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Recidivism and the Convict Labor Market | Alex Basinger | TEDxGeorgiaStateU


what if i told you that the United

what if i told you that the United States has the highest number of slaves

States has the highest number of slaves

States has the highest number of slaves in the developed world and it’s

in the developed world and it’s

in the developed world and it’s completely legal it’s true the 13th

completely legal it’s true the 13th

completely legal it’s true the 13th amendment the United States Constitution

amendment the United States Constitution

amendment the United States Constitution explicitly states neither slavery nor

explicitly states neither slavery nor

explicitly states neither slavery nor involuntary servitude except as a

involuntary servitude except as a

involuntary servitude except as a punishment for crime shall exist within

punishment for crime shall exist within

punishment for crime shall exist within the United States this one small

the United States this one small

the United States this one small addendum allows for the existence of a

addendum allows for the existence of a

addendum allows for the existence of a billion-dollar prison labor market where

billion-dollar prison labor market where

billion-dollar prison labor market where prisoners are forcibly employed for less

prisoners are forcibly employed for less

prisoners are forcibly employed for less than a dollar an hour in every industry

than a dollar an hour in every industry

than a dollar an hour in every industry from construction and manufacturing to

from construction and manufacturing to

from construction and manufacturing to telecommunications and the system was

telecommunications and the system was

telecommunications and the system was constitutionally upheld so it’s not

constitutionally upheld so it’s not

constitutionally upheld so it’s not going away anytime soon but i’m not here

going away anytime soon but i’m not here

going away anytime soon but i’m not here to argue the ethics of slavery with you

to argue the ethics of slavery with you

to argue the ethics of slavery with you i understand most people have strong

i understand most people have strong

i understand most people have strong opinions about that what i am here to

opinions about that what i am here to

opinions about that what i am here to tell you about is an excellent business

tell you about is an excellent business

tell you about is an excellent business model when the prison population

model when the prison population

model when the prison population increases private prisons paid for

increases private prisons paid for

increases private prisons paid for government contracts to build prisons

government contracts to build prisons

government contracts to build prisons and house prisoners when they win they

and house prisoners when they win they

and house prisoners when they win they use the profits from their contracts as

use the profits from their contracts as

use the profits from their contracts as well as from the prisoners labor to hire

well as from the prisoners labor to hire

well as from the prisoners labor to hire lobbyists to encourage tough on crime

lobbyists to encourage tough on crime

lobbyists to encourage tough on crime legislation this increases the prison

legislation this increases the prison

legislation this increases the prison population again this process is known

population again this process is known

population again this process is known as a revolving door of the American

as a revolving door of the American

as a revolving door of the American prison system but I think that’s a bit

prison system but I think that’s a bit

prison system but I think that’s a bit of a misnomer after all we’re not the

of a misnomer after all we’re not the

of a misnomer after all we’re not the only country that does this five other

only country that does this five other

only country that does this five other industrial and post-industrial nations

industrial and post-industrial nations

industrial and post-industrial nations also use prisoners for slave labor they

also use prisoners for slave labor they

also use prisoners for slave labor they are the United Kingdom China Japan New

are the United Kingdom China Japan New

are the United Kingdom China Japan New Zealand and Australia these six

Zealand and Australia these six

Zealand and Australia these six countries also have extremely high

countries also have extremely high

countries also have extremely high recidivism rates relative to the rest of

recidivism rates relative to the rest of

recidivism rates relative to the rest of the world what is recidivism recidivism

the world what is recidivism recidivism

the world what is recidivism recidivism can be defined as the rear s

can be defined as the rear s

can be defined as the rear s reconviction or re-incarceration of a

reconviction or re-incarceration of a

reconviction or re-incarceration of a criminal after a previous arrest

criminal after a previous arrest

criminal after a previous arrest conviction or incarceration for the

conviction or incarceration for the

conviction or incarceration for the purposes of my research I looked at real

purposes of my research I looked at real

purposes of my research I looked at real incarceration rates because prisoners

incarceration rates because prisoners

incarceration rates because prisoners can’t be used for slave labor unless

can’t be used for slave labor unless

can’t be used for slave labor unless they are unless they are currently

they are unless they are currently

they are unless they are currently incarcerated with this definition of

incarcerated with this definition of

incarcerated with this definition of mine I went ahead to my first research

mine I went ahead to my first research

mine I went ahead to my first research question do the efforts of the

question do the efforts of the

question do the efforts of the for-profit prison industry directly lead

for-profit prison industry directly lead

for-profit prison industry directly lead to an increase in reincarnation of

to an increase in reincarnation of

to an increase in reincarnation of prisoners additionally what other

prisoners additionally what other

prisoners additionally what other factors what other factors would allow

factors what other factors would allow

factors what other factors would allow for-profit prisons to flourish and

for-profit prisons to flourish and

for-profit prisons to flourish and encourage high every incarceration the

encourage high every incarceration the

encourage high every incarceration the first thing I wanted to look at was the

first thing I wanted to look at was the

first thing I wanted to look at was the difference between law enforcement sin

difference between law enforcement sin

difference between law enforcement sin my countries may be having a large law

my countries may be having a large law

my countries may be having a large law enforcement body relative to the rest of

enforcement body relative to the rest of

enforcement body relative to the rest of the population ensures that the vast

the population ensures that the vast

the population ensures that the vast majority of recidivist criminals are

majority of recidivist criminals are

majority of recidivist criminals are caught tried and convicted correctly so

caught tried and convicted correctly so

caught tried and convicted correctly so I looked at the number of

I looked at the number of

I looked at the number of just police officers and prosecutors

just police officers and prosecutors

just police officers and prosecutors compared to the general population but

compared to the general population but

compared to the general population but it looks like size really doesn’t matter

it looks like size really doesn’t matter

it looks like size really doesn’t matter so instead I tried looking at their

so instead I tried looking at their

so instead I tried looking at their productivity how do you measure the

productivity how do you measure the

productivity how do you measure the productivity of law enforcement what I

productivity of law enforcement what I

productivity of law enforcement what I used was number of suspects per police

used was number of suspects per police

used was number of suspects per police officer and number of convictions /

officer and number of convictions /

officer and number of convictions / prosecutor the more important of these

prosecutor the more important of these

prosecutor the more important of these two measures is number of convictions

two measures is number of convictions

two measures is number of convictions for prosecutor because convictions

for prosecutor because convictions

for prosecutor because convictions represent the final good produced by our

represent the final good produced by our

represent the final good produced by our legal system everything leading up to

legal system everything leading up to

legal system everything leading up to that included suspecting of a criminal

that included suspecting of a criminal

that included suspecting of a criminal by police officer and then prosecuting

by police officer and then prosecuting

by police officer and then prosecuting by the prosecution would be intermediate

by the prosecution would be intermediate

by the prosecution would be intermediate goods used to produce this final

goods used to produce this final

goods used to produce this final supposedly correct conviction but it

supposedly correct conviction but it

supposedly correct conviction but it looks like the vigilance of law

looks like the vigilance of law

looks like the vigilance of law enforcement doesn’t have any impact on

enforcement doesn’t have any impact on

enforcement doesn’t have any impact on recidivism so I thought what if it’s a

recidivism so I thought what if it’s a

recidivism so I thought what if it’s a difference between the criminals

difference between the criminals

difference between the criminals themselves after all not all crimes had

themselves after all not all crimes had

themselves after all not all crimes had the same recidivism rate property crimes

the same recidivism rate property crimes

the same recidivism rate property crimes like theft and burglary have recidivism

like theft and burglary have recidivism

like theft and burglary have recidivism rates over seventy percent whereas

rates over seventy percent whereas

rates over seventy percent whereas violent crimes like homicide and sexual

violent crimes like homicide and sexual

violent crimes like homicide and sexual assault have recidivism rates under

assault have recidivism rates under

assault have recidivism rates under three percent so maybe a country that

three percent so maybe a country that

three percent so maybe a country that has a large number of property criminals

has a large number of property criminals

has a large number of property criminals relative to violent criminals would also

relative to violent criminals would also

relative to violent criminals would also have a high recidivism rate despite the

have a high recidivism rate despite the

have a high recidivism rate despite the fact that they’re experiencing less

fact that they’re experiencing less

fact that they’re experiencing less severe crime but neither the type of

severe crime but neither the type of

severe crime but neither the type of crime being committed nor the total

crime being committed nor the total

crime being committed nor the total amount of crime being committed could

amount of crime being committed could

amount of crime being committed could actually tell us anything about

actually tell us anything about

actually tell us anything about recidivism there could still be one

recidivism there could still be one

recidivism there could still be one other important difference between the

other important difference between the

other important difference between the criminals in these countries though one

criminals in these countries though one

criminals in these countries though one other fact I looked at was the

other fact I looked at was the

other fact I looked at was the prevalence of organized crime organized

prevalence of organized crime organized

prevalence of organized crime organized criminals represent a special type of

criminals represent a special type of

criminals represent a special type of professional criminals it is their job

professional criminals it is their job

professional criminals it is their job and primary source of income to commit

and primary source of income to commit

and primary source of income to commit crimes so although and in additionally

crimes so although and in additionally

crimes so although and in additionally in order to be part of a criminal

in order to be part of a criminal

in order to be part of a criminal organization these criminals would need

organization these criminals would need

organization these criminals would need some past experience and skills

some past experience and skills

some past experience and skills committing crimes in order to be an

committing crimes in order to be an

committing crimes in order to be an asset although not one hundred percent

asset although not one hundred percent

asset although not one hundred percent of these criminals are caught and tried

of these criminals are caught and tried

of these criminals are caught and tried repeatedly they should still be

repeatedly they should still be

repeatedly they should still be considered recidivist criminals because

considered recidivist criminals because

considered recidivist criminals because they are constantly reoffending in order

they are constantly reoffending in order

they are constantly reoffending in order to generate income but how do you

to generate income but how do you

to generate income but how do you measure organized crime obviously you

measure organized crime obviously you

measure organized crime obviously you can’t do it directly but van de extry

can’t do it directly but van de extry

can’t do it directly but van de extry search on organized crime indicators

search on organized crime indicators

search on organized crime indicators gave us a good base to go off of he used

gave us a good base to go off of he used

gave us a good base to go off of he used several proxy variables but the most

several proxy variables but the most

several proxy variables but the most important of them was number of unsolved

important of them was number of unsolved

important of them was number of unsolved homicides typically there are two types

homicides typically there are two types

homicides typically there are two types of homicide the cold-blooded killing is

of homicide the cold-blooded killing is

of homicide the cold-blooded killing is committed by criminal organizations

committed by criminal organizations

committed by criminal organizations where the relationship between

where the relationship between

where the relationship between perpetrator and victim is not well known

perpetrator and victim is not well known

perpetrator and victim is not well known and hot blooded crimes of passion where

and hot blooded crimes of passion where

and hot blooded crimes of passion where the perpetrator and victim knew each

the perpetrator and victim knew each

the perpetrator and victim knew each other intimately

other intimately

other intimately and these have a much higher solve right

and these have a much higher solve right

and these have a much higher solve right because it’s much easier to establish

because it’s much easier to establish

because it’s much easier to establish the relationship between perpetrator and

the relationship between perpetrator and

the relationship between perpetrator and victim so the number of unsolved

victim so the number of unsolved

victim so the number of unsolved homicides in a country actually does

homicides in a country actually does

homicides in a country actually does serve as a good proxy for the amount of

serve as a good proxy for the amount of

serve as a good proxy for the amount of organized crime but whether taking day

organized crime but whether taking day

organized crime but whether taking day extry search well they’re taking day x

extry search well they’re taking day x

extry search well they’re taking day x variables together or independently his

variables together or independently his

variables together or independently his organized crime his composite organized

organized crime his composite organized

organized crime his composite organized crime index could not tell us anything

crime index could not tell us anything

crime index could not tell us anything more about recidivism one final fact I

more about recidivism one final fact I

more about recidivism one final fact I looked at in differences between these

looked at in differences between these

looked at in differences between these countries is a number of immigrants

countries is a number of immigrants

countries is a number of immigrants immigrants particularly in the United

immigrants particularly in the United

immigrants particularly in the United States are sorry particularly in the

States are sorry particularly in the

States are sorry particularly in the United Kingdom there have been

United Kingdom there have been

United Kingdom there have been complaints that immigrants have been

complaints that immigrants have been

complaints that immigrants have been being detained in for-profit facilities

being detained in for-profit facilities

being detained in for-profit facilities at increased rates relative to the

at increased rates relative to the

at increased rates relative to the general population this shouldn’t be

general population this shouldn’t be

general population this shouldn’t be that surprising given the fact that

that surprising given the fact that

that surprising given the fact that immigrants typically have fewer rights

immigrants typically have fewer rights

immigrants typically have fewer rights and natural born citizens and frequently

and natural born citizens and frequently

and natural born citizens and frequently don’t speak the native language making

don’t speak the native language making

don’t speak the native language making them much easier to hold in these

them much easier to hold in these

them much easier to hold in these for-profit facilities for long periods

for-profit facilities for long periods

for-profit facilities for long periods of time but this problem appears to be

of time but this problem appears to be

of time but this problem appears to be primarily isolated to the United Kingdom

primarily isolated to the United Kingdom

primarily isolated to the United Kingdom because even countries with relatively

because even countries with relatively

because even countries with relatively low immigration like New Zealand and

low immigration like New Zealand and

low immigration like New Zealand and Australia have comparable recidivism

Australia have comparable recidivism

Australia have comparable recidivism rates countries with extremely high

rates countries with extremely high

rates countries with extremely high recidivism like the United States and

recidivism like the United States and

recidivism like the United States and United Kingdom one final factor one

United Kingdom one final factor one

United Kingdom one final factor one final thing before I get to the results

final thing before I get to the results

final thing before I get to the results of my study are these special

of my study are these special

of my study are these special considerations that I had to take for

considerations that I had to take for

considerations that I had to take for China China report said it probably has

China China report said it probably has

China China report said it probably has the lowest recidivism rate in the world

the lowest recidivism rate in the world

the lowest recidivism rate in the world at about twelve percent this is not only

at about twelve percent this is not only

at about twelve percent this is not only remarkable given that a typical

remarkable given that a typical

remarkable given that a typical recidivism rate in a country that

recidivism rate in a country that

recidivism rate in a country that doesn’t use slave labor is thirty-one

doesn’t use slave labor is thirty-one

doesn’t use slave labor is thirty-one percent it’s actually highly suspicious

percent it’s actually highly suspicious

percent it’s actually highly suspicious given that China’s not known as a global

given that China’s not known as a global

given that China’s not known as a global leader in humanitarian achievement after

leader in humanitarian achievement after

leader in humanitarian achievement after doing some digging into the Chinese

doing some digging into the Chinese

doing some digging into the Chinese prison system i discovered the laogai

prison system i discovered the laogai

prison system i discovered the laogai lagai means reform through labor and it

lagai means reform through labor and it

lagai means reform through labor and it was a system of prison camps located

was a system of prison camps located

was a system of prison camps located throughout China Harry Wu was Harry was

throughout China Harry Wu was Harry was

throughout China Harry Wu was Harry was the founder of the laogai Research

the founder of the laogai Research

the founder of the laogai Research Foundation and he was a former political

Foundation and he was a former political

Foundation and he was a former political prisoner in the Lao guy he was a

prisoner in the Lao guy he was a

prisoner in the Lao guy he was a prisoner for 19 years under what is

prisoner for 19 years under what is

prisoner for 19 years under what is called a jail sentence joa means force

called a jail sentence joa means force

called a jail sentence joa means force job placement it is an indefinite prison

job placement it is an indefinite prison

job placement it is an indefinite prison sentence given to a low guy prisoner at

sentence given to a low guy prisoner at

sentence given to a low guy prisoner at the end of his court-appointed sentence

the end of his court-appointed sentence

the end of his court-appointed sentence on the day the release they’re simply

on the day the release they’re simply

on the day the release they’re simply told that they will be held indefinitely

told that they will be held indefinitely

told that they will be held indefinitely until they are dead or until they so

until they are dead or until they so

until they are dead or until they so choose to release them so although these

choose to release them so although these

choose to release them so although these criminals are not getting out of prison

criminals are not getting out of prison

criminals are not getting out of prison where they can reoffend and be

where they can reoffend and be

where they can reoffend and be re-incarcerated they are still being

re-incarcerated they are still being

re-incarcerated they are still being resent instead incarcerated

resent instead incarcerated

resent instead incarcerated so if we want to measure the effect that

so if we want to measure the effect that

so if we want to measure the effect that for-profit prisons have on reincarnation

for-profit prisons have on reincarnation

for-profit prisons have on reincarnation population relative to its laogai

population relative to its laogai

population relative to its laogai population service it’s reincarnation

population service it’s reincarnation

population service it’s reincarnation rate again because these criminals are

rate again because these criminals are

rate again because these criminals are are being re-incarcerated despite the

are being re-incarcerated despite the

are being re-incarcerated despite the fact that they are not reoffending who

fact that they are not reoffending who

fact that they are not reoffending who estimates that of the 16 to 21 million

estimates that of the 16 to 21 million

estimates that of the 16 to 21 million log our prisoners about 8 to 10 million

log our prisoners about 8 to 10 million

log our prisoners about 8 to 10 million have received a juvie sentence these are

have received a juvie sentence these are

have received a juvie sentence these are of course estimates as to date the log I

of course estimates as to date the log I

of course estimates as to date the log I Research Foundation has identified about

Research Foundation has identified about

Research Foundation has identified about 1100 of these camps though they believe

1100 of these camps though they believe

1100 of these camps though they believe there are about 3,000 taking the most

there are about 3,000 taking the most

there are about 3,000 taking the most conservative of lose estimates we get

conservative of lose estimates we get

conservative of lose estimates we get that eight million of the 16 million

that eight million of the 16 million

that eight million of the 16 million laogai prisoners received a jail

laogai prisoners received a jail

laogai prisoners received a jail sentence giving china re incarceration

sentence giving china re incarceration

sentence giving china re incarceration rate of fifty percent finally for the

rate of fifty percent finally for the

rate of fifty percent finally for the results of my study I found that

results of my study I found that

results of my study I found that for-profit prisons increased criminal

for-profit prisons increased criminal

for-profit prisons increased criminal increase tree incarceration by about 14

increase tree incarceration by about 14

increase tree incarceration by about 14 percentage points although there was

percentage points although there was

percentage points although there was extremely limited limited literature on

extremely limited limited literature on

extremely limited limited literature on the subject I did find one other study

the subject I did find one other study

the subject I did find one other study that did something similar Baron Posen

that did something similar Baron Posen

that did something similar Baron Posen looked at a cohort of Florida juvenile

looked at a cohort of Florida juvenile

looked at a cohort of Florida juvenile offenders in four types of prisons three

offenders in four types of prisons three

offenders in four types of prisons three types were nonprofit and the fourth was

types were nonprofit and the fourth was

types were nonprofit and the fourth was for profit compared to all three kinds

for profit compared to all three kinds

for profit compared to all three kinds of nonprofit prisons the for-profit

of nonprofit prisons the for-profit

of nonprofit prisons the for-profit prison / firm dwarfs in terms of

prison / firm dwarfs in terms of

prison / firm dwarfs in terms of recidivism outcomes additionally the

recidivism outcomes additionally the

recidivism outcomes additionally the increase in citizen in recidivism they

increase in citizen in recidivism they

increase in citizen in recidivism they found was comparable to my own their

found was comparable to my own their

found was comparable to my own their studies actually even more compelling

studies actually even more compelling

studies actually even more compelling because they were able to control for a

because they were able to control for a

because they were able to control for a wide a wide variety of factors about

wide a wide variety of factors about

wide a wide variety of factors about every single person within their study

every single person within their study

every single person within their study they knew their personal history their

they knew their personal history their

they knew their personal history their criminal background the size and

criminal background the size and

criminal background the size and demographics of the prison facility that

demographics of the prison facility that

demographics of the prison facility that were placed in the crime and recidivism

were placed in the crime and recidivism

were placed in the crime and recidivism rate within their family and the crime

rate within their family and the crime

rate within their family and the crime and recidivism weight within their

and recidivism weight within their

and recidivism weight within their neighborhood so based off of this

neighborhood so based off of this

neighborhood so based off of this extremely detailed data they’re actually

extremely detailed data they’re actually

extremely detailed data they’re actually able to come up with a strong model that

able to come up with a strong model that

able to come up with a strong model that would predict recidivism and even after

would predict recidivism and even after

would predict recidivism and even after accounting for all these factors they

accounting for all these factors they

accounting for all these factors they still found a substantial increase in

still found a substantial increase in

still found a substantial increase in recidivism rates and for-profit prisons

recidivism rates and for-profit prisons

recidivism rates and for-profit prisons compared to non profit taking all this

compared to non profit taking all this

compared to non profit taking all this information together I have two possible

information together I have two possible

information together I have two possible policy recommendations the first is we

policy recommendations the first is we

policy recommendations the first is we could simply replace all for-profit

could simply replace all for-profit

could simply replace all for-profit prison management with nonprofit

prison management with nonprofit

prison management with nonprofit management the second is that we could

management the second is that we could

management the second is that we could try changing the incentive structure at

try changing the incentive structure at

try changing the incentive structure at that private prisons face rather than

that private prisons face rather than

that private prisons face rather than funding them based on the number of

funding them based on the number of

funding them based on the number of people they incarcerate we could fund

people they incarcerate we could fund

people they incarcerate we could fund them based on the number of prisoners

them based on the number of prisoners

them based on the number of prisoners they rehabilitate thank you

they rehabilitate thank you

they rehabilitate thank you [Applause]

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