought of others and gave my

moment thought of others and gave my family hope when they were scared and

family hope when they were scared and

family hope when they were scared and uncertain these were my first

uncertain these were my first

uncertain these were my first reflections on my donor and donor family

reflections on my donor and donor family

reflections on my donor and donor family more than 10 years ago now and at that

more than 10 years ago now and at that

more than 10 years ago now and at that time I honestly thought I would never

time I honestly thought I would never

time I honestly thought I would never know anything about my donor or my donor

know anything about my donor or my donor

know anything about my donor or my donor family I didn’t think I could and I

family I didn’t think I could and I

family I didn’t think I could and I didn’t think I’d ever learn about the

didn’t think I’d ever learn about the

didn’t think I’d ever learn about the conversation that saved my life but

conversation that saved my life but

conversation that saved my life but somewhere along the way I found out it

somewhere along the way I found out it

somewhere along the way I found out it was possible for a transplant recipient

was possible for a transplant recipient

was possible for a transplant recipient and the donor family to correspond

and the donor family to correspond

and the donor family to correspond through the proper channels and even on

through the proper channels and even on

through the proper channels and even on a rare occasion to meet now when I first

a rare occasion to meet now when I first

a rare occasion to meet now when I first learned that I was so emotional I

learned that I was so emotional I

learned that I was so emotional I couldn’t even I couldn’t even think

couldn’t even I couldn’t even think

couldn’t even I couldn’t even think about it it took me years to build up

about it it took me years to build up

about it it took me years to build up the strength to even consider writing a

the strength to even consider writing a

the strength to even consider writing a letter to my donor family and then it

letter to my donor family and then it

letter to my donor family and then it took me several years to figure out how

took me several years to figure out how

took me several years to figure out how I go about doing that but over that time

I go about doing that but over that time

I go about doing that but over that time I had a growing desire to say thank you

I had a growing desire to say thank you

I had a growing desire to say thank you I just wanted my donor family to know

I just wanted my donor family to know

I just wanted my donor family to know that I was out there that I was thinking

that I was out there that I was thinking

that I was out there that I was thinking of them and that I was grateful and I

of them and that I was grateful and I

of them and that I was grateful and I wanted them to know how much their loved

wanted them to know how much their loved

wanted them to know how much their loved one was loved by me

one was loved by me

one was loved by me so eventually I found my way to cryo

so eventually I found my way to cryo

so eventually I found my way to cryo life the tissue processor that had

life the tissue processor that had

life the tissue processor that had prepared my heart valve for transplant

prepared my heart valve for transplant

prepared my heart valve for transplant and they told me some good news

and they told me some good news

and they told me some good news they said yes we can find your donor

they said yes we can find your donor

they said yes we can find your donor family and they invited me to write a

family and they invited me to write a

family and they invited me to write a letter and send it through their

letter and send it through their

letter and send it through their organization now / privacy laws

organization now / privacy laws

organization now / privacy laws information on both sides is kept

information on both sides is kept

information on both sides is kept confidential

confidential

confidential but the details I was permitted to know

but the details I was permitted to know

but the details I was permitted to know immediately about my donor included my

immediately about my donor included my

immediately about my donor included my donors age and gender and it was

donors age and gender and it was

donors age and gender and it was shocking to be told your donor was eight

shocking to be told your donor was eight

shocking to be told your donor was eight years old when he died

I spent weeks trying to process that

I spent weeks trying to process that information despite the fact that I’d

information despite the fact that I’d

information despite the fact that I’d been four when I received the transplant

been four when I received the transplant

been four when I received the transplant I had never imagined my donor as a child

and the thought of writing a letter how

and the thought of writing a letter how do you write addressing parents who have

do you write addressing parents who have

do you write addressing parents who have lost a child but I still had that desire

lost a child but I still had that desire

lost a child but I still had that desire just to say thank you so I decided to

just to say thank you so I decided to

just to say thank you so I decided to open myself up to the journey and I

open myself up to the journey and I

open myself up to the journey and I prayed that this little boy’s family

prayed that this little boy’s family

prayed that this little boy’s family would be okay hearing from me after such

would be okay hearing from me after such

would be okay hearing from me after such a long time so one evening I sat down in

a long time so one evening I sat down in

a long time so one evening I sat down in my kitchen table and I cried a lot and I

my kitchen table and I cried a lot and I

my kitchen table and I cried a lot and I wrote from the heart hello it’s hard to

wrote from the heart hello it’s hard to

wrote from the heart hello it’s hard to know where to begin

know where to begin

know where to begin I thought about writing this letter for

I thought about writing this letter for

I thought about writing this letter for a long time but it’s still hard to find

a long time but it’s still hard to find

a long time but it’s still hard to find the words I want to start by saying I am

the words I want to start by saying I am

the words I want to start by saying I am so sorry for your loss I can never

so sorry for your loss I can never

so sorry for your loss I can never imagine the pain you have felt when I

imagine the pain you have felt when I

imagine the pain you have felt when I learned a few weeks ago that my donor my

learned a few weeks ago that my donor my

learned a few weeks ago that my donor my hero was only eight years old when he

hero was only eight years old when he

hero was only eight years old when he died I didn’t know how to process that

died I didn’t know how to process that

died I didn’t know how to process that for some reason I’d always imagined my

for some reason I’d always imagined my

for some reason I’d always imagined my donor was older had gotten to live more

donor was older had gotten to live more

donor was older had gotten to live more life than that I am so sorry and I also

life than that I am so sorry and I also

life than that I am so sorry and I also want to say thank you for the decision

want to say thank you for the decision

want to say thank you for the decision you made in that trying time in your

you made in that trying time in your

you made in that trying time in your darkest moment you selflessly thought of

darkest moment you selflessly thought of

darkest moment you selflessly thought of others and that is why I am Alive today

others and that is why I am Alive today

others and that is why I am Alive today it’s hard to fathom that strength and

it’s hard to fathom that strength and

it’s hard to fathom that strength and compassion and love I am the grateful

compassion and love I am the grateful

compassion and love I am the grateful recipient of a donor heart fell from

recipient of a donor heart fell from

recipient of a donor heart fell from your son he is the most in

your son he is the most in

your son he is the most in flew intial person in my life my angel

flew intial person in my life my angel

flew intial person in my life my angel and my hero

and my hero

and my hero I filled several pages in that first

I filled several pages in that first

I filled several pages in that first letter and then I sent it off along with

letter and then I sent it off along with

letter and then I sent it off along with photos from throughout my life and I was

photos from throughout my life and I was

photos from throughout my life and I was happy I felt very content that no matter

happy I felt very content that no matter

happy I felt very content that no matter what happened

what happened

what happened even if my donor family wasn’t

even if my donor family wasn’t

even if my donor family wasn’t comfortable writing back even if I never

comfortable writing back even if I never

comfortable writing back even if I never learned anything about my donor at least

learned anything about my donor at least

learned anything about my donor at least they knew that I was out there thinking

they knew that I was out there thinking

they knew that I was out there thinking of them a few weeks later I received

of them a few weeks later I received

of them a few weeks later I received this response and I finally met my hero

this response and I finally met my hero

this response and I finally met my hero my life was saved before I was even born

my life was saved before I was even born

my life was saved before I was even born by Philip John PJ wolf the third and if

by Philip John PJ wolf the third and if

by Philip John PJ wolf the third and if that isn’t the name of an epic hero I

that isn’t the name of an epic hero I

that isn’t the name of an epic hero I don’t know what is

don’t know what is

don’t know what is PJ is amazing he was a blond-haired

PJ is amazing he was a blond-haired

PJ is amazing he was a blond-haired blue-eyed fierce little boy he had the

blue-eyed fierce little boy he had the

blue-eyed fierce little boy he had the spirit of an adventurer and his soul

spirit of an adventurer and his soul

spirit of an adventurer and his soul mates was Indiana Jones I can tell he

mates was Indiana Jones I can tell he

mates was Indiana Jones I can tell he loved his family very much though I’ve

loved his family very much though I’ve

loved his family very much though I’ve been told some stories of him getting on

been told some stories of him getting on

been told some stories of him getting on the nerves of his three older sisters

the nerves of his three older sisters

the nerves of his three older sisters apparently he was a little mischievous

apparently he was a little mischievous

apparently he was a little mischievous at times and his favorite places were

at times and his favorite places were

at times and his favorite places were the school library and the playground

the school library and the playground

the school library and the playground and he had a strong loving heart in this

and he had a strong loving heart in this

and he had a strong loving heart in this leather I learned the first bits of

leather I learned the first bits of

leather I learned the first bits of information about PJ and I also learned

information about PJ and I also learned

information about PJ and I also learned about the conversation that it saved my

about the conversation that it saved my

about the conversation that it saved my life see apparently there had been a

life see apparently there had been a

life see apparently there had been a story on the news about someone who

story on the news about someone who

story on the news about someone who needed a transplant and that started a

needed a transplant and that started a

needed a transplant and that started a family conversation the wolf sat down

family conversation the wolf sat down

family conversation the wolf sat down and talked about what his organ donation

and talked about what his organ donation

and talked about what his organ donation about the need for both adults and

about the need for both adults and

about the need for both adults and children

children

children and how would war

and how would war

and how would war jerks and they also talked about living

jerks and they also talked about living

jerks and they also talked about living kidney donation the fact that you have

kidney donation the fact that you have

kidney donation the fact that you have two kidneys and you can donate one and

two kidneys and you can donate one and

two kidneys and you can donate one and live a perfectly healthy life they had

live a perfectly healthy life they had

live a perfectly healthy life they had the family conversation and PJ’s mom

the family conversation and PJ’s mom

the family conversation and PJ’s mom said she she went back into the kitchen

said she she went back into the kitchen

said she she went back into the kitchen finished preparing dinner she didn’t

finished preparing dinner she didn’t

finished preparing dinner she didn’t think any more of it then about 20

think any more of it then about 20

think any more of it then about 20 minutes later PJ came into the kitchen

minutes later PJ came into the kitchen

minutes later PJ came into the kitchen and he asked me if it hurt to donate I

and he asked me if it hurt to donate I

and he asked me if it hurt to donate I said yes but only for a while and the

said yes but only for a while and the

said yes but only for a while and the reward was the other person got to live

reward was the other person got to live

reward was the other person got to live he looked at me and said he had thought

he looked at me and said he had thought

he looked at me and said he had thought about it and it would be okay he wanted

about it and it would be okay he wanted

about it and it would be okay he wanted to donate a kidney because he would

to donate a kidney because he would

to donate a kidney because he would still have one lift he said I only need

still have one lift he said I only need

still have one lift he said I only need one mom that was it in case you missed

one mom that was it in case you missed

one mom that was it in case you missed it that was the moment that sent my life

it that was the moment that sent my life

it that was the moment that sent my life in a completely different direction that

in a completely different direction that

in a completely different direction that was the conversation that saved my life

was the conversation that saved my life

was the conversation that saved my life PJ’s mom said she was so shocked at his

PJ’s mom said she was so shocked at his

PJ’s mom said she was so shocked at his sincerity of wanting to donate a kidney

sincerity of wanting to donate a kidney

sincerity of wanting to donate a kidney it took her a minute and then she had to

it took her a minute and then she had to

it took her a minute and then she had to tell PJ who was only five or six at the

tell PJ who was only five or six at the

tell PJ who was only five or six at the time that he wasn’t old enough but when

time that he wasn’t old enough but when

time that he wasn’t old enough but when he got older if he still wanted to of

he got older if he still wanted to of

he got older if he still wanted to of course he could donate they moved on

course he could donate they moved on

course he could donate they moved on from the conversation and on with life

from the conversation and on with life

from the conversation and on with life and there is a part of me that wishes

and there is a part of me that wishes

and there is a part of me that wishes his mother never had to recall having

his mother never had to recall having

his mother never had to recall having had that conversation but PJ was struck

had that conversation but PJ was struck

had that conversation but PJ was struck by a car and passed away at eight and a

by a car and passed away at eight and a

by a car and passed away at eight and a half years old when nothing else could

half years old when nothing else could

half years old when nothing else could be done for him in the hospital his

be done for him in the hospital his

be done for him in the hospital his family knew what he wanted he told them

my first finished reading this leather

my first finished reading this leather and my crying settle down a bit I just

and my crying settle down a bit I just

and my crying settle down a bit I just stared at the photos I’ve been sent and

stared at the photos I’ve been sent and

stared at the photos I’ve been sent and and I repeated his name over and over I

and I repeated his name over and over I

and I repeated his name over and over I was so happy to finally know who he was

was so happy to finally know who he was

was so happy to finally know who he was and I was amazed at what he had done

and I was amazed at what he had done

and I was amazed at what he had done that my donor who was only a child the

that my donor who was only a child the

that my donor who was only a child the decision to save my life it had been his

decision to save my life it had been his

decision to save my life it had been his and at that point I didn’t think the

and at that point I didn’t think the

and at that point I didn’t think the journey could get any more emotional

journey could get any more emotional

journey could get any more emotional because it’s really quite rare for

because it’s really quite rare for

because it’s really quite rare for recipients and donor families to

recipients and donor families to

recipients and donor families to correspond like this and it’s even rarer

correspond like this and it’s even rarer

correspond like this and it’s even rarer when so much time has passed and in the

when so much time has passed and in the

when so much time has passed and in the case of tissue donation but it’s even

case of tissue donation but it’s even

case of tissue donation but it’s even rarer for the two sides to meet but six

rarer for the two sides to meet but six

rarer for the two sides to meet but six months ago

months ago

months ago 25 years after PJ passed away I ran into

25 years after PJ passed away I ran into

25 years after PJ passed away I ran into his family’s arms our two families rang

his family’s arms our two families rang

his family’s arms our two families rang in the new year together celebrating

in the new year together celebrating

in the new year together celebrating life honoring PJ and rejoicing in the

life honoring PJ and rejoicing in the

life honoring PJ and rejoicing in the company of what we now call extended

company of what we now call extended

company of what we now call extended family in spending time with PJ’s family

family in spending time with PJ’s family

family in spending time with PJ’s family that weekend who were so generous in

that weekend who were so generous in

that weekend who were so generous in sharing precious photos and memories PJ

sharing precious photos and memories PJ

sharing precious photos and memories PJ came to life for me in a way that I will

came to life for me in a way that I will

came to life for me in a way that I will always treasure it’s been a very

always treasure it’s been a very

always treasure it’s been a very emotional turn easy kept at this point

emotional turn easy kept at this point

emotional turn easy kept at this point but the point is what started at all the

but the point is what started at all the

but the point is what started at all the most momentous inflection point in my

most momentous inflection point in my

most momentous inflection point in my life took place before I was born

life took place before I was born

life took place before I was born when PJ told his mom he liked the idea

when PJ told his mom he liked the idea

when PJ told his mom he liked the idea of donation and he wanted to donate a

of donation and he wanted to donate a

of donation and he wanted to donate a kidney

kidney

kidney you see donation doesn’t happen because

you see donation doesn’t happen because

you see donation doesn’t happen because someone dies

someone dies

someone dies organ and tissue donation really happens

organ and tissue donation really happens

organ and tissue donation really happens because someone has the courage to have

because someone has the courage to have

because someone has the courage to have that conversation because it’s discussed

that conversation because it’s discussed

that conversation because it’s discussed and often that leads to a decision a

and often that leads to a decision a

and often that leads to a decision a life-saving decision and one of the

life-saving decision and one of the

life-saving decision and one of the reasons I share our story so openly even

reasons I share our story so openly even

reasons I share our story so openly even though it’s still very raw and emotional

though it’s still very raw and emotional

though it’s still very raw and emotional is because these conversations don’t

is because these conversations don’t

is because these conversations don’t tend to happen enough and I understand I

tend to happen enough and I understand I

tend to happen enough and I understand I mean you can see the joy and our two

mean you can see the joy and our two

mean you can see the joy and our two families as we’ve United but the reality

families as we’ve United but the reality

families as we’ve United but the reality is it’s not an easy conversation to have

is it’s not an easy conversation to have

is it’s not an easy conversation to have and I recognize that we don’t like to

and I recognize that we don’t like to

and I recognize that we don’t like to think about our own mortality and

think about our own mortality and

think about our own mortality and oftentimes we we don’t get the answers

oftentimes we we don’t get the answers

oftentimes we we don’t get the answers to a question or or or find out more

to a question or or or find out more

to a question or or or find out more information there’s a taboo around the

information there’s a taboo around the

information there’s a taboo around the subject and so I understand that it’s

subject and so I understand that it’s

subject and so I understand that it’s not always the easiest conversation to

not always the easiest conversation to

not always the easiest conversation to have but it’s also incredible that we

have but it’s also incredible that we

have but it’s also incredible that we have the opportunity to make these

have the opportunity to make these

have the opportunity to make these decisions in advance long before we pass

decisions in advance long before we pass

decisions in advance long before we pass away we can decide what our last act

away we can decide what our last act

away we can decide what our last act will be on this earth and it’s also

will be on this earth and it’s also

will be on this earth and it’s also incredible the impact these

incredible the impact these

incredible the impact these conversations and decisions can have on

conversations and decisions can have on

conversations and decisions can have on the thousands of people who are waiting

the thousands of people who are waiting

the thousands of people who are waiting dying for a second chance at life

dying for a second chance at life

dying for a second chance at life but if lives like mine are going to be

but if lives like mine are going to be

but if lives like mine are going to be saved we have to just talk about it

saved we have to just talk about it

saved we have to just talk about it so today commit to converse that is my

so today commit to converse that is my

so today commit to converse that is my request of you talk to your family talk

request of you talk to your family talk

request of you talk to your family talk to your friends talk to your housemates

to your friends talk to your housemates

to your friends talk to your housemates talk to the person sitting next to you

talk to the person sitting next to you

talk to the person sitting next to you but let’s talk about organ eye and

but let’s talk about organ eye and

but let’s talk about organ eye and tissue donation well over 25 years ago

tissue donation well over 25 years ago

tissue donation well over 25 years ago the wolfes talked about it and then PJ

the wolfes talked about it and then PJ

the wolfes talked about it and then PJ talked about it further with his mom and

talked about it further with his mom and

talked about it further with his mom and it saved my

it saved my

it saved my life so my question to you all is will

life so my question to you all is will

life so my question to you all is will you commit to doing the same Thank You

you commit to doing the same Thank You

you commit to doing the same Thank You PJ

you

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