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(Strengthen) Focus on learning not grades | Peter Brøndum | TEDxCopenhagen


a couple of years ago while I was doing

a couple of years ago while I was doing an exercise with some of my students

an exercise with some of my students

an exercise with some of my students there was an identity and social role

there was an identity and social role

there was an identity and social role social roles and one of the students

social roles and one of the students

social roles and one of the students there asked me Peter do you actually

there asked me Peter do you actually

there asked me Peter do you actually know how important grades are to me to

know how important grades are to me to

know how important grades are to me to us she said and she continued I think

us she said and she continued I think

us she said and she continued I think about grades all the time I think about

about grades all the time I think about

about grades all the time I think about grades when I’m at home doing my

grades when I’m at home doing my

grades when I’m at home doing my homework while I’m writing my

homework while I’m writing my

homework while I’m writing my assignments while I go to school while

assignments while I go to school while

assignments while I go to school while I’m in class great in the back of my

I’m in class great in the back of my

I’m in class great in the back of my mind all time one of the other students

mind all time one of the other students

mind all time one of the other students was in that group said I totally agree

was in that group said I totally agree

was in that group said I totally agree with that and in some way I think the

with that and in some way I think the

with that and in some way I think the student said I think that grades there

student said I think that grades there

student said I think that grades there sometimes there’s somehow determined how

sometimes there’s somehow determined how

sometimes there’s somehow determined how I behave in school what I do what I say

I behave in school what I do what I say

I behave in school what I do what I say what I don’t say what I write what I

what I don’t say what I write what I

what I don’t say what I write what I don’t write 24/7 my behavior is

don’t write 24/7 my behavior is

don’t write 24/7 my behavior is determined by grades of course I know

determined by grades of course I know

determined by grades of course I know that great importance to students after

that great importance to students after

that great importance to students after all they have to use them afterwards but

all they have to use them afterwards but

all they have to use them afterwards but it was quite shocking for me that grades

it was quite shocking for me that grades

it was quite shocking for me that grades had become such a dominant it was so

had become such a dominant it was so

had become such a dominant it was so influential on the students behavior and

influential on the students behavior and

influential on the students behavior and I was also sad because I’d always

I was also sad because I’d always

I was also sad because I’d always thought of myself as the teacher who was

thought of myself as the teacher who was

thought of myself as the teacher who was able to present a learning room in where

able to present a learning room in where

able to present a learning room in where there were a lot of fun a lot of create

there were a lot of fun a lot of create

there were a lot of fun a lot of create creativeness a lot of place for

creativeness a lot of place for

creativeness a lot of place for experimentals

experimentals

experimentals but I had to realize I had to recognize

but I had to realize I had to recognize

but I had to realize I had to recognize that this was certainly not the case

that this was certainly not the case

that this was certainly not the case because the student they told me that I

because the student they told me that I

because the student they told me that I also was very keen on their performances

also was very keen on their performances

also was very keen on their performances and giving them great and I in somehow

and giving them great and I in somehow

and giving them great and I in somehow were more focused on the higher grades

were more focused on the higher grades

were more focused on the higher grades learned a little great now I’m here

learned a little great now I’m here

learned a little great now I’m here today to share with you my idea that

today to share with you my idea that

today to share with you my idea that we need to focus on learning and not

we need to focus on learning and not

we need to focus on learning and not great

great

great where’s grades of these you could say

measurement says the way we measure

measurement says the way we measure students in in certain criterias in a

students in in certain criterias in a

students in in certain criterias in a specific curriculum now learning is

specific curriculum now learning is

specific curriculum now learning is something different because learning and

something different because learning and

something different because learning and learning processes is a rule where the

learning processes is a rule where the

learning processes is a rule where the student is allowed to be creative it’s

student is allowed to be creative it’s

student is allowed to be creative it’s allowed to be experimental it’s allowed

allowed to be experimental it’s allowed

allowed to be experimental it’s allowed to make mistakes to even fail but along

to make mistakes to even fail but along

to make mistakes to even fail but along the way they will and somehow be able to

the way they will and somehow be able to

the way they will and somehow be able to manage the challenges now I’m not

manage the challenges now I’m not

manage the challenges now I’m not opposed to great as such but I am really

opposed to great as such but I am really

opposed to great as such but I am really opposed to the way that we have allowed

opposed to the way that we have allowed

opposed to the way that we have allowed grades to penetrate and colonize the way

grades to penetrate and colonize the way

grades to penetrate and colonize the way we educate people and in the way the

we educate people and in the way the

we educate people and in the way the students are impacted by it and in my

students are impacted by it and in my

students are impacted by it and in my talk today I will focus on three things

talk today I will focus on three things

talk today I will focus on three things I will focus on why we see this

I will focus on why we see this

I will focus on why we see this phenomenon of the great impact of great

phenomenon of the great impact of great

phenomenon of the great impact of great and young students life and I will also

and young students life and I will also

and young students life and I will also look into some of the consequences and

look into some of the consequences and

look into some of the consequences and finally I will give you just a short

finally I will give you just a short

finally I will give you just a short presentation of some of the results that

presentation of some of the results that

presentation of some of the results that we have had with this project free of

we have had with this project free of

we have had with this project free of grades Instagram parenting and you’ve

grades Instagram parenting and you’ve

grades Instagram parenting and you’ve probably seen that a lot back in June

probably seen that a lot back in June

probably seen that a lot back in June because Instagram parenting that is

because Instagram parenting that is

because Instagram parenting that is parents standing with their children and

parents standing with their children and

parents standing with their children and praising them for their great academic

praising them for their great academic

praising them for their great academic achievements and they post a picture and

achievements and they post a picture and

achievements and they post a picture and they’re writing something like once

they’re writing something like once

they’re writing something like once again Cal nailed it at the green table

again Cal nailed it at the green table

again Cal nailed it at the green table 12

12

12 of course we doesn’t often hear Peter

of course we doesn’t often hear Peter

of course we doesn’t often hear Peter did a fine job he just made it through

did a fine job he just made it through

did a fine job he just made it through high school I’m so proud of him what a

high school I’m so proud of him what a

high school I’m so proud of him what a man he has become we don’t hear that but

man he has become we don’t hear that but

man he has become we don’t hear that but we hear a call and his grade of 12 now

we hear a call and his grade of 12 now

we hear a call and his grade of 12 now there’s nothing wrong being a proud

there’s nothing wrong being a proud

there’s nothing wrong being a proud parent we should all be proud parents

parent we should all be proud parents

parent we should all be proud parents but we just need to understand that this

but we just need to understand that this

but we just need to understand that this pressure that the social surroundings

pressure that the social surroundings

pressure that the social surroundings create for the young student and the

create for the young student and the

create for the young student and the pressure that the young student creates

pressure that the young student creates

pressure that the young student creates for him or herself means that identity

for him or herself means that identity

for him or herself means that identity see from high school students

see from high school students

see from high school students perspective is often I understand myself

perspective is often I understand myself

perspective is often I understand myself because I am my grades going to my

because I am my grades going to my

because I am my grades going to my everyday life one of my student once

everyday life one of my student once

everyday life one of my student once told me that she was doing she was

told me that she was doing she was

told me that she was doing she was training because she had to do very good

training because she had to do very good

training because she had to do very good in athletics now my student was anxious

in athletics now my student was anxious

in athletics now my student was anxious because she knew that she had to do very

because she knew that she had to do very

because she knew that she had to do very well in three different disciplines

well in three different disciplines

well in three different disciplines running long jump high jump and she was

running long jump high jump and she was

running long jump high jump and she was very good in both running and long term

very good in both running and long term

very good in both running and long term so that was not the problem but the

so that was not the problem but the

so that was not the problem but the problem of course was the third one

problem of course was the third one

problem of course was the third one hi John she was not good in that she

hi John she was not good in that she

hi John she was not good in that she really just she was really bad here now

really just she was really bad here now

really just she was really bad here now she told me that she sat down and she

she told me that she sat down and she

she told me that she sat down and she calculated okay what to do

calculated okay what to do

calculated okay what to do got the best opportunity to have a

got the best opportunity to have a

got the best opportunity to have a higher grade and then she said then she

higher grade and then she said then she

higher grade and then she said then she somehow reason her way to that okay the

somehow reason her way to that okay the

somehow reason her way to that okay the day we run I come the day we jump long

day we run I come the day we jump long

day we run I come the day we jump long long term I will come and the day we are

long term I will come and the day we are

long term I will come and the day we are to do the high jump I will call in sick

to do the high jump I will call in sick

to do the high jump I will call in sick now I’m a responsible student and my

now I’m a responsible student and my

now I’m a responsible student and my teachers they will probably think of me

teachers they will probably think of me

teachers they will probably think of me as one who actually was ill I cannot be

as one who actually was ill I cannot be

as one who actually was ill I cannot be certain of that but I would do that so

certain of that but I would do that so

certain of that but I would do that so my behavior will be termined for that

my behavior will be termined for that

my behavior will be termined for that because I need that great for later in

because I need that great for later in

because I need that great for later in my life now you can probably imagine

my life now you can probably imagine

my life now you can probably imagine that this create a lot of stress a lot

that this create a lot of stress a lot

that this create a lot of stress a lot of pressure because I could tell you

of pressure because I could tell you

of pressure because I could tell you hundreds of these doors and now stress

hundreds of these doors and now stress

hundreds of these doors and now stress is something that we don’t like in

is something that we don’t like in

is something that we don’t like in education and especially not in a

education and especially not in a

education and especially not in a learning room because stress reduces the

learning room because stress reduces the

learning room because stress reduces the ability to learn quite dramatically

ability to learn quite dramatically

ability to learn quite dramatically looking out on studies on a national

looking out on studies on a national

looking out on studies on a national basis we know that around fifty percent

basis we know that around fifty percent

basis we know that around fifty percent of all high school students I stressed

of all high school students I stressed

of all high school students I stressed up as the top twenty percent of the most

up as the top twenty percent of the most

up as the top twenty percent of the most stress in the Danish workforce now to

stress in the Danish workforce now to

stress in the Danish workforce now to bring in bring that in here in this room

bring in bring that in here in this room

bring in bring that in here in this room we could say that on the two sides over

we could say that on the two sides over

we could say that on the two sides over here all of you sitting over there you

here all of you sitting over there you

here all of you sitting over there you will probably find yourself in a

will probably find yourself in a

will probably find yourself in a situation where your darkness would be

situation where your darkness would be

situation where your darkness would be pretty worried because you would be at

pretty worried because you would be at

pretty worried because you would be at risk of developing psychiatric disorders

risk of developing psychiatric disorders

risk of developing psychiatric disorders such as severe depressions eating

such as severe depressions eating

such as severe depressions eating disorders or even as

disorders or even as

disorders or even as xiety so so this is of course a huge

xiety so so this is of course a huge

xiety so so this is of course a huge problem for us so we need to change that

problem for us so we need to change that

problem for us so we need to change that and what I suggest and what we have

and what I suggest and what we have

and what I suggest and what we have tried to do is in some way to establish

tried to do is in some way to establish

tried to do is in some way to establish a different learning culture and to

a different learning culture and to

a different learning culture and to address that we need to focus on

address that we need to focus on

address that we need to focus on learning and reduce the amount of grades

learning and reduce the amount of grades

learning and reduce the amount of grades and one thing we have tried to work on

and one thing we have tried to work on

and one thing we have tried to work on is this what we call an ideal speed

is this what we call an ideal speed

is this what we call an ideal speed situation it sounds very interesting but

situation it sounds very interesting but

situation it sounds very interesting but it’s a it’s it’s not complex it’s very

it’s a it’s it’s not complex it’s very

it’s a it’s it’s not complex it’s very simple it’s just you and a teacher

simple it’s just you and a teacher

simple it’s just you and a teacher sitting down and try to talk on how to

sitting down and try to talk on how to

sitting down and try to talk on how to learn a subject how to learn a course

learn a subject how to learn a course

learn a subject how to learn a course and try to establish a trusting relation

and try to establish a trusting relation

and try to establish a trusting relation and the teacher so that this student

and the teacher so that this student

and the teacher so that this student will actually tell the teacher how they

will actually tell the teacher how they

will actually tell the teacher how they think they progress in a course in a

think they progress in a course in a

think they progress in a course in a subject what questions they very much

subject what questions they very much

subject what questions they very much would like to ask but are too afraid of

would like to ask but are too afraid of

would like to ask but are too afraid of asking in other places a place our

asking in other places a place our

asking in other places a place our situation where you can be creative

situation where you can be creative

situation where you can be creative where there’s room for doing mistakes

where there’s room for doing mistakes

where there’s room for doing mistakes where there’s room for trying something

where there’s room for trying something

where there’s room for trying something into the unknown which is seldom in our

into the unknown which is seldom in our

into the unknown which is seldom in our educational system a different thing we

educational system a different thing we

educational system a different thing we try to establish was this free and open

try to establish was this free and open

try to establish was this free and open mind and learning culture among the

mind and learning culture among the

mind and learning culture among the students if you in this room just try to

students if you in this room just try to

students if you in this room just try to imagine or remember how it was like to

imagine or remember how it was like to

imagine or remember how it was like to sit in a classroom many years ago afraid

sit in a classroom many years ago afraid

sit in a classroom many years ago afraid of saying something because you just you

of saying something because you just you

of saying something because you just you just knew that everyone around you they

just knew that everyone around you they

just knew that everyone around you they were on the edge of the chair to either

were on the edge of the chair to either

were on the edge of the chair to either laugh of you if you said something wrong

laugh of you if you said something wrong

laugh of you if you said something wrong or to eat you alive if you made a

or to eat you alive if you made a

or to eat you alive if you made a mistake now even though this is often

mistake now even though this is often

mistake now even though this is often not the case it is a tremendous social

not the case it is a tremendous social

not the case it is a tremendous social Dominator in the class in the classroom

Dominator in the class in the classroom

Dominator in the class in the classroom so we have to change that and the way we

so we have to change that and the way we

so we have to change that and the way we try to change that was by teaching the

try to change that was by teaching the

try to change that was by teaching the teachers actually to praise to recognize

teachers actually to praise to recognize

teachers actually to praise to recognize but also to acknowledge all the academic

but also to acknowledge all the academic

but also to acknowledge all the academic commitments and all the work and

commitments and all the work and

commitments and all the work and discipline the student

discipline the student

discipline the student put in to their school work but also to

put in to their school work but also to

put in to their school work but also to when they were discussing in class when

when they were discussing in class when

when they were discussing in class when they were saying something where they

they were saying something where they

they were saying something where they were uncertain when they were doing

were uncertain when they were doing

were uncertain when they were doing mistakes whether they were trying to be

mistakes whether they were trying to be

mistakes whether they were trying to be experimental even though we was quite

experimental even though we was quite

experimental even though we was quite wrong so by opening up the learning room

wrong so by opening up the learning room

wrong so by opening up the learning room we actually tried to create a more free

we actually tried to create a more free

we actually tried to create a more free and a more safe haven for these students

are we looking in if we look to some of

are we looking in if we look to some of the results from our project and I think

the results from our project and I think

the results from our project and I think we answer something here we saw that the

we answer something here we saw that the

we answer something here we saw that the students in this class had the highest

students in this class had the highest

students in this class had the highest well-being and was the most motivated

well-being and was the most motivated

well-being and was the most motivated among their fellow students and their

among their fellow students and their

among their fellow students and their group there was also a very low stress

group there was also a very low stress

group there was also a very low stress level among these students interesting

level among these students interesting

level among these students interesting was also that there was a low absence

was also that there was a low absence

was also that there was a low absence these students they actually came into

these students they actually came into

these students they actually came into school they liked coming into school and

school they liked coming into school and

school they liked coming into school and that is of course good because when you

that is of course good because when you

that is of course good because when you have your students in your classroom you

have your students in your classroom you

have your students in your classroom you can probably learn them something and

can probably learn them something and

can probably learn them something and last but not least the students in this

last but not least the students in this

last but not least the students in this group they did absolute best at the test

group they did absolute best at the test

group they did absolute best at the test and at the exams in the end of the

and at the exams in the end of the

and at the exams in the end of the school year now this is my conviction

school year now this is my conviction

school year now this is my conviction that we need to strengthen our focus on

that we need to strengthen our focus on

that we need to strengthen our focus on learning in our educational institutions

learning in our educational institutions

learning in our educational institutions system and we need to reduce the amount

system and we need to reduce the amount

system and we need to reduce the amount and the impact of grades on young

and the impact of grades on young

and the impact of grades on young students life because it actually have a

students life because it actually have a

students life because it actually have a too great influence on their behavior

too great influence on their behavior

too great influence on their behavior and I think that we need to do it

and I think that we need to do it

and I think that we need to do it because it will help the young student

because it will help the young student

because it will help the young student to progress to both academically but

to progress to both academically but

to progress to both academically but also personal to develop to be more

also personal to develop to be more

also personal to develop to be more certain of themselves even in places

certain of themselves even in places

certain of themselves even in places where they are uncertain but I also

where they are uncertain but I also

where they are uncertain but I also think that from a society point of view

think that from a society point of view

think that from a society point of view we will benefit far more if we in our

we will benefit far more if we in our

we will benefit far more if we in our educational system actually educate

educational system actually educate

educational system actually educate young people with self-esteem with a

young people with self-esteem with a

young people with self-esteem with a belief in themselves

belief in themselves

belief in themselves with an ability to embrace uncertainty

with an ability to embrace uncertainty

with an ability to embrace uncertainty when they meet because uncertainty is a

when they meet because uncertainty is a

when they meet because uncertainty is a natural condition of life and they

natural condition of life and they

natural condition of life and they actually need to embrace this

actually need to embrace this

actually need to embrace this uncertainty because we do not need

uncertainty because we do not need

uncertainty because we do not need people only to reproduce what we already

people only to reproduce what we already

people only to reproduce what we already know we need them to go out there and

know we need them to go out there and

know we need them to go out there and meet the challenges where there is no

meet the challenges where there is no

meet the challenges where there is no certain there is no definition there’s

certain there is no definition there’s

certain there is no definition there’s no endpoint now one of my students the

no endpoint now one of my students the

no endpoint now one of my students the students that just mentioned early on

students that just mentioned early on

students that just mentioned early on she told me she was part of the project

she told me she was part of the project

she told me she was part of the project here and she told me just before the

here and she told me just before the

here and she told me just before the summer holidays that she was she just

summer holidays that she was she just

summer holidays that she was she just did an interview with that journalist

did an interview with that journalist

did an interview with that journalist and the journalist wanted to hear what

and the journalist wanted to hear what

and the journalist wanted to hear what the student had experienced throughout

the student had experienced throughout

the student had experienced throughout the project and while the student was

the project and while the student was

the project and while the student was answering the questions from that the

answering the questions from that the

answering the questions from that the journalists put forward the student

journalists put forward the student

journalists put forward the student realized that something had really

realized that something had really

realized that something had really changed for her early on she was only

changed for her early on she was only

changed for her early on she was only focused on performance on grades and now

focused on performance on grades and now

focused on performance on grades and now she could hear herself and understand

she could hear herself and understand

she could hear herself and understand herself that he/she had actually made a

herself that he/she had actually made a

herself that he/she had actually made a shift to watch learning and towards

shift to watch learning and towards

shift to watch learning and towards mastering coping and what she could that

mastering coping and what she could that

mastering coping and what she could that she suddenly realized that was because

she suddenly realized that was because

she suddenly realized that was because you could hear synthesis that she was

you could hear synthesis that she was

you could hear synthesis that she was saying she would just hear yourself

saying she would just hear yourself

saying she would just hear yourself saying now I feel that over the last few

saying now I feel that over the last few

saying now I feel that over the last few years I have been allowing myself to do

years I have been allowing myself to do

years I have been allowing myself to do something which I didn’t do before

something which I didn’t do before

something which I didn’t do before I now do mistakes and now allow myself

I now do mistakes and now allow myself

I now do mistakes and now allow myself to stand in front of my classmates

to stand in front of my classmates

to stand in front of my classmates maybe it’s embarrassing but I allow

maybe it’s embarrassing but I allow

maybe it’s embarrassing but I allow myself to do it I try to do it and I

myself to do it I try to do it and I

myself to do it I try to do it and I feel strengthened by it

feel strengthened by it

feel strengthened by it I actually feel I’m better able today to

I actually feel I’m better able today to

I actually feel I’m better able today to embrace things I do not know the outcome

embrace things I do not know the outcome

embrace things I do not know the outcome of now I think those reflections by the

of now I think those reflections by the

of now I think those reflections by the student extremely important for us to

student extremely important for us to

student extremely important for us to remember and they are important for me

remember and they are important for me

remember and they are important for me to share with you because I really think

to share with you because I really think

to share with you because I really think that we need to break out of this iron

that we need to break out of this iron

that we need to break out of this iron cage of rationality and allow from far

cage of rationality and allow from far

cage of rationality and allow from far more uncertainty in our educational

more uncertainty in our educational

more uncertainty in our educational thank you

thank you

thank you [Applause]

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