[Music] yeah
[Music]
[Music] [Applause]
I’ve a shovel was monkey Donna
I’ve a shovel was monkey Donna [Music]
No
No I wish were lucky Donna
I wish were lucky Donna
I wish were lucky Donna show me buddy
[Music]
[Music] I’ve a shovel
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[Music] mashallah
mashallah
mashallah [Music]
[Music]
[Music] would engage anyone
you okay kissing is away
you okay kissing is away but more some evening
but more some evening
but more some evening [Music]
[Music]
[Music] [Applause]
would be number seaboard a do you Jenna
would be number seaboard a do you Jenna ha
see bother do each other
see bother do each other [Music]
Oh
Oh [Applause]
[Music]
[Music] hard the same wound that
hard the same wound that
hard the same wound that Hey
Hey
Hey [Music]
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[Music] boobers mother
love romance amour at all was part of a
love romance amour at all was part of a performance
the art of a woman disc one composition
the art of a woman disc one composition talked about a romance a night of
talked about a romance a night of
talked about a romance a night of Italians between a man and a woman they
Italians between a man and a woman they
Italians between a man and a woman they were a section of women artists and I’m
were a section of women artists and I’m
were a section of women artists and I’m talking about almost 200 years back
which were largely known as the derives
which were largely known as the derives or the courtesans they performed the art
or the courtesans they performed the art
or the courtesans they performed the art of amore love romance and we in a way
of amore love romance and we in a way
of amore love romance and we in a way shamed them for doing that what is our
shamed them for doing that what is our
shamed them for doing that what is our indie film industry today
indie film industry today
indie film industry today Bollywood sells romance Bollywood sells
Bollywood sells romance Bollywood sells
Bollywood sells romance Bollywood sells amore we are comfortable with the idea
amore we are comfortable with the idea
amore we are comfortable with the idea of a film actress depicting that but we
of a film actress depicting that but we
of a film actress depicting that but we are not comfortable with the idea
are not comfortable with the idea
are not comfortable with the idea offered the way of depicting that we
offered the way of depicting that we
offered the way of depicting that we today have created two different
today have created two different
today have created two different standards for
now when I talk about the art of this
now when I talk about the art of this woman the courtesan this is a
woman the courtesan this is a
woman the courtesan this is a deliberately dead performing that we
deliberately dead performing that we
deliberately dead performing that we have killed it now what happened during
have killed it now what happened during
have killed it now what happened during the generations we liked the Anarkali
the generations we liked the Anarkali
the generations we liked the Anarkali that the courtesan wore so the market is
that the courtesan wore so the market is
that the courtesan wore so the market is flooded with the Anarkali s we liked the
flooded with the Anarkali s we liked the
flooded with the Anarkali s we liked the rumor that the courtesans wore
rumor that the courtesans wore
rumor that the courtesans wore the weddings flooded with the you know
the weddings flooded with the you know
the weddings flooded with the you know the jewelry we light certain you know
the jewelry we light certain you know
the jewelry we light certain you know the freshy pajamas that they wore you
the freshy pajamas that they wore you
the freshy pajamas that they wore you see India is flooded with furry pajamas
see India is flooded with furry pajamas
see India is flooded with furry pajamas we light Gaza what they performed today
we light Gaza what they performed today
we light Gaza what they performed today you have innumerable gazelle artists and
you have innumerable gazelle artists and
you have innumerable gazelle artists and you have dazzles in Bollywood foods they
you have dazzles in Bollywood foods they
you have dazzles in Bollywood foods they performed to marry we like to marry so
performed to marry we like to marry so
performed to marry we like to marry so we took that so from that one woman that
we took that so from that one woman that
we took that so from that one woman that one woman who performed a certain art we
one woman who performed a certain art we
one woman who performed a certain art we took this bit that bit that bit that bit
took this bit that bit that bit that bit
took this bit that bit that bit that bit that bit we’ve taken everything snatched
that bit we’ve taken everything snatched
that bit we’ve taken everything snatched it from her and never given the credit
it from her and never given the credit
it from her and never given the credit to her we’ve always said oh they are the
to her we’ve always said oh they are the
to her we’ve always said oh they are the fallen women we’re in this framework
fallen women we’re in this framework
fallen women we’re in this framework does that aspect come from when we talk
does that aspect come from when we talk
does that aspect come from when we talk about art the first thing that you know
about art the first thing that you know
about art the first thing that you know comes to the mind is that art is –
comes to the mind is that art is –
comes to the mind is that art is – gender the art should be first the
gender the art should be first the
gender the art should be first the performer who’s performing that whether
performer who’s performing that whether
performer who’s performing that whether it’s a man and a woman should be the
it’s a man and a woman should be the
it’s a man and a woman should be the secondary aspect that cannot be the
secondary aspect that cannot be the
secondary aspect that cannot be the first aspect because art is art itself
first aspect because art is art itself
first aspect because art is art itself it is open to both genders equally
it is open to both genders equally
it is open to both genders equally somewhere in our own mindset will not
somewhere in our own mindset will not
somewhere in our own mindset will not question those things
question those things
question those things has been a huge you know discrimination
has been a huge you know discrimination
has been a huge you know discrimination in terms of gender for the artists so
in terms of gender for the artists so
in terms of gender for the artists so what happened when we look back to those
what happened when we look back to those
what happened when we look back to those times and I’m not looking back very back
times and I’m not looking back very back
times and I’m not looking back very back I’m just looking back about 100 200
I’m just looking back about 100 200
I’m just looking back about 100 200 years back which which is a well
years back which which is a well
years back which which is a well memorized history what did we do the
memorized history what did we do the
memorized history what did we do the society we did not have concert halls
society we did not have concert halls
society we did not have concert halls where you know the performances could be
where you know the performances could be
where you know the performances could be held we did not have films we did not
held we did not have films we did not
held we did not have films we did not have multimedia barely hundred years
have multimedia barely hundred years
have multimedia barely hundred years back we had you know the recordings the
back we had you know the recordings the
back we had you know the recordings the gramophone recordings before that we did
gramophone recordings before that we did
gramophone recordings before that we did not have that either so what was
not have that either so what was
not have that either so what was entertainment it was an actual live
entertainment it was an actual live
entertainment it was an actual live singing and dancing now when we look
singing and dancing now when we look
singing and dancing now when we look back at that time there was no
back at that time there was no
back at that time there was no government patronage there were no
government patronage there were no
government patronage there were no concert halls where would a performance
concert halls where would a performance
concert halls where would a performance happen it would the special performances
happen it would the special performances
happen it would the special performances like we have today that I would proudly
like we have today that I would proudly
like we have today that I would proudly say oh I performed at the president’s
say oh I performed at the president’s
say oh I performed at the president’s house I performed at the Parliament
house I performed at the Parliament
house I performed at the Parliament House now it’s a sense of pride for me
House now it’s a sense of pride for me
House now it’s a sense of pride for me today to say that the similar was then
today to say that the similar was then
today to say that the similar was then the patronage was the my Raja or the
the patronage was the my Raja or the
the patronage was the my Raja or the Nawab so the artist would actually
Nawab so the artist would actually
Nawab so the artist would actually perform in that space and that was a
perform in that space and that was a
perform in that space and that was a sense of pride when I say a two hundred
sense of pride when I say a two hundred
sense of pride when I say a two hundred years back or during that time even
years back or during that time even
years back or during that time even hundred years back both men and women
hundred years back both men and women
hundred years back both men and women were perceiving arts so when we had
were perceiving arts so when we had
were perceiving arts so when we had women singing to Murray Dada gazelle we
women singing to Murray Dada gazelle we
women singing to Murray Dada gazelle we had men singing that too we had women
had men singing that too we had women
had men singing that too we had women sing dancing katuk we had men I’m not
sing dancing katuk we had men I’m not
sing dancing katuk we had men I’m not touching the South the southern India my
touching the South the southern India my
touching the South the southern India my subject is more northern India so we had
subject is more northern India so we had
subject is more northern India so we had women doing kata but we had men doing
women doing kata but we had men doing
women doing kata but we had men doing got her to similar spaces
got her to similar spaces
got her to similar spaces the men were dancing in the courts have
the men were dancing in the courts have
the men were dancing in the courts have dinner parts the women were dancing in
dinner parts the women were dancing in
dinner parts the women were dancing in the courts
the courts
the courts what did we do we made the men into
what did we do we made the men into
what did we do we made the men into those thoughts and the women into the
those thoughts and the women into the
those thoughts and the women into the notch girls what a notch neighborly here
notch girls what a notch neighborly here
notch girls what a notch neighborly here I’ve almost are there they are doing
I’ve almost are there they are doing
I’ve almost are there they are doing exactly the same thing so now when we
exactly the same thing so now when we
exactly the same thing so now when we look at how even our recent history has
look at how even our recent history has
look at how even our recent history has shaped up it has shaped it very
shaped up it has shaped it very
shaped up it has shaped it very differently because if you see it has
differently because if you see it has
differently because if you see it has been written by patriarchy women were
been written by patriarchy women were
been written by patriarchy women were not writing histories it was usually the
not writing histories it was usually the
not writing histories it was usually the men who were writing the Chronicles so
men who were writing the Chronicles so
men who were writing the Chronicles so obviously it was a male perspective
obviously it was a male perspective
obviously it was a male perspective there are instances where you know in my
there are instances where you know in my
there are instances where you know in my research I found that a very celebrated
research I found that a very celebrated
research I found that a very celebrated united by Dara Valley she was a people
united by Dara Valley she was a people
united by Dara Valley she was a people don’t even know her name
don’t even know her name
don’t even know her name very celebrated the life of her times
very celebrated the life of her times
very celebrated the life of her times her accompanist was stalked by columella
her accompanist was stalked by columella
her accompanist was stalked by columella Casa now from my mind if you see that
Casa now from my mind if you see that
Casa now from my mind if you see that woman must have been such a brilliant
woman must have been such a brilliant
woman must have been such a brilliant artist to have irregular Malik Hassad as
artist to have irregular Malik Hassad as
artist to have irregular Malik Hassad as her accompanist see if I am performing
her accompanist see if I am performing
her accompanist see if I am performing today I do not have sake rosin as my
today I do not have sake rosin as my
today I do not have sake rosin as my accompanist there’s a certain caliber of
accompanist there’s a certain caliber of
accompanist there’s a certain caliber of artists that you have so I openly say I
artists that you have so I openly say I
artists that you have so I openly say I as a concern cannot be my accompanist
as a concern cannot be my accompanist
as a concern cannot be my accompanist you know he’s way ahead than what I am
you know he’s way ahead than what I am
you know he’s way ahead than what I am now so to have that but do we know the
now so to have that but do we know the
now so to have that but do we know the name of that woman
name of that woman
name of that woman we do not we’ve wiped her out from the
we do not we’ve wiped her out from the
we do not we’ve wiped her out from the performing arts history because there
performing arts history because there
performing arts history because there was a sudden change of the time you know
was a sudden change of the time you know
was a sudden change of the time you know the the these princely states were
the the these princely states were
the the these princely states were annexed so the patronage went off they
annexed so the patronage went off they
annexed so the patronage went off they did not know where to go there was
did not know where to go there was
did not know where to go there was nobody who made a bridge for these women
nobody who made a bridge for these women
nobody who made a bridge for these women because they did not count but we did
because they did not count but we did
because they did not count but we did not have agencies or you know
not have agencies or you know
not have agencies or you know support systems that could have made
support systems that could have made
support systems that could have made those in roads and bridges to get these
those in roads and bridges to get these
those in roads and bridges to get these people into the same format so what
people into the same format so what
people into the same format so what happens is now what you saw performance
happens is now what you saw performance
happens is now what you saw performance it was a very intimate performance you
it was a very intimate performance you
it was a very intimate performance you know so the the words the the rod the
know so the the words the the rod the
know so the the words the the rod the movements everything is structured to
movements everything is structured to
movements everything is structured to create a certain impact now that impact
create a certain impact now that impact
create a certain impact now that impact was largely when which was the
was largely when which was the
was largely when which was the courtesans or the derailleurs was around
courtesans or the derailleurs was around
courtesans or the derailleurs was around romance so somewhere we have put
romance so somewhere we have put
romance so somewhere we have put different standards for a men performers
different standards for a men performers
different standards for a men performers and women performers secondly for
and women performers secondly for
and women performers secondly for certain performers whose art we were not
certain performers whose art we were not
certain performers whose art we were not able to understand when Bollywood showed
able to understand when Bollywood showed
able to understand when Bollywood showed it we understood but when they performed
it we understood but when they performed
it we understood but when they performed live we did not understand because it
live we did not understand because it
live we did not understand because it was an intimate performance now that
was an intimate performance now that
was an intimate performance now that intimate performance you put that artist
intimate performance you put that artist
intimate performance you put that artist on a huge stage of 2,000 people that
on a huge stage of 2,000 people that
on a huge stage of 2,000 people that artist doesn’t know how to connect they
artist doesn’t know how to connect they
artist doesn’t know how to connect they were used to doing a performance in her
were used to doing a performance in her
were used to doing a performance in her method where they could see the reaction
method where they could see the reaction
method where they could see the reaction of people so supposing if somebody is
of people so supposing if somebody is
of people so supposing if somebody is nodding their head at a certain gutter
nodding their head at a certain gutter
nodding their head at a certain gutter they would continue it for a little
they would continue it for a little
they would continue it for a little longer time now juxtapose this artist
longer time now juxtapose this artist
longer time now juxtapose this artist into a big concert hall where the
into a big concert hall where the
into a big concert hall where the audience is dark and the artist is lost
audience is dark and the artist is lost
audience is dark and the artist is lost so even few performers who continued
so even few performers who continued
so even few performers who continued performing and gradually became lost
performing and gradually became lost
performing and gradually became lost because they couldn’t see the audience
because they couldn’t see the audience
because they couldn’t see the audience if you go in a concert hall today the
if you go in a concert hall today the
if you go in a concert hall today the audience is pitch dark but nobody
audience is pitch dark but nobody
audience is pitch dark but nobody thought of that small thing but light in
thought of that small thing but light in
thought of that small thing but light in the audience let them sing small things
the audience let them sing small things
the audience let them sing small things which would have made them comfortable
which would have made them comfortable
which would have made them comfortable which would have led the artform survive
which would have led the artform survive
which would have led the artform survive even today how am I able to say that if
even today how am I able to say that if
even today how am I able to say that if somebody has had not kept it a life of
somebody has had not kept it a life of
somebody has had not kept it a life of 500 years for me to be able to perform
500 years for me to be able to perform
500 years for me to be able to perform I feel that somewhere that other
I feel that somewhere that other
I feel that somewhere that other narrative is very important it’s it’s
narrative is very important it’s it’s
narrative is very important it’s it’s not that arts is just a hobby art is the
not that arts is just a hobby art is the
not that arts is just a hobby art is the only thing that touches your whole life
only thing that touches your whole life
only thing that touches your whole life it has that power sit in a concert hall
it has that power sit in a concert hall
it has that power sit in a concert hall lights are dim an artist is performing
lights are dim an artist is performing
lights are dim an artist is performing you’re defenseless at that point of time
you’re defenseless at that point of time
you’re defenseless at that point of time that artist can actually do anything to
that artist can actually do anything to
that artist can actually do anything to you that is the power of art and that is
you that is the power of art and that is
you that is the power of art and that is the power that we need to keep alive I
the power that we need to keep alive I
the power that we need to keep alive I may say that I’m in Lucknow which
may say that I’m in Lucknow which
may say that I’m in Lucknow which actually was the hallmark City for art
actually was the hallmark City for art
actually was the hallmark City for art and culture and this was where you know
and culture and this was where you know
and culture and this was where you know the great finesse came up which every
the great finesse came up which every
the great finesse came up which every fashion designer today is copying and
fashion designer today is copying and
fashion designer today is copying and minting money was because of these
minting money was because of these
minting money was because of these survives who were fashionistas of their
survives who were fashionistas of their
survives who were fashionistas of their times they were film stars they were
times they were film stars they were
times they were film stars they were fashion ear stars they were performers
fashion ear stars they were performers
fashion ear stars they were performers artists and most of the time poets all
artists and most of the time poets all
artists and most of the time poets all rolled into one woman that was their
rolled into one woman that was their
rolled into one woman that was their credibility that was how incredible
credibility that was how incredible
credibility that was how incredible these women were nabobs harem poor who
these women were nabobs harem poor who
these women were nabobs harem poor who had written compositions
had written compositions
had written compositions so there are headings in that so one is
so there are headings in that so one is
so there are headings in that so one is titled Leith one is titled gazelle
titled Leith one is titled gazelle
titled Leith one is titled gazelle one is to marry one is Jabara one is
one is to marry one is Jabara one is
one is to marry one is Jabara one is mudra so there’s a set of poetry which
mudra so there’s a set of poetry which
mudra so there’s a set of poetry which was performed but today because we do
was performed but today because we do
was performed but today because we do not know that meaning we only know a
not know that meaning we only know a
not know that meaning we only know a certain meaning which we also see it
certain meaning which we also see it
certain meaning which we also see it with a certain stigma and we have not
with a certain stigma and we have not
with a certain stigma and we have not let it go we have not even tried to talk
let it go we have not even tried to talk
let it go we have not even tried to talk about it
about it
about it because again it becomes you know a lot
because again it becomes you know a lot
because again it becomes you know a lot of gender issue into it agreed it is
of gender issue into it agreed it is
of gender issue into it agreed it is there I openly said that it’s very easy
there I openly said that it’s very easy
there I openly said that it’s very easy to say that a person is house thought
to say that a person is house thought
to say that a person is house thought but this is only a dancer Assad or a
but this is only a dancer Assad or a
but this is only a dancer Assad or a guru so you know we have that male
guru so you know we have that male
guru so you know we have that male dominance and we are not
dominance and we are not
dominance and we are not it go I have no clue why because when we
it go I have no clue why because when we
it go I have no clue why because when we talk about you know empowerment and
talk about you know empowerment and
talk about you know empowerment and women going here and there
women going here and there
women going here and there we’re not even looking into it we still
we’re not even looking into it we still
we’re not even looking into it we still go back and say oh guru ji or estado
go back and say oh guru ji or estado
go back and say oh guru ji or estado would be only me you know men women
would be only me you know men women
would be only me you know men women cannot be guru tienes that why they will
cannot be guru tienes that why they will
cannot be guru tienes that why they will equal performers and at times better
equal performers and at times better
equal performers and at times better than their male counterparts so these
than their male counterparts so these
than their male counterparts so these are our own histories not very old that
are our own histories not very old that
are our own histories not very old that you cannot find there very recent
you cannot find there very recent
you cannot find there very recent histories where we we have sort of
histories where we we have sort of
histories where we we have sort of deliberately let an art form die not for
deliberately let an art form die not for
deliberately let an art form die not for want of patronage but for want of a
want of patronage but for want of a
want of patronage but for want of a social standing stigmatizing those women
social standing stigmatizing those women
social standing stigmatizing those women not letting them perform telling them
not letting them perform telling them
not letting them perform telling them they were not worth it it is a horrible
they were not worth it it is a horrible
they were not worth it it is a horrible life for an artist to live to be told
life for an artist to live to be told
life for an artist to live to be told that your art is not worth it and then
that your art is not worth it and then
that your art is not worth it and then people like me take it to some 30
people like me take it to some 30
people like me take it to some 30 countries and say oh it’s very worth it
countries and say oh it’s very worth it
countries and say oh it’s very worth it it so we must find ways to bridge or
it so we must find ways to bridge or
it so we must find ways to bridge or today’s dancer with the erstwhile
today’s dancer with the erstwhile
today’s dancer with the erstwhile courtesan and bring them on a similar
courtesan and bring them on a similar
courtesan and bring them on a similar platform of respectability why question
platform of respectability why question
platform of respectability why question why we are thinking this question
why we are thinking this question
why we are thinking this question question question question and you will
question question question and you will
question question question and you will realize that you were thinking was wrong
realize that you were thinking was wrong
realize that you were thinking was wrong you were not right in what you were
you were not right in what you were
you were not right in what you were thinking so I leave with this
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