sometimes I dread telling people what I do for a living
do for a living
do for a living now don’t get me wrong I’m incredibly
now don’t get me wrong I’m incredibly
now don’t get me wrong I’m incredibly proud of my job and I feel privileged to
proud of my job and I feel privileged to
proud of my job and I feel privileged to be able to do it but what I didn’t
be able to do it but what I didn’t
be able to do it but what I didn’t realize when I started practicing
realize when I started practicing
realize when I started practicing immigration law what no one tells you is
immigration law what no one tells you is
immigration law what no one tells you is that when your job has the words
that when your job has the words
that when your job has the words immigration in the title you’ll be
immigration in the title you’ll be
immigration in the title you’ll be expected to defend it in all sorts of
expected to defend it in all sorts of
expected to defend it in all sorts of situations at a party in a black cab
situations at a party in a black cab
situations at a party in a black cab when taking out the rubbish this defense
when taking out the rubbish this defense
when taking out the rubbish this defense takes place in a in a climate where the
takes place in a in a climate where the
takes place in a in a climate where the words that we see here represent a lot
words that we see here represent a lot
words that we see here represent a lot of the rhetoric on immigration let me
of the rhetoric on immigration let me
of the rhetoric on immigration let me give you an example as anyone who’s
give you an example as anyone who’s
give you an example as anyone who’s taken a black cab in London will know
taken a black cab in London will know
taken a black cab in London will know London cabbies are insatiably curious
London cabbies are insatiably curious
London cabbies are insatiably curious and one of the first questions they ask
and one of the first questions they ask
and one of the first questions they ask after checking where it is that you’re
after checking where it is that you’re
after checking where it is that you’re going if what you do for a living love
going if what you do for a living love
going if what you do for a living love now I will generally try to answer this
now I will generally try to answer this
now I will generally try to answer this question with the suitably generic I’m a
question with the suitably generic I’m a
question with the suitably generic I’m a lawyer and I’ll admit this an of in and
lawyer and I’ll admit this an of in and
lawyer and I’ll admit this an of in and of itself can be enough to turn your
of itself can be enough to turn your
of itself can be enough to turn your listener against you but it’s the answer
listener against you but it’s the answer
listener against you but it’s the answer to the follow-up question which has
to the follow-up question which has
to the follow-up question which has gotten me into real trouble what area of
gotten me into real trouble what area of
gotten me into real trouble what area of law my answer immigration on one
law my answer immigration on one
law my answer immigration on one occasion led to the cabbie responding Oh
occasion led to the cabbie responding Oh
occasion led to the cabbie responding Oh to help keep him out to which I had to
to help keep him out to which I had to
to help keep him out to which I had to delicately respond that no actually I
delicately respond that no actually I
delicately respond that no actually I helped keep him in what followed was a
helped keep him in what followed was a
helped keep him in what followed was a cab journey where I attempted to undo
cab journey where I attempted to undo
cab journey where I attempted to undo years of misinformation about
years of misinformation about
years of misinformation about immigration while travelling back from a
immigration while travelling back from a
immigration while travelling back from a wedding at midnight I’m someone
wedding at midnight I’m someone
wedding at midnight I’m someone duty-bound to defend immigration I
duty-bound to defend immigration I
duty-bound to defend immigration I ensure that I’m always well armed with
ensure that I’m always well armed with
ensure that I’m always well armed with lots of statistics about it on this
lots of statistics about it on this
lots of statistics about it on this occasion the conversation went something
occasion the conversation went something
occasion the conversation went something like this the taxi driver would say oh
like this the taxi driver would say oh
like this the taxi driver would say oh we don’t have space for any more
we don’t have space for any more
we don’t have space for any more immigrants and they’re all claiming
immigrants and they’re all claiming
immigrants and they’re all claiming benefits anyways I would respond with
benefits anyways I would respond with
benefits anyways I would respond with some information about how immigrants
some information about how immigrants
some information about how immigrants are in fact much less likely to claim
are in fact much less likely to claim
are in fact much less likely to claim benefits than their UK counterparts and
benefits than their UK counterparts and
benefits than their UK counterparts and some stats about the billions of pounds
some stats about the billions of pounds
some stats about the billions of pounds of income generated by immigrants in the
of income generated by immigrants in the
of income generated by immigrants in the UK he would respond by telling me a
UK he would respond by telling me a
UK he would respond by telling me a story his friends friend to told him
story his friends friend to told him
story his friends friend to told him about a European family who’d recently
about a European family who’d recently
about a European family who’d recently moved into the area and were already
moved into the area and were already
moved into the area and were already claiming benefits and just like that he
claiming benefits and just like that he
claiming benefits and just like that he believed that he had won the argument
believed that he had won the argument
believed that he had won the argument and so it went on until thankfully the
and so it went on until thankfully the
and so it went on until thankfully the journey came to an end now I sometimes
journey came to an end now I sometimes
journey came to an end now I sometimes relish the opportunity to counter
relish the opportunity to counter
relish the opportunity to counter commonly held misconceptions about
commonly held misconceptions about
commonly held misconceptions about immigration but to be honest with you
immigration but to be honest with you
immigration but to be honest with you after a friend’s wedding at midnight it
after a friend’s wedding at midnight it
after a friend’s wedding at midnight it can be exhausting it can also often feel
can be exhausting it can also often feel
can be exhausting it can also often feel pointless
pointless
pointless we’ll have discovered from these
we’ll have discovered from these
we’ll have discovered from these interactions is that I could share all
interactions is that I could share all
interactions is that I could share all the information in the world about the
the information in the world about the
the information in the world about the amazing benefits that immigration brings
amazing benefits that immigration brings
amazing benefits that immigration brings but people’s own perceived experiences
but people’s own perceived experiences
but people’s own perceived experiences and anecdotes they’ve heard will trump
and anecdotes they’ve heard will trump
and anecdotes they’ve heard will trump any factual analysis in other words
any factual analysis in other words
any factual analysis in other words telling stories and not statistics would
telling stories and not statistics would
telling stories and not statistics would be a more effective way to get my point
be a more effective way to get my point
be a more effective way to get my point across people believe what they have
across people believe what they have
across people believe what they have seen and heard even if it’s not
seen and heard even if it’s not
seen and heard even if it’s not reflective of a broader truth this can
reflective of a broader truth this can
reflective of a broader truth this can be reflected in surveys of public
be reflected in surveys of public
be reflected in surveys of public opinion in 2009 the British social
opinion in 2009 the British social
opinion in 2009 the British social attitudes survey asked people to
attitudes survey asked people to
attitudes survey asked people to estimate what percentage of the
estimate what percentage of the
estimate what percentage of the population was made up of non-western
population was made up of non-western
population was made up of non-western immigrants the most common response was
immigrants the most common response was
immigrants the most common response was 25 percent and yet in reality
25 percent and yet in reality
25 percent and yet in reality the actual percentage of total
the actual percentage of total
the actual percentage of total immigrants in the UK was 11% less than
immigrants in the UK was 11% less than
immigrants in the UK was 11% less than half of what people believed it to be
half of what people believed it to be
half of what people believed it to be well and why does it matter if anyone
well and why does it matter if anyone
well and why does it matter if anyone believes the real statistics over their
believes the real statistics over their
believes the real statistics over their own stories it matters because what
own stories it matters because what
own stories it matters because what we’ve seen is that in the world of
we’ve seen is that in the world of
we’ve seen is that in the world of immigration what people believe about it
immigration what people believe about it
immigration what people believe about it is what matters to the politicians
is what matters to the politicians
is what matters to the politicians tasked with doing something about it we
tasked with doing something about it we
tasked with doing something about it we don’t even have to look very deeply to
don’t even have to look very deeply to
don’t even have to look very deeply to see that what the public believes has
see that what the public believes has
see that what the public believes has this kind of influence in 2016 the
this kind of influence in 2016 the
this kind of influence in 2016 the Secretary of State amber Rudd told us
Secretary of State amber Rudd told us
Secretary of State amber Rudd told us that we had to reduce immigration in
that we had to reduce immigration in
that we had to reduce immigration in order to change the tide of public
order to change the tide of public
order to change the tide of public opinion what she’s telling us
opinion what she’s telling us
opinion what she’s telling us the public believes immigration is too
the public believes immigration is too
the public believes immigration is too high therefore we must act as if it is
high therefore we must act as if it is
high therefore we must act as if it is too high and we must take steps to
too high and we must take steps to
too high and we must take steps to reduce it
reduce it
reduce it she doesn’t seek to analyze that the
she doesn’t seek to analyze that the
she doesn’t seek to analyze that the public is right or even why the public
public is right or even why the public
public is right or even why the public feels the way that they do
feels the way that they do
feels the way that they do she doesn’t seek to contrast the
she doesn’t seek to contrast the
she doesn’t seek to contrast the public’s view with the facts that we
public’s view with the facts that we
public’s view with the facts that we have about immigration she just takes a
have about immigration she just takes a
have about immigration she just takes a reading of public opinion and bases
reading of public opinion and bases
reading of public opinion and bases policy on it and so the prime motivating
policy on it and so the prime motivating
policy on it and so the prime motivating factor for immigration law in the UK has
factor for immigration law in the UK has
factor for immigration law in the UK has been to reduce the number of people
been to reduce the number of people
been to reduce the number of people coming here
coming here
coming here in order to do this we’ve seen changes
in order to do this we’ve seen changes
in order to do this we’ve seen changes across the board if you’re a student
across the board if you’re a student
across the board if you’re a student it’s harder to get the to get a visa
it’s harder to get the to get a visa
it’s harder to get the to get a visa even though there are estimates which
even though there are estimates which
even though there are estimates which suggests that international students
suggests that international students
suggests that international students contribute anywhere from between 13 to
contribute anywhere from between 13 to
contribute anywhere from between 13 to 18 billion pounds to the UK economy if
18 billion pounds to the UK economy if
18 billion pounds to the UK economy if you’re a worker it’s harder to get a
you’re a worker it’s harder to get a
you’re a worker it’s harder to get a visa despite the fact that UK businesses
visa despite the fact that UK businesses
visa despite the fact that UK businesses tell us that they need access to
tell us that they need access to
tell us that they need access to international talent in order to
international talent in order to
international talent in order to continue to compete in an increasingly
continue to compete in an increasingly
continue to compete in an increasingly global market if you’re married to a
global market if you’re married to a
global market if you’re married to a British person it’s harder to get a visa
British person it’s harder to get a visa
British person it’s harder to get a visa although this has meant that families
although this has meant that families
although this has meant that families are increasingly likely to be split up
are increasingly likely to be split up
are increasingly likely to be split up and children could be separated from
and children could be separated from
and children could be separated from parents at years four years at a time
parents at years four years at a time
parents at years four years at a time one way of looking at these changes
one way of looking at these changes
one way of looking at these changes would be to say that by implementing
would be to say that by implementing
would be to say that by implementing them we’ve deprived ourselves of income
them we’ve deprived ourselves of income
them we’ve deprived ourselves of income from international students we’ve
from international students we’ve
from international students we’ve hampered the opportunities of
hampered the opportunities of
hampered the opportunities of international of UK businesses in an
international of UK businesses in an
international of UK businesses in an international market and we’ve
international market and we’ve
international market and we’ve destabilized families
destabilized families
destabilized families another way of looking at them would be
another way of looking at them would be
another way of looking at them would be to say that we’ve helps to reduce the
to say that we’ve helps to reduce the
to say that we’ve helps to reduce the immigration and therefore we’ve
immigration and therefore we’ve
immigration and therefore we’ve satisfied public demand we can see that
satisfied public demand we can see that
satisfied public demand we can see that the stories that people come across
the stories that people come across
the stories that people come across whether in the press in their personal
whether in the press in their personal
whether in the press in their personal life or from a friend in the pub can
life or from a friend in the pub can
life or from a friend in the pub can reinforce negative ideas about
reinforce negative ideas about
reinforce negative ideas about immigration and help to substantiate
immigration and help to substantiate
immigration and help to substantiate views that people hold that don’t
views that people hold that don’t
views that people hold that don’t necessarily reflect reality this leads
necessarily reflect reality this leads
necessarily reflect reality this leads to a public who are increasingly hostile
to a public who are increasingly hostile
to a public who are increasingly hostile to immigration with immigration itself
to immigration with immigration itself
to immigration with immigration itself now one of the single biggest issues of
now one of the single biggest issues of
now one of the single biggest issues of concern to British voters all of the
concern to British voters all of the
concern to British voters all of the time with the benefits of immigration
time with the benefits of immigration
time with the benefits of immigration are as real as ever it leads to
are as real as ever it leads to
are as real as ever it leads to to the negative rhetoric about
to the negative rhetoric about
to the negative rhetoric about immigration that we see represented
immigration that we see represented
immigration that we see represented behind me worth of oka sense that
behind me worth of oka sense that
behind me worth of oka sense that immigrants are different they are the
immigrants are different they are the
immigrants are different they are the other and they are to blame these
other and they are to blame these
other and they are to blame these negative views of immigration then feed
negative views of immigration then feed
negative views of immigration then feed into public policy leading to
into public policy leading to
into public policy leading to immigration rules which are tougher and
immigration rules which are tougher and
immigration rules which are tougher and more restrictive because the public
more restrictive because the public
more restrictive because the public concern that were seeking to address is
concern that were seeking to address is
concern that were seeking to address is that immigration is too high by seeking
that immigration is too high by seeking
that immigration is too high by seeking to address fears that immigration is too
to address fears that immigration is too
to address fears that immigration is too high without looking behind public
high without looking behind public
high without looking behind public opinion we actually run the risk of
opinion we actually run the risk of
opinion we actually run the risk of failing to address the real concerns
failing to address the real concerns
failing to address the real concerns after all if the public is concerned
after all if the public is concerned
after all if the public is concerned that immigration is too high because
that immigration is too high because
that immigration is too high because immigrants disproportionately claim
immigrants disproportionately claim
immigrants disproportionately claim benefits that suggests they have deeper
benefits that suggests they have deeper
benefits that suggests they have deeper concerns about pressures on public
concerns about pressures on public
concerns about pressures on public finances but if in reality immigrants
finances but if in reality immigrants
finances but if in reality immigrants aren’t claiming benefits on any
aren’t claiming benefits on any
aren’t claiming benefits on any significant scale then reducing
significant scale then reducing
significant scale then reducing immigration won’t actually have any
immigration won’t actually have any
immigration won’t actually have any impact on public finances and it could
impact on public finances and it could
impact on public finances and it could actually make things worse after all we
actually make things worse after all we
actually make things worse after all we have an aging population we may need the
have an aging population we may need the
have an aging population we may need the tax contributions from younger
tax contributions from younger
tax contributions from younger immigrants in order to fund the pensions
immigrants in order to fund the pensions
immigrants in order to fund the pensions health and social care of our aging
health and social care of our aging
health and social care of our aging native population simply acquiescing to
native population simply acquiescing to
native population simply acquiescing to public opinion also ignores the moral
public opinion also ignores the moral
public opinion also ignores the moral and legal obligations we have with
and legal obligations we have with
and legal obligations we have with regard to taking in refugees to
regard to taking in refugees to
regard to taking in refugees to facilitating family life and protecting
facilitating family life and protecting
facilitating family life and protecting the most vulnerable in society I dare
the most vulnerable in society I dare
the most vulnerable in society I dare fall in love to simply argue for an
fall in love to simply argue for an
fall in love to simply argue for an immigration policy which ignores public
immigration policy which ignores public
immigration policy which ignores public opinion one rooted in fact yes but also
opinion one rooted in fact yes but also
opinion one rooted in fact yes but also compassion and respect for human rights
compassion and respect for human rights
compassion and respect for human rights unfortunately the ripples of public
unfortunately the ripples of public
unfortunately the ripples of public opinion on policy seem too strong to
opinion on policy seem too strong to
opinion on policy seem too strong to ignore so instead of just advocating for
ignore so instead of just advocating for
ignore so instead of just advocating for a barrier between unfounded public
a barrier between unfounded public
a barrier between unfounded public opinion and the policies that it creates
opinion and the policies that it creates
opinion and the policies that it creates I think we need to learn to be better
I think we need to learn to be better
I think we need to learn to be better immigration defenders we need to learn
immigration defenders we need to learn
immigration defenders we need to learn how to tell stories and not just
how to tell stories and not just
how to tell stories and not just statistics I think we’re starting to see
statistics I think we’re starting to see
statistics I think we’re starting to see that although public opinion remains
that although public opinion remains
that although public opinion remains overwhelmingly anti-immigration there
overwhelmingly anti-immigration there
overwhelmingly anti-immigration there have been some glimpses of
have been some glimpses of
have been some glimpses of pro-immigration sentiments and these
pro-immigration sentiments and these
pro-immigration sentiments and these have largely been the results of human
have largely been the results of human
have largely been the results of human stories
most heartbreakingly we can look at the
most heartbreakingly we can look at the at the story of Alan Kurdi the Syrian
at the story of Alan Kurdi the Syrian
at the story of Alan Kurdi the Syrian refugee child who was found dead on a
refugee child who was found dead on a
refugee child who was found dead on a beach his image and the unfiltered image
beach his image and the unfiltered image
beach his image and the unfiltered image of his death that it represented to many
of his death that it represented to many
of his death that it represented to many showed this very human suffering at the
showed this very human suffering at the
showed this very human suffering at the heart of the refugee crisis and
heart of the refugee crisis and
heart of the refugee crisis and generated compassion for an issue which
generated compassion for an issue which
generated compassion for an issue which up until then had been lacking it scenes
up until then had been lacking it scenes
up until then had been lacking it scenes of families being split up at airports
of families being split up at airports
of families being split up at airports following the imposition of transfers
following the imposition of transfers
following the imposition of transfers travel ban generated public vocal and
travel ban generated public vocal and
travel ban generated public vocal and global support for those immigrants and
global support for those immigrants and
global support for those immigrants and global condemnation for the ban the
global condemnation for the ban the
global condemnation for the ban the story of a Singapore woman irene canal
story of a Singapore woman irene canal
story of a Singapore woman irene canal who’d been married to a British man for
who’d been married to a British man for
who’d been married to a British man for 27 years but was removed from the UK
27 years but was removed from the UK
27 years but was removed from the UK recently because she didn’t hold a valid
recently because she didn’t hold a valid
recently because she didn’t hold a valid visa attracted considerable press
visa attracted considerable press
visa attracted considerable press attention and public support including
attention and public support including
attention and public support including significant financial support as we can
significant financial support as we can
significant financial support as we can see on this particular story I was asked
see on this particular story I was asked
see on this particular story I was asked by a number of family and friends how
by a number of family and friends how
by a number of family and friends how could this happen
could this happen
could this happen wasn’t it outrageous I thought well yes
wasn’t it outrageous I thought well yes
wasn’t it outrageous I thought well yes it’s outrageous but in UK immigration
it’s outrageous but in UK immigration
it’s outrageous but in UK immigration terms it wasn’t unusual in the slightest
terms it wasn’t unusual in the slightest
terms it wasn’t unusual in the slightest I see the sort of thing all the time and
I see the sort of thing all the time and
I see the sort of thing all the time and then I realised this was it this was my
then I realised this was it this was my
then I realised this was it this was my story the next time I’m called upon to
story the next time I’m called upon to
story the next time I’m called upon to defend immigration I would draw
defend immigration I would draw
defend immigration I would draw attention to stories like this for this
attention to stories like this for this
attention to stories like this for this is how I think we begin to actually turn
is how I think we begin to actually turn
is how I think we begin to actually turn the tide of public opinion not by
the tide of public opinion not by
the tide of public opinion not by pandering to a false narrative but by
pandering to a false narrative but by
pandering to a false narrative but by telling stories that people care about
telling stories that people care about
telling stories that people care about by informing people of the facts with
by informing people of the facts with
by informing people of the facts with nonfiction stories for stories seem to
nonfiction stories for stories seem to
nonfiction stories for stories seem to have a sticking power in people’s minds
have a sticking power in people’s minds
have a sticking power in people’s minds in a way that statistics simply don’t we
in a way that statistics simply don’t we
in a way that statistics simply don’t we can see this on a broader scale with
can see this on a broader scale with
can see this on a broader scale with reference to the British social
reference to the British social
reference to the British social attitudes survey which in 2014 asked the
attitudes survey which in 2014 asked the
attitudes survey which in 2014 asked the public for their view on the impact of
public for their view on the impact of
public for their view on the impact of immigration they divided their results
immigration they divided their results
immigration they divided their results up based on whether the respondents
up based on whether the respondents
up based on whether the respondents considered themselves to have friends
considered themselves to have friends
considered themselves to have friends who were migrants among those who said
who were migrants among those who said
who were migrants among those who said they had several friends who were
they had several friends who were
they had several friends who were migrants 70% had a positive or neutral
migrants 70% had a positive or neutral
migrants 70% had a positive or neutral view of the cultural and economic
view of the cultural and economic
view of the cultural and economic perhaps of immigration by contrast
perhaps of immigration by contrast
perhaps of immigration by contrast amongst those who consider themselves to
amongst those who consider themselves to
amongst those who consider themselves to have no friends who are migrants sixty
have no friends who are migrants sixty
have no friends who are migrants sixty percent had a negative view of
percent had a negative view of
percent had a negative view of immigration people therefore with lived
immigration people therefore with lived
immigration people therefore with lived experience of migrants stories are much
experience of migrants stories are much
experience of migrants stories are much more likely to have a positive view of
more likely to have a positive view of
more likely to have a positive view of immigration and what do we stand to gain
immigration and what do we stand to gain
immigration and what do we stand to gain if we can begin to tell the stories of
if we can begin to tell the stories of
if we can begin to tell the stories of immigrants rather than the statistical
immigrants rather than the statistical
immigrants rather than the statistical impact of immigration we can change the
impact of immigration we can change the
impact of immigration we can change the trajectory of public opinion on
trajectory of public opinion on
trajectory of public opinion on immigration and if negative public
immigration and if negative public
immigration and if negative public opinion ripples into policies aimed at
opinion ripples into policies aimed at
opinion ripples into policies aimed at reducing immigration it must be the case
reducing immigration it must be the case
reducing immigration it must be the case that positive public opinion could have
that positive public opinion could have
that positive public opinion could have the opposite effect removing the
the opposite effect removing the
the opposite effect removing the pressure of negative opinion would also
pressure of negative opinion would also
pressure of negative opinion would also free politicians to take a more
free politicians to take a more
free politicians to take a more compassionate stance on refugees and
compassionate stance on refugees and
compassionate stance on refugees and families separated by the UK immigration
families separated by the UK immigration
families separated by the UK immigration rules in 2016 it was suggested having a
rules in 2016 it was suggested having a
rules in 2016 it was suggested having a slight tech issue if you bear with me
that the UK could take up to 3,000 of
that the UK could take up to 3,000 of the approximately 90,000 unaccompanied
the approximately 90,000 unaccompanied
the approximately 90,000 unaccompanied child refugees across Europe in late
child refugees across Europe in late
child refugees across Europe in late 2016 some of these children began
2016 some of these children began
2016 some of these children began arriving in the UK and their arrival was
arriving in the UK and their arrival was
arriving in the UK and their arrival was accompanied with headlines like this
accompanied with headlines like this
accompanied with headlines like this news stories which focused on their age
news stories which focused on their age
news stories which focused on their age and cast doubt on whether they could
and cast doubt on whether they could
and cast doubt on whether they could really be under 18 these stories didn’t
really be under 18 these stories didn’t
really be under 18 these stories didn’t tell the stories of the arduous and
tell the stories of the arduous and
tell the stories of the arduous and dangerous journeys that these children
dangerous journeys that these children
dangerous journeys that these children had made the headlines didn’t detail the
had made the headlines didn’t detail the
had made the headlines didn’t detail the lives that these children were fleeing
lives that these children were fleeing
lives that these children were fleeing instead they cast the children as
instead they cast the children as
instead they cast the children as threatening as liars and as a burden in
threatening as liars and as a burden in
threatening as liars and as a burden in the negative light cast by these stories
the negative light cast by these stories
the negative light cast by these stories the government has announced that the
the government has announced that the
the government has announced that the programmes will now close with only 350
programmes will now close with only 350
programmes will now close with only 350 children barely 10% of the original
children barely 10% of the original
children barely 10% of the original estimate having benefited from it how we
estimate having benefited from it how we
estimate having benefited from it how we see these children and the stories we
see these children and the stories we
see these children and the stories we hear about them matter stories about
hear about them matter stories about
hear about them matter stories about immigration in all its forms matter and
immigration in all its forms matter and
immigration in all its forms matter and they can make a difference because
they can make a difference because
they can make a difference because ultimately it is these stories which
ultimately it is these stories which
ultimately it is these stories which have the capacity to transform how we
have the capacity to transform how we
have the capacity to transform how we think about immigration these stories
think about immigration these stories
think about immigration these stories are the way we change public opinion and
are the way we change public opinion and
are the way we change public opinion and public debate about immigration and the
public debate about immigration and the
public debate about immigration and the influence that those debates have on
influence that those debates have on
influence that those debates have on policy
policy
policy Irene Finnell the Singaporean woman
Irene Finnell the Singaporean woman
Irene Finnell the Singaporean woman recently removed from the UK wrote about
recently removed from the UK wrote about
recently removed from the UK wrote about her experience shortly after removal she
her experience shortly after removal she
her experience shortly after removal she concluded with an appeal to those who
concluded with an appeal to those who
concluded with an appeal to those who have made migrant a term of abuse to
have made migrant a term of abuse to
have made migrant a term of abuse to consider the human cost of their actions
consider the human cost of their actions
consider the human cost of their actions I think Irene has perfectly summed up
I think Irene has perfectly summed up
I think Irene has perfectly summed up the challenge that lies before us the
the challenge that lies before us the
the challenge that lies before us the prize though in successfully changing
prize though in successfully changing
prize though in successfully changing attitudes and humanizing views on
attitudes and humanizing views on
attitudes and humanizing views on immigration is clear we can change the
immigration is clear we can change the
immigration is clear we can change the rhetoric on immigration from this to
rhetoric on immigration from this to
rhetoric on immigration from this to this for all of us who believe it is
this for all of us who believe it is
this for all of us who believe it is important to have an immigration policy
important to have an immigration policy
important to have an immigration policy rooted in fact and underpinned by
rooted in fact and underpinned by
rooted in fact and underpinned by compassion and respect for human rights
compassion and respect for human rights
compassion and respect for human rights the time to start telling these stories
the time to start telling these stories
the time to start telling these stories is now for I believe if we want to
is now for I believe if we want to
is now for I believe if we want to achieve this goal we all need to learn
achieve this goal we all need to learn
achieve this goal we all need to learn to be
to be
to be better immigration defenders thank you
better immigration defenders thank you
better immigration defenders thank you [Applause]
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