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do schools kill creativity Wow Wow

do schools kill creativity Wow Wow that’s a thought-provoking idea well

that’s a thought-provoking idea well

that’s a thought-provoking idea well that was the title of a talk by Sir Ken

that was the title of a talk by Sir Ken

that was the title of a talk by Sir Ken Robinson and probably the most popular

Robinson and probably the most popular

Robinson and probably the most popular TED talk that ted has had during its

TED talk that ted has had during its

TED talk that ted has had during its history and that would tip what he

history and that would tip what he

history and that would tip what he talked about was the fact that sort of

talked about was the fact that sort of

talked about was the fact that sort of the industrial school system we have

the industrial school system we have

the industrial school system we have today doesn’t serve the creative arts

today doesn’t serve the creative arts

today doesn’t serve the creative arts very well and we will need these

very well and we will need these

very well and we will need these creative arts in the future so I enjoyed

creative arts in the future so I enjoyed

creative arts in the future so I enjoyed his talk I really enjoyed his humor very

his talk I really enjoyed his humor very

his talk I really enjoyed his humor very entertaining talk but what was

entertaining talk but what was

entertaining talk but what was interesting is he really didn’t offer a

interesting is he really didn’t offer a

interesting is he really didn’t offer a solution now years later I was really

solution now years later I was really

solution now years later I was really looking for a solution because my own

looking for a solution because my own

looking for a solution because my own kids were going into high school and

kids were going into high school and

kids were going into high school and this all became very personal and

this all became very personal and

this all became very personal and emotional for me so I saw my kids going

emotional for me so I saw my kids going

emotional for me so I saw my kids going to the normal system and really my gut

to the normal system and really my gut

to the normal system and really my gut started hurting because I as I saw how

started hurting because I as I saw how

started hurting because I as I saw how they operated the schools operated they

they operated the schools operated they

they operated the schools operated they just didn’t seem to work very well you

just didn’t seem to work very well you

just didn’t seem to work very well you know the teachers were nice and

know the teachers were nice and

know the teachers were nice and competent but the whole thing just

competent but the whole thing just

competent but the whole thing just didn’t seem to work very well it

didn’t seem to work very well it

didn’t seem to work very well it reminded me a lot of the things that I

reminded me a lot of the things that I

reminded me a lot of the things that I see in my day job so now I guess I need

see in my day job so now I guess I need

see in my day job so now I guess I need to talk to you about my day job so I’m a

to talk to you about my day job so I’m a

to talk to you about my day job so I’m a strategist I look at help companies

strategist I look at help companies

strategist I look at help companies large and small with their strategy and

large and small with their strategy and

large and small with their strategy and operations you know I guess what I want

operations you know I guess what I want

operations you know I guess what I want to do today is tell you about my

to do today is tell you about my

to do today is tell you about my two-year journey about using the skills

two-year journey about using the skills

two-year journey about using the skills for my day job and looking at the

for my day job and looking at the

for my day job and looking at the educational system now you know all of

educational system now you know all of

educational system now you know all of us will probably went through the

us will probably went through the

us will probably went through the educational system but at that point

educational system but at that point

educational system but at that point where they’re at in the maze right we

where they’re at in the maze right we

where they’re at in the maze right we don’t go there yes sir you know and so

don’t go there yes sir you know and so

don’t go there yes sir you know and so on but it’s interesting to look at it

on but it’s interesting to look at it

on but it’s interesting to look at it from the outside and with a scientific

from the outside and with a scientific

from the outside and with a scientific view so here’s how I want to do it first

view so here’s how I want to do it first

view so here’s how I want to do it first I want to make some high-level

I want to make some high-level

I want to make some high-level observations second I’m

observations second I’m

observations second I’m talk about the fundamental economic

talk about the fundamental economic

talk about the fundamental economic underpinnings of the education system I

underpinnings of the education system I

underpinnings of the education system I know that’s not something we talk about

know that’s not something we talk about

know that’s not something we talk about very much but I’m going to talk about

very much but I’m going to talk about

very much but I’m going to talk about that because I think that really will go

that because I think that really will go

that because I think that really will go a long way in explaining why it behaves

a long way in explaining why it behaves

a long way in explaining why it behaves the way it does

the way it does

the way it does third I want to talk about why it’s so

third I want to talk about why it’s so

third I want to talk about why it’s so hard to change okay and fourth a

hard to change okay and fourth a

hard to change okay and fourth a positive note after these two years I

positive note after these two years I

positive note after these two years I want to let you know that I’m actually

want to let you know that I’m actually

want to let you know that I’m actually quite positive about the prospect for

quite positive about the prospect for

quite positive about the prospect for change for the education systems that is

change for the education systems that is

change for the education systems that is I think we can get to low cost high

I think we can get to low cost high

I think we can get to low cost high quality lifelong education if we can all

quality lifelong education if we can all

quality lifelong education if we can all do just a couple of things so hold that

do just a couple of things so hold that

do just a couple of things so hold that thought

thought

thought so observations yeah you know when you

so observations yeah you know when you

so observations yeah you know when you first look at the system the first

first look at the system the first

first look at the system the first observation you make is we take kids and

observation you make is we take kids and

observation you make is we take kids and we segregate them from society and put

we segregate them from society and put

we segregate them from society and put them into this thing called the

them into this thing called the

them into this thing called the education system they can’t leave it’s a

education system they can’t leave it’s a

education system they can’t leave it’s a prison right and after about 11 years or

prison right and after about 11 years or

prison right and after about 11 years or so we say so what do you want to do in

so we say so what do you want to do in

so we say so what do you want to do in life I mean you know I don’t think

life I mean you know I don’t think

life I mean you know I don’t think that’s a particularly fair question to

that’s a particularly fair question to

that’s a particularly fair question to ask how would they know another

ask how would they know another

ask how would they know another observation the education system is

observation the education system is

observation the education system is amazingly insular the people that work

amazingly insular the people that work

amazingly insular the people that work in it the professors the administrators

in it the professors the administrators

in it the professors the administrators the teachers have likely worked with it

the teachers have likely worked with it

the teachers have likely worked with it their whole careers the interesting

their whole careers the interesting

their whole careers the interesting thing about that is we as a society look

thing about that is we as a society look

thing about that is we as a society look at the education system as the key thing

at the education system as the key thing

at the education system as the key thing that produces workers and citizens for

that produces workers and citizens for

that produces workers and citizens for the rest of society again this doesn’t

the rest of society again this doesn’t

the rest of society again this doesn’t seem to jive right there’s almost no

seem to jive right there’s almost no

seem to jive right there’s almost no interaction going on third you know most

interaction going on third you know most

interaction going on third you know most of us have to K through 12 education we

of us have to K through 12 education we

of us have to K through 12 education we hope our kids go to fabulous colleges

hope our kids go to fabulous colleges

hope our kids go to fabulous colleges and in order to facilitate this process

and in order to facilitate this process

and in order to facilitate this process there’s all sorts of college prep

there’s all sorts of college prep

there’s all sorts of college prep programs there’s AP there’s IB and ace

programs there’s AP there’s IB and ace

programs there’s AP there’s IB and ace and so on now what’s interesting is

and so on now what’s interesting is

and so on now what’s interesting is there

there

there pretty self-similar you know four years

pretty self-similar you know four years

pretty self-similar you know four years of English three years of math two years

of English three years of math two years

of English three years of math two years of foreign language and so on but what’s

of foreign language and so on but what’s

of foreign language and so on but what’s the first question that really great

the first question that really great

the first question that really great colleges ask so how are you different

colleges ask so how are you different

colleges ask so how are you different now again I don’t think that’s

now again I don’t think that’s

now again I don’t think that’s particularly fair you know we load down

particularly fair you know we load down

particularly fair you know we load down the kids with this largely selfless

the kids with this largely selfless

the kids with this largely selfless still self-similar program and then sort

still self-similar program and then sort

still self-similar program and then sort of say hey you know how can i build true

of say hey you know how can i build true

of say hey you know how can i build true differentiation so then what are we left

differentiation so then what are we left

differentiation so then what are we left with we’re left with standardized tests

with we’re left with standardized tests

with we’re left with standardized tests on the one hand and grades now I want to

on the one hand and grades now I want to

on the one hand and grades now I want to talk about grades what are they for just

talk about grades what are they for just

talk about grades what are they for just a just basic question what are they for

a just basic question what are they for

a just basic question what are they for I mean certainly there’s some

I mean certainly there’s some

I mean certainly there’s some certification you know if you get a tail

certification you know if you get a tail

certification you know if you get a tail algebra we think you know algebra but

algebra we think you know algebra but

algebra we think you know algebra but what I’m really interested in is what if

what I’m really interested in is what if

what I’m really interested in is what if you get a D in algebra what does that

you get a D in algebra what does that

you get a D in algebra what does that mean what certainly means you don’t know

mean what certainly means you don’t know

mean what certainly means you don’t know algebra I think that’s pretty clear but

algebra I think that’s pretty clear but

algebra I think that’s pretty clear but why wait maybe you’re not a good student

why wait maybe you’re not a good student

why wait maybe you’re not a good student maybe you didn’t have a good teacher you

maybe you didn’t have a good teacher you

maybe you didn’t have a good teacher you know it may be that you were just enough

know it may be that you were just enough

know it may be that you were just enough not in a life condition where you know

not in a life condition where you know

not in a life condition where you know algebra was important to you I guess my

algebra was important to you I guess my

algebra was important to you I guess my point is this Dean algebra really

point is this Dean algebra really

point is this Dean algebra really doesn’t have an economic benefit and

doesn’t have an economic benefit and

doesn’t have an economic benefit and that’s kind of funny

that’s kind of funny

that’s kind of funny if you think about it because this is

if you think about it because this is

if you think about it because this is one of the few circumstances where we

one of the few circumstances where we

one of the few circumstances where we pay for an economic good that can

pay for an economic good that can

pay for an economic good that can actually filter us out of our own future

so we have a funny system right I mean

so we have a funny system right I mean you just let’s just MIT it now when you

you just let’s just MIT it now when you

you just let’s just MIT it now when you were you whenever you as a strategist

were you whenever you as a strategist

were you whenever you as a strategist look at something like this you have to

look at something like this you have to

look at something like this you have to ask well why is it the way it is after

ask well why is it the way it is after

ask well why is it the way it is after all things that have been running for

all things that have been running for

all things that have been running for hundreds of years don’t end up that way

hundreds of years don’t end up that way

hundreds of years don’t end up that way for no reason so I think the key insight

for no reason so I think the key insight

for no reason so I think the key insight to understanding the educational system

to understanding the educational system

to understanding the educational system is to understand its economic

is to understand its economic

is to understand its economic underpinnings and by the way this is

underpinnings and by the way this is

underpinnings and by the way this is true whether you’re talking about k-12

true whether you’re talking about k-12

true whether you’re talking about k-12 education you’re talking about college

education you’re talking about college

education you’re talking about college education even graduate education to a

education even graduate education to a

education even graduate education to a certain degree and here’s the key thing

certain degree and here’s the key thing

certain degree and here’s the key thing the whole education system is based on

the whole education system is based on

the whole education system is based on the following there’s a scarce resource

the following there’s a scarce resource

the following there’s a scarce resource which we call the teacher

which we call the teacher

which we call the teacher there’s a scarce resource which we call

there’s a scarce resource which we call

there’s a scarce resource which we call the classroom and the education system

the classroom and the education system

the classroom and the education system takes these two things together and

takes these two things together and

takes these two things together and through a craftsman like model delivers

through a craftsman like model delivers

through a craftsman like model delivers education to banks of kids as they go by

education to banks of kids as they go by

education to banks of kids as they go by okay so those are the three fundamentals

okay so those are the three fundamentals

okay so those are the three fundamentals its craftsman model scarcity of the two

its craftsman model scarcity of the two

its craftsman model scarcity of the two aspects of Education now you know as

aspects of Education now you know as

aspects of Education now you know as long as the scarcity is real

long as the scarcity is real

long as the scarcity is real one could argue maybe it’s not a bad

one could argue maybe it’s not a bad

one could argue maybe it’s not a bad system right but what’s interesting to

system right but what’s interesting to

system right but what’s interesting to me is you know let’s consider the

me is you know let’s consider the

me is you know let’s consider the craftsman model nearly every industry

craftsman model nearly every industry

craftsman model nearly every industry starts out as a craftsman model but you

starts out as a craftsman model but you

starts out as a craftsman model but you know what happens rapidly afterwards

know what happens rapidly afterwards

know what happens rapidly afterwards people start looking at the basic

people start looking at the basic

people start looking at the basic processes that occur and say well how

processes that occur and say well how

processes that occur and say well how can we optimize these in such a way that

can we optimize these in such a way that

can we optimize these in such a way that the quality of delivery is consistent

the quality of delivery is consistent

the quality of delivery is consistent the cost goes down and maybe there’s

the cost goes down and maybe there’s

the cost goes down and maybe there’s different service levels well I mean we

different service levels well I mean we

different service levels well I mean we know this I mean if the food industry

know this I mean if the food industry

know this I mean if the food industry has you can have McDonald’s Panera etc

has you can have McDonald’s Panera etc

has you can have McDonald’s Panera etc the hotel industry has this but

the hotel industry has this but

the hotel industry has this but education uniquely we’re still in the

education uniquely we’re still in the

education uniquely we’re still in the craftsman model you know and the

craftsman model you know and the

craftsman model you know and the consequences are huge in terms of waste

consequences are huge in terms of waste

consequences are huge in terms of waste I mean just think about it how old is

I mean just think about it how old is

I mean just think about it how old is algebra hundreds of years old

algebra hundreds of years old

algebra hundreds of years old but thousands of teacher today teachers

but thousands of teacher today teachers

but thousands of teacher today teachers today the cross the United States will

today the cross the United States will

today the cross the United States will get up develop a lecture deliver the

get up develop a lecture deliver the

get up develop a lecture deliver the lecture do assessment correct the

lecture do assessment correct the

lecture do assessment correct the assessments and then get on the hamster

assessments and then get on the hamster

assessments and then get on the hamster wheel to do it over and over again now

wheel to do it over and over again now

wheel to do it over and over again now every other industry would look at that

every other industry would look at that

every other industry would look at that and say you know let’s optimize the heck

and say you know let’s optimize the heck

and say you know let’s optimize the heck out of this and let’s take the most core

out of this and let’s take the most core

out of this and let’s take the most core resource we have the teacher and the

resource we have the teacher and the

resource we have the teacher and the one-on-one time that’s the most valuable

one-on-one time that’s the most valuable

one-on-one time that’s the most valuable thing that’s there maximize that and

thing that’s there maximize that and

thing that’s there maximize that and automate the rest of this stuff it can

automate the rest of this stuff it can

automate the rest of this stuff it can be done let me tell you let’s talk about

be done let me tell you let’s talk about

be done let me tell you let’s talk about these other two scarcities that drive

these other two scarcities that drive

these other two scarcities that drive the whole economics of the system so one

the whole economics of the system so one

the whole economics of the system so one is the classroom well we all know with

is the classroom well we all know with

is the classroom well we all know with computer technology in the internet we

computer technology in the internet we

computer technology in the internet we can have virtual classrooms and they’re

can have virtual classrooms and they’re

can have virtual classrooms and they’re advantageous in many many ways but one

advantageous in many many ways but one

advantageous in many many ways but one key way their advantages

key way their advantages

key way their advantages advantageous is eminently scalable we’re

advantageous is eminently scalable we’re

advantageous is eminently scalable we’re currently building physical buildings

currently building physical buildings

currently building physical buildings all over the place enormous amounts of

all over the place enormous amounts of

all over the place enormous amounts of money are being spent on physical

money are being spent on physical

money are being spent on physical buildings as if buildings could teach

buildings as if buildings could teach

buildings as if buildings could teach you no let’s talk about the teacher I’ve

you no let’s talk about the teacher I’ve

you no let’s talk about the teacher I’ve talked about the productivity of the

talked about the productivity of the

talked about the productivity of the teacher but realistically would sit with

teacher but realistically would sit with

teacher but realistically would sit with the Internet technology one can actually

the Internet technology one can actually

the Internet technology one can actually source a much wider variety of teachers

source a much wider variety of teachers

source a much wider variety of teachers and quality of teachers geographically

and quality of teachers geographically

and quality of teachers geographically so if you want to get an industrial arts

so if you want to get an industrial arts

so if you want to get an industrial arts teacher living in Michigan to teach

teacher living in Michigan to teach

teacher living in Michigan to teach something in Florida you can if you want

something in Florida you can if you want

something in Florida you can if you want to get a you know Chinese speaking

to get a you know Chinese speaking

to get a you know Chinese speaking teacher from San Francisco to teach in

teacher from San Francisco to teach in

teacher from San Francisco to teach in Michigan you can we just have to think

Michigan you can we just have to think

Michigan you can we just have to think broadly so what is this all net up to if

broadly so what is this all net up to if

broadly so what is this all net up to if we just in education did the things

we just in education did the things

we just in education did the things every other industry does focus on

every other industry does focus on

every other industry does focus on process optimization focus on using

process optimization focus on using

process optimization focus on using technology and innovation and do that as

technology and innovation and do that as

technology and innovation and do that as a forward-looking process I think we can

a forward-looking process I think we can

a forward-looking process I think we can fundamentally change how education works

fundamentally change how education works

fundamentally change how education works so that leads the question so why hasn’t

so that leads the question so why hasn’t

so that leads the question so why hasn’t already happened

already happened

already happened obviously these are large bureaucracies

obviously these are large bureaucracies

obviously these are large bureaucracies there and they don’t want to change

there and they don’t want to change

there and they don’t want to change right by the way that’s true for every

right by the way that’s true for every

right by the way that’s true for every bureaucracy not just education and I

bureaucracy not just education and I

bureaucracy not just education and I think one could say there’s like kind of

think one could say there’s like kind of

think one could say there’s like kind of this local versus global decision making

this local versus global decision making

this local versus global decision making that happens a lot let me take that

that happens a lot let me take that

that happens a lot let me take that algebra teacher if you’ve been teaching

algebra teacher if you’ve been teaching

algebra teacher if you’ve been teaching algebra for nine years teaching it the

algebra for nine years teaching it the

algebra for nine years teaching it the same way the 10th year really isn’t that

same way the 10th year really isn’t that

same way the 10th year really isn’t that that much incremental effort but

that much incremental effort but

that much incremental effort but teaching it a completely different way

teaching it a completely different way

teaching it a completely different way with higher productivity well that’s a

with higher productivity well that’s a

with higher productivity well that’s a lot of work so there’s a lot of inertia

lot of work so there’s a lot of inertia

lot of work so there’s a lot of inertia in the system also the work what I’m

in the system also the work what I’m

in the system also the work what I’m talking about here is pretty different

talking about here is pretty different

talking about here is pretty different day to day so it’s kind of like you know

day to day so it’s kind of like you know

day to day so it’s kind of like you know Sears trying to figure out ecommerce

Sears trying to figure out ecommerce

Sears trying to figure out ecommerce it’s hard for them right but you know

it’s hard for them right but you know

it’s hard for them right but you know all of us that I just said it’s true in

all of us that I just said it’s true in

all of us that I just said it’s true in other industries so what what’s really

other industries so what what’s really

other industries so what what’s really different here well what’s really

different here well what’s really

different here well what’s really different here I think is

different here I think is

different here I think is we tolerated let me give you an example

we tolerated let me give you an example

we tolerated let me give you an example I know of IB programs where different

I know of IB programs where different

I know of IB programs where different teachers use different software programs

teachers use different software programs

teachers use different software programs and because they use different software

and because they use different software

and because they use different software programs there are students that are

programs there are students that are

programs there are students that are managing 20 20 to 25 different logins no

managing 20 20 to 25 different logins no

managing 20 20 to 25 different logins no I don’t think managing logins is a huge

I don’t think managing logins is a huge

I don’t think managing logins is a huge educational benefit but my point is just

educational benefit but my point is just

educational benefit but my point is just notice what just happened here all the

notice what just happened here all the

notice what just happened here all the aggregate complexity for that education

aggregate complexity for that education

aggregate complexity for that education got pushed from the individual teachers

got pushed from the individual teachers

got pushed from the individual teachers to the student and their parents we

to the student and their parents we

to the student and their parents we would not tolerate this in any other

would not tolerate this in any other

would not tolerate this in any other aspect of our life I mean if you went to

aspect of our life I mean if you went to

aspect of our life I mean if you went to a bank and every single teller told you

a bank and every single teller told you

a bank and every single teller told you there was a different way to interact to

there was a different way to interact to

there was a different way to interact to them you wouldn’t tolerate it so what’s

them you wouldn’t tolerate it so what’s

them you wouldn’t tolerate it so what’s different about education is we tolerate

different about education is we tolerate

different about education is we tolerate it that’s one thing the second thing

it that’s one thing the second thing

it that’s one thing the second thing that’s different is we have this kind of

that’s different is we have this kind of

that’s different is we have this kind of social psychological straightjacket

social psychological straightjacket

social psychological straightjacket around education that is if you want to

around education that is if you want to

around education that is if you want to do something unconventional it’s kind of

do something unconventional it’s kind of

do something unconventional it’s kind of a social stigma tied to it it’s

a social stigma tied to it it’s

a social stigma tied to it it’s different oh you didn’t get quite the

different oh you didn’t get quite the

different oh you didn’t get quite the degree that we thought you should have

degree that we thought you should have

degree that we thought you should have gotten or you didn’t do it the way we

gotten or you didn’t do it the way we

gotten or you didn’t do it the way we want it right and that itself creates

want it right and that itself creates

want it right and that itself creates inertia in the whole system because

inertia in the whole system because

inertia in the whole system because there’s only one way to do things I’m

there’s only one way to do things I’m

there’s only one way to do things I’m here to tell you there’s actually a lot

here to tell you there’s actually a lot

here to tell you there’s actually a lot of exciting stuff happening I mean if

of exciting stuff happening I mean if

of exciting stuff happening I mean if you look around in the unconventional

you look around in the unconventional

you look around in the unconventional world you have folks like Western

world you have folks like Western

world you have folks like Western Governors University or the University

Governors University or the University

Governors University or the University of Arizona offering self-paced

of Arizona offering self-paced

of Arizona offering self-paced competency-based education at reasonable

competency-based education at reasonable

competency-based education at reasonable cost you have Florida Virtual School

cost you have Florida Virtual School

cost you have Florida Virtual School doing the same thing for K through 12

doing the same thing for K through 12

doing the same thing for K through 12 education you know just to realize what

education you know just to realize what

education you know just to realize what that means is the student can move at

that means is the student can move at

that means is the student can move at their own pace

their own pace

their own pace they have 24/7 access to the materials

they have 24/7 access to the materials

they have 24/7 access to the materials they can have a one-on-one relationship

they can have a one-on-one relationship

they can have a one-on-one relationship with the teacher and we do this today

with the teacher and we do this today

with the teacher and we do this today right it’s available all of you your

right it’s available all of you your

right it’s available all of you your folks like Khan Academy which are

folks like Khan Academy which are

folks like Khan Academy which are bypassing the

bypassing the

bypassing the nation functions and talking directly to

nation functions and talking directly to

nation functions and talking directly to to the employers and building a scale

to the employers and building a scale

to the employers and building a scale system for building those skills and you

system for building those skills and you

system for building those skills and you know the educational system is paying

know the educational system is paying

know the educational system is paying attention when Purdue University a large

attention when Purdue University a large

attention when Purdue University a large public university buys Kaplan learning

public university buys Kaplan learning

public university buys Kaplan learning systems okay so if you add it all up

systems okay so if you add it all up

systems okay so if you add it all up there’s very interesting things

there’s very interesting things

there’s very interesting things happening in this unconventional world

happening in this unconventional world

happening in this unconventional world now you might ask well if you think this

now you might ask well if you think this

now you might ask well if you think this is all so great what did you do with

is all so great what did you do with

is all so great what did you do with your kids and indeed what I’m going to

your kids and indeed what I’m going to

your kids and indeed what I’m going to tell you is when I looked at this whole

tell you is when I looked at this whole

tell you is when I looked at this whole space

space

space I had a left-brain right-brain fight and

I had a left-brain right-brain fight and

I had a left-brain right-brain fight and the left brain said yeah then analysis

the left brain said yeah then analysis

the left brain said yeah then analysis part said I’m looking at this this is

part said I’m looking at this this is

part said I’m looking at this this is obvious this is actually the best

obvious this is actually the best

obvious this is actually the best education at independent of cost you can

education at independent of cost you can

education at independent of cost you can get but my right brain said that’s

get but my right brain said that’s

get but my right brain said that’s different

different

different what will others say right but after two

what will others say right but after two

what will others say right but after two years you know the subjects of my

years you know the subjects of my

years you know the subjects of my scientific experiment my kids I can tell

scientific experiment my kids I can tell

scientific experiment my kids I can tell you that they’re thriving now I’m not

you that they’re thriving now I’m not

you that they’re thriving now I’m not saying everybody should do what I did in

saying everybody should do what I did in

saying everybody should do what I did in fact kind of my point is you should all

fact kind of my point is you should all

fact kind of my point is you should all do what’s right for you

do what’s right for you

do what’s right for you but what I’m saying is whoever your

but what I’m saying is whoever your

but what I’m saying is whoever your institutions of Education are you really

institutions of Education are you really

institutions of Education are you really need to demand from them innovative

need to demand from them innovative

need to demand from them innovative techniques and and innovation in terms

techniques and and innovation in terms

techniques and and innovation in terms of what they do day to day and when they

of what they do day to day and when they

of what they do day to day and when they don’t provide it be very open to the

don’t provide it be very open to the

don’t provide it be very open to the unconventional methods because the

unconventional methods because the

unconventional methods because the system won’t change until you do okay

system won’t change until you do okay

system won’t change until you do okay and the second thing is let’s all

and the second thing is let’s all

and the second thing is let’s all collectively get rid of this social

collectively get rid of this social

collectively get rid of this social stigma around around doing different

stigma around around doing different

stigma around around doing different ways of education so sort of finally I

ways of education so sort of finally I

ways of education so sort of finally I think if we do all of this sort of stuff

think if we do all of this sort of stuff

think if we do all of this sort of stuff there’s an opportunity to really change

there’s an opportunity to really change

there’s an opportunity to really change the education system and I think we can

the education system and I think we can

the education system and I think we can get to a point where the

get to a point where the

get to a point where the big part of Education we don’t talk

big part of Education we don’t talk

big part of Education we don’t talk about it as adults you know as well as

about it as adults you know as well as

about it as adults you know as well as kids and college kids all of us I think

kids and college kids all of us I think

kids and college kids all of us I think should have an ability to get access to

should have an ability to get access to

should have an ability to get access to education literally as a utility and I

education literally as a utility and I

education literally as a utility and I think we can get there okay I thought

think we can get there okay I thought

think we can get there okay I thought this is an interesting idea and that’s

this is an interesting idea and that’s

this is an interesting idea and that’s why I wanted to share with you thank you

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