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The Automated-Vehicle (R)evolution | Tom Dingus | TEDxWilmingtonSalon


thank you I have one of the best jobs in

thank you I have one of the best jobs in the world

the world

the world and I’ve been doing it for 30 years

and I’ve been doing it for 30 years

and I’ve been doing it for 30 years people will send us and there’s 450 of

people will send us and there’s 450 of

people will send us and there’s 450 of us at the Virginia Tech Transportation

us at the Virginia Tech Transportation

us at the Virginia Tech Transportation Institute people send us their cars and

Institute people send us their cars and

Institute people send us their cars and let us test them and try to figure out

let us test them and try to figure out

let us test them and try to figure out how they work and when they won’t work

how they work and when they won’t work

how they work and when they won’t work what the unintended consequences are

what the unintended consequences are

what the unintended consequences are we’ve been doing this for 30 years we

we’ve been doing this for 30 years we

we’ve been doing this for 30 years we work with 100 sponsors 14 of the car

work with 100 sponsors 14 of the car

work with 100 sponsors 14 of the car manufacturers many suppliers to do this

manufacturers many suppliers to do this

manufacturers many suppliers to do this it’s a fantastic job the other reason I

it’s a fantastic job the other reason I

it’s a fantastic job the other reason I have a really great job as I’m getting

have a really great job as I’m getting

have a really great job as I’m getting older you can tell by my beard I’m

older you can tell by my beard I’m

older you can tell by my beard I’m almost 60 that means I can say pretty

almost 60 that means I can say pretty

almost 60 that means I can say pretty much whatever I want and in addition to

much whatever I want and in addition to

much whatever I want and in addition to that I have a great job because I have

that I have a great job because I have

that I have a great job because I have tenure which means I can absolutely say

tenure which means I can absolutely say

tenure which means I can absolutely say whatever I want so what I’m going to

whatever I want so what I’m going to

whatever I want so what I’m going to tell you today is what we all believe is

tell you today is what we all believe is

tell you today is what we all believe is a revolution from media from you know

a revolution from media from you know

a revolution from media from you know partnerships created every day and and

partnerships created every day and and

partnerships created every day and and and amazing things happening but I would

and amazing things happening but I would

and amazing things happening but I would from my humble point of view it it’s

from my humble point of view it it’s

from my humble point of view it it’s really more of an evolution because

really more of an evolution because

really more of an evolution because we’ve been doing this so for so long

so what we really need to ask ourselves

so what we really need to ask ourselves is when autonomous vehicle technology

is when autonomous vehicle technology

is when autonomous vehicle technology will be nearly perfect and as I’ll talk

will be nearly perfect and as I’ll talk

will be nearly perfect and as I’ll talk about in a few minutes it needs to be

about in a few minutes it needs to be

about in a few minutes it needs to be nearly perfect and you know there’s a

nearly perfect and you know there’s a

nearly perfect and you know there’s a lot of Advocates to say it’s already

lot of Advocates to say it’s already

lot of Advocates to say it’s already there

there

there you know we’re killing thirty seven

you know we’re killing thirty seven

you know we’re killing thirty seven thousand plus people a year on our

thousand plus people a year on our

thousand plus people a year on our roadways we really need to get this out

roadways we really need to get this out

roadways we really need to get this out as soon as possible those are all good

as soon as possible those are all good

as soon as possible those are all good points that need to be considered but it

points that need to be considered but it

points that need to be considered but it really needs to be nearly perfect

really needs to be nearly perfect

really needs to be nearly perfect because you’re not going to get in a

because you’re not going to get in a

because you’re not going to get in a robotic taxi if you have 15,000

robotic taxi if you have 15,000

robotic taxi if you have 15,000 fatalities occurring with robotic taxes

fatalities occurring with robotic taxes

fatalities occurring with robotic taxes you’re just not going to accept that so

you’re just not going to accept that so

you’re just not going to accept that so when will it be nearly perfect

when will it be nearly perfect

when will it be nearly perfect technology experts say between three and

technology experts say between three and

technology experts say between three and ten years at V TTI we think probably

ten years at V TTI we think probably

ten years at V TTI we think probably five years from now it’ll be nearly

five years from now it’ll be nearly

five years from now it’ll be nearly perfect that doesn’t mean you’re not

perfect that doesn’t mean you’re not

perfect that doesn’t mean you’re not gonna see it you’re gonna see it in

gonna see it you’re gonna see it in

gonna see it you’re gonna see it in really kind of limited operations and

really kind of limited operations and

really kind of limited operations and I’ll talk about that also in a few

I’ll talk about that also in a few

I’ll talk about that also in a few minutes so it’s really going to take

minutes so it’s really going to take

minutes so it’s really going to take five years before it gets there now you

five years before it gets there now you

five years before it gets there now you also have to keep in mind that we’ve

also have to keep in mind that we’ve

also have to keep in mind that we’ve been we’ve been testing automated

been we’ve been testing automated

been we’ve been testing automated technology for 20 years you know you

technology for 20 years you know you

technology for 20 years you know you heard about automatic electronic braking

heard about automatic electronic braking

heard about automatic electronic braking we started testing that 20 years ago and

we started testing that 20 years ago and

we started testing that 20 years ago and so what that means is it takes

so what that means is it takes

so what that means is it takes a great deal of time for things to get

a great deal of time for things to get

a great deal of time for things to get deployed and so we started testing

deployed and so we started testing

deployed and so we started testing automated braking over 20 years ago it

automated braking over 20 years ago it

automated braking over 20 years ago it became available for the first time in

became available for the first time in

became available for the first time in the US and in 2013 and if you as you see

the US and in 2013 and if you as you see

the US and in 2013 and if you as you see our friends from the Insurance Institute

our friends from the Insurance Institute

our friends from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety they predict that

for Highway Safety they predict that

for Highway Safety they predict that there will be 50 percent deployment of

there will be 50 percent deployment of

there will be 50 percent deployment of this system by 2026

this system by 2026

this system by 2026 and if you follow that the chart up 90

and if you follow that the chart up 90

and if you follow that the chart up 90 percent deployment by 2040 you know that

percent deployment by 2040 you know that

percent deployment by 2040 you know that that’s a ways away and you’ve got to

that’s a ways away and you’ve got to

that’s a ways away and you’ve got to understand that this technology is

understand that this technology is

understand that this technology is accepted by everybody the car

accepted by everybody the car

accepted by everybody the car manufacturers made a voluntary standard

manufacturers made a voluntary standard

manufacturers made a voluntary standard to get this on all cars within five

to get this on all cars within five

to get this on all cars within five years so this is about the fastest that

years so this is about the fastest that

years so this is about the fastest that you can deploy something and get it

you can deploy something and get it

you can deploy something and get it through the fleet that’s something to

through the fleet that’s something to

through the fleet that’s something to consider what is the shortest time to

consider what is the shortest time to

consider what is the shortest time to deploy technology well about 50% of

deploy technology well about 50% of

deploy technology well about 50% of vehicles you’ll see with substantial

vehicles you’ll see with substantial

vehicles you’ll see with substantial automation in about 13 years after it’s

automation in about 13 years after it’s

automation in about 13 years after it’s perfect assume nothing else bad goes

perfect assume nothing else bad goes

perfect assume nothing else bad goes goes wrong and about 90% in 27 years so

goes wrong and about 90% in 27 years so

goes wrong and about 90% in 27 years so it’s a little ways away one of the

it’s a little ways away one of the

it’s a little ways away one of the things you have to consider that these

things you have to consider that these

things you have to consider that these systems might not be deployed even that

systems might not be deployed even that

systems might not be deployed even that fast because there’s a number of factors

fast because there’s a number of factors

fast because there’s a number of factors that are involved you know trust in

that are involved you know trust in

that are involved you know trust in automation and and the desired own and

automation and and the desired own and

automation and and the desired own and automated vehicle is relatively flat

automated vehicle is relatively flat

automated vehicle is relatively flat over the last few years people talk

over the last few years people talk

over the last few years people talk about Millennials don’t want to even own

about Millennials don’t want to even own

about Millennials don’t want to even own cars anymore they just want to do

cars anymore they just want to do

cars anymore they just want to do rideshare and things like that but

rideshare and things like that but

rideshare and things like that but Millennials and everybody else has been

Millennials and everybody else has been

Millennials and everybody else has been buying cars at a very brisk pace

buying cars at a very brisk pace

buying cars at a very brisk pace manually driven cars the last few years

manually driven cars the last few years

manually driven cars the last few years as the economy’s gotten better and you

as the economy’s gotten better and you

as the economy’s gotten better and you know in addition to that you know we

know in addition to that you know we

know in addition to that you know we hear about uber and lyft and things like

hear about uber and lyft and things like

hear about uber and lyft and things like that so maybe we we don’t need cars you

that so maybe we we don’t need cars you

that so maybe we we don’t need cars you can use car share ride share all of

can use car share ride share all of

can use car share ride share all of those things and they’re tremendous

those things and they’re tremendous

those things and they’re tremendous services but you have to keep in mind

services but you have to keep in mind

services but you have to keep in mind that they are less than point two

that they are less than point two

that they are less than point two percent of all the troops in the US even

percent of all the troops in the US even

percent of all the troops in the US even despite their tremendous success so it’s

despite their tremendous success so it’s

despite their tremendous success so it’s it’s gonna be a while but the biggest

it’s gonna be a while but the biggest

it’s gonna be a while but the biggest factor is risk perception and risk

factor is risk perception and risk

factor is risk perception and risk perception is how risky you think

perception is how risky you think

perception is how risky you think something is and so

something is and so

something is and so what what that means to you is there is

what what that means to you is there is

what what that means to you is there is an actual risk associated with doing

an actual risk associated with doing

an actual risk associated with doing something and then your perception

something and then your perception

something and then your perception thereof and people are sometimes really

thereof and people are sometimes really

thereof and people are sometimes really terrible about judging actual risk you

terrible about judging actual risk you

terrible about judging actual risk you know it examples include commercial

know it examples include commercial

know it examples include commercial airline safety where there’s a real fear

airline safety where there’s a real fear

airline safety where there’s a real fear of seating control over a situation most

of seating control over a situation most

of seating control over a situation most people realize that flying commercially

people realize that flying commercially

people realize that flying commercially is safer than driving a car if you did a

is safer than driving a car if you did a

is safer than driving a car if you did a survey of the US today they would say

survey of the US today they would say

survey of the US today they would say it’s twice as safe and but in reality if

it’s twice as safe and but in reality if

it’s twice as safe and but in reality if you look at fatalities over a number of

you look at fatalities over a number of

you look at fatalities over a number of years it’s really two thousand times as

years it’s really two thousand times as

years it’s really two thousand times as safe and so that’s an example where the

safe and so that’s an example where the

safe and so that’s an example where the perception of risk is drastically

perception of risk is drastically

perception of risk is drastically different than the actual risk for

different than the actual risk for

different than the actual risk for whatever reason manual driving gets a

whatever reason manual driving gets a

whatever reason manual driving gets a buy when it comes to risk we literally

buy when it comes to risk we literally

buy when it comes to risk we literally kill a hundred people every day on our

kill a hundred people every day on our

kill a hundred people every day on our roadways but people really don’t view it

roadways but people really don’t view it

roadways but people really don’t view it as that risk if you compare that to

as that risk if you compare that to

as that risk if you compare that to shark attacks

shark attacks

shark attacks you know if somebody gets attacked by a

you know if somebody gets attacked by a

you know if somebody gets attacked by a shark off the coast of North Carolina or

shark off the coast of North Carolina or

shark off the coast of North Carolina or someplace it’s it’s a tragic event it’s

someplace it’s it’s a tragic event it’s

someplace it’s it’s a tragic event it’s in the mainstream media for days people

in the mainstream media for days people

in the mainstream media for days people get off the beaches we kill more people

get off the beaches we kill more people

get off the beaches we kill more people in cars every day than sharks have

in cars every day than sharks have

in cars every day than sharks have killed people in the US and the last 200

killed people in the US and the last 200

killed people in the US and the last 200 years that’s the difference in risk

years that’s the difference in risk

years that’s the difference in risk perception so what’s gonna be the

perception so what’s gonna be the

perception so what’s gonna be the difference between perceived and actual

difference between perceived and actual

difference between perceived and actual risk for manual driving there’s lots of

risk for manual driving there’s lots of

risk for manual driving there’s lots of studies over a number of years that show

studies over a number of years that show

studies over a number of years that show that it’s going to be a thousand to one

that it’s going to be a thousand to one

that it’s going to be a thousand to one and so what does that mean to you but

and so what does that mean to you but

and so what does that mean to you but what that means to you is a vs cannot

what that means to you is a vs cannot

what that means to you is a vs cannot crash very often in fact they have to be

crash very often in fact they have to be

crash very often in fact they have to be really nearly perfect and if you do the

really nearly perfect and if you do the

really nearly perfect and if you do the numbers but kill 37,000 people each year

numbers but kill 37,000 people each year

numbers but kill 37,000 people each year manually the risk perception for

manually the risk perception for

manually the risk perception for autonomous vehicles is going to be a

autonomous vehicles is going to be a

autonomous vehicles is going to be a thousand times greater so that means to

thousand times greater so that means to

thousand times greater so that means to be perceived as equally dangerous we can

be perceived as equally dangerous we can

be perceived as equally dangerous we can only kill 37 people a year that’s a

only kill 37 people a year that’s a

only kill 37 people a year that’s a really that’s a really tough problem so

really that’s a really tough problem so

really that’s a really tough problem so another factor to consider is our

another factor to consider is our

another factor to consider is our drivers terrible you just I just told

drivers terrible you just I just told

drivers terrible you just I just told you 30 other people have told you 37,000

you 30 other people have told you 37,000

you 30 other people have told you 37,000 people died on our roadways 94 percent

people died on our roadways 94 percent

people died on our roadways 94 percent due to human error drivers terrible I’d

due to human error drivers terrible I’d

due to human error drivers terrible I’d say yes and no one thing to consider is

say yes and no one thing to consider is

say yes and no one thing to consider is the average driver in the United States

the average driver in the United States

the average driver in the United States has a serious crash every seventeen

has a serious crash every seventeen

has a serious crash every seventeen point nine years serious being police

point nine years serious being police

point nine years serious being police reported a good driver that chooses to

reported a good driver that chooses to

reported a good driver that chooses to drive alert attentive and sober on every

drive alert attentive and sober on every

drive alert attentive and sober on every time they drive reduces that risk by a

time they drive reduces that risk by a

time they drive reduces that risk by a factor of three so what that means to

factor of three so what that means to

factor of three so what that means to you is there’s a substantial portion of

you is there’s a substantial portion of

you is there’s a substantial portion of the population that will go through an

the population that will go through an

the population that will go through an entire lifetime of driving and never

entire lifetime of driving and never

entire lifetime of driving and never crashed never have a serious crash so

crashed never have a serious crash so

crashed never have a serious crash so for moral or ethical reasons or whatever

for moral or ethical reasons or whatever

for moral or ethical reasons or whatever reasons how many times can a v’s crash

reasons how many times can a v’s crash

reasons how many times can a v’s crash to make those people equally as safe an

to make those people equally as safe an

to make those people equally as safe an autonomous car is there in a manual car

zero right if you go through an entire

zero right if you go through an entire lifetime of driving and you never crash

lifetime of driving and you never crash

lifetime of driving and you never crash because you’re a really good driver you

because you’re a really good driver you

because you’re a really good driver you don’t want to get in a robotic taxi that

don’t want to get in a robotic taxi that

don’t want to get in a robotic taxi that kills 15,000 people a year so that’s

kills 15,000 people a year so that’s

kills 15,000 people a year so that’s that’s a big issue there are other

that’s a big issue there are other

that’s a big issue there are other factors to consider you know when when

factors to consider you know when when

factors to consider you know when when you talk about abies and and when

you talk about abies and and when

you talk about abies and and when they’ll be deployed for example the

they’ll be deployed for example the

they’ll be deployed for example the presence of manual driving right so I

presence of manual driving right so I

presence of manual driving right so I told you the reason I didn’t take the

told you the reason I didn’t take the

told you the reason I didn’t take the other chart and go out to a hundred

other chart and go out to a hundred

other chart and go out to a hundred percent is there’s very few things in

percent is there’s very few things in

percent is there’s very few things in the transportation world that are a

the transportation world that are a

the transportation world that are a hundred percent

hundred percent

hundred percent seatbelts have been around for decades

seatbelts have been around for decades

seatbelts have been around for decades if you survey people they know they save

if you survey people they know they save

if you survey people they know they save lives you know we’ve had laws passed

lives you know we’ve had laws passed

lives you know we’ve had laws passed we’ve had public awareness campaigns

we’ve had public awareness campaigns

we’ve had public awareness campaigns we’ve had all kinds of things yet

we’ve had all kinds of things yet

we’ve had all kinds of things yet between 10 and 20 percent of people

between 10 and 20 percent of people

between 10 and 20 percent of people still don’t wear seatbelts automation

still don’t wear seatbelts automation

still don’t wear seatbelts automation the automatic transmission was really

the automatic transmission was really

the automatic transmission was really invented over 70 years ago and it’s been

invented over 70 years ago and it’s been

invented over 70 years ago and it’s been extremely popular a lot of cars have

extremely popular a lot of cars have

extremely popular a lot of cars have automatic transmission but even today 5%

automatic transmission but even today 5%

automatic transmission but even today 5% of the vehicles on the road still have

of the vehicles on the road still have

of the vehicles on the road still have manual transmission

manual transmission

manual transmission and you can still go to a dealership and

and you can still go to a dealership and

and you can still go to a dealership and buy one in many dealerships and a manual

buy one in many dealerships and a manual

buy one in many dealerships and a manual transmission is not more expensive than

transmission is not more expensive than

transmission is not more expensive than an automated transmission yet people

an automated transmission yet people

an automated transmission yet people still buy them that’s because people

still buy them that’s because people

still buy them that’s because people drive for fun they just like to drive

drive for fun they just like to drive

drive for fun they just like to drive but how does that affect the system okay

but how does that affect the system okay

but how does that affect the system okay if you have manual drivers on the road

if you have manual drivers on the road

if you have manual drivers on the road it greatly increases the variability of

it greatly increases the variability of

it greatly increases the variability of what you have to deal with if every

what you have to deal with if every

what you have to deal with if every vehicle on the road were autonomous and

vehicle on the road were autonomous and

vehicle on the road were autonomous and all followed the same rules the air

all followed the same rules the air

all followed the same rules the air problems much simpler problem than with

problems much simpler problem than with

problems much simpler problem than with drivers drivers do not follow rules the

drivers drivers do not follow rules the

drivers drivers do not follow rules the average speed on our interstates is

average speed on our interstates is

average speed on our interstates is greater than the speed limit you see

greater than the speed limit you see

greater than the speed limit you see people doing illegal turns illegal

people doing illegal turns illegal

people doing illegal turns illegal maneuvers all the time we did a study at

maneuvers all the time we did a study at

maneuvers all the time we did a study at Virginia Tech a few years ago which was

Virginia Tech a few years ago which was

Virginia Tech a few years ago which was essentially how many people stopped for

essentially how many people stopped for

essentially how many people stopped for a for a right on red after stop which is

a for a right on red after stop which is

a for a right on red after stop which is the law well the answer is less than 50%

the law well the answer is less than 50%

the law well the answer is less than 50% that doesn’t surprise you too much but

that doesn’t surprise you too much but

that doesn’t surprise you too much but probably what doesn’t surprise you is

probably what doesn’t surprise you is

probably what doesn’t surprise you is the average speed for the people that

the average speed for the people that

the average speed for the people that don’t stop is 11 miles an hour and

don’t stop is 11 miles an hour and

don’t stop is 11 miles an hour and there’s huge variability some people are

there’s huge variability some people are

there’s huge variability some people are up to close to 20 miles an hour and it’s

up to close to 20 miles an hour and it’s

up to close to 20 miles an hour and it’s very hard for autonomous vehicles to

very hard for autonomous vehicles to

very hard for autonomous vehicles to really get to really develop the

really get to really develop the

really get to really develop the intelligence to be able to predict all

intelligence to be able to predict all

intelligence to be able to predict all this human behavior but there will

this human behavior but there will

this human behavior but there will always be manual driving so when will

always be manual driving so when will

always be manual driving so when will autonomous vehicles be deployed well

autonomous vehicles be deployed well

autonomous vehicles be deployed well you’re seeing them now really and it’s

you’re seeing them now really and it’s

you’re seeing them now really and it’s just perhaps not when as much as where

just perhaps not when as much as where

just perhaps not when as much as where you can you can drive hands off feet off

you can you can drive hands off feet off

you can you can drive hands off feet off or at least get both lateral and

or at least get both lateral and

or at least get both lateral and longitudinal control at this point in

longitudinal control at this point in

longitudinal control at this point in five production vehicles and so it’s

five production vehicles and so it’s

five production vehicles and so it’s already happening but what but when is

already happening but what but when is

already happening but what but when is it really going to be perfect enough

it really going to be perfect enough

it really going to be perfect enough where you can watch the movie or take

where you can watch the movie or take

where you can watch the movie or take your eyes off the road not sooner than

your eyes off the road not sooner than

your eyes off the road not sooner than five years for nearly perfect technology

five years for nearly perfect technology

five years for nearly perfect technology if you add to that 13 years for the the

if you add to that 13 years for the the

if you add to that 13 years for the the 50% point in market penetration of

50% point in market penetration of

50% point in market penetration of autonomous vehicles that gets us out to

autonomous vehicles that gets us out to

autonomous vehicles that gets us out to 2035

2035

2035 so by 2035 even though you will have

so by 2035 even though you will have

so by 2035 even though you will have experienced a lot of technology

experienced a lot of technology

experienced a lot of technology whether it’s a robotic taxi in a city or

whether it’s a robotic taxi in a city or

whether it’s a robotic taxi in a city or highway driving or coming later would be

highway driving or coming later would be

highway driving or coming later would be bad weather and rural driving 2035 half

bad weather and rural driving 2035 half

bad weather and rural driving 2035 half the cars on the road will be

the cars on the road will be

the cars on the road will be substantially automated to get to the 90

substantially automated to get to the 90

substantially automated to get to the 90 percent point you got to go out to 20 49

percent point you got to go out to 20 49

percent point you got to go out to 20 49 and so that’s that’s really a long time

and so that’s that’s really a long time

and so that’s that’s really a long time from now and and I can’t emphasize this

from now and and I can’t emphasize this

from now and and I can’t emphasize this enough if we don’t do it right you can

enough if we don’t do it right you can

enough if we don’t do it right you can add five to ten years to those numbers

add five to ten years to those numbers

add five to ten years to those numbers because if they crash if they crash more

because if they crash if they crash more

because if they crash if they crash more than is acceptable governments

than is acceptable governments

than is acceptable governments individuals or they’re not going to

individuals or they’re not going to

individuals or they’re not going to accept the technology and they’re gonna

accept the technology and they’re gonna

accept the technology and they’re gonna slow it down because they’re either not

slow it down because they’re either not

slow it down because they’re either not going to buy it or they’re gonna have to

going to buy it or they’re gonna have to

going to buy it or they’re gonna have to legislate to protect the public and so

legislate to protect the public and so

legislate to protect the public and so that could get you out to 2050 four or

that could get you out to 2050 four or

that could get you out to 2050 four or 2059 and so I’m not I’m not here to try

2059 and so I’m not I’m not here to try

2059 and so I’m not I’m not here to try to about here to try to say that this

to about here to try to say that this

to about here to try to say that this isn’t a great thing it is a tremendous

isn’t a great thing it is a tremendous

isn’t a great thing it is a tremendous thing and I’m not here to say that we

thing and I’m not here to say that we

thing and I’m not here to say that we don’t see the benefits there are

don’t see the benefits there are

don’t see the benefits there are tremendous safety mobility benefits for

tremendous safety mobility benefits for

tremendous safety mobility benefits for disabled populations and underserved

disabled populations and underserved

disabled populations and underserved populations it’s going to be great we

populations it’s going to be great we

populations it’s going to be great we just have to do it right and it’s going

just have to do it right and it’s going

just have to do it right and it’s going to take a while that’s that’s what we do

to take a while that’s that’s what we do

to take a while that’s that’s what we do at the Virginia Tech Transportation

at the Virginia Tech Transportation

at the Virginia Tech Transportation Institute thank you

Institute thank you

Institute thank you [Applause]

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