
alright I’ll tell you about the stars and black holes and the universe as a
and black holes and the universe as a
and black holes and the universe as a whole
whole
whole this is the story of black hole it’s a
this is the story of black hole it’s a
this is the story of black hole it’s a fascinating tale of Education evolution
fascinating tale of Education evolution
fascinating tale of Education evolution of our knowledge on universe how the
of our knowledge on universe how the
of our knowledge on universe how the things change how things evolve how we
things change how things evolve how we
things change how things evolve how we you know as we go on observing the
you know as we go on observing the
you know as we go on observing the universe which way we keep revising our
universe which way we keep revising our
universe which way we keep revising our ideas on the cosmos that’s the whole
ideas on the cosmos that’s the whole
ideas on the cosmos that’s the whole game we are all here very busy doing our
game we are all here very busy doing our
game we are all here very busy doing our day to day course every studies life
day to day course every studies life
day to day course every studies life family so on and so forth so many things
family so on and so forth so many things
family so on and so forth so many things we have to attend every day but then we
we have to attend every day but then we
we have to attend every day but then we have to realize we are part of a vast
have to realize we are part of a vast
have to realize we are part of a vast universe we are not you know alone we
universe we are not you know alone we
universe we are not you know alone we are part of an entirety and then as you
are part of an entirety and then as you
are part of an entirety and then as you look out there in the cosmos
look out there in the cosmos
look out there in the cosmos you see what we call galaxies this are
you see what we call galaxies this are
you see what we call galaxies this are you see the galaxies that you see from
you see the galaxies that you see from
you see the galaxies that you see from the Hubble telescope there are billions
the Hubble telescope there are billions
the Hubble telescope there are billions of galaxies that you see in the universe
of galaxies that you see in the universe
of galaxies that you see in the universe and each of that like this one consists
and each of that like this one consists
and each of that like this one consists of some 400 to 500 billions of stars
of some 400 to 500 billions of stars
of some 400 to 500 billions of stars billions of stars and then our own Sun
billions of stars and then our own Sun
billions of stars and then our own Sun and that Sun is just a one tiny dot even
and that Sun is just a one tiny dot even
and that Sun is just a one tiny dot even if this one tiny dot contains hundreds
if this one tiny dot contains hundreds
if this one tiny dot contains hundreds of stars so big is one single galaxy
of stars so big is one single galaxy
of stars so big is one single galaxy this Sun is as small as this one but
this Sun is as small as this one but
this Sun is as small as this one but there are stars this big in the universe
there are stars this big in the universe
there are stars this big in the universe thousands
thousands
thousands 10 times the Sun 20 times the Sun or
10 times the Sun 20 times the Sun or
10 times the Sun 20 times the Sun or even you know 100 times the mass of the
even you know 100 times the mass of the
even you know 100 times the mass of the Sun big big stars are there in the
Sun big big stars are there in the
Sun big big stars are there in the universe what happens to them when they
universe what happens to them when they
universe what happens to them when they exist they’re internal nuclear fuel as
exist they’re internal nuclear fuel as
exist they’re internal nuclear fuel as you know probably the hydrogen atoms
you know probably the hydrogen atoms
you know probably the hydrogen atoms fused together in the Sun to produce
fused together in the Sun to produce
fused together in the Sun to produce energy and then at some day the hydrogen
energy and then at some day the hydrogen
energy and then at some day the hydrogen is going to get or even within the Sun
is going to get or even within the Sun
is going to get or even within the Sun the Sun has lived some 5 billion years
the Sun has lived some 5 billion years
the Sun has lived some 5 billion years in the past but never mind it is going
in the past but never mind it is going
in the past but never mind it is going to live another 5 billion years so you
to live another 5 billion years so you
to live another 5 billion years so you can have many more TED Talks here and
can have many more TED Talks here and
can have many more TED Talks here and you know many more degrees and your
you know many more degrees and your
you know many more degrees and your usually your carriers to make your
usually your carriers to make your
usually your carriers to make your financial planning to do your families
financial planning to do your families
financial planning to do your families to make your children the important
to make your children the important
to make your children the important point is the life cycle of Sun is very
point is the life cycle of Sun is very
point is the life cycle of Sun is very different from life cycles of massive
different from life cycles of massive
different from life cycles of massive stars when the stars are more massive
stars when the stars are more massive
stars when the stars are more massive say 10 or 20 times the mass of the Sun
say 10 or 20 times the mass of the Sun
say 10 or 20 times the mass of the Sun then they burn much much faster their
then they burn much much faster their
then they burn much much faster their life cycle is their internal burning is
life cycle is their internal burning is
life cycle is their internal burning is much faster their fuel will get over
much faster their fuel will get over
much faster their fuel will get over very soon and then what is the final
very soon and then what is the final
very soon and then what is the final fate of such massive stars that is the
fate of such massive stars that is the
fate of such massive stars that is the you know beginning of the story of the
you know beginning of the story of the
you know beginning of the story of the black hole which is I think everyone has
black hole which is I think everyone has
black hole which is I think everyone has probably read somewhere or the other in
probably read somewhere or the other in
probably read somewhere or the other in the newspapers so
the newspapers so
the newspapers so to find out that particular you know
to find out that particular you know
to find out that particular you know answer you need the theory of relativity
answer you need the theory of relativity
answer you need the theory of relativity of Einstein because what happens is
of Einstein because what happens is
of Einstein because what happens is really this star is governing at the you
really this star is governing at the you
really this star is governing at the you know is governed by the internal nuclear
know is governed by the internal nuclear
know is governed by the internal nuclear fuel as I said cycle and then what
fuel as I said cycle and then what
fuel as I said cycle and then what happens then is the gravity takes over
happens then is the gravity takes over
happens then is the gravity takes over it is the entire game of gravity that is
it is the entire game of gravity that is
it is the entire game of gravity that is what counts in 1939 Oppenheim ER and
what counts in 1939 Oppenheim ER and
what counts in 1939 Oppenheim ER and Schneider the famous you know physicist
Schneider the famous you know physicist
Schneider the famous you know physicist Robert Oppenheimer and his student they
Robert Oppenheimer and his student they
Robert Oppenheimer and his student they worked out the using Einstein’s
worked out the using Einstein’s
worked out the using Einstein’s equations what will happen to you know a
equations what will happen to you know a
equations what will happen to you know a massive star and they found out that the
massive star and they found out that the
massive star and they found out that the entire star which is thousands of
entire star which is thousands of
entire star which is thousands of kilometers in radius it will collapse to
kilometers in radius it will collapse to
kilometers in radius it will collapse to one single dot like the one in IE
one single dot like the one in IE
one single dot like the one in IE english IE you put on the top that dot
english IE you put on the top that dot
english IE you put on the top that dot smaller than that size and within a
smaller than that size and within a
smaller than that size and within a matter of few minutes tens of seconds
matter of few minutes tens of seconds
matter of few minutes tens of seconds the star which lived millions of years
the star which lived millions of years
the star which lived millions of years will you know collapse like that and
will you know collapse like that and
will you know collapse like that and that kind of a dot is really the
that kind of a dot is really the
that kind of a dot is really the spacetime singularity in the same year
spacetime singularity in the same year
spacetime singularity in the same year 1939 as Oppenheim arranged neither did
1939 as Oppenheim arranged neither did
1939 as Oppenheim arranged neither did their work immediately
their work immediately
their work immediately Einstein was very displeased and unhappy
Einstein was very displeased and unhappy
Einstein was very displeased and unhappy with their work he straight away sake
with their work he straight away sake
with their work he straight away sake know nothing doing a star cannot do it
know nothing doing a star cannot do it
know nothing doing a star cannot do it how can a star columns like this and
how can a star columns like this and
how can a star columns like this and become a point like that and then
become a point like that and then
become a point like that and then everyone was quiet
everyone was quiet
everyone was quiet Einstein has spoken you see so there
Einstein has spoken you see so there
Einstein has spoken you see so there were the total silence in the field but
were the total silence in the field but
were the total silence in the field but only in 1960s what happened was that
only in 1960s what happened was that
only in 1960s what happened was that amazing you know phenomena were
amazing you know phenomena were
amazing you know phenomena were discovered in the universe
discovered in the universe
discovered in the universe the quasars the radio galaxies and so
the quasars the radio galaxies and so
the quasars the radio galaxies and so much energy was produced over there that
much energy was produced over there that
much energy was produced over there that no usual known laws of physics would
no usual known laws of physics would
no usual known laws of physics would explain it
explain it
explain it and then people thought ha there was
and then people thought ha there was
and then people thought ha there was this Oppenheim where there was the
this Oppenheim where there was the
this Oppenheim where there was the Snyder act there was this concept of
Snyder act there was this concept of
Snyder act there was this concept of singularity concept of singularity
singularity concept of singularity
singularity concept of singularity hidden within the horizon of gravity and
hidden within the horizon of gravity and
hidden within the horizon of gravity and then big development started in nineteen
then big development started in nineteen
then big development started in nineteen sixties and seventies on black holes
sixties and seventies on black holes
sixties and seventies on black holes stiffen Hawking Roger Penrose John
stiffen Hawking Roger Penrose John
stiffen Hawking Roger Penrose John Miller Kip Thorne big big names you see
Miller Kip Thorne big big names you see
Miller Kip Thorne big big names you see and the huge development took place in
and the huge development took place in
and the huge development took place in the game so this is you know a kind of
the game so this is you know a kind of
the game so this is you know a kind of artist conception of black hole you
artist conception of black hole you
artist conception of black hole you can’t just see it like a star out there
can’t just see it like a star out there
can’t just see it like a star out there because by definition the black hole
because by definition the black hole
because by definition the black hole doesn’t allow you know any light to
doesn’t allow you know any light to
doesn’t allow you know any light to escape so it is known only through its a
escape so it is known only through its a
escape so it is known only through its a you know effect on its environment but
you know effect on its environment but
you know effect on its environment but then physicists applied in a very big
then physicists applied in a very big
then physicists applied in a very big way the hole of the black hole theory
way the hole of the black hole theory
way the hole of the black hole theory but there was one very important catch
but there was one very important catch
but there was one very important catch in the entire game and the catch was
in the entire game and the catch was
in the entire game and the catch was that people remembered you know the
that people remembered you know the
that people remembered you know the Oppenheimer Schneider work and people
Oppenheimer Schneider work and people
Oppenheimer Schneider work and people you know brought everything in but they
you know brought everything in but they
you know brought everything in but they had to you know show in general that
had to you know show in general that
had to you know show in general that every star will become only a black hole
every star will become only a black hole
every star will become only a black hole every massive star when it died it will
every massive star when it died it will
every massive star when it died it will become a black hole only this had to be
become a black hole only this had to be
become a black hole only this had to be proved because the open how much neither
proved because the open how much neither
proved because the open how much neither model was very simple so the scientists
model was very simple so the scientists
model was very simple so the scientists had not proved really that every massive
had not proved really that every massive
had not proved really that every massive star will you know go to a black hole
star will you know go to a black hole
star will you know go to a black hole only in the past many decades what has
only in the past many decades what has
only in the past many decades what has happened is that many many models have
happened is that many many models have
happened is that many many models have been worked out including you know the
been worked out including you know the
been worked out including you know the Indian groups also and what turned out
Indian groups also and what turned out
Indian groups also and what turned out is that the singularity I was talking
is that the singularity I was talking
is that the singularity I was talking about this star collapsed is collapsing
about this star collapsed is collapsing
about this star collapsed is collapsing to a singularity you know very very
to a singularity you know very very
to a singularity you know very very dense region sometimes it can be hidden
dense region sometimes it can be hidden
dense region sometimes it can be hidden within a black hole but at other times
within a black hole but at other times
within a black hole but at other times it can be visible also so then the
it can be visible also so then the
it can be visible also so then the hypothesis was given by Penrose fifty
hypothesis was given by Penrose fifty
hypothesis was given by Penrose fifty years ago exactly about 50 years ago
years ago exactly about 50 years ago
years ago exactly about 50 years ago that singularities must be hidden so he
that singularities must be hidden so he
that singularities must be hidden so he gave a more dramatic word no naked
gave a more dramatic word no naked
gave a more dramatic word no naked singularities and we must have a cosmic
singularities and we must have a cosmic
singularities and we must have a cosmic sensor hiding all singularities
sensor hiding all singularities
sensor hiding all singularities singularities are not so bad actually
singularities are not so bad actually
singularities are not so bad actually you don’t have to hide them but anyway
you don’t have to hide them but anyway
you don’t have to hide them but anyway in order to develop the black hole
in order to develop the black hole
in order to develop the black hole physics somehow scientists assumed this
physics somehow scientists assumed this
physics somehow scientists assumed this and the conclusion was both black holes
and the conclusion was both black holes
and the conclusion was both black holes invisible naked singularities develop as
invisible naked singularities develop as
invisible naked singularities develop as collapse final states lots of groups
collapse final states lots of groups
collapse final states lots of groups worked out all this results over past
worked out all this results over past
worked out all this results over past you know at two three decades including
you know at two three decades including
you know at two three decades including our one a group also the important point
our one a group also the important point
our one a group also the important point here is that
here is that
here is that to tell you in pictures this earlier
to tell you in pictures this earlier
to tell you in pictures this earlier scientists thought that sun-like stars
scientists thought that sun-like stars
scientists thought that sun-like stars will become white dwarfs but more
will become white dwarfs but more
will become white dwarfs but more massive stars will necessarily become
massive stars will necessarily become
massive stars will necessarily become black holes but now the difference is
black holes but now the difference is
black holes but now the difference is the sun-like star will become white
the sun-like star will become white
the sun-like star will become white dwarfs but massive stars either they can
dwarfs but massive stars either they can
dwarfs but massive stars either they can become black hole or they can explode
become black hole or they can explode
become black hole or they can explode like a fireball the point is that either
like a fireball the point is that either
like a fireball the point is that either it can become black hole or it can
it can become black hole or it can
it can become black hole or it can explode so that became a big emotional
explode so that became a big emotional
explode so that became a big emotional upheaval you see scientists also have
upheaval you see scientists also have
upheaval you see scientists also have emotions obviously I mean we generally
emotions obviously I mean we generally
emotions obviously I mean we generally have the you know impression of
have the you know impression of
have the you know impression of scientists like you know mathematics and
scientists like you know mathematics and
scientists like you know mathematics and you know writing formally so scientists
you know writing formally so scientists
you know writing formally so scientists I didn’t assist so much but there is an
I didn’t assist so much but there is an
I didn’t assist so much but there is an emotional you know upheaval but there’s
emotional you know upheaval but there’s
emotional you know upheaval but there’s the first page article in New York Times
the first page article in New York Times
the first page article in New York Times Stephen Hawking accepted that in fact a
Stephen Hawking accepted that in fact a
Stephen Hawking accepted that in fact a singularities without horizons and do
singularities without horizons and do
singularities without horizons and do happen our one work
happen our one work
happen our one work happened over here in past many years
happened over here in past many years
happened over here in past many years they invited me to write an article I
they invited me to write an article I
they invited me to write an article I wrote one there is a Hollywood star also
wrote one there is a Hollywood star also
wrote one there is a Hollywood star also who was interested in stars and final
who was interested in stars and final
who was interested in stars and final fate of stars and she was very excited I
fate of stars and she was very excited I
fate of stars and she was very excited I want to be a rebel star I don’t want to
want to be a rebel star I don’t want to
want to be a rebel star I don’t want to a black hole you know agree I would like
a black hole you know agree I would like
a black hole you know agree I would like to sort of explored away so we had
to sort of explored away so we had
to sort of explored away so we had wonderful conversation and so on but of
wonderful conversation and so on but of
wonderful conversation and so on but of course despite being in Mumbai for such
course despite being in Mumbai for such
course despite being in Mumbai for such a long time I have not been able to you
a long time I have not been able to you
a long time I have not been able to you know attract any Bollywood star in the
know attract any Bollywood star in the
know attract any Bollywood star in the discussion of you know there there goes
discussion of you know there there goes
discussion of you know there there goes there go there goes you see the
there go there goes you see the
there go there goes you see the Hollywood then there goes the Bollywood
Hollywood then there goes the Bollywood
Hollywood then there goes the Bollywood the recent developments have been
the recent developments have been
the recent developments have been astronomers have never been asking
astronomers have never been asking
astronomers have never been asking because many groups have worked on these
because many groups have worked on these
because many groups have worked on these things and well so black holes are there
things and well so black holes are there
things and well so black holes are there and naked visible singularities are
and naked visible singularities are
and naked visible singularities are there what are we going to see out there
there what are we going to see out there
there what are we going to see out there can you observe something so there have
can you observe something so there have
can you observe something so there have been lot of developments on that much
been lot of developments on that much
been lot of developments on that much more interestingly the recent papers
more interestingly the recent papers
more interestingly the recent papers have come in fact in past few weeks and
have come in fact in past few weeks and
have come in fact in past few weeks and months from places like Cambridge and
months from places like Cambridge and
months from places like Cambridge and Princeton and you know top places in the
Princeton and you know top places in the
Princeton and you know top places in the world confirming that in fact
world confirming that in fact
world confirming that in fact singularities without horizons also do
singularities without horizons also do
singularities without horizons also do occur so that’s very interesting and
occur so that’s very interesting and
occur so that’s very interesting and satisfied you know whether I mean
satisfied you know whether I mean
satisfied you know whether I mean whatever happens whether they cite you
whatever happens whether they cite you
whatever happens whether they cite you where if they don’t cite you all those
where if they don’t cite you all those
where if they don’t cite you all those things things are fine but you know our
things things are fine but you know our
things things are fine but you know our work is well into discussion for quite
work is well into discussion for quite
work is well into discussion for quite some time because of the monographs the
some time because of the monographs the
some time because of the monographs the the Cambridge and Oxford and others have
the Cambridge and Oxford and others have
the Cambridge and Oxford and others have published but more so because of you
published but more so because of you
published but more so because of you know the Scientific American and Angela
know the Scientific American and Angela
know the Scientific American and Angela and Shelton like you know episodes but
and Shelton like you know episodes but
and Shelton like you know episodes but the sort of fade is intrigue Ewing why
the sort of fade is intrigue Ewing why
the sort of fade is intrigue Ewing why all these things are so important
all these things are so important
all these things are so important just a word on that you see when you are
just a word on that you see when you are
just a word on that you see when you are close to a singularity such high
close to a singularity such high
close to a singularity such high densities what happens is that the
densities what happens is that the
densities what happens is that the gravity forces and the quantum forces
gravity forces and the quantum forces
gravity forces and the quantum forces come together they work in unison
come together they work in unison
come together they work in unison otherwise we don’t have today a good
otherwise we don’t have today a good
otherwise we don’t have today a good theory describing the quantum gravity
theory describing the quantum gravity
theory describing the quantum gravity effects in you know unified manner in a
effects in you know unified manner in a
effects in you know unified manner in a satisfactory manner so if you can see
satisfactory manner so if you can see
satisfactory manner so if you can see the signals you see coming from this
the signals you see coming from this
the signals you see coming from this very dense regions or the singularities
very dense regions or the singularities
very dense regions or the singularities then you know you have a real hope of
then you know you have a real hope of
then you know you have a real hope of finding out we have string theories we
finding out we have string theories we
finding out we have string theories we have loop quantum gravity s but not
have loop quantum gravity s but not
have loop quantum gravity s but not really telling us too much so it is the
really telling us too much so it is the
really telling us too much so it is the unification of physics as a whole that
unification of physics as a whole that
unification of physics as a whole that is creating or making this as a really
is creating or making this as a really
is creating or making this as a really frontier problem it’s really like a mini
frontier problem it’s really like a mini
frontier problem it’s really like a mini Big Bang Big Bang singularity the origin
Big Bang Big Bang singularity the origin
Big Bang Big Bang singularity the origin universe origin of the universe you all
universe origin of the universe you all
universe origin of the universe you all have heard so if anacott singularity
have heard so if anacott singularity
have heard so if anacott singularity occurred then there would be a you know
occurred then there would be a you know
occurred then there would be a you know a blast like many Big Bang whenever a
a blast like many Big Bang whenever a
a blast like many Big Bang whenever a massive star collapsed purely under the
massive star collapsed purely under the
massive star collapsed purely under the pull of its own gravity and now you see
pull of its own gravity and now you see
pull of its own gravity and now you see this is the event horizon telescope
this is the event horizon telescope
this is the event horizon telescope which is going to see the center of our
which is going to see the center of our
which is going to see the center of our own galaxy the Milky Way so they are you
own galaxy the Milky Way so they are you
own galaxy the Milky Way so they are you know really trying to make the
know really trying to make the
know really trying to make the experiments observational missions the
experiments observational missions the
experiments observational missions the real you know quest is to understand the
real you know quest is to understand the
real you know quest is to understand the cosmos and here are the LIGO you know
cosmos and here are the LIGO you know
cosmos and here are the LIGO you know telescope arrays and gravitational waves
telescope arrays and gravitational waves
telescope arrays and gravitational waves could bring to us some of this signals
could bring to us some of this signals
could bring to us some of this signals here is you know a recent book that I
here is you know a recent book that I
here is you know a recent book that I wrote which describes many of this
wrote which describes many of this
wrote which describes many of this developments in quite some detail it’s
developments in quite some detail it’s
developments in quite some detail it’s it grew really out of the Scientific
it grew really out of the Scientific
it grew really out of the Scientific American article discussions doing
American article discussions doing
American article discussions doing frontier science in India how’s that
frontier science in India how’s that
frontier science in India how’s that like and I must say you know a couple of
like and I must say you know a couple of
like and I must say you know a couple of words here
words here
words here recently you know when key Ram Krishna
recently you know when key Ram Krishna
recently you know when key Ram Krishna has said Indian Science Congress is a
has said Indian Science Congress is a
has said Indian Science Congress is a circus and this is you see printed out
circus and this is you see printed out
circus and this is you see printed out there in a Hindu article and he was not
there in a Hindu article and he was not
there in a Hindu article and he was not afraid to you know say this in public
afraid to you know say this in public
afraid to you know say this in public is this all correct well there are a few
is this all correct well there are a few
is this all correct well there are a few good places you see in India where you
good places you see in India where you
good places you see in India where you can do some work so down good facilities
can do some work so down good facilities
can do some work so down good facilities and so on but really speaking barring
and so on but really speaking barring
and so on but really speaking barring you know few good places few places you
you know few good places few places you
you know few good places few places you can count on your fingers really ever
can count on your fingers really ever
can count on your fingers really ever you know universities are in Chambal
you know universities are in Chambal
you know universities are in Chambal sort of you know in a bad shape and we
sort of you know in a bad shape and we
sort of you know in a bad shape and we have to do something about it
have to do something about it
have to do something about it looking at our work own work objectively
looking at our work own work objectively
looking at our work own work objectively and effort you know it’s an effort to
and effort you know it’s an effort to
and effort you know it’s an effort to work at the frontier of knowledge they I
work at the frontier of knowledge they I
work at the frontier of knowledge they I must say that we have you know basic
must say that we have you know basic
must say that we have you know basic infrastructure problems so you run into
infrastructure problems so you run into
infrastructure problems so you run into those you have to take care of that I a
those you have to take care of that I a
those you have to take care of that I a need not go into nitty-gritty you know
need not go into nitty-gritty you know
need not go into nitty-gritty you know for the moment but we what we really
for the moment but we what we really
for the moment but we what we really need today is to solve this issue this
need today is to solve this issue this
need today is to solve this issue this is so many young people aspiring young
is so many young people aspiring young
is so many young people aspiring young people are there they are no less
people are there they are no less
people are there they are no less intelligent than anybody in the world am
intelligent than anybody in the world am
intelligent than anybody in the world am and I have gone to few countries several
and I have gone to few countries several
and I have gone to few countries several countries and you know then they deserve
countries and you know then they deserve
countries and you know then they deserve opportunities what is needed is
opportunities what is needed is
opportunities what is needed is attention on education and research and
attention on education and research and
attention on education and research and this is sorely missing the education is
this is sorely missing the education is
this is sorely missing the education is suffering in this country we need to do
suffering in this country we need to do
suffering in this country we need to do something really really drastic do you
something really really drastic do you
something really really drastic do you know revive and through it is your
know revive and through it is your
know revive and through it is your children your generation so it is for
children your generation so it is for
children your generation so it is for you really to take up you know all the
you really to take up you know all the
you really to take up you know all the responsibilities and do something about
responsibilities and do something about
responsibilities and do something about it you cannot say that oh we are all you
it you cannot say that oh we are all you
it you cannot say that oh we are all you know us-bound target audience well
know us-bound target audience well
know us-bound target audience well certainly you know some change may be
certainly you know some change may be
certainly you know some change may be there you know some President may come
there you know some President may come
there you know some President may come who we all know stay in your country so
who we all know stay in your country so
who we all know stay in your country so what are you going to do thank you
what are you going to do thank you
what are you going to do thank you you
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