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Separating Leadership from Pay | Stephan Hostettler | TEDxZurich


it was 1994 when our father retired from

it was 1994 when our father retired from the family-owned company and back then

the family-owned company and back then

the family-owned company and back then my brother and I were facing a

my brother and I were facing a

my brother and I were facing a succession situation so who should

succession situation so who should

succession situation so who should succeed our Father back then we had

succeed our Father back then we had

succeed our Father back then we had different jobs different positions and

different jobs different positions and

different jobs different positions and we figured that we willing to you a

we figured that we willing to you a

we figured that we willing to you a couple of candidates for the CEO

couple of candidates for the CEO

couple of candidates for the CEO position and when we went through those

position and when we went through those

position and when we went through those interviews we realized very quickly that

interviews we realized very quickly that

interviews we realized very quickly that it’s pretty easy to talk about strategy

it’s pretty easy to talk about strategy

it’s pretty easy to talk about strategy about organization about future

about organization about future

about organization about future investments for the firm what became

investments for the firm what became

investments for the firm what became cumbersome was a discussion about the

cumbersome was a discussion about the

cumbersome was a discussion about the CEOs contract about about his income how

CEOs contract about about his income how

CEOs contract about about his income how do we measure the performance of the

do we measure the performance of the

do we measure the performance of the firm and more importantly how do we

firm and more importantly how do we

firm and more importantly how do we measure the performance of the CEO when

measure the performance of the CEO when

measure the performance of the CEO when shall we pay him bonus and how much

shall we pay him bonus and how much

shall we pay him bonus and how much should we pay so back then actually we

should we pay so back then actually we

should we pay so back then actually we decided that my brother takes over the

decided that my brother takes over the

decided that my brother takes over the CEO position but this situation impacted

CEO position but this situation impacted

CEO position but this situation impacted my life quite a bit

my life quite a bit

my life quite a bit actually it impacted my professional

actually it impacted my professional

actually it impacted my professional life to the extent that I founded my own

life to the extent that I founded my own

life to the extent that I founded my own firm in 2002 fully committed to the

firm in 2002 fully committed to the

firm in 2002 fully committed to the question of leadership and pain let me

question of leadership and pain let me

question of leadership and pain let me start by asking you a question

start by asking you a question

start by asking you a question are you happy with what you earn today

we ask this question to switch

we ask this question to switch population and you wouldn’t believe it

population and you wouldn’t believe it

population and you wouldn’t believe it that 83% 83% of the Swiss population is

that 83% 83% of the Swiss population is

that 83% 83% of the Swiss population is happy or very happy with what they make

happy or very happy with what they make

happy or very happy with what they make at the same time 56% of the population

at the same time 56% of the population

at the same time 56% of the population says we have no clue how the bonus is

says we have no clue how the bonus is

says we have no clue how the bonus is constructed well why is that because

constructed well why is that because

constructed well why is that because it’s too complicated or is it because

it’s too complicated or is it because

it’s too complicated or is it because they are not interested because they

they are not interested because they

they are not interested because they think it doesn’t matter well I don’t

think it doesn’t matter well I don’t

think it doesn’t matter well I don’t think so because 71%

think so because 71%

think so because 71% say that the way companies pay bonuses

say that the way companies pay bonuses

say that the way companies pay bonuses impacts the culture of the firm

impacts the culture of the firm

impacts the culture of the firm significantly it impacts the way people

significantly it impacts the way people

significantly it impacts the way people behave it impacts the level of

behave it impacts the level of

behave it impacts the level of collaboration of cooperation

collaboration of cooperation

collaboration of cooperation dramatically

dramatically

dramatically well I’m often asked whether money is a

well I’m often asked whether money is a

well I’m often asked whether money is a special a good incentive for people to

special a good incentive for people to

special a good incentive for people to go the extra mile work the extra hours

go the extra mile work the extra hours

go the extra mile work the extra hours but you know what empirically you cannot

but you know what empirically you cannot

but you know what empirically you cannot really show that actually for cognitive

really show that actually for cognitive

really show that actually for cognitive challenging jobs money is a real bad

challenging jobs money is a real bad

challenging jobs money is a real bad tool and there’s a broad evidence that

tool and there’s a broad evidence that

tool and there’s a broad evidence that for cognitive challenging jobs money

for cognitive challenging jobs money

for cognitive challenging jobs money actually does not really foster teamwork

actually does not really foster teamwork

actually does not really foster teamwork it doesn’t it actually burdens the

it doesn’t it actually burdens the

it doesn’t it actually burdens the efficiency of the work not for

efficiency of the work not for

efficiency of the work not for repetitive or for cognitive challenging

repetitive or for cognitive challenging

repetitive or for cognitive challenging jobs what we do know for sure also very

jobs what we do know for sure also very

jobs what we do know for sure also very much empirically shown is that human

much empirically shown is that human

much empirically shown is that human beings in general but also employees

beings in general but also employees

beings in general but also employees react to money very sensitively so let’s

react to money very sensitively so let’s

react to money very sensitively so let’s think about this let’s think about how

think about this let’s think about how

think about this let’s think about how to tackle this money question and pay

to tackle this money question and pay

to tackle this money question and pay question in a firm let’s start with the

question in a firm let’s start with the

question in a firm let’s start with the employees first what do employees expect

employees first what do employees expect

employees first what do employees expect the general answer to this question is

the general answer to this question is

the general answer to this question is appreciation right they expect

appreciation right they expect

appreciation right they expect appreciation but how do we deal with

appreciation but how do we deal with

appreciation but how do we deal with appreciation let’s make it more precise

appreciation let’s make it more precise

appreciation let’s make it more precise more tangible appreciation could be

more tangible appreciation could be

more tangible appreciation could be split into three major component number

split into three major component number

split into three major component number one people expect feedback they expect

one people expect feedback they expect

one people expect feedback they expect feedback they need to know where they

feedback they need to know where they

feedback they need to know where they stand where they are what do I good and

stand where they are what do I good and

stand where they are what do I good and how they are compared to others right

how they are compared to others right

how they are compared to others right that’s very important to employees but

that’s very important to employees but

that’s very important to employees but to human beings in general number two of

to human beings in general number two of

to human beings in general number two of appreciation is development people

appreciation is development people

appreciation is development people expect that they are shown the path a

expect that they are shown the path a

expect that they are shown the path a career where can I go from here what is

career where can I go from here what is

career where can I go from here what is my next step that’s something that

my next step that’s something that

my next step that’s something that employers actually owe the employees and

employers actually owe the employees and

employers actually owe the employees and number three the third form appreciation

number three the third form appreciation

number three the third form appreciation and I put it very bluntly it’s money

and I put it very bluntly it’s money

and I put it very bluntly it’s money it’s pay right yes people expect even

it’s pay right yes people expect even

it’s pay right yes people expect even though officially nobody really works

though officially nobody really works

though officially nobody really works for money right but you know in fact

for money right but you know in fact

for money right but you know in fact there is this is a very important form

there is this is a very important form

there is this is a very important form of appreciation

of appreciation

of appreciation the problem is not

the problem is not

the problem is not the companies did not understand or do

the companies did not understand or do

the companies did not understand or do not understand that those three elements

not understand that those three elements

not understand that those three elements of appreciation is very important the

of appreciation is very important the

of appreciation is very important the problem is that the companies over the

problem is that the companies over the

problem is that the companies over the last 20-30 years

last 20-30 years

last 20-30 years established one single process across

established one single process across

established one single process across all three elements of appreciation one

all three elements of appreciation one

all three elements of appreciation one single process that sometimes is called

single process that sometimes is called

single process that sometimes is called performance management process you know

performance management process you know

performance management process you know it could be goal-setting management

it could be goal-setting management

it could be goal-setting management objective whatever the name is

objective whatever the name is

objective whatever the name is establishing a single process throughout

establishing a single process throughout

establishing a single process throughout all three elements of appreciation now

all three elements of appreciation now

all three elements of appreciation now this idea is really flawed because this

this idea is really flawed because this

this idea is really flawed because this idea of a single process is based on

idea of a single process is based on

idea of a single process is based on three myths myth number one everything

three myths myth number one everything

three myths myth number one everything is measurable is that really true can

is measurable is that really true can

is measurable is that really true can you measure an individual’s contribution

you measure an individual’s contribution

you measure an individual’s contribution to the success of a firm or a team

to the success of a firm or a team

to the success of a firm or a team accurately can you do that myth number

accurately can you do that myth number

accurately can you do that myth number two if you can measure it you can rate

two if you can measure it you can rate

two if you can measure it you can rate it and then companies actually ended up

it and then companies actually ended up

it and then companies actually ended up establishing scoring system scoring

establishing scoring system scoring

establishing scoring system scoring systems you know I something between 1 &

systems you know I something between 1 &

systems you know I something between 1 & 5 or 1 & 7 it could be a double a plus

5 or 1 & 7 it could be a double a plus

5 or 1 & 7 it could be a double a plus CC minus whatever there is

CC minus whatever there is

CC minus whatever there is but the scoring system puts one

but the scoring system puts one

but the scoring system puts one individual for one year performance in

individual for one year performance in

individual for one year performance in one single number let’s think about this

one single number let’s think about this

one single number let’s think about this what does it do to people receiving a

what does it do to people receiving a

what does it do to people receiving a number of performance once a year let’s

number of performance once a year let’s

number of performance once a year let’s think about the family father

think about the family father

think about the family father a family father just went through the

a family father just went through the

a family father just went through the rating season and scoring season in this

rating season and scoring season in this

rating season and scoring season in this firm he has his discussion with his boss

firm he has his discussion with his boss

firm he has his discussion with his boss right and then he goes home in the

right and then he goes home in the

right and then he goes home in the evening sits down at the family table

evening sits down at the family table

evening sits down at the family table and then his wife because his wife knows

and then his wife because his wife knows

and then his wife because his wife knows that the scouring season right his wife

that the scouring season right his wife

that the scouring season right his wife asks him so honey what are you and then

asks him so honey what are you and then

asks him so honey what are you and then he goes well I’m a 4.0 and then you know

he goes well I’m a 4.0 and then you know

he goes well I’m a 4.0 and then you know 4.0 between 1 and 5 say 4.0 is pretty

4.0 between 1 and 5 say 4.0 is pretty

4.0 between 1 and 5 say 4.0 is pretty good right 5 is very very good and four

good right 5 is very very good and four

good right 5 is very very good and four points is okay it’s a good performance

points is okay it’s a good performance

points is okay it’s a good performance and then she goes well congratulations

and then she goes well congratulations

and then she goes well congratulations honey and by the way what is you

honey and by the way what is you

honey and by the way what is you colleague David

colleague David

colleague David and then he looks at her and says well

and then he looks at her and says well

and then he looks at her and says well David is a 4.5 and then her her eyes

David is a 4.5 and then her her eyes

David is a 4.5 and then her her eyes start to dark and right and she says how

start to dark and right and she says how

start to dark and right and she says how can he be that David is better than you

can he be that David is better than you

can he be that David is better than you is impossible you worked way more you

is impossible you worked way more you

is impossible you worked way more you were way more creative you put more

were way more creative you put more

were way more creative you put more energy into the firm it’s impossible you

energy into the firm it’s impossible you

energy into the firm it’s impossible you should not accept the score on top of it

should not accept the score on top of it

should not accept the score on top of it the two children sitting at the family

the two children sitting at the family

the two children sitting at the family table listen to the conversation right

table listen to the conversation right

table listen to the conversation right and they learn that apparently the

and they learn that apparently the

and they learn that apparently the father is worse than David so what can

father is worse than David so what can

father is worse than David so what can what can this family father do he has

what can this family father do he has

what can this family father do he has two choices he can either fight it so he

two choices he can either fight it so he

two choices he can either fight it so he can go back to the firm and say I need a

can go back to the firm and say I need a

can go back to the firm and say I need a better score right

better score right

better score right or he can fly to the situation he can

or he can fly to the situation he can

or he can fly to the situation he can look for a different job a different

look for a different job a different

look for a different job a different company because this demotivating effect

company because this demotivating effect

company because this demotivating effect was very well and soon understood by

was very well and soon understood by

was very well and soon understood by managers who distributed scores the

managers who distributed scores the

managers who distributed scores the companies and a lot of firms ended up in

companies and a lot of firms ended up in

companies and a lot of firms ended up in distributing scores which actually

distributing scores which actually

distributing scores which actually converge to all the same everybody gets

converge to all the same everybody gets

converge to all the same everybody gets a four point one four point two

a four point one four point two

a four point one four point two everybody is approximately the same

everybody is approximately the same

everybody is approximately the same right because of this discouragement

right because of this discouragement

right because of this discouragement effect a lot of companies abolish and

effect a lot of companies abolish and

effect a lot of companies abolish and started to abolish those kind of storing

started to abolish those kind of storing

started to abolish those kind of storing systems a large international software

systems a large international software

systems a large international software firm did this a couple of years ago and

firm did this a couple of years ago and

firm did this a couple of years ago and since then you know the employees are

since then you know the employees are

since then you know the employees are much happier as you’re aware a larger

much happier as you’re aware a larger

much happier as you’re aware a larger Swiss bank actually did also abolish the

Swiss bank actually did also abolish the

Swiss bank actually did also abolish the traditional approach and they realized

traditional approach and they realized

traditional approach and they realized that the employee engagement went up 25

that the employee engagement went up 25

that the employee engagement went up 25 percent and very recently also Swiss

percent and very recently also Swiss

percent and very recently also Swiss insurance company announced that they

insurance company announced that they

insurance company announced that they want to change the way and approach of

want to change the way and approach of

want to change the way and approach of pay and performance management system

pay and performance management system

pay and performance management system but how do we deal now with this money

but how do we deal now with this money

but how do we deal now with this money side so myth number one is you can

side so myth number one is you can

side so myth number one is you can measure everything myth number two you

measure everything myth number two you

measure everything myth number two you can raid it establishes score and the

can raid it establishes score and the

can raid it establishes score and the myth number three is actually that then

myth number three is actually that then

myth number three is actually that then it even becomes better with money so

it even becomes better with money so

it even becomes better with money so this idea makes the situation even worse

this idea makes the situation even worse

this idea makes the situation even worse now the family father not only has a 4.0

now the family father not only has a 4.0

now the family father not only has a 4.0 but he also carries less money

but he also carries less money

but he also carries less money home so how do we deal with that what’s

home so how do we deal with that what’s

home so how do we deal with that what’s the solution some people say that well

the solution some people say that well

the solution some people say that well let’s abolish bonus payments right let’s

let’s abolish bonus payments right let’s

let’s abolish bonus payments right let’s abolish bonus payment and establish

abolish bonus payment and establish

abolish bonus payment and establish fixed pay scheme and they say fix pay

fixed pay scheme and they say fix pay

fixed pay scheme and they say fix pay adjusted on a year by year basis

adjusted on a year by year basis

adjusted on a year by year basis adjusted upwards or downwards let’s

adjusted upwards or downwards let’s

adjusted upwards or downwards let’s think about this because the key problem

think about this because the key problem

think about this because the key problem is on what grounds do you just fix pay

is on what grounds do you just fix pay

is on what grounds do you just fix pay right what is it exactly criteria wise

right what is it exactly criteria wise

right what is it exactly criteria wise that you use to adjust it and secondly

that you use to adjust it and secondly

that you use to adjust it and secondly have you ever seen a lot of fixed pay

have you ever seen a lot of fixed pay

have you ever seen a lot of fixed pay going downwards on a year-by-year basis

going downwards on a year-by-year basis

going downwards on a year-by-year basis well I didn’t

well I didn’t

well I didn’t so in general fixed pay regimes actually

so in general fixed pay regimes actually

so in general fixed pay regimes actually burdened the situation of the firm they

burdened the situation of the firm they

burdened the situation of the firm they make the cost structure more risky and

make the cost structure more risky and

make the cost structure more risky and it’s not a real solution

it’s not a real solution

it’s not a real solution what I propose as a solution is that you

what I propose as a solution is that you

what I propose as a solution is that you separate leadership from pain separating

separate leadership from pain separating

separate leadership from pain separating leadership from pain means that you keep

leadership from pain means that you keep

leadership from pain means that you keep the feedback development side and

the feedback development side and

the feedback development side and hopefully without an overall score yes

hopefully without an overall score yes

hopefully without an overall score yes people want to be led want to have goals

people want to be led want to have goals

people want to be led want to have goals they want to follow through on something

they want to follow through on something

they want to follow through on something and a target but you needed to separate

and a target but you needed to separate

and a target but you needed to separate it from the pay question in order to do

it from the pay question in order to do

it from the pay question in order to do that you need a mindset shift a mindset

that you need a mindset shift a mindset

that you need a mindset shift a mindset shift going from bonus plan to success

shift going from bonus plan to success

shift going from bonus plan to success sharing let me talk about success

sharing let me talk about success

sharing let me talk about success sharing a little bit success sharing

sharing a little bit success sharing

sharing a little bit success sharing does not mean that everybody gets the

does not mean that everybody gets the

does not mean that everybody gets the same now that would not be the purpose

same now that would not be the purpose

same now that would not be the purpose success sharing means that you need to

success sharing means that you need to

success sharing means that you need to carefully think about where you measure

carefully think about where you measure

carefully think about where you measure how you measure and who gets how much of

how you measure and who gets how much of

how you measure and who gets how much of the success so where you measure success

the success so where you measure success

the success so where you measure success right for smaller firms and mid-sized

right for smaller firms and mid-sized

right for smaller firms and mid-sized firms it’s actually possible to do it on

firms it’s actually possible to do it on

firms it’s actually possible to do it on a total firm level but when it comes to

a total firm level but when it comes to

a total firm level but when it comes to different business models or when it

different business models or when it

different business models or when it comes to larger firms right you need to

comes to larger firms right you need to

comes to larger firms right you need to carefully consider where you measure

carefully consider where you measure

carefully consider where you measure success is it is it a country a

success is it is it a country a

success is it is it a country a department the division is it on team

department the division is it on team

department the division is it on team level but never on the individual level

level but never on the individual level

level but never on the individual level how you measure success is actually a

how you measure success is actually a

how you measure success is actually a very critical question for the future of

very critical question for the future of

very critical question for the future of a firm I carefully use the word success

a firm I carefully use the word success

a firm I carefully use the word success and not profit because often companies

and not profit because often companies

and not profit because often companies go out and do some profit sharing

go out and do some profit sharing

go out and do some profit sharing whatever plans but you know the profit

whatever plans but you know the profit

whatever plans but you know the profit in itself is a very cold number coming

in itself is a very cold number coming

in itself is a very cold number coming from the balance sheet in order to make

from the balance sheet in order to make

from the balance sheet in order to make the profit as

the profit as

the profit as success you need to ask a specific

success you need to ask a specific

success you need to ask a specific question namely what’s the quality of

question namely what’s the quality of

question namely what’s the quality of the profit how do our customers doing

the profit how do our customers doing

the profit how do our customers doing how sustainable are we really how future

how sustainable are we really how future

how sustainable are we really how future oriented is our development and research

oriented is our development and research

oriented is our development and research program etc etc which actually are

program etc etc which actually are

program etc etc which actually are important in order to make it a success

important in order to make it a success

important in order to make it a success and then you need to ask the question

and then you need to ask the question

and then you need to ask the question who gets how much from this success

who gets how much from this success

who gets how much from this success right and here if a broad range of

right and here if a broad range of

right and here if a broad range of possibilities you can take somebody’s

possibilities you can take somebody’s

possibilities you can take somebody’s role function functional levels you know

role function functional levels you know

role function functional levels you know titles base salaries whatever there is

titles base salaries whatever there is

titles base salaries whatever there is but never go back to the individual

but never go back to the individual

but never go back to the individual performance of the last year what does

performance of the last year what does

performance of the last year what does it do really when you change from bonus

it do really when you change from bonus

it do really when you change from bonus scheme to success sharing first of all a

scheme to success sharing first of all a

scheme to success sharing first of all a culture of trust is established a more

culture of trust is established a more

culture of trust is established a more honest feedback will be given upward and

honest feedback will be given upward and

honest feedback will be given upward and downward suddenly the managers and the

downward suddenly the managers and the

downward suddenly the managers and the bosses are able to give true feedback to

bosses are able to give true feedback to

bosses are able to give true feedback to say okay here’s where you need to grow

say okay here’s where you need to grow

say okay here’s where you need to grow this is where you need to improve and

this is where you need to improve and

this is where you need to improve and also the employee has more courage to

also the employee has more courage to

also the employee has more courage to say you know I would like to do this and

say you know I would like to do this and

say you know I would like to do this and that you know and bring it in and with

that you know and bring it in and with

that you know and bring it in and with that that’s the most important aspect

that that’s the most important aspect

that that’s the most important aspect which is super important for these days

which is super important for these days

which is super important for these days is you make the culture a trustful

is you make the culture a trustful

is you make the culture a trustful culture but you make the culture more

culture but you make the culture more

culture but you make the culture more agile culture suddenly for the employees

agile culture suddenly for the employees

agile culture suddenly for the employees it’s worthwhile do a go beyond that task

it’s worthwhile do a go beyond that task

it’s worthwhile do a go beyond that task list right to go beyond their individual

list right to go beyond their individual

list right to go beyond their individual goals of a specific year because now

goals of a specific year because now

goals of a specific year because now those goals are not burdened with a

those goals are not burdened with a

those goals are not burdened with a score or some money let’s also think

score or some money let’s also think

score or some money let’s also think about some practical aspects of our

about some practical aspects of our

about some practical aspects of our success sharing you know companies

success sharing you know companies

success sharing you know companies moving in this direction they’re they’re

moving in this direction they’re they’re

moving in this direction they’re they’re actually some too typical reactions to

actually some too typical reactions to

actually some too typical reactions to that you know managers ask the question

that you know managers ask the question

that you know managers ask the question how do we deal with freeriders you know

how do we deal with freeriders you know

how do we deal with freeriders you know freeriders are the ones who work less

freeriders are the ones who work less

freeriders are the ones who work less and get the same type of thing right and

and get the same type of thing right and

and get the same type of thing right and the answer is well it’s a leadership

the answer is well it’s a leadership

the answer is well it’s a leadership problem right you cannot delegate

problem right you cannot delegate

problem right you cannot delegate leadership into bonus plan to pinpoint

leadership into bonus plan to pinpoint

leadership into bonus plan to pinpoint and isolate and identify three writers

and isolate and identify three writers

and isolate and identify three writers and very honestly when I talk to

and very honestly when I talk to

and very honestly when I talk to leadership people and managers they know

leadership people and managers they know

leadership people and managers they know exactly where the good and the bad

exactly where the good and the bad

exactly where the good and the bad people are within the team they know

people are within the team they know

people are within the team they know they don’t need a lot of forms and

they don’t need a lot of forms and

they don’t need a lot of forms and performance management order to identify

performance management order to identify

performance management order to identify freeriders

freeriders

freeriders what do we do with our performance well

what do we do with our performance well

what do we do with our performance well that’s a tricky question right you

that’s a tricky question right you

that’s a tricky question right you identify those and you realize that you

identify those and you realize that you

identify those and you realize that you know you need to do something in order

know you need to do something in order

know you need to do something in order for them to stay what can you do I mean

for them to stay what can you do I mean

for them to stay what can you do I mean a normal reaction is that well let’s

a normal reaction is that well let’s

a normal reaction is that well let’s let’s pay some special bonuses let’s

let’s pay some special bonuses let’s

let’s pay some special bonuses let’s open the money box all right but if you

open the money box all right but if you

open the money box all right but if you do that what happens is in six months or

do that what happens is in six months or

do that what happens is in six months or 12 months time you can be sure that

12 months time you can be sure that

12 months time you can be sure that somebody else is coming back to you and

somebody else is coming back to you and

somebody else is coming back to you and say what do I need to do in order to get

say what do I need to do in order to get

say what do I need to do in order to get the money box so then you defeat the

the money box so then you defeat the

the money box so then you defeat the purpose again

purpose again

purpose again so either you know dealing with our

so either you know dealing with our

so either you know dealing with our performance means that you need

performance means that you need

performance means that you need different ways promotions other ways on

different ways promotions other ways on

different ways promotions other ways on the leadership side to make people happy

the leadership side to make people happy

the leadership side to make people happy and stay within the firm then let’s

and stay within the firm then let’s

and stay within the firm then let’s think about what employees can do if you

think about what employees can do if you

think about what employees can do if you interview for a new job you know when

interview for a new job you know when

interview for a new job you know when you go through in twos or you want to

you go through in twos or you want to

you go through in twos or you want to test a new company often in interviews

test a new company often in interviews

test a new company often in interviews you ask the question you know how is

you ask the question you know how is

you ask the question you know how is your culture and the typical answer

your culture and the typical answer

your culture and the typical answer firms is we are very collaborative

firms is we are very collaborative

firms is we are very collaborative culture we have a we have a trust

culture we have a we have a trust

culture we have a we have a trust culture we have a teamwork everybody

culture we have a teamwork everybody

culture we have a teamwork everybody counts you need to think in our firm you

counts you need to think in our firm you

counts you need to think in our firm you know we appreciate your feedback your

know we appreciate your feedback your

know we appreciate your feedback your creativity those are things that are

creativity those are things that are

creativity those are things that are said but is that really true what can

said but is that really true what can

said but is that really true what can you do as an employee when you interview

you do as an employee when you interview

you do as an employee when you interview for new job I usually recommend

for new job I usually recommend

for new job I usually recommend something silly which means follow the

something silly which means follow the

something silly which means follow the money following the money has to ask a

money following the money has to ask a

money following the money has to ask a question like you know when do I earn

question like you know when do I earn

question like you know when do I earn more when do I earn less and when you

more when do I earn less and when you

more when do I earn less and when you then listen carefully to what you know

then listen carefully to what you know

then listen carefully to what you know this company explains to you you hear

this company explains to you you hear

this company explains to you you hear very good whether there is a scoring

very good whether there is a scoring

very good whether there is a scoring what kind of system is behind it and

what kind of system is behind it and

what kind of system is behind it and suddenly you realize perhaps what kind

suddenly you realize perhaps what kind

suddenly you realize perhaps what kind of culture it is so you can make a

of culture it is so you can make a

of culture it is so you can make a conscious a more evident decision about

conscious a more evident decision about

conscious a more evident decision about which company want to join what kind of

which company want to join what kind of

which company want to join what kind of culture you want to join when you think

culture you want to join when you think

culture you want to join when you think about these days and you think about the

about these days and you think about the

about these days and you think about the importance of people in every firm all

importance of people in every firm all

importance of people in every firm all the days but especially in these days

the days but especially in these days

the days but especially in these days when it comes to dynamic dynamics of

when it comes to dynamic dynamics of

when it comes to dynamic dynamics of this world and the requirement of having

this world and the requirement of having

this world and the requirement of having a very agile organization agile people

a very agile organization agile people

a very agile organization agile people having the courage to speak up having a

having the courage to speak up having a

having the courage to speak up having a culture of cooperation a culture of

culture of cooperation a culture of

culture of cooperation a culture of trust

trust

trust this is a very important aspect how you

this is a very important aspect how you

this is a very important aspect how you pay people because the culture in itself

pay people because the culture in itself

pay people because the culture in itself is the key to make a company successful

is the key to make a company successful

is the key to make a company successful in the future or as mr. Peter Drucker

in the future or as mr. Peter Drucker

in the future or as mr. Peter Drucker put it once culture eats strategy for

put it once culture eats strategy for

put it once culture eats strategy for breakfast and you may add at this point

breakfast and you may add at this point

breakfast and you may add at this point ill-designed incentives eat culture for

ill-designed incentives eat culture for

ill-designed incentives eat culture for lunch thank you very much

lunch thank you very much

lunch thank you very much [Applause]

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