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today’s theme is reinvention and I think

today’s theme is reinvention and I think that we need to reinvent development why

that we need to reinvent development why

that we need to reinvent development why if I don’t think the process of

if I don’t think the process of

if I don’t think the process of development as it currently happens is

development as it currently happens is

development as it currently happens is working all that well and I’m not

working all that well and I’m not

working all that well and I’m not talking about downtown I’m talking about

talking about downtown I’m talking about

talking about downtown I’m talking about in the neighborhoods that surround the

in the neighborhoods that surround the

in the neighborhoods that surround the city I want you to imagine now that I’m

city I want you to imagine now that I’m

city I want you to imagine now that I’m walking on a tightrope over a dangerous

walking on a tightrope over a dangerous

walking on a tightrope over a dangerous gap between the past where everything is

gap between the past where everything is

gap between the past where everything is perfect and the future where nothing is

perfect and the future where nothing is

perfect and the future where nothing is certain you can see how nervous I am up

certain you can see how nervous I am up

certain you can see how nervous I am up there just by looking at it but as a

there just by looking at it but as a

there just by looking at it but as a neighborhood developer that’s how I feel

neighborhood developer that’s how I feel

neighborhood developer that’s how I feel a lot of the time people fondly remember

a lot of the time people fondly remember

a lot of the time people fondly remember the neighborhood as it was and they

the neighborhood as it was and they

the neighborhood as it was and they forget all its flaws but they

forget all its flaws but they

forget all its flaws but they automatically assume that any change

automatically assume that any change

automatically assume that any change that comes is gonna be for the worst

that comes is gonna be for the worst

that comes is gonna be for the worst academics and activists called a

academics and activists called a

academics and activists called a negative downside of Neighborhood

negative downside of Neighborhood

negative downside of Neighborhood Development gentrification and what they

Development gentrification and what they

Development gentrification and what they talk about in particular is a loss of

talk about in particular is a loss of

talk about in particular is a loss of character loss of affordable housing

character loss of affordable housing

character loss of affordable housing loss of commercial space and community

loss of commercial space and community

loss of commercial space and community conflict and there’s no doubt that all

conflict and there’s no doubt that all

conflict and there’s no doubt that all those things are potential negatives

those things are potential negatives

those things are potential negatives just to show you how badly we really do

just to show you how badly we really do

just to show you how badly we really do need to reinvent development I’ve got a

need to reinvent development I’ve got a

need to reinvent development I’ve got a little example we all know how this

little example we all know how this

little example we all know how this works right you type the beginning of

works right you type the beginning of

works right you type the beginning of your search phrase into Google and based

your search phrase into Google and based

your search phrase into Google and based on millions and millions of other

on millions and millions of other

on millions and millions of other searches Google fills in the rest of the

searches Google fills in the rest of the

searches Google fills in the rest of the phrase for you well guess what folks

phrase for you well guess what folks

phrase for you well guess what folks this is what people think of property

this is what people think of property

this is what people think of property developers property developers are scum

evil scum

evil scum obviously there are negative side

obviously there are negative side

obviously there are negative side effects of development sometimes the new

effects of development sometimes the new

effects of development sometimes the new doesn’t blend with the old people are

doesn’t blend with the old people are

doesn’t blend with the old people are displaced you can’t simultaneously smash

displaced you can’t simultaneously smash

displaced you can’t simultaneously smash down a building and live in it right but

down a building and live in it right but

down a building and live in it right but people also think that developers are in

people also think that developers are in

people also think that developers are in it for themselves that they’re trying to

it for themselves that they’re trying to

it for themselves that they’re trying to make a buck off people

make a buck off people

make a buck off people and they get in they build something out

and they get in they build something out

and they get in they build something out of character they create community

of character they create community

of character they create community conflict make a buck and they get out

conflict make a buck and they get out

conflict make a buck and they get out obviously and that tightrope I don’t

obviously and that tightrope I don’t

obviously and that tightrope I don’t want to tilt too far to the one side

want to tilt too far to the one side

want to tilt too far to the one side right but if I tilt too far to the other

right but if I tilt too far to the other

right but if I tilt too far to the other side there’s also a tremendous danger

side there’s also a tremendous danger

side there’s also a tremendous danger and that’s disinvestment first

and that’s disinvestment first

and that’s disinvestment first individual properties but then entire

individual properties but then entire

individual properties but then entire neighborhoods without the positive

neighborhoods without the positive

neighborhoods without the positive forces of redevelopment and change can

forces of redevelopment and change can

forces of redevelopment and change can fall into a downward spiral of

fall into a downward spiral of

fall into a downward spiral of disinvestment the visible signs of

disinvestment the visible signs of

disinvestment the visible signs of disinvestment are decay in disrepair

disinvestment are decay in disrepair

disinvestment are decay in disrepair lack of civic maintenance trash being

lack of civic maintenance trash being

lack of civic maintenance trash being left around territorial tagging people

left around territorial tagging people

left around territorial tagging people thinking that the curb is a great place

thinking that the curb is a great place

thinking that the curb is a great place to store old coaches and lawnmowers for

to store old coaches and lawnmowers for

to store old coaches and lawnmowers for instance evidence of drug use and other

instance evidence of drug use and other

instance evidence of drug use and other social disorder and eventually houses

social disorder and eventually houses

social disorder and eventually houses fall into disrepair

fall into disrepair

fall into disrepair they don’t get fixed they get boarded up

they don’t get fixed they get boarded up

they don’t get fixed they get boarded up and the whole cycle kicks into overdrive

and the whole cycle kicks into overdrive

and the whole cycle kicks into overdrive less trust between neighbors is more

less trust between neighbors is more

less trust between neighbors is more crime eventually people with legitimate

crime eventually people with legitimate

crime eventually people with legitimate business in the neighborhood start

business in the neighborhood start

business in the neighborhood start steering clear and what’s left is

steering clear and what’s left is

steering clear and what’s left is largely dysfunction in 2003 a key

largely dysfunction in 2003 a key

largely dysfunction in 2003 a key landowner in the heart of my

landowner in the heart of my

landowner in the heart of my neighborhood raised rents amidst a cycle

neighborhood raised rents amidst a cycle

neighborhood raised rents amidst a cycle a broader cycle of disinvestment the

a broader cycle of disinvestment the

a broader cycle of disinvestment the rents were higher than was reasonable

rents were higher than was reasonable

rents were higher than was reasonable and the businesses that were in the

and the businesses that were in the

and the businesses that were in the building moved out no new businesses

building moved out no new businesses

building moved out no new businesses moved in eventually the windows got

moved in eventually the windows got

moved in eventually the windows got broken the building was boarded up

broken the building was boarded up

broken the building was boarded up squatters broke in and started living

squatters broke in and started living

squatters broke in and started living upstairs there was drug use and I’m not

upstairs there was drug use and I’m not

upstairs there was drug use and I’m not talking about dope I’m talking about

talking about dope I’m talking about

talking about dope I’m talking about heroin it was drug dealing there was the

heroin it was drug dealing there was the

heroin it was drug dealing there was the violence and theft that goes along with

violence and theft that goes along with

violence and theft that goes along with those habits there was prostitution it

those habits there was prostitution it

those habits there was prostitution it was a tremendous source of human misery

was a tremendous source of human misery

was a tremendous source of human misery that building but what’s the solution

that building but what’s the solution

that building but what’s the solution the city tried an enforcement approach

the city tried an enforcement approach

the city tried an enforcement approach they sent in

they sent in

they sent in by law officers they levied fines

by law officers they levied fines

by law officers they levied fines against the owner the police came they

against the owner the police came they

against the owner the police came they evicted the squatters eventually that

evicted the squatters eventually that

evicted the squatters eventually that the city cut the power and the water but

the city cut the power and the water but

the city cut the power and the water but that didn’t change anything actually

that didn’t change anything actually

that didn’t change anything actually because a few hours later the squatters

because a few hours later the squatters

because a few hours later the squatters broke back in and resumed living there

broke back in and resumed living there

broke back in and resumed living there in the dark so the power of the city to

in the dark so the power of the city to

in the dark so the power of the city to legislate or enforce better community

legislate or enforce better community

legislate or enforce better community outcomes is limited what about the

outcomes is limited what about the

outcomes is limited what about the market can see the building was for sale

market can see the building was for sale

market can see the building was for sale and for lease but as a business owner

and for lease but as a business owner

and for lease but as a business owner can you imagine moving into that

can you imagine moving into that

can you imagine moving into that building no thanks and in terms of you

building no thanks and in terms of you

building no thanks and in terms of you know someone picking it up on the cheap

know someone picking it up on the cheap

know someone picking it up on the cheap there was no no deal though the

there was no no deal though the

there was no no deal though the landowner wanted his price which was

landowner wanted his price which was

landowner wanted his price which was more than the building was worth so

more than the building was worth so

more than the building was worth so who’s left enter the neighborhood

who’s left enter the neighborhood

who’s left enter the neighborhood developer in this case a community

developer in this case a community

developer in this case a community center half a block away providing

center half a block away providing

center half a block away providing Family Services and other programs for

Family Services and other programs for

Family Services and other programs for families and neighborhood at that time I

families and neighborhood at that time I

families and neighborhood at that time I was the president of the board of

was the president of the board of

was the president of the board of directors of a failing organization in

directors of a failing organization in

directors of a failing organization in the middle of a failing neighborhood and

the middle of a failing neighborhood and

the middle of a failing neighborhood and how we turned our organization around as

how we turned our organization around as

how we turned our organization around as a story that’s too long to tell today

a story that’s too long to tell today

a story that’s too long to tell today but I really came down to this we had

but I really came down to this we had

but I really came down to this we had become so desperate that we were no

become so desperate that we were no

become so desperate that we were no longer afraid to fail so we took a

longer afraid to fail so we took a

longer afraid to fail so we took a tremendous risk we bought the boarded-up

tremendous risk we bought the boarded-up

tremendous risk we bought the boarded-up building but the thing is when you want

building but the thing is when you want

building but the thing is when you want to buy a commercial building unless you

to buy a commercial building unless you

to buy a commercial building unless you got a lot of money in your jeans you

got a lot of money in your jeans you

got a lot of money in your jeans you generally need a loan and the thing that

generally need a loan and the thing that

generally need a loan and the thing that is really challenging about getting a

is really challenging about getting a

is really challenging about getting a loan is that you need to show proof of

loan is that you need to show proof of

loan is that you need to show proof of income that building had no legal

income that building had no legal

income that building had no legal tenants no tenants no income no income

tenants no tenants no income no income

tenants no tenants no income no income no loan so we compounded our risk we

no loan so we compounded our risk we

no loan so we compounded our risk we took a loan from the owner and we gave

took a loan from the owner and we gave

took a loan from the owner and we gave the owner of the building all of our

the owner of the building all of our

the owner of the building all of our existing assets and that at that point

existing assets and that at that point

existing assets and that at that point it was a beautiful character house six

it was a beautiful character house six

it was a beautiful character house six blocks away we gave him all of our

blocks away we gave him all of our

blocks away we gave him all of our existing assets as a down payment and

existing assets as a down payment and

existing assets as a down payment and then we did the one thing that the best

then we did the one thing that the best

then we did the one thing that the best investors will tell you never to do we

investors will tell you never to do we

investors will tell you never to do we overpaid because

overpaid because

overpaid because the land the landowner wanted his price

the land the landowner wanted his price

the land the landowner wanted his price which was more than the building is

which was more than the building is

which was more than the building is worth but we wanted our neighborhood

worth but we wanted our neighborhood

worth but we wanted our neighborhood back and at that point no price was too

back and at that point no price was too

back and at that point no price was too high well the good news is I’m here to

high well the good news is I’m here to

high well the good news is I’m here to tell you today a dozen years later it

tell you today a dozen years later it

tell you today a dozen years later it all worked out

all worked out

all worked out with tremendous support from the

with tremendous support from the

with tremendous support from the neighborhood and generous support from

neighborhood and generous support from

neighborhood and generous support from funders we stripped the building out and

funders we stripped the building out and

funders we stripped the building out and put it back together there’s now four

put it back together there’s now four

put it back together there’s now four units of affordable family housing

units of affordable family housing

units of affordable family housing upstairs for businesses in the

upstairs for businesses in the

upstairs for businesses in the commercial level and along the way we

commercial level and along the way we

commercial level and along the way we got enterprising because we own and

got enterprising because we own and

got enterprising because we own and operate two of those businesses

operate two of those businesses

operate two of those businesses ourselves through a subsidiary taxable

ourselves through a subsidiary taxable

ourselves through a subsidiary taxable corporation and the profits flow back

corporation and the profits flow back

corporation and the profits flow back into our charitable activities down the

into our charitable activities down the

into our charitable activities down the street a couple years later we

street a couple years later we

street a couple years later we identified another opportunity in this

identified another opportunity in this

identified another opportunity in this case a vacant lot couple blocks away

case a vacant lot couple blocks away

case a vacant lot couple blocks away there was collecting rubbish and you

there was collecting rubbish and you

there was collecting rubbish and you know on the odd bit of trouble it was a

know on the odd bit of trouble it was a

know on the odd bit of trouble it was a great opportunity but it was across the

great opportunity but it was across the

great opportunity but it was across the street from a row of beautiful character

street from a row of beautiful character

street from a row of beautiful character homes on Yukon Street for those who know

homes on Yukon Street for those who know

homes on Yukon Street for those who know it when the neighbors heard that we

it when the neighbors heard that we

it when the neighbors heard that we intended to put more affordable housing

intended to put more affordable housing

intended to put more affordable housing for families but on their beautiful

for families but on their beautiful

for families but on their beautiful Street they were horrified and some of

Street they were horrified and some of

Street they were horrified and some of them actually came to public hearing and

them actually came to public hearing and

them actually came to public hearing and spoke against the project to try to get

spoke against the project to try to get

spoke against the project to try to get it overturned if you can imagine they

it overturned if you can imagine they

it overturned if you can imagine they actually preferred vacant lot with

actually preferred vacant lot with

actually preferred vacant lot with rubbish piling up in it than affordable

rubbish piling up in it than affordable

rubbish piling up in it than affordable housing for families but that’s that

housing for families but that’s that

housing for families but that’s that fear of the unknown that I’m talking

fear of the unknown that I’m talking

fear of the unknown that I’m talking about right but we prevailed we built

about right but we prevailed we built

about right but we prevailed we built this beautiful six Plex of affordable

this beautiful six Plex of affordable

this beautiful six Plex of affordable family housing in 2008 and when you know

family housing in 2008 and when you know

family housing in 2008 and when you know we designed it in such a way that it

we designed it in such a way that it

we designed it in such a way that it actually mirrors and fits right in with

actually mirrors and fits right in with

actually mirrors and fits right in with beautiful homes across the street and

beautiful homes across the street and

beautiful homes across the street and when the funders came to cut the ribbon

when the funders came to cut the ribbon

when the funders came to cut the ribbon they had to ask which house is the new

they had to ask which house is the new

they had to ask which house is the new one because they couldn’t tell which one

one because they couldn’t tell which one

one because they couldn’t tell which one it was

it was

it was flash forward five years 2013 we

flash forward five years 2013 we

flash forward five years 2013 we identify another opportunity in this

identify another opportunity in this

identify another opportunity in this case you know it was a home that it

case you know it was a home that it

case you know it was a home that it wasn’t boarded up yet but it was an

wasn’t boarded up yet but it was an

wasn’t boarded up yet but it was an opportunity that was ripe for

opportunity that was ripe for

opportunity that was ripe for reinvestment let’s just say we did a lot

reinvestment let’s just say we did a lot

reinvestment let’s just say we did a lot of neighborhood consultation and buy a

of neighborhood consultation and buy a

of neighborhood consultation and buy a lot I mean

lot I mean

lot I mean half a dozen meetings anyways over a

half a dozen meetings anyways over a

half a dozen meetings anyways over a period of years really we envisioned

period of years really we envisioned

period of years really we envisioned ultimately because this was right

ultimately because this was right

ultimately because this was right adjacent to the core of our village just

adjacent to the core of our village just

adjacent to the core of our village just expanding our village a little bit in

expanding our village a little bit in

expanding our village a little bit in this case a mixed-use building with

this case a mixed-use building with

this case a mixed-use building with housing upstairs and commercial below

housing upstairs and commercial below

housing upstairs and commercial below and as we were getting ready to go to

and as we were getting ready to go to

and as we were getting ready to go to public hearing the most amazing thing

public hearing the most amazing thing

public hearing the most amazing thing happened last summer I was out for a

happened last summer I was out for a

happened last summer I was out for a walk I went into our cafe and I saw one

walk I went into our cafe and I saw one

walk I went into our cafe and I saw one of our tenants from this building having

of our tenants from this building having

of our tenants from this building having a drink with his neighbor

a drink with his neighbor

a drink with his neighbor did you catch that he was having a drink

did you catch that he was having a drink

did you catch that he was having a drink with his neighbor from across the street

with his neighbor from across the street

with his neighbor from across the street who eight years earlier had absolutely

who eight years earlier had absolutely

who eight years earlier had absolutely not wanted to have family housing in the

not wanted to have family housing in the

not wanted to have family housing in the vacant lot and so then our tenant

vacant lot and so then our tenant

vacant lot and so then our tenant introduced me to Harry and Harry

introduced me to Harry and Harry

introduced me to Harry and Harry confessed and told this story about how

confessed and told this story about how

confessed and told this story about how he and his wife had been so opposed to

he and his wife had been so opposed to

he and his wife had been so opposed to our project right up until they saw the

our project right up until they saw the

our project right up until they saw the beautiful families moving in and now

beautiful families moving in and now

beautiful families moving in and now they love those folks and I asked Harry

they love those folks and I asked Harry

they love those folks and I asked Harry if he would be willing to write an

if he would be willing to write an

if he would be willing to write an article for our neighborhood newspaper

article for our neighborhood newspaper

article for our neighborhood newspaper describing his experience and he did and

describing his experience and he did and

describing his experience and he did and there it is NIMH beetle Oso NIMBY of

there it is NIMH beetle Oso NIMBY of

there it is NIMH beetle Oso NIMBY of course for those who are not aware

course for those who are not aware

course for those who are not aware stands for not in my backyard in this

stands for not in my backyard in this

stands for not in my backyard in this case it was across the street so it’s

case it was across the street so it’s

case it was across the street so it’s more like in his front yard but even he

more like in his front yard but even he

more like in his front yard but even he admitted that he had been a NIMBY but

admitted that he had been a NIMBY but

admitted that he had been a NIMBY but that he had grown to love his new

that he had grown to love his new

that he had grown to love his new neighbors I also asked Harry if he’d be

neighbors I also asked Harry if he’d be

neighbors I also asked Harry if he’d be willing to come and talk at public

willing to come and talk at public

willing to come and talk at public hearing in support of our new project

hearing in support of our new project

hearing in support of our new project and he said he would and he did and so

and he said he would and he did and so

and he said he would and he did and so did dozens of other people as we were

did dozens of other people as we were

did dozens of other people as we were getting ready to go to public hearing we

getting ready to go to public hearing we

getting ready to go to public hearing we canvassed all the neighbors within 200

canvassed all the neighbors within 200

canvassed all the neighbors within 200 meters we got a hundred and sixty-five

meters we got a hundred and sixty-five

meters we got a hundred and sixty-five signatures on our petition and you can

signatures on our petition and you can

signatures on our petition and you can see there there’s a pretty good

see there there’s a pretty good

see there there’s a pretty good dispersion like almost everybody that we

dispersion like almost everybody that we

dispersion like almost everybody that we could find at home was willing to sign

could find at home was willing to sign

could find at home was willing to sign our our petition

our our petition

our our petition and so when we went to public hearing it

and so when we went to public hearing it

and so when we went to public hearing it passed unanimously but the most

passed unanimously but the most

passed unanimously but the most interesting thing about that evening was

interesting thing about that evening was

interesting thing about that evening was that the same night that we were

that the same night that we were

that the same night that we were successful a public hearing another

successful a public hearing another

successful a public hearing another proud

proud

proud in the next neighborhood village over

in the next neighborhood village over

in the next neighborhood village over got sent back to the drawing board and

got sent back to the drawing board and

got sent back to the drawing board and one of the counselors drew a very sharp

one of the counselors drew a very sharp

one of the counselors drew a very sharp contrast between our project and the

contrast between our project and the

contrast between our project and the other one he said our project would add

other one he said our project would add

other one he said our project would add character add vibrancy and build

character add vibrancy and build

character add vibrancy and build community and not potentially harm it

community and not potentially harm it

community and not potentially harm it like he thought the other project would

like he thought the other project would

like he thought the other project would so now you can see I’m no longer nervous

so now you can see I’m no longer nervous

so now you can see I’m no longer nervous on the tightrope I’m dancing because I

on the tightrope I’m dancing because I

on the tightrope I’m dancing because I know that if I tip too far either way

know that if I tip too far either way

know that if I tip too far either way that the community is going to put me

that the community is going to put me

that the community is going to put me back up straight I started out by saying

back up straight I started out by saying

back up straight I started out by saying that the negatives of Neighborhood

that the negatives of Neighborhood

that the negatives of Neighborhood Development are a loss of character a

Development are a loss of character a

Development are a loss of character a loss of affordable housing loss of

loss of affordable housing loss of

loss of affordable housing loss of commercial space and community conflict

commercial space and community conflict

commercial space and community conflict and it’s taken us a long time but I’m

and it’s taken us a long time but I’m

and it’s taken us a long time but I’m here to tell you that it’s possible to

here to tell you that it’s possible to

here to tell you that it’s possible to reinvent development we are building

reinvent development we are building

reinvent development we are building repairing you know adding new buildings

repairing you know adding new buildings

repairing you know adding new buildings that are completely in character with

that are completely in character with

that are completely in character with the surrounding neighborhood we’re

the surrounding neighborhood we’re

the surrounding neighborhood we’re building affordable housing we’re adding

building affordable housing we’re adding

building affordable housing we’re adding commercial space where possible through

commercial space where possible through

commercial space where possible through mixed-use development and we’re doing it

mixed-use development and we’re doing it

mixed-use development and we’re doing it all after 12 years with tremendous

all after 12 years with tremendous

all after 12 years with tremendous community support that’s how we’ve

community support that’s how we’ve

community support that’s how we’ve reinvented development in our

reinvented development in our

reinvented development in our neighborhood thank you

neighborhood thank you

neighborhood thank you [Applause]

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