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The therapeutic value of the overview effect and virtual reality | Annahita Nezami | TEDxEastEnd


there’s a story about a teruki and he’s

there’s a story about a teruki and he’s teaching his grandson about life one day

teaching his grandson about life one day

teaching his grandson about life one day and he says to him listen son there’s a

and he says to him listen son there’s a

and he says to him listen son there’s a fierce fight going on inside of me and

fierce fight going on inside of me and

fierce fight going on inside of me and it’s between two wolves one of these

it’s between two wolves one of these

it’s between two wolves one of these wolves represents evil he is arrogance

wolves represents evil he is arrogance

wolves represents evil he is arrogance jealousy greed and the other wolf is

jealousy greed and the other wolf is

jealousy greed and the other wolf is good and he represents love compassion

good and he represents love compassion

good and he represents love compassion hope and humility and the grandson

hope and humility and the grandson

hope and humility and the grandson thinks about this for a moment and says

thinks about this for a moment and says

thinks about this for a moment and says well which one’s gonna win and the old

well which one’s gonna win and the old

well which one’s gonna win and the old chief simply replies the one you feed

chief simply replies the one you feed

chief simply replies the one you feed the most now there are plenty of

the most now there are plenty of

the most now there are plenty of fictional characters throughout history

fictional characters throughout history

fictional characters throughout history that depict the darker side of human

that depict the darker side of human

that depict the darker side of human nature we can all think of one right we

nature we can all think of one right we

nature we can all think of one right we have for example Jafar

have for example Jafar

have for example Jafar [Laughter]

[Laughter]

[Laughter] we have Jafar now Jafar is basically a

we have Jafar now Jafar is basically a

we have Jafar now Jafar is basically a psychopath there’s no denying that I

psychopath there’s no denying that I

psychopath there’s no denying that I think he’s slightly Nasus slightly

think he’s slightly Nasus slightly

think he’s slightly Nasus slightly narcissistic to a good mix he’s cold

narcissistic to a good mix he’s cold

narcissistic to a good mix he’s cold he’s calculating he’s got no problems

he’s calculating he’s got no problems

he’s calculating he’s got no problems you know lying cheating stealing

you know lying cheating stealing

you know lying cheating stealing kidnapping or even killing and that’s if

kidnapping or even killing and that’s if

kidnapping or even killing and that’s if you catch him on a good day and then we

you catch him on a good day and then we

you catch him on a good day and then we have the famous Darth Vader I have a

have the famous Darth Vader I have a

have the famous Darth Vader I have a young girl we watch not Darth Vader but

young girl we watch not Darth Vader but

young girl we watch not Darth Vader but Aladdin together a lot now we have Darth

Aladdin together a lot now we have Darth

Aladdin together a lot now we have Darth Vader now Darth Vader is neurotic and he

Vader now Darth Vader is neurotic and he

Vader now Darth Vader is neurotic and he experiences bouts of uncontrollable

experiences bouts of uncontrollable

experiences bouts of uncontrollable anger as well as deep inner turmoil and

anger as well as deep inner turmoil and

anger as well as deep inner turmoil and I think he’s just a great example of how

I think he’s just a great example of how

I think he’s just a great example of how we can be pulled in and seduced by the

we can be pulled in and seduced by the

we can be pulled in and seduced by the dark side

dark side

dark side now the point that I’m trying to make is

now the point that I’m trying to make is

now the point that I’m trying to make is that the dark side isn’t just a

that the dark side isn’t just a

that the dark side isn’t just a fictional creation that exists in our

fictional creation that exists in our

fictional creation that exists in our stories and in our films and as the

stories and in our films and as the

stories and in our films and as the story of the wolf warns us the dark side

story of the wolf warns us the dark side

story of the wolf warns us the dark side lurks in all of us and the more we feed

lurks in all of us and the more we feed

lurks in all of us and the more we feed our insecurities the more it flourishes

our insecurities the more it flourishes

our insecurities the more it flourishes and the more it grows now the dark sides

and the more it grows now the dark sides

and the more it grows now the dark sides easy to see in some people because

easy to see in some people because

easy to see in some people because they’re outwardly abrasive or aggressive

they’re outwardly abrasive or aggressive

they’re outwardly abrasive or aggressive and these people are the stereotypical

and these people are the stereotypical

and these people are the stereotypical monsters within our society they are the

monsters within our society they are the

monsters within our society they are the people we kind of tend to stay away from

people we kind of tend to stay away from

people we kind of tend to stay away from we might be a bit scared of right yet

we might be a bit scared of right yet

we might be a bit scared of right yet there is also another group of people

there is also another group of people

there is also another group of people within society who’s perhaps abrasive

within society who’s perhaps abrasive

within society who’s perhaps abrasive and aggressive tendencies manifest in

and aggressive tendencies manifest in

and aggressive tendencies manifest in more covert ways they’re a bit more

more covert ways they’re a bit more

more covert ways they’re a bit more hidden but they still exist and these

hidden but they still exist and these

hidden but they still exist and these people tend to integrate into society

people tend to integrate into society

people tend to integrate into society and they might be in a position of power

and they might be in a position of power

and they might be in a position of power they’re quite perhaps manipulative the

they’re quite perhaps manipulative the

they’re quite perhaps manipulative the the problems that they create and the

the problems that they create and the

the problems that they create and the suffering that they caused can be very

suffering that they caused can be very

suffering that they caused can be very destructive now the dark the thing is I

destructive now the dark the thing is I

destructive now the dark the thing is I have a confession to make I’m really

have a confession to make I’m really

have a confession to make I’m really kind of into dysfunctional patterns and

kind of into dysfunctional patterns and

kind of into dysfunctional patterns and functional patterns I kind of like

functional patterns I kind of like

functional patterns I kind of like looking out for them and I think I found

looking out for them and I think I found

looking out for them and I think I found one here you see the problem is that

one here you see the problem is that

one here you see the problem is that when we place core values of survival of

when we place core values of survival of

when we place core values of survival of the fittest individualism and

the fittest individualism and

the fittest individualism and materialism over and beyond other values

materialism over and beyond other values

materialism over and beyond other values that Centre on connection and empathy

that Centre on connection and empathy

that Centre on connection and empathy what we are doing is we are encouraging

what we are doing is we are encouraging

what we are doing is we are encouraging the darker sides of human nature and so

the darker sides of human nature and so

the darker sides of human nature and so what then we are doing is creating an

what then we are doing is creating an

what then we are doing is creating an environment or a climate where we create

environment or a climate where we create

environment or a climate where we create perpetrators and we create victims and

perpetrators and we create victims and

perpetrators and we create victims and those that survive the system right

those that survive the system right

those that survive the system right I hope you like my diagram that’s

I hope you like my diagram that’s

I hope you like my diagram that’s homemade okay so yeah so then what

homemade okay so yeah so then what

homemade okay so yeah so then what happens is the disadvantaged within

happens is the disadvantaged within

happens is the disadvantaged within society tend to respond right they react

society tend to respond right they react

society tend to respond right they react all those that don’t quite fit in with

all those that don’t quite fit in with

all those that don’t quite fit in with this value system all those that can’t

this value system all those that can’t

this value system all those that can’t quite survive with this value system but

quite survive with this value system but

quite survive with this value system but then what do we go and do when they

then what do we go and do when they

then what do we go and do when they respond or they react well we

respond or they react well we

respond or they react well we incarcerate we medicate or we segregate

incarcerate we medicate or we segregate

incarcerate we medicate or we segregate but that’s always going to be a

but that’s always going to be a

but that’s always going to be a short-term solution because we’re not

short-term solution because we’re not

short-term solution because we’re not addressing the underlying problems of

addressing the underlying problems of

addressing the underlying problems of why this happens in the first place

why this happens in the first place

why this happens in the first place now the thing is we have to realize that

now the thing is we have to realize that

now the thing is we have to realize that individual psychological treatment is it

individual psychological treatment is it

individual psychological treatment is it also going to be much help in this

also going to be much help in this

also going to be much help in this scenario because it’s a bigger situation

scenario because it’s a bigger situation

scenario because it’s a bigger situation and so we really need to think of ways

and so we really need to think of ways

and so we really need to think of ways we can improve the psychological and

we can improve the psychological and

we can improve the psychological and social well-being of entire societies

social well-being of entire societies

social well-being of entire societies now I’m kind of becoming quite

now I’m kind of becoming quite

now I’m kind of becoming quite self-conscious that I’m sounding really

self-conscious that I’m sounding really

self-conscious that I’m sounding really like a pessimistic psychologist to you

like a pessimistic psychologist to you

like a pessimistic psychologist to you all someone glass half empty and that’s

all someone glass half empty and that’s

all someone glass half empty and that’s never a good look for a psycho it’s but

never a good look for a psycho it’s but

never a good look for a psycho it’s but I want to reassure you that you know I

I want to reassure you that you know I

I want to reassure you that you know I can see we’ve come a long way in the

can see we’ve come a long way in the

can see we’ve come a long way in the past century

past century

past century I’m not saying everything is bad there

I’m not saying everything is bad there

I’m not saying everything is bad there has been lots of developments and life

has been lots of developments and life

has been lots of developments and life on Earth has really improved for many

on Earth has really improved for many

on Earth has really improved for many people in many ways but I think even

people in many ways but I think even

people in many ways but I think even though the dark side of human nature

though the dark side of human nature

though the dark side of human nature represents just a fraction of the human

represents just a fraction of the human

represents just a fraction of the human story the thing is it still demands our

story the thing is it still demands our

story the thing is it still demands our attention because ultimately I believe

attention because ultimately I believe

attention because ultimately I believe it’s a threat that is slowly destroying

it’s a threat that is slowly destroying

it’s a threat that is slowly destroying us from within

so for my doctoral research I thought

so for my doctoral research I thought yeah I want to go and try and address

yeah I want to go and try and address

yeah I want to go and try and address this dysfunctional pattern I want to

this dysfunctional pattern I want to

this dysfunctional pattern I want to offer some solutions to this pattern and

offer some solutions to this pattern and

offer some solutions to this pattern and it was a bit of a tall order but I kind

it was a bit of a tall order but I kind

it was a bit of a tall order but I kind of you know when for all of the students

of you know when for all of the students

of you know when for all of the students out there when you start something you

out there when you start something you

out there when you start something you think it’s great and then you go forth

think it’s great and then you go forth

think it’s great and then you go forth anything this is big this is big but

anything this is big this is big but

anything this is big this is big but anyway I started so I went you know

anyway I started so I went you know

anyway I started so I went you know forward with it and the place I started

forward with it and the place I started

forward with it and the place I started with was with connection and ultimately

with was with connection and ultimately

with was with connection and ultimately you know meaningful connections with

you know meaningful connections with

you know meaningful connections with each other is what makes our life

each other is what makes our life

each other is what makes our life worthwhile it improves the quality of

worthwhile it improves the quality of

worthwhile it improves the quality of our life and so I ask myself how can I

our life and so I ask myself how can I

our life and so I ask myself how can I help people connect not just with each

help people connect not just with each

help people connect not just with each other but also with the world around

other but also with the world around

other but also with the world around them so I’ve always been fascinated with

them so I’ve always been fascinated with

them so I’ve always been fascinated with the highest states of consciousness as

the highest states of consciousness as

the highest states of consciousness as well as ideas around you know

well as ideas around you know

well as ideas around you know psychological growth as I’m sure all of

psychological growth as I’m sure all of

psychological growth as I’m sure all of you are and one day when I was in my

you are and one day when I was in my

you are and one day when I was in my dark student room with a big pink

dark student room with a big pink

dark student room with a big pink highlighter pen highlighting absolutely

highlighter pen highlighting absolutely

highlighter pen highlighting absolutely everything no bra Ron had brushed my

everything no bra Ron had brushed my

everything no bra Ron had brushed my teeth for a year I I basically came

teeth for a year I I basically came

teeth for a year I I basically came across the concept of the overview

across the concept of the overview

across the concept of the overview effect now the overview effect is all

effect now the overview effect is all

effect now the overview effect is all inducing experience of seeing firsthand

inducing experience of seeing firsthand

inducing experience of seeing firsthand planet Earth from space and many space

planet Earth from space and many space

planet Earth from space and many space travelers report that national

travelers report that national

travelers report that national boundaries vanish and the conflicts that

boundaries vanish and the conflicts that

boundaries vanish and the conflicts that divide us become much less important

divide us become much less important

divide us become much less important they experience a normal almost

they experience a normal almost

they experience a normal almost immediate realization that we live on

immediate realization that we live on

immediate realization that we live on this fragile Oasis called planet Earth

this fragile Oasis called planet Earth

this fragile Oasis called planet Earth and that we are all part of this much

and that we are all part of this much

and that we are all part of this much larger interconnected system they come

larger interconnected system they come

larger interconnected system they come back or many of them come back from this

back or many of them come back from this

back or many of them come back from this experience with either a renewed sense

experience with either a renewed sense

experience with either a renewed sense of purpose to protect this pale blue dot

of purpose to protect this pale blue dot

of purpose to protect this pale blue dot that we live in live on and as well as

that we live in live on and as well as

that we live in live on and as well as or a new sense of purpose for some of

or a new sense of purpose for some of

or a new sense of purpose for some of them

now my doctoral research took five very

now my doctoral research took five very long years I aged quite substantially as

long years I aged quite substantially as

long years I aged quite substantially as a result there were ups there were downs

a result there were ups there were downs

a result there were ups there were downs lots of breakdown but actually what

lots of breakdown but actually what

lots of breakdown but actually what happened was at the end of the research

happened was at the end of the research

happened was at the end of the research what and after sort of I’d recovered

what and after sort of I’d recovered

what and after sort of I’d recovered what I realized was that the topic and

what I realized was that the topic and

what I realized was that the topic and the process had fundamentally changed me

the process had fundamentally changed me

the process had fundamentally changed me and the way that I connect with the

and the way that I connect with the

and the way that I connect with the world that I live in and really today I

world that I live in and really today I

world that I live in and really today I want to share with you just a little bit

want to share with you just a little bit

want to share with you just a little bit and some clips of the stories and hope

and some clips of the stories and hope

and some clips of the stories and hope that it inspires you as well now I spoke

that it inspires you as well now I spoke

that it inspires you as well now I spoke with seven astronauts but I really can

with seven astronauts but I really can

with seven astronauts but I really can only pick a few today so I picked a few

only pick a few today so I picked a few

only pick a few today so I picked a few key ones today we’ve got the lovely

key ones today we’ve got the lovely

key ones today we’ve got the lovely Joseph Allen in his spacesuit and Joseph

Joseph Allen in his spacesuit and Joseph

Joseph Allen in his spacesuit and Joseph basically was involved amazingly in the

basically was involved amazingly in the

basically was involved amazingly in the Apollo 15 mission and he logged 13 days

Apollo 15 mission and he logged 13 days

Apollo 15 mission and he logged 13 days in space and he’s now 78 he’s retired

in space and he’s now 78 he’s retired

in space and he’s now 78 he’s retired and of course he found the experience

and of course he found the experience

and of course he found the experience absolutely awe-inspiring and

absolutely awe-inspiring and

absolutely awe-inspiring and breathtaking and all of that but for me

breathtaking and all of that but for me

breathtaking and all of that but for me what stood out in our conversations and

what stood out in our conversations and

what stood out in our conversations and there were many moments he said to me

there were many moments he said to me

there were many moments he said to me when when I was he basically has

when when I was he basically has

when when I was he basically has reoccurring dreams that still continue

reoccurring dreams that still continue

reoccurring dreams that still continue to this day and that’s quite a long time

to this day and that’s quite a long time

to this day and that’s quite a long time to have reoccurring dreams of planet

to have reoccurring dreams of planet

to have reoccurring dreams of planet Earth from space and these dreams bring

Earth from space and these dreams bring

Earth from space and these dreams bring him immense pleasure and joy and this

him immense pleasure and joy and this

him immense pleasure and joy and this guy is a scientist you know logic and

guy is a scientist you know logic and

guy is a scientist you know logic and reason you know govern him and rule or

reason you know govern him and rule or

reason you know govern him and rule or ruled him and one of the many profound

ruled him and one of the many profound

ruled him and one of the many profound things a quote that I’d like to read

things a quote that I’d like to read

things a quote that I’d like to read from our conversation that he said to me

from our conversation that he said to me

from our conversation that he said to me was earth just takes your breath away

was earth just takes your breath away

was earth just takes your breath away and you just can’t take your eyes off

and you just can’t take your eyes off

and you just can’t take your eyes off earth and you could be in a gondola in

earth and you could be in a gondola in

earth and you could be in a gondola in the sky and just having the earth

the sky and just having the earth

the sky and just having the earth turning for your viewing pleasure I

turning for your viewing pleasure I

turning for your viewing pleasure I spoke with the lovely

spoke with the lovely

spoke with the lovely Ronald Garin as well Ronald Garen’s 54

Ronald Garin as well Ronald Garen’s 54

Ronald Garin as well Ronald Garen’s 54 and he’s also a retired NASA astronaut

and he’s also a retired NASA astronaut

and he’s also a retired NASA astronaut and he logged 178 days in total in space

and he logged 178 days in total in space

and he logged 178 days in total in space and he was a former fighter pilot now

and he was a former fighter pilot now

and he was a former fighter pilot now for Ronald again or you know all the

for Ronald again or you know all the

for Ronald again or you know all the usual stuff that he came away with you

usual stuff that he came away with you

usual stuff that he came away with you know the experience was or inducing but

know the experience was or inducing but

know the experience was or inducing but he basically said to me that when he

he basically said to me that when he

he basically said to me that when he returned he realized that the meaning of

returned he realized that the meaning of

returned he realized that the meaning of life was love and connection so pretty

life was love and connection so pretty

life was love and connection so pretty pretty huge for a former fighter pilot

pretty huge for a former fighter pilot

pretty huge for a former fighter pilot to say those things and finally actually

to say those things and finally actually

to say those things and finally actually sorry I’m going to read a quote from

sorry I’m going to read a quote from

sorry I’m going to read a quote from Ronald he a really sort of poignant

Ronald he a really sort of poignant

Ronald he a really sort of poignant thing he said to me was the earth is

thing he said to me was the earth is

thing he said to me was the earth is constantly changing the colors the

constantly changing the colors the

constantly changing the colors the terrain the shadows everything is

terrain the shadows everything is

terrain the shadows everything is changing and all this motion and light

changing and all this motion and light

changing and all this motion and light really gives you a sense that we live on

really gives you a sense that we live on

really gives you a sense that we live on this living breathing organism and I

this living breathing organism and I

this living breathing organism and I spoke with Nicole Stott Nicole’s 54 and

spoke with Nicole Stott Nicole’s 54 and

spoke with Nicole Stott Nicole’s 54 and she served as a flight engineer on two

she served as a flight engineer on two

she served as a flight engineer on two missions as she you know two missions

missions as she you know two missions

missions as she you know two missions and one of which was a long-duration

and one of which was a long-duration

and one of which was a long-duration mission that lasted 90 days and again

mission that lasted 90 days and again

mission that lasted 90 days and again Nicole found it the experience or

Nicole found it the experience or

Nicole found it the experience or inducing but she said she really could

inducing but she said she really could

inducing but she said she really could see that we were all part of this

see that we were all part of this

see that we were all part of this interdependent and interconnected web of

interdependent and interconnected web of

interdependent and interconnected web of life and she really wished that everyone

life and she really wished that everyone

life and she really wished that everyone would realize that and and she since

would realize that and and she since

would realize that and and she since she’s come back she’s been trying to

she’s come back she’s been trying to

she’s come back she’s been trying to relay this message and she said to me

relay this message and she said to me

relay this message and she said to me when you look at thunderstorms from

when you look at thunderstorms from

when you look at thunderstorms from space it’s like this little network of a

space it’s like this little network of a

space it’s like this little network of a nervous system and that little storm in

nervous system and that little storm in

nervous system and that little storm in Houston is just one piece of this whole

Houston is just one piece of this whole

Houston is just one piece of this whole string that’s going across the entire

string that’s going across the entire

string that’s going across the entire planet now I think this is really

planet now I think this is really

planet now I think this is really exciting and I hope that you guys do too

exciting and I hope that you guys do too

exciting and I hope that you guys do too because there virtually no other

because there virtually no other

because there virtually no other experiences that can have such

experiences that can have such

experiences that can have such transformative and growth enhancing

transformative and growth enhancing

transformative and growth enhancing effects

effects

effects and I think I really want to try to

and I think I really want to try to

and I think I really want to try to bring this experience down to all of us

bring this experience down to all of us

bring this experience down to all of us and one way we can perhaps do that is

and one way we can perhaps do that is

and one way we can perhaps do that is through virtual reality now virtual

through virtual reality now virtual

through virtual reality now virtual reality is an immersive technology and

reality is an immersive technology and

reality is an immersive technology and it’s a powerful storytelling tool and it

it’s a powerful storytelling tool and it

it’s a powerful storytelling tool and it can basically tap into human beings

can basically tap into human beings

can basically tap into human beings reservoir of positive emotions such as

reservoir of positive emotions such as

reservoir of positive emotions such as all and this is fascinating because we

all and this is fascinating because we

all and this is fascinating because we now know that such emotions can enhance

now know that such emotions can enhance

now know that such emotions can enhance psychological well-being and I think one

psychological well-being and I think one

psychological well-being and I think one of the most important reasons to use

of the most important reasons to use

of the most important reasons to use virtual reality is you know it’s it

virtual reality is you know it’s it

virtual reality is you know it’s it doesn’t seem fair somehow that perhaps

doesn’t seem fair somehow that perhaps

doesn’t seem fair somehow that perhaps the more financially better off people

the more financially better off people

the more financially better off people or the more wealthier people in society

or the more wealthier people in society

or the more wealthier people in society get to experience or inducing

get to experience or inducing

get to experience or inducing experiences such as you know going to

experiences such as you know going to

experiences such as you know going to well not yet going to space but going to

well not yet going to space but going to

well not yet going to space but going to space or Mount Everest

space or Mount Everest

space or Mount Everest any-any or inducing experience and so

any-any or inducing experience and so

any-any or inducing experience and so really one thing I wanted to do was to

really one thing I wanted to do was to

really one thing I wanted to do was to bridge this gap and bring this

bridge this gap and bring this

bridge this gap and bring this experience to everyone I’m sounding very

experience to everyone I’m sounding very

experience to everyone I’m sounding very optimistic and away with the fairies and

optimistic and away with the fairies and

optimistic and away with the fairies and I’m not saying that virtual reality is

I’m not saying that virtual reality is

I’m not saying that virtual reality is going to fix all of our problems and you

going to fix all of our problems and you

going to fix all of our problems and you know make everything better and we’re

know make everything better and we’re

know make everything better and we’re all going to live on this great you know

all going to live on this great you know

all going to live on this great you know Society but what I am saying that

Society but what I am saying that

Society but what I am saying that virtual reality can be implemented in

virtual reality can be implemented in

virtual reality can be implemented in lots of places

lots of places

lots of places and can serve as a tool that can inspire

and can serve as a tool that can inspire

and can serve as a tool that can inspire all of us it can serve as a tool that

all of us it can serve as a tool that

all of us it can serve as a tool that perhaps can shift our attention just a

perhaps can shift our attention just a

perhaps can shift our attention just a little away from individualistic and

little away from individualistic and

little away from individualistic and materialistic values to warns towards

materialistic values to warns towards

materialistic values to warns towards ones that are more centered around

ones that are more centered around

ones that are more centered around connection towards empathy and I think

connection towards empathy and I think

connection towards empathy and I think this can only be a good thing but I

this can only be a good thing but I

this can only be a good thing but I think more importantly virtual reality

think more importantly virtual reality

think more importantly virtual reality might be able to be a tool that provides

might be able to be a tool that provides

might be able to be a tool that provides solace and comfort to those that really

solace and comfort to those that really

solace and comfort to those that really need it

need it

need it for example the marginalized the

for example the marginalized the

for example the marginalized the disillusioned the incarcerated

disillusioned the incarcerated

disillusioned the incarcerated and perhaps for those going through

and perhaps for those going through

and perhaps for those going through end-of-life thank you

end-of-life thank you

end-of-life thank you [Applause]

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