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The healing power of love & intimacy | Dean Ornish | TEDxBerkeley


the last 40 years I’ve directed a series

the last 40 years I’ve directed a series of studies showing what a powerful

of studies showing what a powerful

of studies showing what a powerful difference changes in diet and lifestyle

difference changes in diet and lifestyle

difference changes in diet and lifestyle can make you know simple changes a Whole

can make you know simple changes a Whole

can make you know simple changes a Whole Foods plant-based diet that’s naturally

Foods plant-based diet that’s naturally

Foods plant-based diet that’s naturally low in fat and sugar various stress

low in fat and sugar various stress

low in fat and sugar various stress management techniques including

management techniques including

management techniques including meditation and yoga moderate exercise

meditation and yoga moderate exercise

meditation and yoga moderate exercise and what we call psychosocial support or

and what we call psychosocial support or

and what we call psychosocial support or reduce it even further to eat well move

reduce it even further to eat well move

reduce it even further to eat well move more stress less love more that’s it and

more stress less love more that’s it and

more stress less love more that’s it and it’s it’s creating a field called

it’s it’s creating a field called

it’s it’s creating a field called lifestyle medicine which is using

lifestyle medicine which is using

lifestyle medicine which is using lifestyle changes not only to help

lifestyle changes not only to help

lifestyle changes not only to help prevent disease but actually to treat it

prevent disease but actually to treat it

prevent disease but actually to treat it and often even reverse it and so we’ve

and often even reverse it and so we’ve

and often even reverse it and so we’ve used for the last 40 years these very

used for the last 40 years these very

used for the last 40 years these very high-tech expensive state-of-the-art

high-tech expensive state-of-the-art

high-tech expensive state-of-the-art scientific measures to prove how

scientific measures to prove how

scientific measures to prove how powerful these very ancient and and and

powerful these very ancient and and and

powerful these very ancient and and and and and powerful approaches these can be

and and powerful approaches these can be

and and powerful approaches these can be you know the more diseases that we’ve

you know the more diseases that we’ve

you know the more diseases that we’ve studied in the more underlying

studied in the more underlying

studied in the more underlying biological mechanisms we look at the

biological mechanisms we look at the

biological mechanisms we look at the more reasons we have to explain why

more reasons we have to explain why

more reasons we have to explain why these changes are so powerful and how

these changes are so powerful and how

these changes are so powerful and how quickly they can occur and I think these

quickly they can occur and I think these

quickly they can occur and I think these findings are giving literally millions

findings are giving literally millions

findings are giving literally millions of people new hope and new choices but

of people new hope and new choices but

of people new hope and new choices but what I want to focus on today is what I

what I want to focus on today is what I

what I want to focus on today is what I consider the most important epidemic

consider the most important epidemic

consider the most important epidemic which is the epidemic of loneliness and

which is the epidemic of loneliness and

which is the epidemic of loneliness and isolation and depression you know 50

isolation and depression you know 50

isolation and depression you know 50 years ago there’s no no I mean it’s been

years ago there’s no no I mean it’s been

years ago there’s no no I mean it’s been a radical transformation in our society

a radical transformation in our society

a radical transformation in our society 50 years ago people most people had an

50 years ago people most people had an

50 years ago people most people had an extended family they saw regularly they

extended family they saw regularly they

extended family they saw regularly they had a job that felt secure that they’d

had a job that felt secure that they’d

had a job that felt secure that they’d been out for ten years or more and so

been out for ten years or more and so

been out for ten years or more and so had their colleagues so they got to know

had their colleagues so they got to know

had their colleagues so they got to know each other they had two or three

each other they had two or three

each other they had two or three generations of people living in a

generations of people living in a

generations of people living in a neighborhood they had a church or

neighborhood they had a church or

neighborhood they had a church or synagogue they went to regulate and most

synagogue they went to regulate and most

synagogue they went to regulate and most people today don’t have any of those and

people today don’t have any of those and

people today don’t have any of those and part of the value of research is it can

part of the value of research is it can

part of the value of research is it can raise awareness and awareness to me is

raise awareness and awareness to me is

raise awareness and awareness to me is always the first step in healing and

always the first step in healing and

always the first step in healing and part of what we’re learning from these

part of what we’re learning from these

part of what we’re learning from these studies is that study after study are

studies is that study after study are

studies is that study after study are showing that people who are lonely and

showing that people who are lonely and

showing that people who are lonely and depressed and isolated are three to ten

depressed and isolated are three to ten

depressed and isolated are three to ten times more likely to get sick and die

times more likely to get sick and die

times more likely to get sick and die prematurely from pretty much all causes

prematurely from pretty much all causes

prematurely from pretty much all causes when compared to those who have a sense

when compared to those who have a sense

when compared to those who have a sense of love and connection in the community

of love and connection in the community

of love and connection in the community and I don’t know anything in medicine

and I don’t know anything in medicine

and I don’t know anything in medicine that has that powerful an impact and so

that has that powerful an impact and so

that has that powerful an impact and so one of the reasons why growing up in a

one of the reasons why growing up in a

one of the reasons why growing up in a family or with two or three generations

family or with two or three generations

family or with two or three generations of people is that people actually know

of people is that people actually know

of people is that people actually know you they don’t just know your facebook

you they don’t just know your facebook

you they don’t just know your facebook profile or your biosketch they know when

profile or your biosketch they know when

profile or your biosketch they know when you messed up you know they saw you

you messed up you know they saw you

you messed up you know they saw you whatever it was they know your demons

whatever it was they know your demons

whatever it was they know your demons they know your problems and

they know your problems and

they know your problems and you know that they know and they know

you know that they know and they know

you know that they know and they know that you know that they know and there’s

that you know that they know and there’s

that you know that they know and there’s something very primal about being seen

something very primal about being seen

something very primal about being seen in that way it’s kind of like in James

in that way it’s kind of like in James

in that way it’s kind of like in James Cameron’s movie Avatar you know I see

Cameron’s movie Avatar you know I see

Cameron’s movie Avatar you know I see you you know it’s sort which is really

you you know it’s sort which is really

you you know it’s sort which is really from an African proverb just being seen

from an African proverb just being seen

from an African proverb just being seen in all of who you are or warts and all

in all of who you are or warts and all

in all of who you are or warts and all is incredibly powerful and so it’s not

is incredibly powerful and so it’s not

is incredibly powerful and so it’s not enough we’ve learned you know I’m doing

enough we’ve learned you know I’m doing

enough we’ve learned you know I’m doing these studies I’ve asked people you know

these studies I’ve asked people you know

these studies I’ve asked people you know why do you smoke and why do you overeat

why do you smoke and why do you overeat

why do you smoke and why do you overeat and drink too much and work too hard and

and drink too much and work too hard and

and drink too much and work too hard and abuse substances these behaviors seem

abuse substances these behaviors seem

abuse substances these behaviors seem some maladaptive and they look at me

some maladaptive and they look at me

some maladaptive and they look at me they go you don’t get it you don’t have

they go you don’t get it you don’t have

they go you don’t get it you don’t have a clue these behaviors are maladaptive

a clue these behaviors are maladaptive

a clue these behaviors are maladaptive they’re very adaptive because they help

they’re very adaptive because they help

they’re very adaptive because they help us deal with our loneliness our

us deal with our loneliness our

us deal with our loneliness our depression or isolation they’ll say

depression or isolation they’ll say

depression or isolation they’ll say things like you know I I’ve got 20

things like you know I I’ve got 20

things like you know I I’ve got 20 friends in this pack of cigarettes and

friends in this pack of cigarettes and

friends in this pack of cigarettes and they’re always there for me and nobody

they’re always there for me and nobody

they’re always there for me and nobody else is you’re gonna take away my 20

else is you’re gonna take away my 20

else is you’re gonna take away my 20 friends what are you gonna give me you

friends what are you gonna give me you

friends what are you gonna give me you know or food fills that void or fat

know or food fills that void or fat

know or food fills that void or fat coats my nerves and numbs the pain or

coats my nerves and numbs the pain or

coats my nerves and numbs the pain or alcohol or other drugs numb the pain

alcohol or other drugs numb the pain

alcohol or other drugs numb the pain that’s why we have an opioid epidemic

that’s why we have an opioid epidemic

that’s why we have an opioid epidemic it’s just part of a larger issue or

it’s just part of a larger issue or

it’s just part of a larger issue or video games numb the pain or more

video games numb the pain or more

video games numb the pain or more socially acceptable way is working all

socially acceptable way is working all

socially acceptable way is working all the time numbs the pain we’ve all done

the time numbs the pain we’ve all done

the time numbs the pain we’ve all done that and so we can’t just give people

that and so we can’t just give people

that and so we can’t just give people information we can’t just you know focus

information we can’t just you know focus

information we can’t just you know focus on the behavior we have to focus on

on the behavior we have to focus on

on the behavior we have to focus on these deeper issues because ultimately

these deeper issues because ultimately

these deeper issues because ultimately that’s what makes them sustainable and I

that’s what makes them sustainable and I

that’s what makes them sustainable and I first got interested in this in my own

first got interested in this in my own

first got interested in this in my own life when I was a freshman in college at

life when I was a freshman in college at

life when I was a freshman in college at Rice University in Houston and became

Rice University in Houston and became

Rice University in Houston and became suicide depressed and came about as

suicide depressed and came about as

suicide depressed and came about as close to killing myself as you can

close to killing myself as you can

close to killing myself as you can without actually doing it it wasn’t in

without actually doing it it wasn’t in

without actually doing it it wasn’t in the course catalog but it turned out I

the course catalog but it turned out I

the course catalog but it turned out I later found out that the highest suicide

later found out that the highest suicide

later found out that the highest suicide rate per capita of any school in the

rate per capita of any school in the

rate per capita of any school in the country and I became suicidal because

country and I became suicidal because

country and I became suicidal because not only did I feel like I was stupid

not only did I feel like I was stupid

not only did I feel like I was stupid but I felt like I could take all the

but I felt like I could take all the

but I felt like I could take all the meaning out of everything you know so

meaning out of everything you know so

meaning out of everything you know so what big deal

what big deal

what big deal who cares nothing matters why bother you

who cares nothing matters why bother you

who cares nothing matters why bother you know all the usual things like that and

know all the usual things like that and

know all the usual things like that and it became a you know depression severe

it became a you know depression severe

it became a you know depression severe depression is a real reality distortion

depression is a real reality distortion

depression is a real reality distortion field as Steve Jobs used to talk about

field as Steve Jobs used to talk about

field as Steve Jobs used to talk about in other words you think you’re seeing

in other words you think you’re seeing

in other words you think you’re seeing things clearly for the first time things

things clearly for the first time things

things clearly for the first time things are bad they’ll always be bad they’ve

are bad they’ll always be bad they’ve

are bad they’ll always be bad they’ve always been bad and anytime you thought

always been bad and anytime you thought

always been bad and anytime you thought otherwise you were just fooling yourself

otherwise you were just fooling yourself

otherwise you were just fooling yourself and that’s where the the hallmark of

and that’s where the the hallmark of

and that’s where the the hallmark of depression which is the helplessness and

depression which is the helplessness and

depression which is the helplessness and hopelessness comes from is that belief

hopelessness comes from is that belief

hopelessness comes from is that belief that things are always going to be bad

that things are always going to be bad

that things are always going to be bad and so there’s an old saying that when

and so there’s an old saying that when

and so there’s an old saying that when the student is ready the teacher appears

the student is ready the teacher appears

the student is ready the teacher appears and for me what really saved

and for me what really saved

and for me what really saved was an ecumenical spiritual teacher

was an ecumenical spiritual teacher

was an ecumenical spiritual teacher named Swami Satchidananda and he taught

named Swami Satchidananda and he taught

named Swami Satchidananda and he taught me that I was looking in the wrong place

me that I was looking in the wrong place

me that I was looking in the wrong place for my health and my well-being he he

for my health and my well-being he he

for my health and my well-being he he liked to make puns people would say what

liked to make puns people would say what

liked to make puns people would say what are you a Hindu he’d say no I’m an undo

are you a Hindu he’d say no I’m an undo

are you a Hindu he’d say no I’m an undo you know and and he helped me learn

you know and and he helped me learn

you know and and he helped me learn where do peace and health really come

where do peace and health really come

where do peace and health really come from and that’s really the central focus

from and that’s really the central focus

from and that’s really the central focus of what I want to talk about today

of what I want to talk about today

of what I want to talk about today because our whole culture the whole

because our whole culture the whole

because our whole culture the whole advertising industry teaches is it comes

advertising industry teaches is it comes

advertising industry teaches is it comes from outside ourselves just yet

from outside ourselves just yet

from outside ourselves just yet more stuff more accomplished more more

more stuff more accomplished more more

more stuff more accomplished more more money more whatever then you’ll be happy

money more whatever then you’ll be happy

money more whatever then you’ll be happy and the problem is that the you know

and the problem is that the you know

and the problem is that the you know once you buy into that view of the world

once you buy into that view of the world

once you buy into that view of the world until you however it turns out you feel

until you however it turns out you feel

until you however it turns out you feel bad if only I had more whatever then I’d

bad if only I had more whatever then I’d

bad if only I had more whatever then I’d be happy until you get it you’re unhappy

be happy until you get it you’re unhappy

be happy until you get it you’re unhappy by definition if someone else gets it

by definition if someone else gets it

by definition if someone else gets it and you don’t then you’re really unhappy

and you don’t then you’re really unhappy

and you don’t then you’re really unhappy and makes you feel like we live in this

and makes you feel like we live in this

and makes you feel like we live in this zero sum game dog-eat-dog world the more

zero sum game dog-eat-dog world the more

zero sum game dog-eat-dog world the more you get the lesser is for me if you

you get the lesser is for me if you

you get the lesser is for me if you never get it your bed and if you get it

never get it your bed and if you get it

never get it your bed and if you get it it’s seductive in the moment it’s like I

it’s seductive in the moment it’s like I

it’s seductive in the moment it’s like I got it it’s mine but it doesn’t usually

got it it’s mine but it doesn’t usually

got it it’s mine but it doesn’t usually last it’s usually followed either by now

last it’s usually followed either by now

last it’s usually followed either by now what you know one patient told me I

what you know one patient told me I

what you know one patient told me I can’t even enjoy the view from the

can’t even enjoy the view from the

can’t even enjoy the view from the mountain I’ve climbed the MARTA looking

mountain I’ve climbed the MARTA looking

mountain I’ve climbed the MARTA looking over the next one or so what big deal it

over the next one or so what big deal it

over the next one or so what big deal it doesn’t really provide that lasting

doesn’t really provide that lasting

doesn’t really provide that lasting meaning that I thought it would and

meaning that I thought it would and

meaning that I thought it would and another you know patients said you know

another you know patients said you know

another you know patients said you know the the the letdown that comes from

the the the letdown that comes from

the the the letdown that comes from accomplishing the goal is so great I

accomplishing the goal is so great I

accomplishing the goal is so great I always make sure I have a dozen projects

always make sure I have a dozen projects

always make sure I have a dozen projects going at the same time but what I

going at the same time but what I

going at the same time but what I learned from the Swami and really it’s

learned from the Swami and really it’s

learned from the Swami and really it’s part of all spiritual traditions is that

part of all spiritual traditions is that

part of all spiritual traditions is that the peace and health are there already

the peace and health are there already

the peace and health are there already it’s not something you have to get it’s

it’s not something you have to get it’s

it’s not something you have to get it’s something that we have already and that

something that we have already and that

something that we have already and that the goal of all these different

the goal of all these different

the goal of all these different practices meditation and yoga and prayer

practices meditation and yoga and prayer

practices meditation and yoga and prayer and whatever it is that you happen to do

and whatever it is that you happen to do

and whatever it is that you happen to do is not that they bring you a sense of

is not that they bring you a sense of

is not that they bring you a sense of peace and well-being but rather they

peace and well-being but rather they

peace and well-being but rather they help us quiet down our mind and body to

help us quiet down our mind and body to

help us quiet down our mind and body to experience what’s already there and and

experience what’s already there and and

experience what’s already there and and and that’s may sound like you know

and that’s may sound like you know

and that’s may sound like you know parsing words and semantics but it’s all

parsing words and semantics but it’s all

parsing words and semantics but it’s all the difference in the world because if

the difference in the world because if

the difference in the world because if you have to get that from outside of

you have to get that from outside of

you have to get that from outside of yourself like when I was in medical

yourself like when I was in medical

yourself like when I was in medical school I I got depressed because I

school I I got depressed because I

school I I got depressed because I thought I was never gonna get in the

thought I was never gonna get in the

thought I was never gonna get in the medical school and you know be all alone

medical school and you know be all alone

medical school and you know be all alone and but but the problem is is that if if

and but but the problem is is that if if

and but but the problem is is that if if you think it comes from outside you

you think it comes from outside you

you think it comes from outside you everyone who has what you think you need

everyone who has what you think you need

everyone who has what you think you need has power over you whereas if it’s if

has power over you whereas if it’s if

has power over you whereas if it’s if I’m starting to feel anxious or worried

I’m starting to feel anxious or worried

I’m starting to feel anxious or worried or upset I can say what am i doing

or upset I can say what am i doing

or upset I can say what am i doing that’s disturbing what’s already there

that’s disturbing what’s already there

that’s disturbing what’s already there and that is very empowering

and that is very empowering

and that is very empowering I can do something about that otherwise

I can do something about that otherwise

I can do something about that otherwise everybody has power over me and so when

everybody has power over me and so when

everybody has power over me and so when we quiet down our minded bodies we can

we quiet down our minded bodies we can

we quiet down our minded bodies we can experience even if it’s only momentarily

experience even if it’s only momentarily

experience even if it’s only momentarily if you’ve meditated or you do whatever

if you’ve meditated or you do whatever

if you’ve meditated or you do whatever you do to quiet down your mind and

you do to quiet down your mind and

you do to quiet down your mind and you’re feeling more peaceful remind

you’re feeling more peaceful remind

you’re feeling more peaceful remind yourself remind yourself that that

yourself remind yourself that that

yourself remind yourself that that feeling didn’t come from the meditation

feeling didn’t come from the meditation

feeling didn’t come from the meditation it was already there what you did is at

it was already there what you did is at

it was already there what you did is at least temporarily he removed what was

least temporarily he removed what was

least temporarily he removed what was disturbing that and the other thing that

disturbing that and the other thing that

disturbing that and the other thing that happens is that when you quiet down your

happens is that when you quiet down your

happens is that when you quiet down your mind you begin to hear your own inner

mind you begin to hear your own inner

mind you begin to hear your own inner teacher your own inner guru your own

teacher your own inner guru your own

teacher your own inner guru your own inner wisdom the still small voice

inner wisdom the still small voice

inner wisdom the still small voice within whatever name you give to that

within whatever name you give to that

within whatever name you give to that it’s that voice that wakes us up at 3:00

it’s that voice that wakes us up at 3:00

it’s that voice that wakes us up at 3:00 in the morning and says hey Dean listen

in the morning and says hey Dean listen

in the morning and says hey Dean listen up pay attention you’re not doing

up pay attention you’re not doing

up pay attention you’re not doing something that’s in your best interest

something that’s in your best interest

something that’s in your best interest or here’s something that you might want

or here’s something that you might want

or here’s something that you might want to think about that’s really creative

to think about that’s really creative

to think about that’s really creative you know all the studies that I’ve done

you know all the studies that I’ve done

you know all the studies that I’ve done really came from that place and then

really came from that place and then

really came from that place and then kind of reverse engineering to see if I

kind of reverse engineering to see if I

kind of reverse engineering to see if I could prove that they were that those

could prove that they were that those

could prove that they were that those insights were really true and when you

insights were really true and when you

insights were really true and when you learn to recognize that voice you can

learn to recognize that voice you can

learn to recognize that voice you can tie into that you can tap into that even

tie into that you can tap into that even

tie into that you can tap into that even in the in the busiest times of your day

in the in the busiest times of your day

in the in the busiest times of your day if you just take a moment and stop and

if you just take a moment and stop and

if you just take a moment and stop and listen and the other thing that happens

listen and the other thing that happens

listen and the other thing that happens when you quiet when we quiet down our

when you quiet when we quiet down our

when you quiet when we quiet down our mind enough is that we experience what

mind enough is that we experience what

mind enough is that we experience what it means to be in a transcendent state

it means to be in a transcendent state

it means to be in a transcendent state and by that it means that on one level

and by that it means that on one level

and by that it means that on one level you know obviously we’re separate you’re

you know obviously we’re separate you’re

you know obviously we’re separate you’re you and I mean but on another level or a

you and I mean but on another level or a

you and I mean but on another level or a part of something larger that connects

part of something larger that connects

part of something larger that connects us all together whatever name you give

us all together whatever name you give

us all together whatever name you give to that even to give it a name is to

to that even to give it a name is to

to that even to give it a name is to limit what’s essentially an ineffable a

limit what’s essentially an ineffable a

limit what’s essentially an ineffable a limitless infinite experience this

limitless infinite experience this

limitless infinite experience this interconnectedness this oneness and all

interconnectedness this oneness and all

interconnectedness this oneness and all the what Aldous Huxley call the

the what Aldous Huxley call the

the what Aldous Huxley call the perennial philosophy what you find in

perennial philosophy what you find in

perennial philosophy what you find in all the different religions once people

all the different religions once people

all the different religions once people stop killing themselves over the

stop killing themselves over the

stop killing themselves over the differences in rituals and so on the

differences in rituals and so on the

differences in rituals and so on the love compassion altruism and empathy and

love compassion altruism and empathy and

love compassion altruism and empathy and forgiveness really come from that place

forgiveness really come from that place

forgiveness really come from that place of transcendence it’s a direct

of transcendence it’s a direct

of transcendence it’s a direct experience that when you see a people as

experience that when you see a people as

experience that when you see a people as you in another form then naturally

you in another form then naturally

you in another form then naturally compassion flows from that but you know

compassion flows from that but you know

compassion flows from that but you know you know it’s it’s not that you have to

you know it’s it’s not that you have to

you know it’s it’s not that you have to get that we disturb our own inner sense

get that we disturb our own inner sense

get that we disturb our own inner sense of ease and we become diseased or you

of ease and we become diseased or you

of ease and we become diseased or you know the the ancient Swami’s and rabbis

know the the ancient Swami’s and rabbis

know the the ancient Swami’s and rabbis and priests and monks and nuns didn’t

and priests and monks and nuns didn’t

and priests and monks and nuns didn’t discover these approaches just to unclog

discover these approaches just to unclog

discover these approaches just to unclog their arteries or lower their blood

their arteries or lower their blood

their arteries or lower their blood pressure cholesterol they can do all

pressure cholesterol they can do all

pressure cholesterol they can do all those things but these are really

those things but these are really

those things but these are really powerful tools for transformation they

powerful tools for transformation they

powerful tools for transformation they free us from our suffering right here

free us from our suffering right here

free us from our suffering right here and right now

and right now

and right now and I first learned this when I was

and I first learned this when I was

and I first learned this when I was doing my very first study 40 years ago

doing my very first study 40 years ago

doing my very first study 40 years ago and I was a second year medical student

and I was a second year medical student

and I was a second year medical student and I had ten men and women who had

and I had ten men and women who had

and I had ten men and women who had really bad heart disease and I put him

really bad heart disease and I put him

really bad heart disease and I put him in a hotel for a month and one of the

in a hotel for a month and one of the

in a hotel for a month and one of the guys was an older dentist who was

guys was an older dentist who was

guys was an older dentist who was homophobic and of course one of the

homophobic and of course one of the

homophobic and of course one of the younger guys was gay and so the older

younger guys was gay and so the older

younger guys was gay and so the older guys had some really awful stuff to the

guys had some really awful stuff to the

guys had some really awful stuff to the younger guy the Eiger said some equally

younger guy the Eiger said some equally

younger guy the Eiger said some equally awful stuff back they started yelling at

awful stuff back they started yelling at

awful stuff back they started yelling at each other at the top of their lungs one

each other at the top of their lungs one

each other at the top of their lungs one just clutched his chest and an Djimon

just clutched his chest and an Djimon

just clutched his chest and an Djimon took a nitroglycerin the other clutched

took a nitroglycerin the other clutched

took a nitroglycerin the other clutched his chest took a Demerol slammed the

his chest took a Demerol slammed the

his chest took a Demerol slammed the door slammed the door I thought wow

door slammed the door I thought wow

door slammed the door I thought wow they’re both going to die and this is

they’re both going to die and this is

they’re both going to die and this is going to be the end of my very short

going to be the end of my very short

going to be the end of my very short research career so I talked to them I

research career so I talked to them I

research career so I talked to them I said look you’re giving the power to

said look you’re giving the power to

said look you’re giving the power to give you chest pain and maybe even a

give you chest pain and maybe even a

give you chest pain and maybe even a heart attack and die to the guy that you

heart attack and die to the guy that you

heart attack and die to the guy that you hate the most that’s not really smart

hate the most that’s not really smart

hate the most that’s not really smart even from your own self-interest

even from your own self-interest

even from your own self-interest especially from your own self-interest

especially from your own self-interest

especially from your own self-interest and so they became more loving and

and so they became more loving and

and so they became more loving and compassionate didn’t have any more

compassionate didn’t have any more

compassionate didn’t have any more participating so the suffering can be a

participating so the suffering can be a

participating so the suffering can be a doorway for transforming our lives you

doorway for transforming our lives you

doorway for transforming our lives you know when Nelson Mandela was released

know when Nelson Mandela was released

know when Nelson Mandela was released from prison after 16 years and had his

from prison after 16 years and had his

from prison after 16 years and had his long walk to freedom people said are you

long walk to freedom people said are you

long walk to freedom people said are you do you are you angry with your jailers

do you are you angry with your jailers

do you are you angry with your jailers and he said well you know they took away

and he said well you know they took away

and he said well you know they took away the best years of my life but if I’m

the best years of my life but if I’m

the best years of my life but if I’m still if I still hate them that I’m

still if I still hate them that I’m

still if I still hate them that I’m still in prison in my heart and so

still in prison in my heart and so

still in prison in my heart and so anything that really brings us together

anything that really brings us together

anything that really brings us together is healing you know and that intimacy to

is healing you know and that intimacy to

is healing you know and that intimacy to me is the root of healing even the word

me is the root of healing even the word

me is the root of healing even the word healing comes from the root to make

healing comes from the root to make

healing comes from the root to make whole yoga from the Sanskrit to yoke to

whole yoga from the Sanskrit to yoke to

whole yoga from the Sanskrit to yoke to unite Union these are really old ideas

unite Union these are really old ideas

unite Union these are really old ideas that we’re rediscovering you know versus

that we’re rediscovering you know versus

that we’re rediscovering you know versus the other you know if you see people is

the other you know if you see people is

the other you know if you see people is different and only different then that

different and only different then that

different and only different then that leads to those Mexican rapists and those

leads to those Mexican rapists and those

leads to those Mexican rapists and those Muslim terrorists and all those horrible

Muslim terrorists and all those horrible

Muslim terrorists and all those horrible things that come from that basic

things that come from that basic

things that come from that basic misunderstanding of what the way things

misunderstanding of what the way things

misunderstanding of what the way things really are whereas when we can be

really are whereas when we can be

really are whereas when we can be grounded in that transcendent state

grounded in that transcendent state

grounded in that transcendent state compassion and love and caring all

compassion and love and caring all

compassion and love and caring all really flow naturally from that and so

really flow naturally from that and so

really flow naturally from that and so it’s a kind of a double vision that on

it’s a kind of a double vision that on

it’s a kind of a double vision that on one level were separate on another level

one level were separate on another level

one level were separate on another level were not and so my teacher built a

were not and so my teacher built a

were not and so my teacher built a temple out on the James River outside of

temple out on the James River outside of

temple out on the James River outside of Charlottesville and it has a beam of

Charlottesville and it has a beam of

Charlottesville and it has a beam of light coming up and then it hits a beam

light coming up and then it hits a beam

light coming up and then it hits a beam splitter and it illuminates the altars

splitter and it illuminates the altars

splitter and it illuminates the altars of all the different religions with the

of all the different religions with the

of all the different religions with the idea that truth is one you know paths

idea that truth is one you know paths

idea that truth is one you know paths are many and it helps us get past a lot

are many and it helps us get past a lot

are many and it helps us get past a lot of these false choices you know I’ve

of these false choices you know I’ve

of these false choices you know I’ve been doing research for a long time

been doing research for a long time

been doing research for a long time people say oh you know you know am I

people say oh you know you know am I

people say oh you know you know am I going to live longer is there just going

going to live longer is there just going

going to live longer is there just going to seem longer if I change my diet and

to seem longer if I change my diet and

to seem longer if I change my diet and lifestyle you know is it fun for me or

lifestyle you know is it fun for me or

lifestyle you know is it fun for me or is it good for me you know

is it good for me you know

is it good for me you know the only way that you get to live to be

the only way that you get to live to be

the only way that you get to live to be a hundred is by not doing all the things

a hundred is by not doing all the things

a hundred is by not doing all the things that make you want to live to be a

that make you want to live to be a

that make you want to live to be a hundred you know variations on those

hundred you know variations on those

hundred you know variations on those themes but actually this is what allows

themes but actually this is what allows

themes but actually this is what allows us to leave the most juicy life that the

us to leave the most juicy life that the

us to leave the most juicy life that the spiritual teachers that I’m attracted to

spiritual teachers that I’m attracted to

spiritual teachers that I’m attracted to the Dalai Lama and the Swami and others

the Dalai Lama and the Swami and others

the Dalai Lama and the Swami and others are the ones that live a joyful life

are the ones that live a joyful life

are the ones that live a joyful life they just being around them you make it

they just being around them you make it

they just being around them you make it makes you feel good and if it’s

makes you feel good and if it’s

makes you feel good and if it’s meaningful then it’s sustainable and if

meaningful then it’s sustainable and if

meaningful then it’s sustainable and if it’s pleasurable then it’s sustainable

it’s pleasurable then it’s sustainable

it’s pleasurable then it’s sustainable and one of the things I learned when I

and one of the things I learned when I

and one of the things I learned when I was in college as I mentioned is I could

was in college as I mentioned is I could

was in college as I mentioned is I could take all the meaning out of everything

take all the meaning out of everything

take all the meaning out of everything but I also learned that I could imbue

but I also learned that I could imbue

but I also learned that I could imbue choices with meaning and one of the ways

choices with meaning and one of the ways

choices with meaning and one of the ways of doing that is by just by choosing not

of doing that is by just by choosing not

of doing that is by just by choosing not to do certain things that you otherwise

to do certain things that you otherwise

to do certain things that you otherwise could do imbues those choices with

could do imbues those choices with

could do imbues those choices with meaning so when I talk to someone and

meaning so when I talk to someone and

meaning so when I talk to someone and say you know if you’d a plant-based diet

say you know if you’d a plant-based diet

say you know if you’d a plant-based diet you can reverse heart disease and

you can reverse heart disease and

you can reverse heart disease and diabetes and prostate cancer and change

diabetes and prostate cancer and change

diabetes and prostate cancer and change your gene expression and lengthen your

your gene expression and lengthen your

your gene expression and lengthen your telomeres and reverse aging in a

telomeres and reverse aging in a

telomeres and reverse aging in a cellular level and the more diseases we

cellular level and the more diseases we

cellular level and the more diseases we study and the more mechanisms we look at

study and the more mechanisms we look at

study and the more mechanisms we look at the more evidence we have for that but

the more evidence we have for that but

the more evidence we have for that but when people say gosh you know I mean I

when people say gosh you know I mean I

when people say gosh you know I mean I can’t have everything I want you say

can’t have everything I want you say

can’t have everything I want you say well you can do anything you want you’re

well you can do anything you want you’re

well you can do anything you want you’re free but you know all spiritual

free but you know all spiritual

free but you know all spiritual traditions have dietary guidelines and

traditions have dietary guidelines and

traditions have dietary guidelines and they’re often different from each other

they’re often different from each other

they’re often different from each other in one religion you can eat this but not

in one religion you can eat this but not

in one religion you can eat this but not that or certain days of the week or

that or certain days of the week or

that or certain days of the week or certain times a day and you know is it

certain times a day and you know is it

certain times a day and you know is it all right it’s God confused I don’t know

all right it’s God confused I don’t know

all right it’s God confused I don’t know but whatever intrinsic benefit there is

but whatever intrinsic benefit there is

but whatever intrinsic benefit there is in making certain diet and lifestyle

in making certain diet and lifestyle

in making certain diet and lifestyle choices just the act of choosing not to

choices just the act of choosing not to

choices just the act of choosing not to eat something that you otherwise could

eat something that you otherwise could

eat something that you otherwise could do imbues those cases with meaning and

do imbues those cases with meaning and

do imbues those cases with meaning and if it’s meaningful than it’s sustainable

if it’s meaningful than it’s sustainable

if it’s meaningful than it’s sustainable and because these underlying biological

and because these underlying biological

and because these underlying biological mechanisms are so dynamic most people

mechanisms are so dynamic most people

mechanisms are so dynamic most people feel so much better so quickly it

feel so much better so quickly it

feel so much better so quickly it reframes the reason for making these

reframes the reason for making these

reframes the reason for making these changes from fear of dying to joy of

changes from fear of dying to joy of

changes from fear of dying to joy of living and joy of and pleasure and

living and joy of and pleasure and

living and joy of and pleasure and feeling good are really what are

feeling good are really what are

feeling good are really what are sustainable and even in relationships

sustainable and even in relationships

sustainable and even in relationships you know there was a South Indian say in

you know there was a South Indian say in

you know there was a South Indian say in 100 years ago named Ramakrishna and he

100 years ago named Ramakrishna and he

100 years ago named Ramakrishna and he said you can dig a lot of shallow wells

said you can dig a lot of shallow wells

said you can dig a lot of shallow wells and never reach reach water or you can

and never reach reach water or you can

and never reach reach water or you can dig one deep one and reach the

dig one deep one and reach the

dig one deep one and reach the wellspring and so for example my my wife

wellspring and so for example my my wife

wellspring and so for example my my wife and I have been together for 20 years

and I have been together for 20 years

and I have been together for 20 years and before that I used to date other

and before that I used to date other

and before that I used to date other people which was really fun but we

people which was really fun but we

people which was really fun but we decided to be in a committed monogamous

decided to be in a committed monogamous

decided to be in a committed monogamous relationship now again is that the ball

relationship now again is that the ball

relationship now again is that the ball and chain well it certainly can be or is

and chain well it certainly can be or is

and chain well it certainly can be or is it a way of creating a sacred space and

it a way of creating a sacred space and

it a way of creating a sacred space and a sense of safety because you know you

a sense of safety because you know you

a sense of safety because you know you can only be intimate to the degree you

can only be intimate to the degree you

can only be intimate to the degree you can open your

can open your

can open your hard and be vulnerable and you can only

hard and be vulnerable and you can only

hard and be vulnerable and you can only do that to the degree you feel safe and

do that to the degree you feel safe and

do that to the degree you feel safe and so we feel more and more safe over the

so we feel more and more safe over the

so we feel more and more safe over the years as we are we you know we continue

years as we are we you know we continue

years as we are we you know we continue to trust each other and it’s like layers

to trust each other and it’s like layers

to trust each other and it’s like layers of an onion you know the more you can

of an onion you know the more you can

of an onion you know the more you can open the more incident becomes and the

open the more incident becomes and the

open the more incident becomes and the more intimate comes the more erotic it

more intimate comes the more erotic it

more intimate comes the more erotic it becomes which I never knew before and so

becomes which I never knew before and so

becomes which I never knew before and so it’s it’s instead of having the same

it’s it’s instead of having the same

it’s it’s instead of having the same kind of experience with different people

kind of experience with different people

kind of experience with different people it’s these profoundly different

it’s these profoundly different

it’s these profoundly different experiences with the same person and and

experiences with the same person and and

experiences with the same person and and that and the more intimate it becomes

that and the more intimate it becomes

that and the more intimate it becomes the more fun it becomes and so you know

the more fun it becomes and so you know

the more fun it becomes and so you know when we have a day together we’re not

when we have a day together we’re not

when we have a day together we’re not trying to create recreate an experience

trying to create recreate an experience

trying to create recreate an experience that we might have had before however

that we might have had before however

that we might have had before however wonderful that might have been we’re

wonderful that might have been we’re

wonderful that might have been we’re where we have what’s called beginner’s

where we have what’s called beginner’s

where we have what’s called beginner’s mind you know we’re open to all

mind you know we’re open to all

mind you know we’re open to all possibilities all degrees of freedom

possibilities all degrees of freedom

possibilities all degrees of freedom we’re not trying to create something

we’re not trying to create something

we’re not trying to create something we’re just trying to be open to whatever

we’re just trying to be open to whatever

we’re just trying to be open to whatever flows from that because if we’re just

flows from that because if we’re just

flows from that because if we’re just trying to create something recreate

trying to create something recreate

trying to create something recreate something it won’t be fresh and so we

something it won’t be fresh and so we

something it won’t be fresh and so we trust each other enough to be open to

trust each other enough to be open to

trust each other enough to be open to whatever happens and most of the time

whatever happens and most of the time

whatever happens and most of the time it’s like the most intensely erotic

it’s like the most intensely erotic

it’s like the most intensely erotic wonderful experience that either one of

wonderful experience that either one of

wonderful experience that either one of us has ever had and not just by a little

us has ever had and not just by a little

us has ever had and not just by a little but by a lot even after many years

but by a lot even after many years

but by a lot even after many years together and so you know with because it

together and so you know with because it

together and so you know with because it allows us to go so much deeper which

allows us to go so much deeper which

allows us to go so much deeper which makes it more intimate which makes it

makes it more intimate which makes it

makes it more intimate which makes it more erotic and so it’s not a moral

more erotic and so it’s not a moral

more erotic and so it’s not a moral issue it’s it’s just like okay what

issue it’s it’s just like okay what

issue it’s it’s just like okay what brings you the most pleasure and the

brings you the most pleasure and the

brings you the most pleasure and the most fun just like yeah you if you eat a

most fun just like yeah you if you eat a

most fun just like yeah you if you eat a plant-based diet you’re helping the

plant-based diet you’re helping the

plant-based diet you’re helping the world you know you you know there’s less

world you know you you know there’s less

world you know you you know there’s less global warming and all that but more

global warming and all that but more

global warming and all that but more importantly you you think more clearly

importantly you you think more clearly

importantly you you think more clearly you have more energy you need less sleep

you have more energy you need less sleep

you have more energy you need less sleep your sexual function improves you you

your sexual function improves you you

your sexual function improves you you know you’re you you can grow some of the

know you’re you you can grow some of the

know you’re you you can grow some of the new brain neurons you’re breaking

new brain neurons you’re breaking

new brain neurons you’re breaking immeasurably bigger and so what we gain

immeasurably bigger and so what we gain

immeasurably bigger and so what we gain is so much more than what we give up and

is so much more than what we give up and

is so much more than what we give up and to make great art great science great

to make great art great science great

to make great art great science great love making great anything is that

love making great anything is that

love making great anything is that ability to see with without

ability to see with without

ability to see with without preconceptions so that you can be open

preconceptions so that you can be open

preconceptions so that you can be open to all possibilities and all degrees of

to all possibilities and all degrees of

to all possibilities and all degrees of freedom it’s a difference between

freedom it’s a difference between

freedom it’s a difference between imitation and innovation and so if it’s

imitation and innovation and so if it’s

imitation and innovation and so if it’s pleasurable it’s sustainable and what we

pleasurable it’s sustainable and what we

pleasurable it’s sustainable and what we gain is is so much more than what we

gain is is so much more than what we

gain is is so much more than what we give up and so it’s not just how long we

give up and so it’s not just how long we

give up and so it’s not just how long we live it’s how well we live and I’m

live it’s how well we live and I’m

live it’s how well we live and I’m learning that these ancient spiritual

learning that these ancient spiritual

learning that these ancient spiritual truths actually give us the great amount

truths actually give us the great amount

truths actually give us the great amount of pleasure which is what makes them so

of pleasure which is what makes them so

of pleasure which is what makes them so sustainable and so thank you for the

sustainable and so thank you for the

sustainable and so thank you for the chance to share that with you today I

chance to share that with you today I

chance to share that with you today I really appreciated

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