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Seeing Is Believing or Is Believing Seeing | Ellyn Kaschak ’65 | TEDxBinghamtonUniversity


how do we know what we know it sounds

how do we know what we know it sounds like a very simple question but it’s the

like a very simple question but it’s the

like a very simple question but it’s the question of epistemology and philosophy

question of epistemology and philosophy

question of epistemology and philosophy of science it’s a question that can take

of science it’s a question that can take

of science it’s a question that can take you deeper and deeper in your studies

you deeper and deeper in your studies

you deeper and deeper in your studies and it’s a question that’s accompanying

and it’s a question that’s accompanying

and it’s a question that’s accompanying me in my studies of gender race and

me in my studies of gender race and

me in my studies of gender race and ethnicity all these years so I’m going

ethnicity all these years so I’m going

ethnicity all these years so I’m going to take you through some of how do you

to take you through some of how do you

to take you through some of how do you know how do we know what we know much of

know how do we know what we know much of

know how do we know what we know much of my work has been about what’s called the

my work has been about what’s called the

my work has been about what’s called the masculine gaze which I prefer to call

masculine gaze which I prefer to call

masculine gaze which I prefer to call the indeterminate cultural gaze so it

the indeterminate cultural gaze so it

the indeterminate cultural gaze so it doesn’t appear that it’s connected to

doesn’t appear that it’s connected to

doesn’t appear that it’s connected to individual men but to the masculinity of

individual men but to the masculinity of

individual men but to the masculinity of the societies that we live in and a lot

the societies that we live in and a lot

the societies that we live in and a lot of the work that I’ve done it has come

of the work that I’ve done it has come

of the work that I’ve done it has come down to the issue of vision so I got an

down to the issue of vision so I got an

down to the issue of vision so I got an idea that I thought was going to be once

idea that I thought was going to be once

idea that I thought was going to be once and for all we’re going to see if gender

and for all we’re going to see if gender

and for all we’re going to see if gender and race are social issues or biological

and race are social issues or biological

and race are social issues or biological issues and what I decided to do was to

issues and what I decided to do was to

issues and what I decided to do was to do a research study with people who have

do a research study with people who have

do a research study with people who have been blind since birth

been blind since birth

been blind since birth having VIN blind since birth they

having VIN blind since birth they

having VIN blind since birth they haven’t seen any of the cues that those

haven’t seen any of the cues that those

haven’t seen any of the cues that those of us who are sighted used to think

of us who are sighted used to think

of us who are sighted used to think about gender and to think about race and

about gender and to think about race and

about gender and to think about race and you’re going to see how the question

you’re going to see how the question

you’re going to see how the question gets more and more complex as we get

gets more and more complex as we get

gets more and more complex as we get deeper and deeper and the gender I was

deeper and deeper and the gender I was

deeper and deeper and the gender I was one of the people that invented the word

one of the people that invented the word

one of the people that invented the word gender to distinguish the social roles

gender to distinguish the social roles

gender to distinguish the social roles from the biological role and we redid

from the biological role and we redid

from the biological role and we redid that as we just borrowed it from the

that as we just borrowed it from the

that as we just borrowed it from the Romance languages that’s why we talk

Romance languages that’s why we talk

Romance languages that’s why we talk about gender today but we talk about

about gender today but we talk about

about gender today but we talk about gender in a very different way than

gender in a very different way than

gender in a very different way than we’ve spoken about it over the years it

we’ve spoken about it over the years it

we’ve spoken about it over the years it has really morphed and changed and

has really morphed and changed and

has really morphed and changed and become very complex and so I decided to

become very complex and so I decided to

become very complex and so I decided to do this study with black people and I

do this study with black people and I

do this study with black people and I thought maybe I’ll take about six months

thought maybe I’ll take about six months

thought maybe I’ll take about six months to do it it wound up taking me 10 years

to do it it wound up taking me 10 years

to do it it wound up taking me 10 years to really um

to really um

to really um stand as much as I can as a sighted

stand as much as I can as a sighted

stand as much as I can as a sighted person what it is to be blind in a

person what it is to be blind in a

person what it is to be blind in a sighted world and the only sighted

sighted world and the only sighted

sighted world and the only sighted person in the study is me so you’re

person in the study is me so you’re

person in the study is me so you’re going to have to decide whether you

going to have to decide whether you

going to have to decide whether you trust my eyes or not and I’m going to

trust my eyes or not and I’m going to

trust my eyes or not and I’m going to ask you to hitch a ride on my eyes with

ask you to hitch a ride on my eyes with

ask you to hitch a ride on my eyes with me yes I’m going to tell you some of the

me yes I’m going to tell you some of the

me yes I’m going to tell you some of the stories from my most recent book which

stories from my most recent book which

stories from my most recent book which is sight and unseen gender and race

is sight and unseen gender and race

is sight and unseen gender and race through blind eyes and I’m going to do

through blind eyes and I’m going to do

through blind eyes and I’m going to do that by taking you along with me and

that by taking you along with me and

that by taking you along with me and what the question that I’m going to ask

what the question that I’m going to ask

what the question that I’m going to ask is is seeing believing or is believing

is is seeing believing or is believing

is is seeing believing or is believing see modern visual life has changed a lot

see modern visual life has changed a lot

see modern visual life has changed a lot so the definition of vision is a

so the definition of vision is a

so the definition of vision is a different one also and I’m interested in

different one also and I’m interested in

different one also and I’m interested in what vision is becoming as we look at

what vision is becoming as we look at

what vision is becoming as we look at each other on screens rather than

each other on screens rather than

each other on screens rather than looking at each other in person lips

skip one I live in Costa Rica and the

skip one I live in Costa Rica and the first time that I went there many

first time that I went there many

first time that I went there many decades ago my friends were very excited

decades ago my friends were very excited

decades ago my friends were very excited to show me all the beautiful ecological

to show me all the beautiful ecological

to show me all the beautiful ecological sites which there are there are

sites which there are there are

sites which there are there are rainforests and there are jungles and

rainforests and there are jungles and

rainforests and there are jungles and volcanoes and so forth in Costa Rica

volcanoes and so forth in Costa Rica

volcanoes and so forth in Costa Rica they took me to a jungle and it’s a

they took me to a jungle and it’s a

they took me to a jungle and it’s a jungle that’s famous for having

jungle that’s famous for having

jungle that’s famous for having thousands and thousands of monkeys and

thousands and thousands of monkeys and

thousands and thousands of monkeys and they wanted me to see the monkeys now

they wanted me to see the monkeys now

they wanted me to see the monkeys now here’s a picture of the jungle that

here’s a picture of the jungle that

here’s a picture of the jungle that you’re looking at I couldn’t see the

you’re looking at I couldn’t see the

you’re looking at I couldn’t see the monkeys I’m a New Yorker I can see a mug

monkeys I’m a New Yorker I can see a mug

monkeys I’m a New Yorker I can see a mug or two blocks in back of me that the

or two blocks in back of me that the

or two blocks in back of me that the eyes that I have in the back of my head

eyes that I have in the back of my head

eyes that I have in the back of my head I can get a taxi to box in front I could

I can get a taxi to box in front I could

I can get a taxi to box in front I could not see the face of a monkey finally

not see the face of a monkey finally

not see the face of a monkey finally after about the third day they were so

after about the third day they were so

after about the third day they were so frustrated that one of my friends took

frustrated that one of my friends took

frustrated that one of my friends took me out she went like this see this

me out she went like this see this

me out she went like this see this flower now go a little bit to the left

flower now go a little bit to the left

flower now go a little bit to the left and you see a black dot go a little bit

and you see a black dot go a little bit

and you see a black dot go a little bit further to the left and you see another

further to the left and you see another

further to the left and you see another black dot and they see that oh I think

black dot and they see that oh I think

black dot and they see that oh I think that’s a monkey’s face

that’s a monkey’s face

that’s a monkey’s face I saw a monkey and once I saw them I

I saw a monkey and once I saw them I

I saw a monkey and once I saw them I couldn’t unsee them they were everyplace

couldn’t unsee them they were everyplace

couldn’t unsee them they were everyplace because I hadn’t been taught to see

because I hadn’t been taught to see

because I hadn’t been taught to see monkeys as a child and one of the things

monkeys as a child and one of the things

monkeys as a child and one of the things that I’m going to say to you is that

that I’m going to say to you is that

that I’m going to say to you is that vision is a language and you learn it

vision is a language and you learn it

vision is a language and you learn it before you learn to speak and you learn

before you learn to speak and you learn

before you learn to speak and you learn built-in with it all kinds of other

built-in with it all kinds of other

built-in with it all kinds of other things other than what you see I can’t

things other than what you see I can’t

things other than what you see I can’t see you very well but how many of you

see you very well but how many of you

see you very well but how many of you can see any of the monkeys in there and

can see any of the monkeys in there and

can see any of the monkeys in there and this is a trick question there are no

this is a trick question there are no

this is a trick question there are no monkeys in this picture the reason I did

monkeys in this picture the reason I did

monkeys in this picture the reason I did it is because I’m very competitive I

it is because I’m very competitive I

it is because I’m very competitive I didn’t want anybody to see monkeys if I

didn’t want anybody to see monkeys if I

didn’t want anybody to see monkeys if I couldn’t see it so those are the eyes

couldn’t see it so those are the eyes

couldn’t see it so those are the eyes that you’re hitching a ride on and I

that you’re hitching a ride on and I

that you’re hitching a ride on and I want to talk to you about how I enter

want to talk to you about how I enter

want to talk to you about how I enter the blind world and what I found out in

the blind world and what I found out in

the blind world and what I found out in the blind world now I decided to do it

the blind world now I decided to do it

the blind world now I decided to do it naively so I didn’t read a lot about – I

naively so I didn’t read a lot about – I

naively so I didn’t read a lot about – I didn’t approach it as a disability I

didn’t approach it as a disability I

didn’t approach it as a disability I approached it as a difference and I’m

approached it as a difference and I’m

approached it as a difference and I’m using the word blind because my blind

using the word blind because my blind

using the word blind because my blind friends asked me to use regular language

friends asked me to use regular language

friends asked me to use regular language that it’s very important to them not to

that it’s very important to them not to

that it’s very important to them not to be known as individuals with visual

be known as individuals with visual

be known as individuals with visual impairment but just to talk regular so

impairment but just to talk regular so

impairment but just to talk regular so for those of you or who are thinking

for those of you or who are thinking

for those of you or who are thinking about that I’m going to call it the

about that I’m going to call it the

about that I’m going to call it the blind world I entered the blind world

blind world I entered the blind world

blind world I entered the blind world and I was hopeful that I was gonna I

and I was hopeful that I was gonna I

and I was hopeful that I was gonna I wasn’t as utopian as I can be but I was

wasn’t as utopian as I can be but I was

wasn’t as utopian as I can be but I was hopeful that I was going to find a

hopeful that I was going to find a

hopeful that I was going to find a different organizing system that I

different organizing system that I

different organizing system that I wasn’t going to find gender and race I

wasn’t going to find gender and race I

wasn’t going to find gender and race I wasn’t naive enough to think that I

wasn’t naive enough to think that I

wasn’t naive enough to think that I wasn’t going to find any kind of

wasn’t going to find any kind of

wasn’t going to find any kind of discrimination among people but I

discrimination among people but I

discrimination among people but I thought it would be something tactile or

thought it would be something tactile or

thought it would be something tactile or kinesthetic or something different from

kinesthetic or something different from

kinesthetic or something different from what the sighted people have invented so

what the sighted people have invented so

what the sighted people have invented so here I go into the blind world after

here I go into the blind world after

here I go into the blind world after about two years of knowing people they

about two years of knowing people they

about two years of knowing people they began to invite me to come to their

began to invite me to come to their

began to invite me to come to their homes it took that long before they were

homes it took that long before they were

homes it took that long before they were comfortable having me come to their

comfortable having me come to their

comfortable having me come to their homes and this is one of the first

homes and this is one of the first

homes and this is one of the first places that I went to this is in one of

places that I went to this is in one of

places that I went to this is in one of the hottest climates

the hottest climates

the hottest climates in California and this woman told me

in California and this woman told me

in California and this woman told me that she said to me I have a very lush

that she said to me I have a very lush

that she said to me I have a very lush backyard it’s just beautiful we’re going

backyard it’s just beautiful we’re going

backyard it’s just beautiful we’re going to sit in the backyard and we’re going

to sit in the backyard and we’re going

to sit in the backyard and we’re going to have lemonade and we’re going to talk

to have lemonade and we’re going to talk

to have lemonade and we’re going to talk and that’s going to be our day I pulled

and that’s going to be our day I pulled

and that’s going to be our day I pulled up and this is what I saw I thought I

up and this is what I saw I thought I

up and this is what I saw I thought I was in the wrong place but I when I

was in the wrong place but I when I

was in the wrong place but I when I found out it was in the right place I

found out it was in the right place I

found out it was in the right place I still felt hopeful because I felt like

still felt hopeful because I felt like

still felt hopeful because I felt like maybe we do have parallel experiences

maybe we do have parallel experiences

maybe we do have parallel experiences and she’s spending the day in a lush

and she’s spending the day in a lush

and she’s spending the day in a lush backyard and I’m spending the day in a

backyard and I’m spending the day in a

backyard and I’m spending the day in a sad life either that or you know the

sad life either that or you know the

sad life either that or you know the alternative hypothesis was she has no

alternative hypothesis was she has no

alternative hypothesis was she has no idea what her backyard looks like and I

idea what her backyard looks like and I

idea what her backyard looks like and I wasn’t ready to go that for the next

wasn’t ready to go that for the next

wasn’t ready to go that for the next thing that surprised me was the

thing that surprised me was the

thing that surprised me was the interiors of the places where people

interiors of the places where people

interiors of the places where people lived and it surprised me because it

lived and it surprised me because it

lived and it surprised me because it looked just like every apartment I had

looked just like every apartment I had

looked just like every apartment I had ever seen and I thought I was going to

ever seen and I thought I was going to

ever seen and I thought I was going to see the blind world and what I saw what

see the blind world and what I saw what

see the blind world and what I saw what I saw was a world that was designed for

I saw was a world that was designed for

I saw was a world that was designed for sighted people so I knew these people

sighted people so I knew these people

sighted people so I knew these people well enough by then that I could say why

well enough by then that I could say why

well enough by then that I could say why do you have pictures on the wall you

do you have pictures on the wall you

do you have pictures on the wall you don’t know what they are the firt why or

don’t know what they are the firt why or

don’t know what they are the firt why or the colors coordinated and so on and

the colors coordinated and so on and

the colors coordinated and so on and each and every one of them said to me

each and every one of them said to me

each and every one of them said to me that a sighted person did it for them

that a sighted person did it for them

that a sighted person did it for them and they did it so that a sighted person

and they did it so that a sighted person

and they did it so that a sighted person would be comfortable in there so now I

would be comfortable in there so now I

would be comfortable in there so now I started to get worried

because now I started to think that what

because now I started to think that what they’re doing is trying to fit into our

they’re doing is trying to fit into our

they’re doing is trying to fit into our system rather than have their own so I

system rather than have their own so I

system rather than have their own so I began to ask questions about gender I

began to ask questions about gender I

began to ask questions about gender I found out some very interesting things

found out some very interesting things

found out some very interesting things about gender and I’ll tell you just a

about gender and I’ll tell you just a

about gender and I’ll tell you just a few of them that I have time for today

few of them that I have time for today

few of them that I have time for today one of the things that I found most

one of the things that I found most

one of the things that I found most interesting is more and more blind women

interesting is more and more blind women

interesting is more and more blind women are using eye makeup and how they do

are using eye makeup and how they do

are using eye makeup and how they do that is they have a sighted friend put

that is they have a sighted friend put

that is they have a sighted friend put it on for them how they do clothing is

it on for them how they do clothing is

it on for them how they do clothing is that the women have Braille tags that

that the women have Braille tags that

that the women have Braille tags that make the clothes match and the men

make the clothes match and the men

make the clothes match and the men mostly were just I just

mostly were just I just

mostly were just I just everything in brown so I know everything

everything in brown so I know everything

everything in brown so I know everything matches with everything and Jesse he was

matches with everything and Jesse he was

matches with everything and Jesse he was one of the first characters in my book

one of the first characters in my book

one of the first characters in my book did in fact wear brown pants and brown

did in fact wear brown pants and brown

did in fact wear brown pants and brown plaid shirts for the whole time that I

plaid shirts for the whole time that I

plaid shirts for the whole time that I knew him so I was beginning to see more

knew him so I was beginning to see more

knew him so I was beginning to see more and more how the people that were not

and more how the people that were not

and more how the people that were not sighted were trying to cater to people

sighted were trying to cater to people

sighted were trying to cater to people who were sighted rather than developing

who were sighted rather than developing

who were sighted rather than developing their own universe one of my blind

their own universe one of my blind

their own universe one of my blind friends was a lesbian and she asked her

friends was a lesbian and she asked her

friends was a lesbian and she asked her friends how she can look like a lesbian

friends how she can look like a lesbian

friends how she can look like a lesbian so that if she’s walking down the street

so that if she’s walking down the street

so that if she’s walking down the street other lesbians will see her she wanted a

other lesbians will see her she wanted a

other lesbians will see her she wanted a relationship they told her to cut her

relationship they told her to cut her

relationship they told her to cut her hair short now what I started to realize

hair short now what I started to realize

hair short now what I started to realize at that point I’ll say one other thing

at that point I’ll say one other thing

at that point I’ll say one other thing before I say that is another one had a

before I say that is another one had a

before I say that is another one had a friend who had Trent just transitioned

friend who had Trent just transitioned

friend who had Trent just transitioned from male to female and she said to me

from male to female and she said to me

from male to female and she said to me he seems like exactly the same person

he seems like exactly the same person

he seems like exactly the same person because it’s the same voice that I

because it’s the same voice that I

because it’s the same voice that I really had to think about for a lot for

really had to think about for a lot for

really had to think about for a lot for a long time how visual the things that

a long time how visual the things that

a long time how visual the things that we do in gender and gender transition

we do in gender and gender transition

we do in gender and gender transition are how we’re signalling to each other

are how we’re signalling to each other

are how we’re signalling to each other and performing to each other visually

and performing to each other visually

and performing to each other visually that effort that were somebody different

and so I was beginning to see more and

and so I was beginning to see more and more and more deeply into what I wanted

more and more deeply into what I wanted

more and more deeply into what I wanted to see about vision and more deeply into

to see about vision and more deeply into

to see about vision and more deeply into what I wanted to learn about gender

what I wanted to learn about gender

what I wanted to learn about gender these are my students in Costa Rica and

these are my students in Costa Rica and

these are my students in Costa Rica and they’re all sighted and I asked them to

they’re all sighted and I asked them to

they’re all sighted and I asked them to do a day where they dressed as masculine

do a day where they dressed as masculine

do a day where they dressed as masculine Lea’s Pam behaved as masculine Lea as

Lea’s Pam behaved as masculine Lea as

Lea’s Pam behaved as masculine Lea as possible and you know they were all this

possible and you know they were all this

possible and you know they were all this kind of thing and these are exactly the

kind of thing and these are exactly the

kind of thing and these are exactly the same students the next day doing all

same students the next day doing all

same students the next day doing all this kind of thing so they were able to

this kind of thing so they were able to

this kind of thing so they were able to decode what the visual code is they knew

decode what the visual code is they knew

decode what the visual code is they knew enough about and their gender students

enough about and their gender students

enough about and their gender students too and their I didn’t want to ask the

too and their I didn’t want to ask the

too and their I didn’t want to ask the blind students to divine the people to

blind students to divine the people to

blind students to divine the people to do this

do this

do this but I did ask my students to do this and

but I did ask my students to do this and

but I did ask my students to do this and this is what they came up with those two

this is what they came up with those two

this is what they came up with those two pictures are the same person I’ll go

pictures are the same person I’ll go

pictures are the same person I’ll go back for a second and that shows how

back for a second and that shows how

back for a second and that shows how much how a visual and how much you can

much how a visual and how much you can

much how a visual and how much you can make the appearance of gender just with

make the appearance of gender just with

make the appearance of gender just with makeup and sew and clothing and so on

makeup and sew and clothing and so on

makeup and sew and clothing and so on now I’d like to talk to some to you some

now I’d like to talk to some to you some

now I’d like to talk to some to you some about race or what I like to call

about race or what I like to call

about race or what I like to call racialization and a lot of people that

racialization and a lot of people that

racialization and a lot of people that work in the field called it call it

work in the field called it call it

work in the field called it call it racialization because it’s been

racialization because it’s been

racialization because it’s been developed by society just as well I’m

developed by society just as well I’m

developed by society just as well I’m going to try to prove that to you I

going to try to prove that to you I

going to try to prove that to you I teach a course in gender and race ins or

teach a course in gender and race ins or

teach a course in gender and race ins or gender and ethnicity and sometimes when

gender and ethnicity and sometimes when

gender and ethnicity and sometimes when the combination is right which it was

the combination is right which it was

the combination is right which it was this year that I’m going to talk about I

this year that I’m going to talk about I

this year that I’m going to talk about I had a Greek man and a Mexican man in the

had a Greek man and a Mexican man in the

had a Greek man and a Mexican man in the class and somewhere in the middle of the

class and somewhere in the middle of the

class and somewhere in the middle of the class I asked them to put their hands in

class I asked them to put their hands in

class I asked them to put their hands in arms in the middle the skin of the Greek

arms in the middle the skin of the Greek

arms in the middle the skin of the Greek man was darker than the skin of the

man was darker than the skin of the

man was darker than the skin of the Mexican man but the Mexican man is a man

Mexican man but the Mexican man is a man

Mexican man but the Mexican man is a man of color and the Greek is a white man

of color and the Greek is a white man

of color and the Greek is a white man and that tells you something very

and that tells you something very

and that tells you something very profound about our racial system some of

profound about our racial system some of

profound about our racial system some of you may recognize this this is Levittown

you may recognize this this is Levittown

you may recognize this this is Levittown on Long Island I thought I’d use the

on Long Island I thought I’d use the

on Long Island I thought I’d use the actual slide system in New York and this

actual slide system in New York and this

actual slide system in New York and this is when they were first building it this

is when they were first building it this

is when they were first building it this is after World War 2 they first decided

is after World War 2 they first decided

is after World War 2 they first decided to build Levittown and we’re

to build Levittown and we’re

to build Levittown and we’re racialization comes from is your

racialization comes from is your

racialization comes from is your American government because they decided

American government because they decided

American government because they decided there were going to only let white

there were going to only let white

there were going to only let white people live on Long Island and how they

people live on Long Island and how they

people live on Long Island and how they did that is that it had to sit down and

did that is that it had to sit down and

did that is that it had to sit down and go through all the groups and they had

go through all the groups and they had

go through all the groups and they had to declare the Irish the Italians and

to declare the Irish the Italians and

to declare the Irish the Italians and the Jews to be white and we weren’t

the Jews to be white and we weren’t

the Jews to be white and we weren’t white before the 1950s which is a little

white before the 1950s which is a little

white before the 1950s which is a little bit disorienting for me because it means

bit disorienting for me because it means

bit disorienting for me because it means my childhood I was a person of color and

my childhood I was a person of color and

my childhood I was a person of color and now I’m a white person so you think that

now I’m a white person so you think that

now I’m a white person so you think that these things happen subtly and happened

these things happen subtly and happened

these things happen subtly and happened you know from the ground up and they

you know from the ground up and they

you know from the ground up and they happen from the government down you can

happen from the government down you can

happen from the government down you can read a lot about slavery and how

read a lot about slavery and how

read a lot about slavery and how racialization was introduced as a way of

racialization was introduced as a way of

racialization was introduced as a way of making Irish men feel better than black

making Irish men feel better than black

making Irish men feel better than black men a few a couple of more things about

men a few a couple of more things about

men a few a couple of more things about race I was disappointed to find that the

race I was disappointed to find that the

race I was disappointed to find that the blind people were trying as hard as they

blind people were trying as hard as they

blind people were trying as hard as they could to learn about race let me stay in

could to learn about race let me stay in

could to learn about race let me stay in live at town while I tell you the story

live at town while I tell you the story

live at town while I tell you the story the blind people were trying as hard as

the blind people were trying as hard as

the blind people were trying as hard as they could to learn about race and they

they could to learn about race and they

they could to learn about race and they were doing it the way some of us who

were doing it the way some of us who

were doing it the way some of us who were sighted do over the telephone they

were sighted do over the telephone they

were sighted do over the telephone they were listening to voices and they really

were listening to voices and they really

were listening to voices and they really wanted to know about race it because

wanted to know about race it because

wanted to know about race it because they really wanted what they said to me

they really wanted what they said to me

they really wanted what they said to me is that they wanted to be able to speak

is that they wanted to be able to speak

is that they wanted to be able to speak sighted language and they were learning

sighted language and they were learning

sighted language and they were learning to speak it but not fluidly so one of my

to speak it but not fluidly so one of my

to speak it but not fluidly so one of my blind experts complained to me that they

blind experts complained to me that they

blind experts complained to me that they lived in the south for a couple of years

lived in the south for a couple of years

lived in the south for a couple of years and when they were in the South white

and when they were in the South white

and when they were in the South white people in black people sound the same

people in black people sound the same

people in black people sound the same she couldn’t tell them apart so in

she couldn’t tell them apart so in

she couldn’t tell them apart so in essence what they were doing is trying

essence what they were doing is trying

essence what they were doing is trying just as hard as they could to develop

just as hard as they could to develop

just as hard as they could to develop the prejudice of the sighted in the

the prejudice of the sighted in the

the prejudice of the sighted in the service of this that last picture is

service of this that last picture is

service of this that last picture is just another picture of what vision has

just another picture of what vision has

just another picture of what vision has become this is my last visit to my

become this is my last visit to my

become this is my last visit to my family and they’re happy to see me and

family and they’re happy to see me and

family and they’re happy to see me and you can see their on devices which

you can see their on devices which

you can see their on devices which raises the epistemological issue what is

raises the epistemological issue what is

raises the epistemological issue what is seeing you so what I found about the

seeing you so what I found about the

seeing you so what I found about the blind experts is that they wanted to

blind experts is that they wanted to

blind experts is that they wanted to they were passing the way other groups

they were passing the way other groups

they were passing the way other groups have passed in the United States and

have passed in the United States and

have passed in the United States and first I thought of it as passing the way

first I thought of it as passing the way

first I thought of it as passing the way Jews did by changing their last names

Jews did by changing their last names

Jews did by changing their last names the way light-skinned blacks have done

the way light-skinned blacks have done

the way light-skinned blacks have done the way many gay people still and

the way many gay people still and

the way many gay people still and transgender people still do they were

transgender people still do they were

transgender people still do they were trying to fit in and they were trying to

trying to fit in and they were trying to

trying to fit in and they were trying to be speak the sighted language they

be speak the sighted language they

be speak the sighted language they called it a language and I decided they

called it a language and I decided they

called it a language and I decided they were right it is a language and they

were right it is a language and they

were right it is a language and they were trying to speak it and they weren’t

were trying to speak it and they weren’t

were trying to speak it and they weren’t speaking it fluently but they were

speaking it fluently but they were

speaking it fluently but they were speaking it so I learned quite a bit

speaking it so I learned quite a bit

speaking it so I learned quite a bit about blind people I learned I think

about blind people I learned I think

about blind people I learned I think that gender and racial ization

that gender and racial ization

that gender and racial ization are invented and I think that the blind

are invented and I think that the blind

are invented and I think that the blind taught me an enormous amount about

taught me an enormous amount about

taught me an enormous amount about sighted and how unconscious we are about

sighted and how unconscious we are about

sighted and how unconscious we are about what’s built into our vision because of

what’s built into our vision because of

what’s built into our vision because of how early we learn it and I think the

how early we learn it and I think the

how early we learn it and I think the blindness people on the planet are those

blindness people on the planet are those

blindness people on the planet are those who are sighted and what I think is that

who are sighted and what I think is that

who are sighted and what I think is that our eyes are colonized and we’re not

our eyes are colonized and we’re not

our eyes are colonized and we’re not aware of it

aware of it

aware of it we see what we already believe and so

we see what we already believe and so

we see what we already believe and so for those of you who are interested in

for those of you who are interested in

for those of you who are interested in resisting that colonization I have a few

resisting that colonization I have a few

resisting that colonization I have a few suggestions the first is what my field

suggestions the first is what my field

suggestions the first is what my field would call consciousness the second is

would call consciousness the second is

would call consciousness the second is what every field has borrowed as

what every field has borrowed as

what every field has borrowed as mindfulness which really means pay

mindfulness which really means pay

mindfulness which really means pay attention you don’t just look at things

attention you don’t just look at things

attention you don’t just look at things pay attention to how you’re seeing it

pay attention to how you’re seeing it

pay attention to how you’re seeing it and why you’re seeing it and the third

and why you’re seeing it and the third

and why you’re seeing it and the third way that I would think of it being

way that I would think of it being

way that I would think of it being called is as stay woke so I asked you to

called is as stay woke so I asked you to

called is as stay woke so I asked you to stay woke and most of all in my language

stay woke and most of all in my language

stay woke and most of all in my language I ask you to always keep looking for the

I ask you to always keep looking for the

I ask you to always keep looking for the monkeys thank

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