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[Applause] this is my daughter Izzy and like all

this is my daughter Izzy and like all

this is my daughter Izzy and like all children she simultaneously makes me

children she simultaneously makes me

children she simultaneously makes me want to laugh and pull whatever hair I

want to laugh and pull whatever hair I

want to laugh and pull whatever hair I have left on my head out however she has

have left on my head out however she has

have left on my head out however she has been the single most important thing has

been the single most important thing has

been the single most important thing has ever happened to me as an educator you

ever happened to me as an educator you

ever happened to me as an educator you see four years ago she started school

see four years ago she started school

see four years ago she started school and for the very first time I knew what

and for the very first time I knew what

and for the very first time I knew what it was like to be on the other side of

it was like to be on the other side of

it was like to be on the other side of the fence because of Izzy

the fence because of Izzy

the fence because of Izzy she made me question who I was as an

she made me question who I was as an

she made me question who I was as an educator she made me think why my

educator she made me think why my

educator she made me think why my students were in that classroom and more

students were in that classroom and more

students were in that classroom and more importantly she made me think what

importantly she made me think what

importantly she made me think what school was all about today I want to

school was all about today I want to

school was all about today I want to share a little bit about this journey

share a little bit about this journey

share a little bit about this journey but more importantly I want to make you

but more importantly I want to make you

but more importantly I want to make you think about one thing children want to

think about one thing children want to

think about one thing children want to matter is Izzy on the very first day of

matter is Izzy on the very first day of

matter is Izzy on the very first day of kindergarten by the sounds of your

kindergarten by the sounds of your

kindergarten by the sounds of your voices do you think she’s kind of cute

voices do you think she’s kind of cute

voices do you think she’s kind of cute and though I’m a little biased I would

and though I’m a little biased I would

and though I’m a little biased I would have to agree with you

have to agree with you

have to agree with you however she’s not the easiest child to

however she’s not the easiest child to

however she’s not the easiest child to get along with and in fact she got in a

get along with and in fact she got in a

get along with and in fact she got in a lot of physical fights with both her

lot of physical fights with both her

lot of physical fights with both her teacher and her peers I know it’s hard

teacher and her peers I know it’s hard

teacher and her peers I know it’s hard to believe and this caused a not so

to believe and this caused a not so

to believe and this caused a not so positive experience for her in the

positive experience for her in the

positive experience for her in the kindergarten but this also caused my

kindergarten but this also caused my

kindergarten but this also caused my wife and I to go on an amazing journey

wife and I to go on an amazing journey

wife and I to go on an amazing journey that we’re still on we took it to a lot

that we’re still on we took it to a lot

that we’re still on we took it to a lot of consults we took her to see some

of consults we took her to see some

of consults we took her to see some occupational therapy and finally speech

occupational therapy and finally speech

occupational therapy and finally speech where we found out that she was the

where we found out that she was the

where we found out that she was the first percentile for expressive language

first percentile for expressive language

first percentile for expressive language and 56 percentile for receptive language

and 56 percentile for receptive language

and 56 percentile for receptive language basically she could take everything in

basically she could take everything in

basically she could take everything in but could not tell you how she was

but could not tell you how she was

but could not tell you how she was feeling no wonder she struggled in

feeling no wonder she struggled in

feeling no wonder she struggled in kindergarten it was also around this

kindergarten it was also around this

kindergarten it was also around this time that Angela mayor spoke at a

time that Angela mayor spoke at a

time that Angela mayor spoke at a conference where she said these two

conference where she said these two

conference where she said these two words you matter and she said that these

words you matter and she said that these

words you matter and she said that these two words will change the lives of

two words will change the lives of

two words will change the lives of children and affect their future forever

children and affect their future forever

children and affect their future forever you can see why these two words really

you can see why these two words really

you can see why these two words really resonated with me I was also reading a

resonated with me I was also reading a

resonated with me I was also reading a book called the explosive child by dr.

book called the explosive child by dr.

book called the explosive child by dr. Ross green at this point for obvious

Ross green at this point for obvious

Ross green at this point for obvious reasons dr. green

reasons dr. green

reasons dr. green talks about the collaborative

talks about the collaborative

talks about the collaborative problem-solving approach for dealing

problem-solving approach for dealing

problem-solving approach for dealing with behavior basically build a

with behavior basically build a

with behavior basically build a relationship first understand the

relationship first understand the

relationship first understand the underlining ideas and then address the

underlining ideas and then address the

underlining ideas and then address the behavior now I don’t know about you but

behavior now I don’t know about you but

behavior now I don’t know about you but this might go against everything that we

this might go against everything that we

this might go against everything that we may have thought about raising children

may have thought about raising children

may have thought about raising children at least for me when I grew up it was

at least for me when I grew up it was

at least for me when I grew up it was spare the rod spoil the child but that

spare the rod spoil the child but that

spare the rod spoil the child but that doesn’t work for some children and it

doesn’t work for some children and it

doesn’t work for some children and it definitely doesn’t work in education

definitely doesn’t work in education

definitely doesn’t work in education unless you want to be in the blue pages

unless you want to be in the blue pages

unless you want to be in the blue pages my daughter is not alone in this journey

my daughter is not alone in this journey

my daughter is not alone in this journey there are many children that we have in

there are many children that we have in

there are many children that we have in our school system that are just

our school system that are just

our school system that are just misunderstood this is one of my students

misunderstood this is one of my students

misunderstood this is one of my students that I had last year and before he came

that I had last year and before he came

that I had last year and before he came to our school we were told that he was a

to our school we were told that he was a

to our school we were told that he was a big behavior basically we were told

big behavior basically we were told

big behavior basically we were told watch out and so I did watch out for a

watch out and so I did watch out for a

watch out and so I did watch out for a bit but I didn’t notice that behavior

bit but I didn’t notice that behavior

bit but I didn’t notice that behavior what I noticed was high anxiety

what I noticed was high anxiety

what I noticed was high anxiety reclusiveness he didn’t even want to

reclusiveness he didn’t even want to

reclusiveness he didn’t even want to make friends and so I pulled him aside

make friends and so I pulled him aside

make friends and so I pulled him aside and I said to him hey what’s up and we

and I said to him hey what’s up and we

and I said to him hey what’s up and we had a big long chat but in that

had a big long chat but in that

had a big long chat but in that conversation he goes to me you know mr.

conversation he goes to me you know mr.

conversation he goes to me you know mr. so the other school just thought I was

so the other school just thought I was

so the other school just thought I was annoying I chuckled a little because I

annoying I chuckled a little because I

annoying I chuckled a little because I also said well I think you’re annoying

also said well I think you’re annoying

also said well I think you’re annoying too but I love that part about you in

too but I love that part about you in

too but I love that part about you in fact that’s what makes me like you even

fact that’s what makes me like you even

fact that’s what makes me like you even more

more

more you see this child was not a behavior he

you see this child was not a behavior he

you see this child was not a behavior he was just misunderstood Daniel Seeger

was just misunderstood Daniel Seeger

was just misunderstood Daniel Seeger author of no drama discipline offers

author of no drama discipline offers

author of no drama discipline offers this acronym to think about misbehaviors

this acronym to think about misbehaviors

this acronym to think about misbehaviors he says when you think of MS behaviors

he says when you think of MS behaviors

he says when you think of MS behaviors think of this children act out when they

think of this children act out when they

think of this children act out when they are hungry angry lonely and tired

are hungry angry lonely and tired

are hungry angry lonely and tired in fact most adults do as well I was so

in fact most adults do as well I was so

in fact most adults do as well I was so proud of this student at the end of the

proud of this student at the end of the

proud of this student at the end of the year he came to me and said mr. so I

year he came to me and said mr. so I

year he came to me and said mr. so I can’t control my anger at the moment

can’t control my anger at the moment

can’t control my anger at the moment it’s not the people around me it’s me

it’s not the people around me it’s me

it’s not the people around me it’s me and I need a break I was so proud that

and I need a break I was so proud that

and I need a break I was so proud that he was able to communicate that feeling

he was able to communicate that feeling

he was able to communicate that feeling to me it was truly remarkable I was also

to me it was truly remarkable I was also

to me it was truly remarkable I was also at this point that

at this point that

at this point that Stuart Sheng Kurds were fell in my lap

Stuart Sheng Kurds were fell in my lap

Stuart Sheng Kurds were fell in my lap this has probably been one of the most

this has probably been one of the most

this has probably been one of the most influential pieces of literature that I

influential pieces of literature that I

influential pieces of literature that I have read in a very long time both as an

have read in a very long time both as an

have read in a very long time both as an educator and as a parent Stuart says at

educator and as a parent Stuart says at

educator and as a parent Stuart says at the beginning of his book that he’s

the beginning of his book that he’s

the beginning of his book that he’s never met a bad child I want you to

never met a bad child I want you to

never met a bad child I want you to think about that for a minute because I

think about that for a minute because I

think about that for a minute because I know we’ve all had the stories or heard

know we’ve all had the stories or heard

know we’ve all had the stories or heard those stories of that child in fact I

those stories of that child in fact I

those stories of that child in fact I probably was that child but there’s

probably was that child but there’s

probably was that child but there’s nothing like a healthy dose of reality

nothing like a healthy dose of reality

nothing like a healthy dose of reality to put everything into perspective and

to put everything into perspective and

to put everything into perspective and it was amazing to see huge changes in my

it was amazing to see huge changes in my

it was amazing to see huge changes in my daughter as my wife and I put in some

daughter as my wife and I put in some

daughter as my wife and I put in some places around anxiety

places around anxiety

places around anxiety more importantly the following year her

more importantly the following year her

more importantly the following year her teacher put in some great relationship

teacher put in some great relationship

teacher put in some great relationship building and there was one day that I

building and there was one day that I

building and there was one day that I picked up my daughter from school and

picked up my daughter from school and

picked up my daughter from school and she goes you know what is he came to

she goes you know what is he came to

she goes you know what is he came to school and today I was like old boy she

school and today I was like old boy she

school and today I was like old boy she came in with a goggles and a housecoat

came in with a goggles and a housecoat

came in with a goggles and a housecoat in the middle of September heatwave I

in the middle of September heatwave I

in the middle of September heatwave I was like oh great but she said no it was

was like oh great but she said no it was

was like oh great but she said no it was like The Big Lebowski and I just had to

like The Big Lebowski and I just had to

like The Big Lebowski and I just had to laugh because this teacher understood

laugh because this teacher understood

laugh because this teacher understood who my daughter was in a nutshell she

who my daughter was in a nutshell she

who my daughter was in a nutshell she knew a story that was behind all the

knew a story that was behind all the

knew a story that was behind all the stories and so you can see why when

stories and so you can see why when

stories and so you can see why when Angela stood in from the crowd and said

Angela stood in from the crowd and said

Angela stood in from the crowd and said those two words you matter why those

those two words you matter why those

those two words you matter why those words resonated with me so much in fact

words resonated with me so much in fact

words resonated with me so much in fact it resonated with me so much that I

it resonated with me so much that I

it resonated with me so much that I started at that very moment at you

started at that very moment at you

started at that very moment at you matter board with my students this was a

matter board with my students this was a

matter board with my students this was a board where we could put our dreams our

board where we could put our dreams our

board where we could put our dreams our aspirations we even gave compliments to

aspirations we even gave compliments to

aspirations we even gave compliments to one another and we told stories about

one another and we told stories about

one another and we told stories about one another next to it was at a vice

one another next to it was at a vice

one another next to it was at a vice wall this was a place where kids could

wall this was a place where kids could

wall this was a place where kids could tell other kids of how to be successful

tell other kids of how to be successful

tell other kids of how to be successful you know at first we got listen be nice

you know at first we got listen be nice

you know at first we got listen be nice this is a funny one if mr. so yells at

this is a funny one if mr. so yells at

this is a funny one if mr. so yells at you you probably deserved it

you you probably deserved it

you you probably deserved it but I got these ones as well be with

but I got these ones as well be with

but I got these ones as well be with people who make you better love be

people who make you better love be

people who make you better love be outstanding it was at that moment that I

outstanding it was at that moment that I

outstanding it was at that moment that I saw real change in my students we also

saw real change in my students we also

saw real change in my students we also started community circles community

started community circles community

started community circles community circles for me was a place where we

circles for me was a place where we

circles for me was a place where we could talk about our Dreeben tsa’s talk

could talk about our Dreeben tsa’s talk

could talk about our Dreeben tsa’s talk about our problems that were happening

about our problems that were happening

about our problems that were happening out in the playground we offered no

out in the playground we offered no

out in the playground we offered no names no biases we just talked

names no biases we just talked

names no biases we just talked we offered strategies to one another and

we offered strategies to one another and

we offered strategies to one another and my students really started to mature and

my students really started to mature and

my students really started to mature and grow my principal always asks this

grow my principal always asks this

grow my principal always asks this question to me Jonathan what’s the

question to me Jonathan what’s the

question to me Jonathan what’s the difference that’s making the difference

difference that’s making the difference

difference that’s making the difference and at this moment I didn’t really know

and at this moment I didn’t really know

and at this moment I didn’t really know what to say to them so I asked them I

what to say to them so I asked them I

what to say to them so I asked them I said what is the difference that’s

said what is the difference that’s

said what is the difference that’s making the difference what they said to

making the difference what they said to

making the difference what they said to me you listen it’s like really what what

me you listen it’s like really what what

me you listen it’s like really what what do you mean by that

do you mean by that

do you mean by that I listen yet mister so whether it’s

I listen yet mister so whether it’s

I listen yet mister so whether it’s about a pencil that we lost or it’s an

about a pencil that we lost or it’s an

about a pencil that we lost or it’s an argument with our best friend you listen

argument with our best friend you listen

argument with our best friend you listen to us you don’t offer judgment you

to us you don’t offer judgment you

to us you don’t offer judgment you listen and then offer suggestions Wow

listen and then offer suggestions Wow

listen and then offer suggestions Wow listen I want to offer another story to

listen I want to offer another story to

listen I want to offer another story to you this happened when my daughter was

you this happened when my daughter was

you this happened when my daughter was five years old my daughter wanted to

five years old my daughter wanted to

five years old my daughter wanted to make a fire truck in Minecraft at this

make a fire truck in Minecraft at this

make a fire truck in Minecraft at this point in time I had no idea what

point in time I had no idea what

point in time I had no idea what minecraft was so she goes don’t worry

minecraft was so she goes don’t worry

minecraft was so she goes don’t worry daddy we can YouTube it and so she did

daddy we can YouTube it and so she did

daddy we can YouTube it and so she did she YouTubed it herself and design and

she YouTubed it herself and design and

she YouTubed it herself and design and built a fire truck in Minecraft like all

built a fire truck in Minecraft like all

built a fire truck in Minecraft like all my students is he has an amazing story

my students is he has an amazing story

my students is he has an amazing story and of course downfalls but that’s what

and of course downfalls but that’s what

and of course downfalls but that’s what makes her special for the very first

makes her special for the very first

makes her special for the very first time last year I had an emotional

time last year I had an emotional

time last year I had an emotional connection to my students I’ve never had

connection to my students I’ve never had

connection to my students I’ve never had before

before

before now for those of you know me you can

now for those of you know me you can

now for those of you know me you can even ask my wife I’m traditionally not

even ask my wife I’m traditionally not

even ask my wife I’m traditionally not an emotional person but I cried almost

an emotional person but I cried almost

an emotional person but I cried almost putting together the slideshow at the

putting together the slideshow at the

putting together the slideshow at the end of the year it was because I knew

end of the year it was because I knew

end of the year it was because I knew who my students were as if I knew my own

who my students were as if I knew my own

who my students were as if I knew my own kids we’ve heard amazing things today

kids we’ve heard amazing things today

kids we’ve heard amazing things today you are amazing people or you wouldn’t

you are amazing people or you wouldn’t

you are amazing people or you wouldn’t be spending the last hour and even then

be spending the last hour and even then

be spending the last hour and even then more so

more so

more so listening to amazing talks you know of

listening to amazing talks you know of

listening to amazing talks you know of all the truly innovative classrooms that

all the truly innovative classrooms that

all the truly innovative classrooms that we have heard about or seen in the news

we have heard about or seen in the news

we have heard about or seen in the news but I want to ask you one thing if

but I want to ask you one thing if

but I want to ask you one thing if children don’t want to be there does all

children don’t want to be there does all

children don’t want to be there does all of that really matter when Angela said

of that really matter when Angela said

of that really matter when Angela said those two words you matter they will

those two words you matter they will

those two words you matter they will change lives they will affect the future

change lives they will affect the future

change lives they will affect the future I asked you at the beginning of the talk

I asked you at the beginning of the talk

I asked you at the beginning of the talk to think about that one thing students

to think about that one thing students

to think about that one thing students and children want to matter and I hope

and children want to matter and I hope

and children want to matter and I hope you have because when our children our

you have because when our children our

you have because when our children our students know that they are loved

students know that they are loved

students know that they are loved welcomed part of a community they will

welcomed part of a community they will

welcomed part of a community they will do anything for you so am i in this talk

do anything for you so am i in this talk

do anything for you so am i in this talk today by saying thank you and know this

today by saying thank you and know this

today by saying thank you and know this each and every one of you today matter

each and every one of you today matter

each and every one of you today matter to me

to me

to me [Applause]

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