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Swimming Aimlessly: Getting Men to Talk About Infertility | Jon Waldman | TEDxWinnipeg


by a show of hands how many of you know

by a show of hands how many of you know a male that is struggling with

a male that is struggling with

a male that is struggling with infertility okay and by a show of hands

infertility okay and by a show of hands

infertility okay and by a show of hands how many of you know female that is

how many of you know female that is

how many of you know female that is struggling with infertility okay it’s

struggling with infertility okay it’s

struggling with infertility okay it’s not surprising that more of you know a

not surprising that more of you know a

not surprising that more of you know a female than a male who is struggling why

female than a male who is struggling why

female than a male who is struggling why because and I know this is gonna be an

because and I know this is gonna be an

because and I know this is gonna be an absolutely shocking revelation men don’t

absolutely shocking revelation men don’t

absolutely shocking revelation men don’t talk about infertility in 2007 after

talk about infertility in 2007 after

talk about infertility in 2007 after dating for five years and being engaged

dating for five years and being engaged

dating for five years and being engaged for 19 months which was 19 months too

for 19 months which was 19 months too

for 19 months which was 19 months too long my wife and I decided that to get

long my wife and I decided that to get

long my wife and I decided that to get married

married

married almost immediately after we said our

almost immediately after we said our

almost immediately after we said our vows the inevitable question arose

ensures we just weren’t ready with our

ensures we just weren’t ready with our jobs and school being a priority a

jobs and school being a priority a

jobs and school being a priority a couple years later we began trying but

couple years later we began trying but

couple years later we began trying but nothing came of it things like basil

nothing came of it things like basil

nothing came of it things like basil thermometers became part of our sexual

thermometers became part of our sexual

thermometers became part of our sexual activity spontaneity that’s not

activity spontaneity that’s not

activity spontaneity that’s not something that happens when there are

something that happens when there are

something that happens when there are right days and right times to consider

right days and right times to consider

right days and right times to consider romance passion yeah that went out the

romance passion yeah that went out the

romance passion yeah that went out the window too after a while we got the test

window too after a while we got the test

window too after a while we got the test result that we wanted we were overjoyed

result that we wanted we were overjoyed

result that we wanted we were overjoyed but 11 weeks later we lost our child it

but 11 weeks later we lost our child it

but 11 weeks later we lost our child it was here that our infertility journey

was here that our infertility journey

was here that our infertility journey truly began up until his point we knew

truly began up until his point we knew

truly began up until his point we knew we were struggling but we were still in

we were struggling but we were still in

we were struggling but we were still in a time period before we could see a

a time period before we could see a

a time period before we could see a professional once we got into a

professional once we got into a

professional once we got into a fertility clinic things move very

fertility clinic things move very

fertility clinic things move very quickly we went through a series of

quickly we went through a series of

quickly we went through a series of tests and procedures accentuated by my

tests and procedures accentuated by my

tests and procedures accentuated by my taking a long walk down a little hallway

taking a long walk down a little hallway

taking a long walk down a little hallway passed a very nice nurse going into that

passed a very nice nurse going into that

passed a very nice nurse going into that little room where guys do what we do

little room where guys do what we do

little room where guys do what we do only for the lights to go out at the

only for the lights to go out at the

only for the lights to go out at the worst possible time as we continued on

worst possible time as we continued on

worst possible time as we continued on our journey we also dealt with our

our journey we also dealt with our

our journey we also dealt with our struggles individually I was supportive

struggles individually I was supportive

struggles individually I was supportive of my wife but I shut down on my side I

of my wife but I shut down on my side I

of my wife but I shut down on my side I didn’t talk about my fears and my sense

didn’t talk about my fears and my sense

didn’t talk about my fears and my sense of shortcoming I became nearly robotic

of shortcoming I became nearly robotic

of shortcoming I became nearly robotic it wasn’t until I hit an ultimate low

it wasn’t until I hit an ultimate low

it wasn’t until I hit an ultimate low that I finally smartened up and admitted

that I finally smartened up and admitted

that I finally smartened up and admitted I need help it was here that I began

I need help it was here that I began

I need help it was here that I began down a path that included

down a path that included

down a path that included antidepressants and counselling to if

antidepressants and counselling to if

antidepressants and counselling to if not right the way I was feeling at least

not right the way I was feeling at least

not right the way I was feeling at least find comfort and solace

find comfort and solace

find comfort and solace unfortunately this admission is far too

unfortunately this admission is far too

unfortunately this admission is far too unique couples struggling with

unique couples struggling with

unique couples struggling with infertility rarely speak the men in the

infertility rarely speak the men in the

infertility rarely speak the men in the relationships less so in particular I

relationships less so in particular I

relationships less so in particular I found that men have trouble talking with

found that men have trouble talking with

found that men have trouble talking with other men about their struggles my wife

other men about their struggles my wife

other men about their struggles my wife and I attended a support group but men

and I attended a support group but men

and I attended a support group but men rarely came on a regular basis and those

rarely came on a regular basis and those

rarely came on a regular basis and those who did rarely spoke even in social

who did rarely spoke even in social

who did rarely spoke even in social situations we didn’t talk about our

situations we didn’t talk about our

situations we didn’t talk about our journeys one night a group of couples

journeys one night a group of couples

journeys one night a group of couples got together for a night out on the town

got together for a night out on the town

got together for a night out on the town at the end of the night the women

at the end of the night the women

at the end of the night the women gathered on one side of the streets they

gathered on one side of the streets they

gathered on one side of the streets they talked about their procedures injections

talked about their procedures injections

talked about their procedures injections and the like the guys we basically got

and the like the guys we basically got

and the like the guys we basically got gathered on the other side and talked

gathered on the other side and talked

gathered on the other side and talked about work and hockey it’s something

about work and hockey it’s something

about work and hockey it’s something that I actually don’t find that uncommon

that I actually don’t find that uncommon

that I actually don’t find that uncommon nearly every conversation I’ve ever had

nearly every conversation I’ve ever had

nearly every conversation I’ve ever had with another guy has fallen into one of

with another guy has fallen into one of

with another guy has fallen into one of four categories one entertainment and

four categories one entertainment and

four categories one entertainment and sports two home renovations three

sports two home renovations three

sports two home renovations three financial ins and jobs or four things

financial ins and jobs or four things

financial ins and jobs or four things our kids do now the myth of

our kids do now the myth of

our kids do now the myth of is that men don’t talk we do it’s just

is that men don’t talk we do it’s just

is that men don’t talk we do it’s just that a lot of our conversation is

that a lot of our conversation is

that a lot of our conversation is superficial when you look at these

superficial when you look at these

superficial when you look at these topics there aren’t a lot of room for

topics there aren’t a lot of room for

topics there aren’t a lot of room for feelings so you can imagine the trouble

feelings so you can imagine the trouble

feelings so you can imagine the trouble that I had talking about my infertility

that I had talking about my infertility

that I had talking about my infertility issues it’s kind of understandable

issues it’s kind of understandable

issues it’s kind of understandable though from the listeners perspective

though from the listeners perspective

though from the listeners perspective when you consider how hard it is to be

when you consider how hard it is to be

when you consider how hard it is to be empathetic if you haven’t gone through

empathetic if you haven’t gone through

empathetic if you haven’t gone through infertility yourself of course though my

infertility yourself of course though my

infertility yourself of course though my situation isn’t that unique one in six

situation isn’t that unique one in six

situation isn’t that unique one in six Canadian couples struggle with

Canadian couples struggle with

Canadian couples struggle with infertility unfortunately there hasn’t

infertility unfortunately there hasn’t

infertility unfortunately there hasn’t been a lot of research done about how

been a lot of research done about how

been a lot of research done about how men deal with their infertility

men deal with their infertility

men deal with their infertility struggles and accompanying mental health

struggles and accompanying mental health

struggles and accompanying mental health issues as a result there is no clear

issues as a result there is no clear

issues as a result there is no clear path for how a man can find his wellness

path for how a man can find his wellness

path for how a man can find his wellness in reality though that road is as

in reality though that road is as

in reality though that road is as individual as the male is himself I can

individual as the male is himself I can

individual as the male is himself I can certainly say though that my experience

certainly say though that my experience

certainly say though that my experience was not the norm

was not the norm

was not the norm after being part of our infertility

after being part of our infertility

after being part of our infertility group for a number of months I was asked

group for a number of months I was asked

group for a number of months I was asked to speak about my story on broadcast

to speak about my story on broadcast

to speak about my story on broadcast radio I figured sure not a problem I

radio I figured sure not a problem I

radio I figured sure not a problem I done numerous shows in the past I’d be

done numerous shows in the past I’d be

done numerous shows in the past I’d be fine

fine

fine the problem was I had never done

the problem was I had never done

the problem was I had never done something so personal

something so personal

something so personal and I became nervous talking about

and I became nervous talking about

and I became nervous talking about things like sports or charitable causes

things like sports or charitable causes

things like sports or charitable causes I supported not a problem

I supported not a problem

I supported not a problem something like infertility then

something like infertility then

something like infertility then enveloped my life whole other animal I

enveloped my life whole other animal I

enveloped my life whole other animal I ended up doing the show but I did so

ended up doing the show but I did so

ended up doing the show but I did so anonymously funny thing though in that

anonymously funny thing though in that

anonymously funny thing though in that anonymity I found comfort I was able to

anonymity I found comfort I was able to

anonymity I found comfort I was able to share my story lift a huge burden off my

share my story lift a huge burden off my

share my story lift a huge burden off my shoulders what also helped me though was

shoulders what also helped me though was

shoulders what also helped me though was my nature of being a girl’s guy though

my nature of being a girl’s guy though

my nature of being a girl’s guy though it’s not a Wikipedia recognised term

it’s not a Wikipedia recognised term

it’s not a Wikipedia recognised term girls guys are those who have many

girls guys are those who have many

girls guys are those who have many female friends and as a result are

female friends and as a result are

female friends and as a result are exposed to talk about everything and I

exposed to talk about everything and I

exposed to talk about everything and I mean everything

mean everything

mean everything women much more than men are open and

women much more than men are open and

women much more than men are open and frank about the issues going on in their

frank about the issues going on in their

frank about the issues going on in their lives so what did this mean for me the

lives so what did this mean for me the

lives so what did this mean for me the normally taboo topics that come with

normally taboo topics that come with

normally taboo topics that come with infertility struggle weren’t that hard

infertility struggle weren’t that hard

infertility struggle weren’t that hard so with that anonymity and that openness

so with that anonymity and that openness

so with that anonymity and that openness I was able to move forward and tell my

I was able to move forward and tell my

I was able to move forward and tell my story and I was able to go forward later

story and I was able to go forward later

story and I was able to go forward later on and share my story through television

on and share my story through television

on and share my story through television as myself and I was able to share it on

as myself and I was able to share it on

as myself and I was able to share it on Facebook here’s where a really

Facebook here’s where a really

Facebook here’s where a really interesting thing happened others began

interesting thing happened others began

interesting thing happened others began to share their stories – sure I got the

to share their stories – sure I got the

to share their stories – sure I got the messages of support the messages of

messages of support the messages of

messages of support the messages of comfort from my friends and family but a

comfort from my friends and family but a

comfort from my friends and family but a funny thing happened as others people

funny thing happened as others people

funny thing happened as others people start to share their stories as well

start to share their stories as well

start to share their stories as well whether they had gone through problems

whether they had gone through problems

whether they had gone through problems in the past or whether they were

in the past or whether they were

in the past or whether they were currently going through issues they

currently going through issues they

currently going through issues they began to share and suddenly that

began to share and suddenly that

began to share and suddenly that one-in-six statistic that seems so far

one-in-six statistic that seems so far

one-in-six statistic that seems so far away when you’re isolated in your

away when you’re isolated in your

away when you’re isolated in your thoughts became that much more real what

thoughts became that much more real what

thoughts became that much more real what I was also able to do was return to my

I was also able to do was return to my

I was also able to do was return to my wife and start to talk about my issues

wife and start to talk about my issues

wife and start to talk about my issues as they believe shortcoming and as a

as they believe shortcoming and as a

as they believe shortcoming and as a result we were able to move further

result we were able to move further

result we were able to move further stronger together so how is it that you

stronger together so how is it that you

stronger together so how is it that you reach this point it’s really two pieces

reach this point it’s really two pieces

reach this point it’s really two pieces first of all recognize recognize when

first of all recognize recognize when

first of all recognize recognize when the male is ready to talk this goes for

the male is ready to talk this goes for

the male is ready to talk this goes for both the men and the women in the

both the men and the women in the

both the men and the women in the relationship it is so hard to look

relationship it is so hard to look

relationship it is so hard to look beyond ourselves to find our spot and to

beyond ourselves to find our spot and to

beyond ourselves to find our spot and to be able to listen but it is so important

be able to listen but it is so important

be able to listen but it is so important to make that situation as comfortable as

to make that situation as comfortable as

to make that situation as comfortable as possible

possible

possible the second piece talk just talk just let

the second piece talk just talk just let

the second piece talk just talk just let it out fight that fear and move forward

it out fight that fear and move forward

it out fight that fear and move forward whether you’re doing it anonymously

whether you’re doing it anonymously

whether you’re doing it anonymously through an online message board or

through an online message board or

through an online message board or you’re doing it in person through a

you’re doing it in person through a

you’re doing it in person through a support group it is so important to talk

support group it is so important to talk

support group it is so important to talk it makes you feel so much better now

it makes you feel so much better now

it makes you feel so much better now not every infertility story has a happy

not every infertility story has a happy

not every infertility story has a happy ending not every family has their baby

ending not every family has their baby

ending not every family has their baby fortunately my story does in October

fortunately my story does in October

fortunately my story does in October 2014 we are scheduled for IVF in

2014 we are scheduled for IVF in

2014 we are scheduled for IVF in Victoria BC all told we were going to be

Victoria BC all told we were going to be

Victoria BC all told we were going to be out of town for a month we packed up our

out of town for a month we packed up our

out of town for a month we packed up our house our car and our dog and we

house our car and our dog and we

house our car and our dog and we traveled halfway across the country for

traveled halfway across the country for

traveled halfway across the country for the shot of a lifetime I was ready I had

the shot of a lifetime I was ready I had

the shot of a lifetime I was ready I had talked about my fears I talked about my

talked about my fears I talked about my

talked about my fears I talked about my shortcomings and I was ready to take

shortcomings and I was ready to take

shortcomings and I was ready to take that next step

that next step

that next step driving through the Rocky Mountains was

driving through the Rocky Mountains was

driving through the Rocky Mountains was easy because I had already been down the

easy because I had already been down the

easy because I had already been down the most hellacious road of my life and

most hellacious road of my life and

most hellacious road of my life and holding my baby daughter months later

holding my baby daughter months later

holding my baby daughter months later may this was story I had to share thank

may this was story I had to share thank

may this was story I had to share thank you very much

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