for nearly 24 years now fifty years when the genocide happened for those who
the genocide happened for those who
the genocide happened for those who survived for us it was really it was
survived for us it was really it was
survived for us it was really it was terrible it was total loss you found
terrible it was total loss you found
terrible it was total loss you found yourself suddenly for those who remember
yourself suddenly for those who remember
yourself suddenly for those who remember it was on Easter short after Easter so
it was on Easter short after Easter so
it was on Easter short after Easter so Easter where or in the church were
Easter where or in the church were
Easter where or in the church were celebrating we’re with the families and
celebrating we’re with the families and
celebrating we’re with the families and we didn’t know that this was the last
we didn’t know that this was the last
we didn’t know that this was the last time we were seeing each other
time we were seeing each other
time we were seeing each other later when the genocide was over three
later when the genocide was over three
later when the genocide was over three months only 100 days you find yourself
months only 100 days you find yourself
months only 100 days you find yourself okay still alive but are you alive are
okay still alive but are you alive are
okay still alive but are you alive are you alive when your your people
you alive when your your people
you alive when your your people everybody is dead you have no husband
everybody is dead you have no husband
everybody is dead you have no husband anymore you have no father no mother
anymore you have no father no mother
anymore you have no father no mother many of my friends have no children at
many of my friends have no children at
many of my friends have no children at all I’m really happy and I think this is
all I’m really happy and I think this is
all I’m really happy and I think this is what saved me that for me it was really
what saved me that for me it was really
what saved me that for me it was really a miracle my children survived and I’m
a miracle my children survived and I’m
a miracle my children survived and I’m happy you said that a man dies tonight
happy you said that a man dies tonight
happy you said that a man dies tonight in the room she was only six months I
in the room she was only six months I
in the room she was only six months I was always having her on my back always
was always having her on my back always
was always having her on my back always afraid that she can fall down and yeah
afraid that she can fall down and yeah
afraid that she can fall down and yeah but she survived and actually have to
but she survived and actually have to
but she survived and actually have to say it today is her birthday when I
say it today is her birthday when I
say it today is her birthday when I wonder
so you’re only to say you find yourself
so you’re only to say you find yourself you have nobody anymore and you have to
you have nobody anymore and you have to
you have nobody anymore and you have to continue to leave
continue to leave
continue to leave we were not shouting saying okay great
we were not shouting saying okay great
we were not shouting saying okay great we survived we were really thinking we
we survived we were really thinking we
we survived we were really thinking we were condemned to live and this is what
were condemned to live and this is what
were condemned to live and this is what many many of the survivors many of the
many many of the survivors many of the
many many of the survivors many of the women especially the women were saying
women especially the women were saying
women especially the women were saying like the women you saw in the film
like the women you saw in the film
like the women you saw in the film sometimes they say they didn’t kill you
sometimes they say they didn’t kill you
sometimes they say they didn’t kill you the young girl or Jenny she asked the
the young girl or Jenny she asked the
the young girl or Jenny she asked the rapist the one who raping her he asked
rapist the one who raping her he asked
rapist the one who raping her he asked them kill me and the man told her and he
them kill me and the man told her and he
them kill me and the man told her and he laughed his head I’m not killing you the
laughed his head I’m not killing you the
laughed his head I’m not killing you the deaf I’m giving you is worth and the
deaf I’m giving you is worth and the
deaf I’m giving you is worth and the younger she didn’t know anything about
younger she didn’t know anything about
younger she didn’t know anything about sex she didn’t know anything about she
sex she didn’t know anything about she
sex she didn’t know anything about she was raped you know about AIDS but the
was raped you know about AIDS but the
was raped you know about AIDS but the man knew that he was sick and he knew
man knew that he was sick and he knew
man knew that he was sick and he knew that he isn’t his infecting hash is
that he isn’t his infecting hash is
that he isn’t his infecting hash is going to die slowly and this was really
going to die slowly and this was really
going to die slowly and this was really what was going to happen if we were not
what was going to happen if we were not
what was going to happen if we were not really lucky to come together later but
really lucky to come together later but
really lucky to come together later but not only you lose your people but I
not only you lose your people but I
not only you lose your people but I think what was also terrible is that you
think what was also terrible is that you
think what was also terrible is that you lose you lose the trust in the human
lose you lose the trust in the human
lose you lose the trust in the human beings the people who killed our people
beings the people who killed our people
beings the people who killed our people they were our neighbors they were our
they were our neighbors they were our
they were our neighbors they were our teachers they were our doctors they were
teachers they were our doctors they were
teachers they were our doctors they were our priests they were our colleagues in
our priests they were our colleagues in
our priests they were our colleagues in their jobs so they were normal people
their jobs so they were normal people
their jobs so they were normal people like you and me so don’t think that the
like you and me so don’t think that the
like you and me so don’t think that the killers are special terrible people
killers are special terrible people
killers are special terrible people savages this is not true they are like
savages this is not true they are like
savages this is not true they are like you and me so when you survive and you
you and me so when you survive and you
you and me so when you survive and you know who did it and you have to continue
know who did it and you have to continue
know who did it and you have to continue to live again
to live again
to live again it is really terrible to go ahead but
it is really terrible to go ahead but
it is really terrible to go ahead but not only our neighbors who killed us but
not only our neighbors who killed us but
not only our neighbors who killed us but what about this famous international
what about this famous international
what about this famous international community what happened in Rwanda was
community what happened in Rwanda was
community what happened in Rwanda was known it was not and prepared the UN was
known it was not and prepared the UN was
known it was not and prepared the UN was there the soldiers were there they were
there the soldiers were there they were
there the soldiers were there they were prepared to do something but when it
prepared to do something but when it
prepared to do something but when it started they left so it depends in which
started they left so it depends in which
started they left so it depends in which place is happening it was happening in
place is happening it was happening in
place is happening it was happening in the wrong place we were not interesting
the wrong place we were not interesting
the wrong place we were not interesting I like to say if what happened to the
I like to say if what happened to the
I like to say if what happened to the Tutsi in one day 94 can happend to the
Tutsi in one day 94 can happend to the
Tutsi in one day 94 can happend to the guerillas because we have the best
guerillas because we have the best
guerillas because we have the best guerillas in the mountains I hate them
guerillas in the mountains I hate them
guerillas in the mountains I hate them no I don’t hate them now that I think no
no I don’t hate them now that I think no
no I don’t hate them now that I think no I don’t hate them they are innocent they
I don’t hate them they are innocent they
I don’t hate them they are innocent they have nothing to do with that but if what
have nothing to do with that but if what
have nothing to do with that but if what happened to the two T’s in 94 had
happened to the two T’s in 94 had
happened to the two T’s in 94 had happened to the guerrillas I’m sure that
happened to the guerrillas I’m sure that
happened to the guerrillas I’m sure that the world has done it should have done
the world has done it should have done
the world has done it should have done something and for us they didn’t do
something and for us they didn’t do
something and for us they didn’t do anything
anything
anything I remember I was baking the the French
I remember I was baking the the French
I remember I was baking the the French and the the Belgian when they came to
and the the Belgian when they came to
and the the Belgian when they came to evacuate all the foreigners people who
evacuate all the foreigners people who
evacuate all the foreigners people who have a country who who does we’re a
have a country who who does we’re a
have a country who who does we’re a human being doesn’t mean it was
human being doesn’t mean it was
human being doesn’t mean it was something when they come to evacuate
something when they come to evacuate
something when they come to evacuate them I bet them to take my children
them I bet them to take my children
them I bet them to take my children because my friend in Belgium was ready
because my friend in Belgium was ready
because my friend in Belgium was ready to take them they refused they didn’t
to take them they refused they didn’t
to take them they refused they didn’t take them and they took they cut and
take them and they took they cut and
take them and they took they cut and they dogs I’m going to say that I hate
they dogs I’m going to say that I hate
they dogs I’m going to say that I hate cats and dogs I’m not really very
cats and dogs I’m not really very
cats and dogs I’m not really very friendly with but it is not my fault I
friendly with but it is not my fault I
friendly with but it is not my fault I was in a place where they were more
was in a place where they were more
was in a place where they were more valuable than human beings then you can
valuable than human beings then you can
valuable than human beings then you can understand that I’m not so so to speak
understand that I’m not so so to speak
understand that I’m not so so to speak so when they refused to take my children
so when they refused to take my children
so when they refused to take my children but they took the cats and the dogs
but they took the cats and the dogs
but they took the cats and the dogs because they were French because they
because they were French because they
because they were French because they were Belgium so I lost we lost also this
were Belgium so I lost we lost also this
were Belgium so I lost we lost also this trust in the humanity there’s a word
trust in the humanity there’s a word
trust in the humanity there’s a word humanity it didn’t mean anything
humanity it didn’t mean anything
humanity it didn’t mean anything didn’t didn’t work in that time so just
didn’t didn’t work in that time so just
didn’t didn’t work in that time so just to let you know that the loss was so
to let you know that the loss was so
to let you know that the loss was so total everything was destroyed of course
total everything was destroyed of course
total everything was destroyed of course the houses were destroyed everything was
the houses were destroyed everything was
the houses were destroyed everything was looted we didn’t have anything at all
looted we didn’t have anything at all
looted we didn’t have anything at all but I think what was really terrible is
but I think what was really terrible is
but I think what was really terrible is to see a society which is also lost all
to see a society which is also lost all
to see a society which is also lost all the values were also lost I remember
the values were also lost I remember
the values were also lost I remember something which really struck me after
something which really struck me after
something which really struck me after the genocide the very banal usual
the genocide the very banal usual
the genocide the very banal usual greetings how we get in our country when
greetings how we get in our country when
greetings how we get in our country when you meet somebody it is the custom is
you meet somebody it is the custom is
you meet somebody it is the custom is that the old one has to embrace the
that the old one has to embrace the
that the old one has to embrace the young one and you have to make a wish
young one and you have to make a wish
young one and you have to make a wish and these wishes which which are really
and these wishes which which are really
and these wishes which which are really nice for young girls for people to be
nice for young girls for people to be
nice for young girls for people to be engaged to be married
engaged to be married
engaged to be married we wish husband Daruma God
we wish husband Daruma God
we wish husband Daruma God this time before you say to somebody
this time before you say to somebody
this time before you say to somebody even Mogambo you just wonder she’s
even Mogambo you just wonder she’s
even Mogambo you just wonder she’s widowed so I’m not going to wish her a
widowed so I’m not going to wish her a
widowed so I’m not going to wish her a husband if you see children you wish
husband if you see children you wish
husband if you see children you wish them parents garrison and Yoko I wish
them parents garrison and Yoko I wish
them parents garrison and Yoko I wish you father and mother many of the
you father and mother many of the
you father and mother many of the children they were orphaned you can’t
children they were orphaned you can’t
children they were orphaned you can’t wish them father and mother or you have
wish them father and mother or you have
wish them father and mother or you have to think twice does he does few does he
to think twice does he does few does he
to think twice does he does few does he have a parent this you can’t say or to
have a parent this you can’t say or to
have a parent this you can’t say or to the children we wish father and mother
the children we wish father and mother
the children we wish father and mother garrison and Yoko I wish you parents but
garrison and Yoko I wish you parents but
garrison and Yoko I wish you parents but they don’t have parents so I don’t wish
they don’t have parents so I don’t wish
they don’t have parents so I don’t wish that I wish you children dear a banana
that I wish you children dear a banana
that I wish you children dear a banana but many have laughter children or what
but many have laughter children or what
but many have laughter children or what we wish also which is very one and we
we wish also which is very one and we
we wish also which is very one and we wish cows because cows are very
wish cows because cows are very
wish cows because cows are very important
important
important a musher I wish you a lot of cows but
a musher I wish you a lot of cows but
a musher I wish you a lot of cows but our accounts have in also killed and
our accounts have in also killed and
our accounts have in also killed and eaten so I can’t wish you comes you
eaten so I can’t wish you comes you
eaten so I can’t wish you comes you don’t have any more cards if you come to
don’t have any more cards if you come to
don’t have any more cards if you come to the Christianity and everything we we
the Christianity and everything we we
the Christianity and everything we we are saying yes aku’s way Jesus be
are saying yes aku’s way Jesus be
are saying yes aku’s way Jesus be glorified but for the in that time many
glorified but for the in that time many
glorified but for the in that time many people have been killed in two churches
people have been killed in two churches
people have been killed in two churches so the church and Jesus and we used to
so the church and Jesus and we used to
so the church and Jesus and we used to say Jesus himself he went he left us so
say Jesus himself he went he left us so
say Jesus himself he went he left us so I can’t even tell you that so just think
I can’t even tell you that so just think
I can’t even tell you that so just think that you are in presence of a society
that you are in presence of a society
that you are in presence of a society where even the very basic greetings very
where even the very basic greetings very
where even the very basic greetings very banner greetings and not sponsor you
banner greetings and not sponsor you
banner greetings and not sponsor you can’t say espalier like that without
can’t say espalier like that without
can’t say espalier like that without thinking without thinking me twice but
thinking without thinking me twice but
thinking without thinking me twice but fortunately the rebel army won the war
fortunately the rebel army won the war
fortunately the rebel army won the war it was topped in July then we could say
it was topped in July then we could say
it was topped in July then we could say peace security slowly slowly come back
peace security slowly slowly come back
peace security slowly slowly come back and slowly slowly even though we were
and slowly slowly even though we were
and slowly slowly even though we were thinking we are condemned to live when
thinking we are condemned to live when
thinking we are condemned to live when you are alone you are lost but when you
you are alone you are lost but when you
you are alone you are lost but when you are together you can do something this
are together you can do something this
are together you can do something this is how like having said like the three
is how like having said like the three
is how like having said like the three women the three friends at the beginning
women the three friends at the beginning
women the three friends at the beginning then five then six then ten we start
then five then six then ten we start
then five then six then ten we start coming together we didn’t know at the
coming together we didn’t know at the
coming together we didn’t know at the time that we are traumatized we thought
time that we are traumatized we thought
time that we are traumatized we thought that we are crazy something was wrong
that we are crazy something was wrong
that we are crazy something was wrong there was well known
there was well known
there was well known the woman who used to be we were we were
the woman who used to be we were we were
the woman who used to be we were we were forgetting everything no concentration
forgetting everything no concentration
forgetting everything no concentration all the symptoms of trauma you were
all the symptoms of trauma you were
all the symptoms of trauma you were cooking if you are lucky to have some
cooking if you are lucky to have some
cooking if you are lucky to have some food you cook and you put salt three
food you cook and you put salt three
food you cook and you put salt three times without knowing you go outside you
times without knowing you go outside you
times without knowing you go outside you you used to dress properly you are very
you used to dress properly you are very
you used to dress properly you are very nice and you when you dress you go
nice and you when you dress you go
nice and you when you dress you go outside and find out that you have put
outside and find out that you have put
outside and find out that you have put it upside down and you have and you are
it upside down and you have and you are
it upside down and you have and you are ashamed and you hide it and you become
ashamed and you hide it and you become
ashamed and you hide it and you become to be very aggressive and things like
to be very aggressive and things like
to be very aggressive and things like that so but because we come together and
that so but because we come together and
that so but because we come together and we start talking and when one is talking
we start talking and when one is talking
we start talking and when one is talking you see what you have been saying
you see what you have been saying
you see what you have been saying anything okay I’m not the only one crazy
anything okay I’m not the only one crazy
anything okay I’m not the only one crazy so we’re so many crazy and we come
so we’re so many crazy and we come
so we’re so many crazy and we come together and fortunately we come to know
together and fortunately we come to know
together and fortunately we come to know that we are not so crazy that what
that we are not so crazy that what
that we are not so crazy that what happened to us was crazy so well okay
happened to us was crazy so well okay
happened to us was crazy so well okay let us not only be condemned to live but
let us not only be condemned to live but
let us not only be condemned to live but actually let us choose to live and then
actually let us choose to live and then
actually let us choose to live and then slowly slowly we discovered this
slowly slowly we discovered this
slowly slowly we discovered this strength of being together
strength of being together
strength of being together but not only being together as as as the
but not only being together as as as the
but not only being together as as as the same women but we also really
same women but we also really
same women but we also really experienced the good feeling of seeing
experienced the good feeling of seeing
experienced the good feeling of seeing people who are in solidarity with
people who are in solidarity with
people who are in solidarity with yourself this is how we came to meet a
yourself this is how we came to meet a
yourself this is how we came to meet a Kevin comic relief we came to meet staff
Kevin comic relief we came to meet staff
Kevin comic relief we came to meet staff survivor
survivor
survivor charity here in London survivor fund we
charity here in London survivor fund we
charity here in London survivor fund we came to meet people who were really
came to meet people who were really
came to meet people who were really interested in us and we were looking at
interested in us and we were looking at
interested in us and we were looking at us as human beings when we have been
us as human beings when we have been
us as human beings when we have been really less than human beings in the
really less than human beings in the
really less than human beings in the past so slowly slowly we started really
past so slowly slowly we started really
past so slowly slowly we started really to challenge and we started to do I
to challenge and we started to do I
to challenge and we started to do I remember we are doing everything and the
remember we are doing everything and the
remember we are doing everything and the people giving money they don’t like
people giving money they don’t like
people giving money they don’t like people who are doing everything they
people who are doing everything they
people who are doing everything they want you to do something so when one
want you to do something so when one
want you to do something so when one Chaput so when we started with comic
Chaput so when we started with comic
Chaput so when we started with comic relief they were very happy because we
relief they were very happy because we
relief they were very happy because we are very strong with income generating
are very strong with income generating
are very strong with income generating project it was working it was working
project it was working it was working
project it was working it was working and then one day they come wanting to
and then one day they come wanting to
and then one day they come wanting to film again a very successful story and I
film again a very successful story and I
film again a very successful story and I was really mad because I remember
was really mad because I remember
was really mad because I remember everything he was dying women
everything he was dying women
everything he was dying women because after few years we started to
because after few years we started to
because after few years we started to realize that the majority of us the
realize that the majority of us the
realize that the majority of us the majority of the survivors have been
majority of the survivors have been
majority of the survivors have been raped have been affected with it and
raped have been affected with it and
raped have been affected with it and they are dying so this is when we
they are dying so this is when we
they are dying so this is when we challenged comic relief and serve we
challenged comic relief and serve we
challenged comic relief and serve we said if you want to film a success story
said if you want to film a success story
said if you want to film a success story and not and not grace then you have to
and not and not grace then you have to
and not and not grace then you have to invest now in this program of
invest now in this program of
invest now in this program of antiretroviral it was not easy but we
antiretroviral it was not easy but we
antiretroviral it was not easy but we are really lucky they agreed they they
are really lucky they agreed they they
are really lucky they agreed they they took what had the needs of the people
took what had the needs of the people
took what had the needs of the people and not their own agenda so they have an
and not their own agenda so they have an
and not their own agenda so they have an agenda we said sorry your agenda is good
agenda we said sorry your agenda is good
agenda we said sorry your agenda is good but there is more money there’s a
but there is more money there’s a
but there is more money there’s a chamber okay we did both so we continued
chamber okay we did both so we continued
chamber okay we did both so we continued doing
click continue during income-generating
click continue during income-generating project and tis true we needed income
project and tis true we needed income
project and tis true we needed income generating project we needed housing we
generating project we needed housing we
generating project we needed housing we needed all the project in health in this
needed all the project in health in this
needed all the project in health in this but we needed real is very very urgently
but we needed real is very very urgently
but we needed real is very very urgently this at retroviral and as you have seen
this at retroviral and as you have seen
this at retroviral and as you have seen in the film really the women it is a
in the film really the women it is a
in the film really the women it is a rebirth it is a new life because we have
rebirth it is a new life because we have
rebirth it is a new life because we have find solidarity with other people who
find solidarity with other people who
find solidarity with other people who believed in us and I want to too to make
believed in us and I want to too to make
believed in us and I want to too to make a conclusion and I think really this is
a conclusion and I think really this is
a conclusion and I think really this is what I like to share and this is what we
what I like to share and this is what we
what I like to share and this is what we have as as a gift for you people who
have as as a gift for you people who
have as as a gift for you people who have been with us all along because I
have been with us all along because I
have been with us all along because I think it worked for us but it can work
think it worked for us but it can work
think it worked for us but it can work for you too so I’m coming back to the
for you too so I’m coming back to the
for you too so I’m coming back to the house again
house again
house again so when you when the cows in the morning
so when you when the cows in the morning
so when you when the cows in the morning when they go out of the out of the fence
when they go out of the out of the fence
when they go out of the out of the fence out of the horse they go – outside – how
out of the horse they go – outside – how
out of the horse they go – outside – how do you say it in English – yeah sorry
do you say it in English – yeah sorry
do you say it in English – yeah sorry yeah when they go to grazing then you
yeah when they go to grazing then you
yeah when they go to grazing then you take them out and we have to clean the
take them out and we have to clean the
take them out and we have to clean the place so we take the manual and there is
place so we take the manual and there is
place so we take the manual and there is a place behind the fence where we put
a place behind the fence where we put
a place behind the fence where we put the manure but I think that it is the
the manure but I think that it is the
the manure but I think that it is the same with the farmers here this place
same with the farmers here this place
same with the farmers here this place where you put the manual manure ant is
where you put the manual manure ant is
where you put the manual manure ant is really it is really smelling it is not
really it is really smelling it is not
really it is really smelling it is not the best place you will go to have a
the best place you will go to have a
the best place you will go to have a chat with somebody
but what is the the true reality of this
but what is the the true reality of this corner where you put all this manua at
corner where you put all this manua at
corner where you put all this manua at least in our place and I think it’s we
least in our place and I think it’s we
least in our place and I think it’s we work also here why not
work also here why not
work also here why not so the place where it is smelling so bad
so the place where it is smelling so bad
so the place where it is smelling so bad the place where this manure is the place
the place where this manure is the place
the place where this manure is the place where people are not going to come to
where people are not going to come to
where people are not going to come to chant but this is the best place where
chant but this is the best place where
chant but this is the best place where you plant your banana tree or your
you plant your banana tree or your
you plant your banana tree or your pumpkin and you you you will really
pumpkin and you you you will really
pumpkin and you you you will really harvest the best of it
harvest the best of it
harvest the best of it so we said women if we want to continue
so we said women if we want to continue
so we said women if we want to continue to go ahead let us use our smelling
to go ahead let us use our smelling
to go ahead let us use our smelling story let us use our I was suffering so
story let us use our I was suffering so
story let us use our I was suffering so the other message I just wanted to say
the other message I just wanted to say
the other message I just wanted to say to make I don’t wish anybody to suffer
to make I don’t wish anybody to suffer
to make I don’t wish anybody to suffer in order to grow but when you suffer and
in order to grow but when you suffer and
in order to grow but when you suffer and use your suffering you can really
use your suffering you can really
use your suffering you can really produce the best banana and the best
produce the best banana and the best
produce the best banana and the best pumpkin and the witch
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