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okay what I’d like you to do is to

okay what I’d like you to do is to please turn to the person next to you

please turn to the person next to you

please turn to the person next to you and I’d like you to arm wrestle with

and I’d like you to arm wrestle with

and I’d like you to arm wrestle with them and I’d like you to do that for 15

them and I’d like you to do that for 15

them and I’d like you to do that for 15 seconds and the aim of the game guys is

seconds and the aim of the game guys is

seconds and the aim of the game guys is to get as many points as you possibly

to get as many points as you possibly

to get as many points as you possibly can so 15 seconds as many points as you

can so 15 seconds as many points as you

can so 15 seconds as many points as you can turn to the person next to you after

can turn to the person next to you after

can turn to the person next to you after you go

all right that’s time thank you thank

all right that’s time thank you thank you very much ladies and gents

you very much ladies and gents

you very much ladies and gents you can stop armwrestling now okay so

you can stop armwrestling now okay so

you can stop armwrestling now okay so so what I have just asked you to do it’s

so what I have just asked you to do it’s

so what I have just asked you to do it’s an exercise that I do regularly in my

an exercise that I do regularly in my

an exercise that I do regularly in my day job so my day job is I teach people

day job so my day job is I teach people

day job so my day job is I teach people how to negotiate I teach them how to be

how to negotiate I teach them how to be

how to negotiate I teach them how to be more confident when they negotiate and

more confident when they negotiate and

more confident when they negotiate and how to understand their counterparty

how to understand their counterparty

how to understand their counterparty when they negotiate and also as part of

when they negotiate and also as part of

when they negotiate and also as part of my work I like to challenge conventional

my work I like to challenge conventional

my work I like to challenge conventional thinking about negotiation this idea

thinking about negotiation this idea

thinking about negotiation this idea that you’ve got to be a ballbreaker to

that you’ve got to be a ballbreaker to

that you’ve got to be a ballbreaker to be a fantastic negotiator I just don’t

be a fantastic negotiator I just don’t

be a fantastic negotiator I just don’t buy that but I am often confronted by

buy that but I am often confronted by

buy that but I am often confronted by this idea that men and women are

this idea that men and women are

this idea that men and women are different when they negotiate and one of

different when they negotiate and one of

different when they negotiate and one of those differences is that people

those differences is that people

those differences is that people routinely say women are naturally more

routinely say women are naturally more

routinely say women are naturally more collaborative and men are naturally more

collaborative and men are naturally more

collaborative and men are naturally more competitive and yet the arm-wrestle

competitive and yet the arm-wrestle

competitive and yet the arm-wrestle exercise tells us that’s not necessarily

exercise tells us that’s not necessarily

exercise tells us that’s not necessarily the case because of course there are two

the case because of course there are two

the case because of course there are two ways that you could carry out that

ways that you could carry out that

ways that you could carry out that arm-wrestle aren’t there and what most

arm-wrestle aren’t there and what most

arm-wrestle aren’t there and what most of you did in this room was the very

of you did in this room was the very

of you did in this room was the very traditional competitive way of

traditional competitive way of

traditional competitive way of armwrestling despite the fact I told you

armwrestling despite the fact I told you

armwrestling despite the fact I told you three times and I don’t know if you

three times and I don’t know if you

three times and I don’t know if you noticed this I told you three times you

noticed this I told you three times you

noticed this I told you three times you had 15 seconds to get as many points as

had 15 seconds to get as many points as

had 15 seconds to get as many points as you can so your objective was to achieve

you can so your objective was to achieve

you can so your objective was to achieve as many points as you can so you could

as many points as you can so you could

as many points as you can so you could have approached that competitively which

have approached that competitively which

have approached that competitively which many of you did and believe me it looks

many of you did and believe me it looks

many of you did and believe me it looks something like this but there’s another

something like this but there’s another

something like this but there’s another way isn’t there there’s another way you

way isn’t there there’s another way you

way isn’t there there’s another way you could have approached that exercise and

could have approached that exercise and

could have approached that exercise and that is you could have turned to the

that is you could have turned to the

that is you could have turned to the person next year you could have adopted

person next year you could have adopted

person next year you could have adopted the traditional armwrestling stance

the traditional armwrestling stance

the traditional armwrestling stance thought about your objective of getting

thought about your objective of getting

thought about your objective of getting as many points as you can and what you

as many points as you can and what you

as many points as you can and what you then would have done is work together

then would have done is work together

then would have done is work together and collaborated to do something like

and collaborated to do something like

and collaborated to do something like this but of course people don’t tend to

this but of course people don’t tend to

this but of course people don’t tend to do that and actually what I’ve come to

do that and actually what I’ve come to

do that and actually what I’ve come to the realization of over the time that

the realization of over the time that

the realization of over the time that I’ve been doing my job

I’ve been doing my job

I’ve been doing my job is it’s not as straightforward as women

is it’s not as straightforward as women

is it’s not as straightforward as women are collaborative men are competitive

are collaborative men are competitive

are collaborative men are competitive it’s an interesting one actually because

it’s an interesting one actually because

it’s an interesting one actually because I believe that so many of us

I believe that so many of us

I believe that so many of us self-identify as collaborative we say

self-identify as collaborative we say

self-identify as collaborative we say were collaborative we say we like

were collaborative we say we like

were collaborative we say we like working in partnership but actually as

working in partnership but actually as

working in partnership but actually as human beings our instinct

human beings our instinct

human beings our instinct is to compete our instinct is to try and

is to compete our instinct is to try and

is to compete our instinct is to try and win and I just want to say there is

win and I just want to say there is

win and I just want to say there is nothing wrong with that as long as we

nothing wrong with that as long as we

nothing wrong with that as long as we harness it and do it in the right way

harness it and do it in the right way

harness it and do it in the right way and that’s what I want to talk to you

and that’s what I want to talk to you

and that’s what I want to talk to you about today so let’s think about

about today so let’s think about

about today so let’s think about collaboration so collaboration as I said

collaboration so collaboration as I said

collaboration so collaboration as I said already is the thing we aspire to it’s

already is the thing we aspire to it’s

already is the thing we aspire to it’s the thing that we claim that we do it’s

the thing that we claim that we do it’s

the thing that we claim that we do it’s the thing that is fated it’s what

the thing that is fated it’s what

the thing that is fated it’s what promoted in business and yet so many of

promoted in business and yet so many of

promoted in business and yet so many of us simply don’t do it we say we’re going

us simply don’t do it we say we’re going

us simply don’t do it we say we’re going to collaborate but then often we do

to collaborate but then often we do

to collaborate but then often we do things completely that are opposite and

things completely that are opposite and

things completely that are opposite and so often in my line of work I will say

so often in my line of work I will say

so often in my line of work I will say to people how are you going to enter

to people how are you going to enter

to people how are you going to enter into this business transaction how are

into this business transaction how are

into this business transaction how are you going to conduct yourself in this

you going to conduct yourself in this

you going to conduct yourself in this negotiation and they’ll say I’m going to

negotiation and they’ll say I’m going to

negotiation and they’ll say I’m going to collaborate but then they don’t they go

collaborate but then they don’t they go

collaborate but then they don’t they go out and out to try and win for

out and out to try and win for

out and out to try and win for themselves and you know what they end up

themselves and you know what they end up

themselves and you know what they end up losing in the long term so whilst

losing in the long term so whilst

losing in the long term so whilst collaboration is something that we

collaboration is something that we

collaboration is something that we aspire to and we say we want to do so

aspire to and we say we want to do so

aspire to and we say we want to do so often we don’t do it and you know why

often we don’t do it and you know why

often we don’t do it and you know why it’s because collaboration is hard it’s

it’s because collaboration is hard it’s

it’s because collaboration is hard it’s difficult it’s frustrating it’s

difficult it’s frustrating it’s

difficult it’s frustrating it’s time-consuming it’s challenging it’s

time-consuming it’s challenging it’s

time-consuming it’s challenging it’s about understanding other people

about understanding other people

about understanding other people sometimes putting them before you and

sometimes putting them before you and

sometimes putting them before you and that’s hard partnership is hard isn’t it

that’s hard partnership is hard isn’t it

that’s hard partnership is hard isn’t it whether that’s a marriage or whether

whether that’s a marriage or whether

whether that’s a marriage or whether that’s a business relationship true

that’s a business relationship true

that’s a business relationship true partnership is difficult but when we do

partnership is difficult but when we do

partnership is difficult but when we do it well it delivers huge results but so

it well it delivers huge results but so

it well it delivers huge results but so often it’s a tick box exercise and

often it’s a tick box exercise and

often it’s a tick box exercise and competitiveness I believe

competitiveness I believe

competitiveness I believe competitiveness is actually our default

competitiveness is actually our default

competitiveness is actually our default position as human beings we’ve been

position as human beings we’ve been

position as human beings we’ve been conditioned to want to win and you know

conditioned to want to win and you know

conditioned to want to win and you know what it’s been like that since the dawn

what it’s been like that since the dawn

what it’s been like that since the dawn of time I actually don’t know anyone who

of time I actually don’t know anyone who

of time I actually don’t know anyone who wakes up in the morning and thinks to

wakes up in the morning and thinks to

wakes up in the morning and thinks to themselves today I’d like to lose I’d

themselves today I’d like to lose I’d

themselves today I’d like to lose I’d like to be below par second-best really

like to be below par second-best really

like to be below par second-best really not that impressive yet that’s me off I

not that impressive yet that’s me off I

not that impressive yet that’s me off I go no one does that unfortunately there

go no one does that unfortunately there

go no one does that unfortunately there are people who wake up in the morning

are people who wake up in the morning

are people who wake up in the morning look in the mirror and go today I’m

look in the mirror and go today I’m

look in the mirror and go today I’m going to win I’m a winner I’m not saying

going to win I’m a winner I’m not saying

going to win I’m a winner I’m not saying you should do that

you should do that

you should do that but I do think we need to recognize that

but I do think we need to recognize that

but I do think we need to recognize that often our default position is to compete

often our default position is to compete

often our default position is to compete and you know what there’s nothing wrong

and you know what there’s nothing wrong

and you know what there’s nothing wrong with that there is nothing wrong with

with that there is nothing wrong with

with that there is nothing wrong with trying to be the best that you

trying to be the best that you

trying to be the best that you the so often competitiveness is

the so often competitiveness is

the so often competitiveness is demonized it’s seen as negative

demonized it’s seen as negative

demonized it’s seen as negative particularly when women exhibit

particularly when women exhibit

particularly when women exhibit competitive behaviors we are demonized

competitive behaviors we are demonized

competitive behaviors we are demonized for it and yet competitiveness is

for it and yet competitiveness is

for it and yet competitiveness is essential to a successful society

essential to a successful society

essential to a successful society because competitiveness that will to win

because competitiveness that will to win

because competitiveness that will to win to want to be the best is what drives

to want to be the best is what drives

to want to be the best is what drives innovation it’s what drives change it’s

innovation it’s what drives change it’s

innovation it’s what drives change it’s what allows pioneers to keep working and

what allows pioneers to keep working and

what allows pioneers to keep working and striving and trying to be the best they

striving and trying to be the best they

striving and trying to be the best they can be

can be

can be it’s what allows scientific breakthrough

it’s what allows scientific breakthrough

it’s what allows scientific breakthrough competitiveness if used in the right way

competitiveness if used in the right way

competitiveness if used in the right way is a fantastic thing however if you

is a fantastic thing however if you

is a fantastic thing however if you compete and try to win only for yourself

compete and try to win only for yourself

compete and try to win only for yourself or at the expense of others you will end

or at the expense of others you will end

or at the expense of others you will end up losing in the longer term and I see

up losing in the longer term and I see

up losing in the longer term and I see it in business all the time I see it in

it in business all the time I see it in

it in business all the time I see it in negotiation all the time people go into

negotiation all the time people go into

negotiation all the time people go into a negotiation with their counterpart

a negotiation with their counterpart

a negotiation with their counterpart they recognize that they’ve got more

they recognize that they’ve got more

they recognize that they’ve got more power they go in there to try and win

power they go in there to try and win

power they go in there to try and win and beat them and they bully them all

and beat them and they bully them all

and beat them and they bully them all the way through the transaction all the

the way through the transaction all the

the way through the transaction all the way through the negotiation and at the

way through the negotiation and at the

way through the negotiation and at the end the deal is still done because the

end the deal is still done because the

end the deal is still done because the other side has no choice by that point

other side has no choice by that point

other side has no choice by that point but you know as well as I do that person

but you know as well as I do that person

but you know as well as I do that person they’ve been negotiating with over the

they’ve been negotiating with over the

they’ve been negotiating with over the lifetime of that contract or the

lifetime of that contract or the

lifetime of that contract or the lifetime of that working relationship

lifetime of that working relationship

lifetime of that working relationship they’re not going to trust each other

they’re not going to trust each other

they’re not going to trust each other it’s going to be strained they’re never

it’s going to be strained they’re never

it’s going to be strained they’re never going to go the extra mile for each

going to go the extra mile for each

going to go the extra mile for each other so sometimes I need to win can see

other so sometimes I need to win can see

other so sometimes I need to win can see as loose in the longer term now it’s

as loose in the longer term now it’s

as loose in the longer term now it’s interesting because to me we tend to

interesting because to me we tend to

interesting because to me we tend to view collaboration and competitiveness

view collaboration and competitiveness

view collaboration and competitiveness in isolation you are either one or the

in isolation you are either one or the

in isolation you are either one or the other you are naturally one or the other

other you are naturally one or the other

other you are naturally one or the other or you have to approach every situation

or you have to approach every situation

or you have to approach every situation with one particular mindset but over the

with one particular mindset but over the

with one particular mindset but over the course of my work my view is that

course of my work my view is that

course of my work my view is that actually if we marry the two if we take

actually if we marry the two if we take

actually if we marry the two if we take the best from collaborative behaviors

the best from collaborative behaviors

the best from collaborative behaviors and we take the best from

and we take the best from

and we take the best from competitiveness we can all achieve more

competitiveness we can all achieve more

competitiveness we can all achieve more together and that’s how collaborative

together and that’s how collaborative

together and that’s how collaborative competitiveness was born for me by

competitiveness was born for me by

competitiveness was born for me by putting the two together we all start to

putting the two together we all start to

putting the two together we all start to win so what is collaborative

win so what is collaborative

win so what is collaborative competitiveness collaborative

competitiveness collaborative

competitiveness collaborative competitiveness is about approaching

competitiveness is about approaching

competitiveness is about approaching every situation trying to win but in the

every situation trying to win but in the

every situation trying to win but in the right way

right way

right way it’s about striving to succeed it’s

it’s about striving to succeed it’s

it’s about striving to succeed it’s about trying to be the best but not at

about trying to be the best but not at

about trying to be the best but not at the expense of others and it’s about

the expense of others and it’s about

the expense of others and it’s about reclaiming competitiveness it’s about as

reclaiming competitiveness it’s about as

reclaiming competitiveness it’s about as being able to stand up and say without

being able to stand up and say without

being able to stand up and say without any shame I want to be the best I can be

any shame I want to be the best I can be

any shame I want to be the best I can be I want to achieve and I’m not

I want to achieve and I’m not

I want to achieve and I’m not embarrassed about that because you know

embarrassed about that because you know

embarrassed about that because you know what I’m going to take other people with

what I’m going to take other people with

what I’m going to take other people with me as well so for me it’s about striving

me as well so for me it’s about striving

me as well so for me it’s about striving to achieve but not at the expense of

to achieve but not at the expense of

to achieve but not at the expense of other people it’s about unlocking your

other people it’s about unlocking your

other people it’s about unlocking your potential whilst helping others to

potential whilst helping others to

potential whilst helping others to unlock theirs it’s about striving to

unlock theirs it’s about striving to

unlock theirs it’s about striving to meet your ambitions whilst making sure

meet your ambitions whilst making sure

meet your ambitions whilst making sure you’re not stamping all over the

you’re not stamping all over the

you’re not stamping all over the ambitions of other people and you know

ambitions of other people and you know

ambitions of other people and you know what when you marry collaborative

what when you marry collaborative

what when you marry collaborative competitiveness when you bring them

competitiveness when you bring them

competitiveness when you bring them together when you create collaborative

together when you create collaborative

together when you create collaborative competitiveness each one makes the other

competitiveness each one makes the other

competitiveness each one makes the other better so actually if you’re trying to

better so actually if you’re trying to

better so actually if you’re trying to be the best that you can be if you can

be the best that you can be if you can

be the best that you can be if you can collaborate with others whilst doing

collaborate with others whilst doing

collaborate with others whilst doing that you will win bigger because you

that you will win bigger because you

that you will win bigger because you will have enhanced creativity enhanced

will have enhanced creativity enhanced

will have enhanced creativity enhanced ability to make robust decisions you

ability to make robust decisions you

ability to make robust decisions you will be far more innovative and

will be far more innovative and

will be far more innovative and similarly if we are able to apply that

similarly if we are able to apply that

similarly if we are able to apply that desire to succeed that desire to achieve

desire to succeed that desire to achieve

desire to succeed that desire to achieve that desire to be the best when we are

that desire to be the best when we are

that desire to be the best when we are working with others then guess what we

working with others then guess what we

working with others then guess what we will all start to win bigger and we will

will all start to win bigger and we will

will all start to win bigger and we will get bigger better and bolder results so

get bigger better and bolder results so

get bigger better and bolder results so collaborative competitiveness it will

collaborative competitiveness it will

collaborative competitiveness it will help you win but it will help them win

help you win but it will help them win

help you win but it will help them win too and I want us to think of a world if

too and I want us to think of a world if

too and I want us to think of a world if we were all just a little bit more

we were all just a little bit more

we were all just a little bit more collaboratively competitiveness sorry

collaboratively competitiveness sorry

collaboratively competitiveness sorry collaboratively competitive think of a

collaboratively competitive think of a

collaboratively competitive think of a world if we all lived our lives with a

world if we all lived our lives with a

world if we all lived our lives with a dose of collaborative competitiveness

dose of collaborative competitiveness

dose of collaborative competitiveness think of what it might mean if we were

think of what it might mean if we were

think of what it might mean if we were trying to be the best that we could be

trying to be the best that we could be

trying to be the best that we could be but taking people with us at the same

but taking people with us at the same

but taking people with us at the same time if when we were trying to win we

time if when we were trying to win we

time if when we were trying to win we were trying to win for us but we were

were trying to win for us but we were

were trying to win for us but we were also trying to win for other people

also trying to win for other people

also trying to win for other people within our communities other people

within our communities other people

within our communities other people within our organizations people at the

within our organizations people at the

within our organizations people at the other side of the world we could create

other side of the world we could create

other side of the world we could create real change and we could start it right

real change and we could start it right

real change and we could start it right here we could all make a commitment to

here we could all make a commitment to

here we could all make a commitment to being collaboratively competitive in

being collaboratively competitive in

being collaboratively competitive in every decision we make

every decision we make

every decision we make every action we take it’s a small change

every action we take it’s a small change

every action we take it’s a small change but it could deliver big big impact for

but it could deliver big big impact for

but it could deliver big big impact for politics for how parties conduct

politics for how parties conduct

politics for how parties conduct themselves for how public policy is

themselves for how public policy is

themselves for how public policy is developed and applied for how funding is

developed and applied for how funding is

developed and applied for how funding is distributed and in business think of the

distributed and in business think of the

distributed and in business think of the impact it would have on productivity on

impact it would have on productivity on

impact it would have on productivity on innovation on our ability to create and

innovation on our ability to create and

innovation on our ability to create and just develop a well where everyone is

just develop a well where everyone is

just develop a well where everyone is included collaborative competitiveness

included collaborative competitiveness

included collaborative competitiveness we can all start here we can all make a

we can all start here we can all make a

we can all start here we can all make a commitment to make the world change it’s

commitment to make the world change it’s

commitment to make the world change it’s a small thing that we can do when I want

a small thing that we can do when I want

a small thing that we can do when I want you to think about collaborative

you to think about collaborative

you to think about collaborative competitiveness I want you to think you

competitiveness I want you to think you

competitiveness I want you to think you can do this you can own it and you can

can do this you can own it and you can

can do this you can own it and you can tell the person next to you to do it and

tell the person next to you to do it and

tell the person next to you to do it and own it as well tweet out what are you

own it as well tweet out what are you

own it as well tweet out what are you going to do today to be more

going to do today to be more

going to do today to be more collaboratively competitive together we

collaboratively competitive together we

collaboratively competitive together we could change the world who’s with me

could change the world who’s with me

could change the world who’s with me [Applause]

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