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Janice Evans is an african-american

Janice Evans is an african-american woman who lives in a small town in

woman who lives in a small town in

woman who lives in a small town in eastern Mississippi with her child and

eastern Mississippi with her child and

eastern Mississippi with her child and her grandson she’s about my age and I’ve

her grandson she’s about my age and I’ve

her grandson she’s about my age and I’ve gotten to know her over the last few

gotten to know her over the last few

gotten to know her over the last few years about 20 years ago she saw an ad

years about 20 years ago she saw an ad

years about 20 years ago she saw an ad in the newspaper that offered to teach

in the newspaper that offered to teach

in the newspaper that offered to teach how to deal cards at casinos and you’ll

how to deal cards at casinos and you’ll

how to deal cards at casinos and you’ll find her in the evenings dealing cards

find her in the evenings dealing cards

find her in the evenings dealing cards at a local Indian Reservation where they

at a local Indian Reservation where they

at a local Indian Reservation where they have a casino and she specializes in

have a casino and she specializes in

have a casino and she specializes in blackjack and poker but on Sundays

blackjack and poker but on Sundays

blackjack and poker but on Sundays you’ll find her at church churches a

you’ll find her at church churches a

you’ll find her at church churches a cornerstone of Janice’s life her father

cornerstone of Janice’s life her father

cornerstone of Janice’s life her father is a pastor in a small Church she tithes

is a pastor in a small Church she tithes

is a pastor in a small Church she tithes 10% over income as much as she can she

believes that being in church really

believes that being in church really matters a great deal and if she knows if

matters a great deal and if she knows if

matters a great deal and if she knows if she’s not there she’s going to hear

she’s not there she’s going to hear

she’s not there she’s going to hear about it Janice is not a gambler but her

about it Janice is not a gambler but her

about it Janice is not a gambler but her life is bound up with the Gamble’s of

life is bound up with the Gamble’s of

life is bound up with the Gamble’s of the people in the casino often she wants

the people in the casino often she wants

the people in the casino often she wants them just to stay home and save their

them just to stay home and save their

them just to stay home and save their money and be home with their families

money and be home with their families

money and be home with their families but she knows that her life is bound up

but she knows that her life is bound up

but she knows that her life is bound up with theirs when they’re doing well

with theirs when they’re doing well

with theirs when they’re doing well she’s doing well when they’re losing

she’s doing well when they’re losing

she’s doing well when they’re losing she’s losing and she sees this in her

she’s losing and she sees this in her

she’s losing and she sees this in her paycheck a lot of her paycheck is made

paycheck a lot of her paycheck is made

paycheck a lot of her paycheck is made up of tips or in the gambling world what

up of tips or in the gambling world what

up of tips or in the gambling world what they call tokes tokens of gratitude the

they call tokes tokens of gratitude the

they call tokes tokens of gratitude the gamblers are feeling a lot more

gamblers are feeling a lot more

gamblers are feeling a lot more gratitude when they’re winning and

gratitude when they’re winning and

gratitude when they’re winning and Janice sees that she also earns a lot

Janice sees that she also earns a lot

Janice sees that she also earns a lot more in the summer it’s when the casinos

more in the summer it’s when the casinos

more in the summer it’s when the casinos full people are out there having a good

full people are out there having a good

full people are out there having a good time most of them she sees a lot smaller

time most of them she sees a lot smaller

time most of them she sees a lot smaller paychecks in the winter when people are

paychecks in the winter when people are

paychecks in the winter when people are staying home and doing some other things

staying home and doing some other things

staying home and doing some other things Janice bears those risks in many ways

Janice bears those risks in many ways

Janice bears those risks in many ways even though she doesn’t gamble herself

even though she doesn’t gamble herself

even though she doesn’t gamble herself she is also taking a lot of risks

she is also taking a lot of risks

she is also taking a lot of risks Janice also earns more when University

Janice also earns more when University

Janice also earns more when University of Alabama plays Mississippi State and

of Alabama plays Mississippi State and

of Alabama plays Mississippi State and she knows that the Alabama fans are

she knows that the Alabama fans are

she knows that the Alabama fans are going to stop with a casino and gamble

going to stop with a casino and gamble

going to stop with a casino and gamble all night after the game it’s all on her

all night after the game it’s all on her

all night after the game it’s all on her shoulders

shoulders

shoulders we see this in Janice’s paychecks

we see this in Janice’s paychecks

we see this in Janice’s paychecks Janice’s paychecks go up and down

Janice’s paychecks go up and down

Janice’s paychecks go up and down through the year we tracked Janice’s

through the year we tracked Janice’s

through the year we tracked Janice’s paychecks every two weeks and you can

paychecks every two weeks and you can

paychecks every two weeks and you can see how they swing from a high of $1,200

see how they swing from a high of $1,200

see how they swing from a high of $1,200 to a low of about $900 a swing of about

to a low of about $900 a swing of about

to a low of about $900 a swing of about 30% and if what you knew about Janice

30% and if what you knew about Janice

30% and if what you knew about Janice was that she had a certain average

was that she had a certain average

was that she had a certain average income which is given by the red line

income which is given by the red line

income which is given by the red line you think she’s doing okay in her part

you think she’s doing okay in her part

you think she’s doing okay in her part of Mississippi but once you see the ups

of Mississippi but once you see the ups

of Mississippi but once you see the ups and downs of her paychecks you can see

and downs of her paychecks you can see

and downs of her paychecks you can see why Janice is stressed you can see why

why Janice is stressed you can see why

why Janice is stressed you can see why life is difficult you can see her

life is difficult you can see her

life is difficult you can see her strategies her obstacles and her

strategies her obstacles and her

strategies her obstacles and her challenges Janice was one of 253

challenges Janice was one of 253

challenges Janice was one of 253 households

households

households families that we got to know my partners

families that we got to know my partners

families that we got to know my partners and me and the team we had created

and me and the team we had created

and me and the team we had created through a project called the US

through a project called the US

through a project called the US financial Diaries we wrote a book called

financial Diaries we wrote a book called

financial Diaries we wrote a book called the financial Diaries co-written with

the financial Diaries co-written with

the financial Diaries co-written with Rachel Schneider of the Center for

Rachel Schneider of the Center for

Rachel Schneider of the Center for Financial Services innovation and what

Financial Services innovation and what

Financial Services innovation and what we saw with those families started to

we saw with those families started to

we saw with those families started to add up to a new picture of what’s going

add up to a new picture of what’s going

add up to a new picture of what’s going on in America now the families were all

on in America now the families were all

on in America now the families were all low and moderate-income all had workers

low and moderate-income all had workers

low and moderate-income all had workers they were all working to get ahead they

they were all working to get ahead they

they were all working to get ahead they were not just in Mississippi but also

were not just in Mississippi but also

were not just in Mississippi but also San Jose Cincinnati New York City it all

San Jose Cincinnati New York City it all

San Jose Cincinnati New York City it all came together to show a picture and not

came together to show a picture and not

came together to show a picture and not just a snapshot now we’ve got lots of

just a snapshot now we’ve got lots of

just a snapshot now we’ve got lots of snapshots and snapshots are revealing we

snapshots and snapshots are revealing we

snapshots and snapshots are revealing we have snapshots which are photos but we

have snapshots which are photos but we

have snapshots which are photos but we also have essentially snapshots which

also have essentially snapshots which

also have essentially snapshots which are data that just give a snapshot at

are data that just give a snapshot at

are data that just give a snapshot at one point in time like say the

one point in time like say the

one point in time like say the unemployment rate the unemployment rate

unemployment rate the unemployment rate

unemployment rate the unemployment rate today is pretty low it’s four point

today is pretty low it’s four point

today is pretty low it’s four point three percent nationally that’s pretty

three percent nationally that’s pretty

three percent nationally that’s pretty low but it only counts jobs and like

low but it only counts jobs and like

low but it only counts jobs and like Janice a lot of people have steady jobs

Janice a lot of people have steady jobs

Janice a lot of people have steady jobs but they don’t have steady income and to

but they don’t have steady income and to

but they don’t have steady income and to see that you need a different kind of

see that you need a different kind of

see that you need a different kind of picture and a different kind of data

picture and a different kind of data

picture and a different kind of data data that follows people day in day in

data that follows people day in day in

data that follows people day in day in day in and day out weekend

day in and day out weekend

day in and day out weekend week out to create something like a data

week out to create something like a data

week out to create something like a data movie that can tell a richer story about

movie that can tell a richer story about

movie that can tell a richer story about life today because when we did that we

life today because when we did that we

life today because when we did that we saw some remarkable things we saw that

saw some remarkable things we saw that

saw some remarkable things we saw that across our sample of 253 households on

across our sample of 253 households on

across our sample of 253 households on average they spent five months out of

average they spent five months out of

average they spent five months out of the year with income either 25% above or

the year with income either 25% above or

the year with income either 25% above or 25% below their monthly average we often

25% below their monthly average we often

25% below their monthly average we often assume that people have some basic

assume that people have some basic

assume that people have some basic stability but that’s not what we saw in

stability but that’s not what we saw in

stability but that’s not what we saw in our data and with that instability came

our data and with that instability came

our data and with that instability came a difficulty budgeting planning saving

a difficulty budgeting planning saving

a difficulty budgeting planning saving doing all those things that we think are

doing all those things that we think are

doing all those things that we think are fundamentals of a good financial life

fundamentals of a good financial life

fundamentals of a good financial life now those ups and downs were happening

now those ups and downs were happening

now those ups and downs were happening for a variety of reasons as with Janus

for a variety of reasons as with Janus

for a variety of reasons as with Janus some of it was from earning tips some of

some of it was from earning tips some of

some of it was from earning tips some of it was from living life earning

it was from living life earning

it was from living life earning Commission like a truck mechanic we got

Commission like a truck mechanic we got

Commission like a truck mechanic we got to know sometimes people would depend on

to know sometimes people would depend on

to know sometimes people would depend on side jobs those side jobs would come and

side jobs those side jobs would come and

side jobs those side jobs would come and go but increasingly it’s hourly workers

go but increasingly it’s hourly workers

go but increasingly it’s hourly workers whose hours go up and down out of their

whose hours go up and down out of their

whose hours go up and down out of their control and that’s happening

control and that’s happening

control and that’s happening increasingly in the retail sector and in

increasingly in the retail sector and in

increasingly in the retail sector and in the service sector which are growing

the service sector which are growing

the service sector which are growing parts of our economy those ups and downs

parts of our economy those ups and downs

parts of our economy those ups and downs play out not just in inconveniences with

play out not just in inconveniences with

play out not just in inconveniences with childcare and other planning but also in

childcare and other planning but also in

childcare and other planning but also in people’s paychecks and it wasn’t just

people’s paychecks and it wasn’t just

people’s paychecks and it wasn’t just our households our early work inspired

our households our early work inspired

our households our early work inspired the Federal Reserve to start asking

the Federal Reserve to start asking

the Federal Reserve to start asking questions about income ups and downs and

questions about income ups and downs and

questions about income ups and downs and other ups and downs in their national

other ups and downs in their national

other ups and downs in their national surveys and when they looked at

surveys and when they looked at

surveys and when they looked at thousands of households they saw

thousands of households they saw

thousands of households they saw something similar one-third of Americans

something similar one-third of Americans

something similar one-third of Americans reported that their monthly income went

reported that their monthly income went

reported that their monthly income went up and down to some degree and for many

up and down to some degree and for many

up and down to some degree and for many that was creating financial problems for

that was creating financial problems for

that was creating financial problems for 13% reported not being able to pay the

13% reported not being able to pay the

13% reported not being able to pay the bills on time simply because of those

bills on time simply because of those

bills on time simply because of those ups and downs and those challenges were

ups and downs and those challenges were

ups and downs and those challenges were more pronounced for Hispanic and black

more pronounced for Hispanic and black

more pronounced for Hispanic and black households but

households but

households but challenges met a lot of different things

challenges met a lot of different things

challenges met a lot of different things and one part of it was not being able to

and one part of it was not being able to

and one part of it was not being able to plan because the ups and downs meant it

plan because the ups and downs meant it

plan because the ups and downs meant it was difficult to stay focused and keep

was difficult to stay focused and keep

was difficult to stay focused and keep to a budget no matter how diligent one

to a budget no matter how diligent one

to a budget no matter how diligent one tried to be but it was more than that we

tried to be but it was more than that we

tried to be but it was more than that we also saw people who are not on average

also saw people who are not on average

also saw people who are not on average poor like Janice who because of the ups

poor like Janice who because of the ups

poor like Janice who because of the ups and downs experienced some months of the

and downs experienced some months of the

and downs experienced some months of the year when they were below the poverty

year when they were below the poverty

year when they were below the poverty line they put them at all odd position

line they put them at all odd position

line they put them at all odd position of feeling poor some of the time but not

of feeling poor some of the time but not

of feeling poor some of the time but not the rest of the time but more than that

the rest of the time but more than that

the rest of the time but more than that our system and our policies are not

our system and our policies are not

our system and our policies are not designed for those kinds of ups and

designed for those kinds of ups and

designed for those kinds of ups and downs and those kinds of needs at the

downs and those kinds of needs at the

downs and those kinds of needs at the same time we saw households that were

same time we saw households that were

same time we saw households that were poor but had months when they weren’t

poor but had months when they weren’t

poor but had months when they weren’t poor and they also weren’t sure how to

poor and they also weren’t sure how to

poor and they also weren’t sure how to take advantage of that or saw that the

take advantage of that or saw that the

take advantage of that or saw that the system really wasn’t working with those

system really wasn’t working with those

system really wasn’t working with those situations but Janice wasn’t passive in

situations but Janice wasn’t passive in

situations but Janice wasn’t passive in the face of all this she understood what

the face of all this she understood what

the face of all this she understood what was going on she was working to try to

was going on she was working to try to

was going on she was working to try to fix things and she had some solutions

fix things and she had some solutions

fix things and she had some solutions they weren’t perfect and she knew they

they weren’t perfect and she knew they

they weren’t perfect and she knew they weren’t perfect but one of them was that

weren’t perfect but one of them was that

weren’t perfect but one of them was that a few years back she had gotten in

a few years back she had gotten in

a few years back she had gotten in trouble with payday lenders now you know

trouble with payday lenders now you know

trouble with payday lenders now you know you can get trapped from payday lenders

you can get trapped from payday lenders

you can get trapped from payday lenders and Janice had gotten trapped what she

and Janice had gotten trapped what she

and Janice had gotten trapped what she did to try to keep that at bay was she

did to try to keep that at bay was she

did to try to keep that at bay was she realized that if she didn’t have any

realized that if she didn’t have any

realized that if she didn’t have any checks that she couldn’t go to the

checks that she couldn’t go to the

checks that she couldn’t go to the payday lender because in her part of

payday lender because in her part of

payday lender because in her part of Mississippi a payday lender requires

Mississippi a payday lender requires

Mississippi a payday lender requires that you have a post-dated check that

that you have a post-dated check that

that you have a post-dated check that you handover in order to get your loan

you handover in order to get your loan

you handover in order to get your loan so when her checks ran out she didn’t

so when her checks ran out she didn’t

so when her checks ran out she didn’t order another supply Janice said wolf I

order another supply Janice said wolf I

order another supply Janice said wolf I didn’t have the checks I’m not tempted

didn’t have the checks I’m not tempted

didn’t have the checks I’m not tempted anymore this is a constantly strategy

anymore this is a constantly strategy

anymore this is a constantly strategy now Janice when she pays her bills she

now Janice when she pays her bills she

now Janice when she pays her bills she uses money orders and if you look just

uses money orders and if you look just

uses money orders and if you look just from outside you think wow that’s

from outside you think wow that’s

from outside you think wow that’s irrational

irrational

irrational that’s just crazy that’s costly but once

that’s just crazy that’s costly but once

that’s just crazy that’s costly but once you see the ups and downs and the

you see the ups and downs and the

you see the ups and downs and the challenges and the difficulties you can

challenges and the difficulties you can

challenges and the difficulties you can start to see the logic

start to see the logic

start to see the logic another thing Janice did was she opened

another thing Janice did was she opened

another thing Janice did was she opened an account at a credit union that’s an

an account at a credit union that’s an

an account at a credit union that’s an hour south of her she did that because

hour south of her she did that because

hour south of her she did that because she figured it would stop the temptation

she figured it would stop the temptation

she figured it would stop the temptation to just withdraw money

to just withdraw money

to just withdraw money whim it’s hard enough to keep saving but

whim it’s hard enough to keep saving but

whim it’s hard enough to keep saving but hard enough also to keep money in the

hard enough also to keep money in the

hard enough also to keep money in the bank she went one step further she had

bank she went one step further she had

bank she went one step further she had an ATM card she snipped it up if she

an ATM card she snipped it up if she

an ATM card she snipped it up if she said hey that’s fine with me she you

said hey that’s fine with me she you

said hey that’s fine with me she you liked the distance she liked the

liked the distance she liked the

liked the distance she liked the inconvenience but she knew that if she

inconvenience but she knew that if she

inconvenience but she knew that if she really really needed to get the money

really really needed to get the money

really really needed to get the money she could drive there

she could drive there

she could drive there those aren’t perfect solutions Janice

those aren’t perfect solutions Janice

those aren’t perfect solutions Janice deserves better and needs better and

deserves better and needs better and

deserves better and needs better and could use other solutions but we can

could use other solutions but we can

could use other solutions but we can start to learn from some of what she’s

start to learn from some of what she’s

start to learn from some of what she’s doing one day at church Janice was

doing one day at church Janice was

doing one day at church Janice was having a rough time been a difficult

having a rough time been a difficult

having a rough time been a difficult week I’ve been a difficult month her

week I’ve been a difficult month her

week I’ve been a difficult month her father called a prayer line and

father called a prayer line and

father called a prayer line and congregants lined up down the center

congregants lined up down the center

congregants lined up down the center aisle waiting for a prayer or blessing

aisle waiting for a prayer or blessing

aisle waiting for a prayer or blessing something to help ease an illness or

something to help ease an illness or

something to help ease an illness or struggle and when Janice’s turn came up

struggle and when Janice’s turn came up

struggle and when Janice’s turn came up her father put out his hand on her

her father put out his hand on her

her father put out his hand on her forehead he lowered his voice so that

forehead he lowered his voice so that

forehead he lowered his voice so that only she could hear and he didn’t offer

only she could hear and he didn’t offer

only she could hear and he didn’t offer her a prayer he said you’ve got to stop

her a prayer he said you’ve got to stop

her a prayer he said you’ve got to stop worrying it’ll be all right

worrying it’ll be all right

worrying it’ll be all right and Janice said in that moment she knew

and Janice said in that moment she knew

and Janice said in that moment she knew she still had troubles and she’s

she still had troubles and she’s

she still had troubles and she’s continued to have troubles but a weight

continued to have troubles but a weight

continued to have troubles but a weight lift and it became easier but Janice

lift and it became easier but Janice

lift and it became easier but Janice said I try to be a good person I’m not

said I try to be a good person I’m not

said I try to be a good person I’m not an important person I just do what I do

an important person I just do what I do

an important person I just do what I do and I go home but I try to be a good

and I go home but I try to be a good

and I go home but I try to be a good person we met a lot of good people

person we met a lot of good people

person we met a lot of good people through the financial diary study but

through the financial diary study but

through the financial diary study but they were struggling and participating

they were struggling and participating

they were struggling and participating in our study frankly was hard work for

in our study frankly was hard work for

in our study frankly was hard work for them it was tedious they had to open

them it was tedious they had to open

them it was tedious they had to open themselves up and discuss parts of their

themselves up and discuss parts of their

themselves up and discuss parts of their lives that were often embarrassing or

lives that were often embarrassing or

lives that were often embarrassing or painful because we asked them to share

painful because we asked them to share

painful because we asked them to share with us everything they did throughout

with us everything they did throughout

with us everything they did throughout the year every financial transaction

the year every financial transaction

the year every financial transaction every gift of the church every

every gift of the church every

every gift of the church every interaction with the government

interaction with the government

interaction with the government everything and we asked

everything and we asked

everything and we asked and why’d they do that we were glad they

and why’d they do that we were glad they

and why’d they do that we were glad they did but we wanted to know in the end

did but we wanted to know in the end

did but we wanted to know in the end what caused them to participate in this

what caused them to participate in this

what caused them to participate in this study they said you know it’s often that

study they said you know it’s often that

study they said you know it’s often that we feel invisible and more than that our

we feel invisible and more than that our

we feel invisible and more than that our struggles feel invisible and maybe by

struggles feel invisible and maybe by

struggles feel invisible and maybe by participating in this project people can

participating in this project people can

participating in this project people can start to see what’s really going on with

start to see what’s really going on with

start to see what’s really going on with us and start to see what it’s like to

us and start to see what it’s like to

us and start to see what it’s like to have steady jobs but not steady pay be

have steady jobs but not steady pay be

have steady jobs but not steady pay be poor some of the time but not all the

poor some of the time but not all the

poor some of the time but not all the time to save like crazy work really hard

time to save like crazy work really hard

time to save like crazy work really hard to save but not in the end having long

to save but not in the end having long

to save but not in the end having long term savings in fact three-quarters of

term savings in fact three-quarters of

term savings in fact three-quarters of the families we met their savings in the

the families we met their savings in the

the families we met their savings in the bank were earmarked for spending within

bank were earmarked for spending within

bank were earmarked for spending within the year they weren’t recklessly

the year they weren’t recklessly

the year they weren’t recklessly spending at all they were saving but

spending at all they were saving but

spending at all they were saving but they weren’t ending up with long term

they weren’t ending up with long term

they weren’t ending up with long term saving and they said if people can start

saving and they said if people can start

saving and they said if people can start to see these challenges and start to

to see these challenges and start to

to see these challenges and start to work with them then we’ll we’ll join

work with them then we’ll we’ll join

work with them then we’ll we’ll join your effort so a small step that we can

your effort so a small step that we can

your effort so a small step that we can take it’s just to remind ourselves that

take it’s just to remind ourselves that

take it’s just to remind ourselves that it’s not always right

it’s not always right

it’s not always right to extrapolate from our own experiences

to extrapolate from our own experiences

to extrapolate from our own experiences or just to look at aggregate data or

or just to look at aggregate data or

or just to look at aggregate data or even annual incomes like Janice’s but to

even annual incomes like Janice’s but to

even annual incomes like Janice’s but to remember that life isn’t just lived year

remember that life isn’t just lived year

remember that life isn’t just lived year by year it’s also lived month by month

by year it’s also lived month by month

by year it’s also lived month by month and week by week

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