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Re-thinking our relationship with tech | Annelie Berner | TEDxCopenhagenSalon


thank you it’s a warm sunny day I’ve

thank you it’s a warm sunny day I’ve just arrived to my parents house for a

just arrived to my parents house for a

just arrived to my parents house for a visit and my dad is lying on the sofa

visit and my dad is lying on the sofa

visit and my dad is lying on the sofa doing some work he’s got his laptop on

doing some work he’s got his laptop on

doing some work he’s got his laptop on his knees everything is in peace and in

his knees everything is in peace and in

his knees everything is in peace and in harmony until suddenly he picks up his

harmony until suddenly he picks up his

harmony until suddenly he picks up his laptop and starts shaking it to the

laptop and starts shaking it to the

laptop and starts shaking it to the point where I think he might even throw

point where I think he might even throw

point where I think he might even throw it across the room

it across the room

it across the room I look and I said what what’s going on

I look and I said what what’s going on

I look and I said what what’s going on and he says it won’t do the thing I

and he says it won’t do the thing I

and he says it won’t do the thing I needed to do I don’t understand it and

needed to do I don’t understand it and

needed to do I don’t understand it and he’s so frustrated and so confused by

he’s so frustrated and so confused by

he’s so frustrated and so confused by this by this device and I think to

this by this device and I think to

this by this device and I think to myself why why is this happening what’s

myself why why is this happening what’s

myself why why is this happening what’s the problem and many of us today myself

the problem and many of us today myself

the problem and many of us today myself included feel this experience with our

included feel this experience with our

included feel this experience with our technology with our devices where we

technology with our devices where we

technology with our devices where we feel like it doesn’t understand us and

feel like it doesn’t understand us and

feel like it doesn’t understand us and we don’t understand it and it’s not that

we don’t understand it and it’s not that

we don’t understand it and it’s not that surprising if you think about it because

surprising if you think about it because

surprising if you think about it because to some extent it feels like there are

to some extent it feels like there are

to some extent it feels like there are these users of Technology which is

these users of Technology which is

these users of Technology which is actually that’s us and then there are

actually that’s us and then there are

actually that’s us and then there are the people who are making technology and

the people who are making technology and

the people who are making technology and in my case that sometimes it’s me also

in my case that sometimes it’s me also

in my case that sometimes it’s me also but there’s no bridge there’s no channel

but there’s no bridge there’s no channel

but there’s no bridge there’s no channel between the two of us to be able to have

between the two of us to be able to have

between the two of us to be able to have some sort of a dialogue back and forth

some sort of a dialogue back and forth

some sort of a dialogue back and forth no place for informal or common language

no place for informal or common language

no place for informal or common language and this is the issue that I want us to

and this is the issue that I want us to

and this is the issue that I want us to reflect on today

reflect on today

reflect on today why is there no channel and is there a

why is there no channel and is there a

why is there no channel and is there a way for us to forge one between these

way for us to forge one between these

way for us to forge one between these two communities who often are in a way

two communities who often are in a way

two communities who often are in a way working together constantly actually

working together constantly actually

working together constantly actually would it be possible for us to

would it be possible for us to

would it be possible for us to rethink ourselves as opposed to being

rethink ourselves as opposed to being

rethink ourselves as opposed to being these passive users just accepting

these passive users just accepting

these passive users just accepting what’s coming at us and instead be

what’s coming at us and instead be

what’s coming at us and instead be active participants demanding the

active participants demanding the

active participants demanding the ability to give input and reflect and

ability to give input and reflect and

ability to give input and reflect and wonder about the technology that’s being

wonder about the technology that’s being

wonder about the technology that’s being created and if we give that input in

created and if we give that input in

created and if we give that input in that thought could it be incorporated

that thought could it be incorporated

that thought could it be incorporated and then change the technology that

and then change the technology that

and then change the technology that we’re using every day and that’s

we’re using every day and that’s

we’re using every day and that’s actually shaping our experiences we see

actually shaping our experiences we see

actually shaping our experiences we see the potential of that kind of

the potential of that kind of

the potential of that kind of participation in our daily physical

participation in our daily physical

participation in our daily physical world every day maybe you you walk out

world every day maybe you you walk out

world every day maybe you you walk out out your door to your car to your bike

out your door to your car to your bike

out your door to your car to your bike and if that street that you’re walking

and if that street that you’re walking

and if that street that you’re walking out on to is let’s say starting to

out on to is let’s say starting to

out on to is let’s say starting to become quite full of potholes or really

become quite full of potholes or really

become quite full of potholes or really noisy you have an idea in mind about how

noisy you have an idea in mind about how

noisy you have an idea in mind about how you might say something back to to the

you might say something back to to the

you might say something back to to the system around you maybe it’s your local

system around you maybe it’s your local

system around you maybe it’s your local politician or someone else the point is

politician or someone else the point is

politician or someone else the point is you have an idea of how you can make

you have an idea of how you can make

you have an idea of how you can make change how you can participate as an

change how you can participate as an

change how you can participate as an active citizen in your physical world

active citizen in your physical world

active citizen in your physical world the system is kind of mapped out in your

the system is kind of mapped out in your

the system is kind of mapped out in your mind right but when you think of the

mind right but when you think of the

mind right but when you think of the digital services that you’re using every

digital services that you’re using every

digital services that you’re using every day or the devices that you’re

day or the devices that you’re

day or the devices that you’re constantly on I don’t know who who is

constantly on I don’t know who who is

constantly on I don’t know who who is behind them like who are the people what

behind them like who are the people what

behind them like who are the people what are their faces like who are who are

are their faces like who are who are

are their faces like who are who are actually making the changes that you are

actually making the changes that you are

actually making the changes that you are then experiencing so whereas in your

then experiencing so whereas in your

then experiencing so whereas in your physical world you might actually see

physical world you might actually see

physical world you might actually see the potholes being filled if you submit

the potholes being filled if you submit

the potholes being filled if you submit a complaint or if you somehow call

a complaint or if you somehow call

a complaint or if you somehow call attention to this issue in your digital

attention to this issue in your digital

attention to this issue in your digital world first of all who would you submit

world first of all who would you submit

world first of all who would you submit that position to ok beyond just an error

that position to ok beyond just an error

that position to ok beyond just an error or a complaint like that something more

or a complaint like that something more

or a complaint like that something more thoughtful who would you who would you

thoughtful who would you who would you

thoughtful who would you who would you talk to who is your elected

talk to who is your elected

talk to who is your elected representative

representative

representative who might speak on your behalf I don’t I

who might speak on your behalf I don’t I

who might speak on your behalf I don’t I don’t see any opportunity for us to have

don’t see any opportunity for us to have

don’t see any opportunity for us to have that kind of a dialogue at this moment

that kind of a dialogue at this moment

that kind of a dialogue at this moment but I want us to open that dialogue I

but I want us to open that dialogue I

but I want us to open that dialogue I want us to create this kind of channel

want us to create this kind of channel

want us to create this kind of channel between the two for a more informal

between the two for a more informal

between the two for a more informal thinking about how we might change

thinking about how we might change

thinking about how we might change technology and make it better for us for

technology and make it better for us for

technology and make it better for us for what we want instead of this kind of

what we want instead of this kind of

what we want instead of this kind of mysterious list of needs and wants that

mysterious list of needs and wants that

mysterious list of needs and wants that is not necessarily directly coming from

is not necessarily directly coming from

is not necessarily directly coming from you and me let’s imagine for a moment

you and me let’s imagine for a moment

you and me let’s imagine for a moment okay when when was the last moment that

okay when when was the last moment that

okay when when was the last moment that you actually observed a change happening

you actually observed a change happening

you actually observed a change happening in your technology do you remember it

in your technology do you remember it

in your technology do you remember it was probably something like an alert or

was probably something like an alert or

was probably something like an alert or an update that said you need to do this

an update that said you need to do this

an update that said you need to do this because otherwise this won’t work

because otherwise this won’t work

because otherwise this won’t work and if you looked underneath it maybe

and if you looked underneath it maybe

and if you looked underneath it maybe you saw a few details right like now

you saw a few details right like now

you saw a few details right like now things will be faster like okay yeah

things will be faster like okay yeah

things will be faster like okay yeah sure fine go back to making your dinner

sure fine go back to making your dinner

sure fine go back to making your dinner or whatever folding laundry you don’t

or whatever folding laundry you don’t

or whatever folding laundry you don’t want to deal with it it’s a distraction

want to deal with it it’s a distraction

want to deal with it it’s a distraction it’s not an invitation to actually

it’s not an invitation to actually

it’s not an invitation to actually contribute to participate in a dialogue

contribute to participate in a dialogue

contribute to participate in a dialogue about how this app or this service or

about how this app or this service or

about how this app or this service or this device is trying to change to

this device is trying to change to

this device is trying to change to improve your life it’s not an invitation

improve your life it’s not an invitation

improve your life it’s not an invitation rather it’s just kind of a push right do

rather it’s just kind of a push right do

rather it’s just kind of a push right do this now otherwise I don’t know so this

this now otherwise I don’t know so this

this now otherwise I don’t know so this is what I would like us to try to

is what I would like us to try to

is what I would like us to try to rethink together could we open up a

rethink together could we open up a

rethink together could we open up a space where we could have more like

space where we could have more like

space where we could have more like wondering about how things could be as

wondering about how things could be as

wondering about how things could be as opposed to simply having this change log

opposed to simply having this change log

opposed to simply having this change log which is currently a place where changes

which is currently a place where changes

which is currently a place where changes to our applications or services are

to our applications or services are

to our applications or services are documented this change log of kind of

documented this change log of kind of

documented this change log of kind of major updates or whatever not really in

major updates or whatever not really in

major updates or whatever not really in our language often could we have

our language often could we have

our language often could we have something like a wonder log where we are

something like a wonder log where we are

something like a wonder log where we are able to actually think more openly and

able to actually think more openly and

able to actually think more openly and say to one another Oh what if it were

say to one another Oh what if it were

say to one another Oh what if it were like this and that what if the creators

like this and that what if the creators

like this and that what if the creators of technology on their side could

of technology on their side could

of technology on their side could actually also just as openly and just as

actually also just as openly and just as

actually also just as openly and just as kind of honestly say hey we’re thinking

kind of honestly say hey we’re thinking

kind of honestly say hey we’re thinking about making this kind of a change or

about making this kind of a change or

about making this kind of a change or we’re wondering how this might affect

we’re wondering how this might affect

we’re wondering how this might affect your life what do you think could we

your life what do you think could we

your life what do you think could we open that up so that we’re not just

open that up so that we’re not just

open that up so that we’re not just accepting our technology as this this

accepting our technology as this this

accepting our technology as this this block of kind of chrome and and glass

block of kind of chrome and and glass

block of kind of chrome and and glass that were a bit afraid to touch because

that were a bit afraid to touch because

that were a bit afraid to touch because otherwise it might break or we’re super

otherwise it might break or we’re super

otherwise it might break or we’re super frustrated with because we don’t

frustrated with because we don’t

frustrated with because we don’t understand it instead could we think of

understand it instead could we think of

understand it instead could we think of it as this place where we could actually

it as this place where we could actually

it as this place where we could actually participate that we could form that we

participate that we could form that we

participate that we could form that we could shape that’s not finished in fact

could shape that’s not finished in fact

could shape that’s not finished in fact it’s quite unfinished and it’s

it’s quite unfinished and it’s

it’s quite unfinished and it’s constantly being remade and constantly

constantly being remade and constantly

constantly being remade and constantly being rethought but I want to invite all

being rethought but I want to invite all

being rethought but I want to invite all of us into that dialogue of rethinking

of us into that dialogue of rethinking

of us into that dialogue of rethinking so these are two projects that I would

so these are two projects that I would

so these are two projects that I would maybe put on our Wonder Log to start

maybe put on our Wonder Log to start

maybe put on our Wonder Log to start with and the first one is just a thought

with and the first one is just a thought

with and the first one is just a thought project with all of us so imagine that

project with all of us so imagine that

project with all of us so imagine that tonight you got home and you saw that

tonight you got home and you saw that

tonight you got home and you saw that Google Maps let’s say had just sent you

Google Maps let’s say had just sent you

Google Maps let’s say had just sent you an update now your ride will be smoother

an update now your ride will be smoother

an update now your ride will be smoother and you think to yourself okay great

and you think to yourself okay great

and you think to yourself okay great yeah yeah I’m gonna finish making dinner

yeah yeah I’m gonna finish making dinner

yeah yeah I’m gonna finish making dinner well what if instead you looked

well what if instead you looked

well what if instead you looked underneath it and it said something like

underneath it and it said something like

underneath it and it said something like your ride is gonna be smoother because

your ride is gonna be smoother because

your ride is gonna be smoother because we’re only gonna send you on paved roads

we’re only gonna send you on paved roads

we’re only gonna send you on paved roads okay how does that make you feel and

okay how does that make you feel and

okay how does that make you feel and just like take one moment to think about

just like take one moment to think about

just like take one moment to think about that is it okay with you

that is it okay with you

that is it okay with you could it be better is that actually the

could it be better is that actually the

could it be better is that actually the situation that you would like Google

situation that you would like Google

situation that you would like Google Maps to be working

Maps to be working

Maps to be working hard on for you only to send you on

hard on for you only to send you on

hard on for you only to send you on paved roads because for me sometimes I

paved roads because for me sometimes I

paved roads because for me sometimes I actually like to take the dirt road or

actually like to take the dirt road or

actually like to take the dirt road or the less traveled road or the more

the less traveled road or the more

the less traveled road or the more peaceful road and I think that I should

peaceful road and I think that I should

peaceful road and I think that I should have a way to control this application

have a way to control this application

have a way to control this application who is controlling which direction I

who is controlling which direction I

who is controlling which direction I know to take let’s say if I’m in an

know to take let’s say if I’m in an

know to take let’s say if I’m in an unknown City I’m just trying to get a

unknown City I’m just trying to get a

unknown City I’m just trying to get a feel for it

feel for it

feel for it what if that unknown City then the only

what if that unknown City then the only

what if that unknown City then the only way I’m navigating through it is on

way I’m navigating through it is on

way I’m navigating through it is on paved roads

paved roads

paved roads I see the same thing as everyone else

I see the same thing as everyone else

I see the same thing as everyone else will see right and is that okay with me

will see right and is that okay with me

will see right and is that okay with me maybe it is but I should think about it

maybe it is but I should think about it

maybe it is but I should think about it I think I should wonder about it so I’d

I think I should wonder about it so I’d

I think I should wonder about it so I’d like to add something like that to my

like to add something like that to my

like to add something like that to my wonder log then I’d like to share with

wonder log then I’d like to share with

wonder log then I’d like to share with you something called unfit bits which

you something called unfit bits which

you something called unfit bits which I’m going to propose we put on our

I’m going to propose we put on our

I’m going to propose we put on our wonder lock where you could actually

wonder lock where you could actually

wonder lock where you could actually attach your step counter like your

attach your step counter like your

attach your step counter like your Fitbit to a metronome or a pendulum or a

Fitbit to a metronome or a pendulum or a

Fitbit to a metronome or a pendulum or a power drill or a bicycle and you can see

power drill or a bicycle and you can see

power drill or a bicycle and you can see where we’re going with this right so in

where we’re going with this right so in

where we’re going with this right so in so doing you generate a huge amount of

so doing you generate a huge amount of

so doing you generate a huge amount of fake data that then makes you look like

fake data that then makes you look like

fake data that then makes you look like a fitness rockstar and you send that

a fitness rockstar and you send that

a fitness rockstar and you send that over to your healthcare insurance

over to your healthcare insurance

over to your healthcare insurance company who gives you great discounts

company who gives you great discounts

company who gives you great discounts and benefits and all the rest perfect

and benefits and all the rest perfect

and benefits and all the rest perfect right I’m not saying you all need to go

right I’m not saying you all need to go

right I’m not saying you all need to go buy unfit bits but what I’m suggesting

buy unfit bits but what I’m suggesting

buy unfit bits but what I’m suggesting and what I’m hopefully inspiring you to

and what I’m hopefully inspiring you to

and what I’m hopefully inspiring you to do is think about how our current

do is think about how our current

do is think about how our current technology is and think about how you

technology is and think about how you

technology is and think about how you might want it to be and how you might

might want it to be and how you might

might want it to be and how you might kind of expose these themes between the

kind of expose these themes between the

kind of expose these themes between the two another project objective fire

two another project objective fire

two another project objective fire allows you to control the world around

allows you to control the world around

allows you to control the world around you in the way that you want to

so when he opens his book his reading

so when he opens his book his reading light turns on when he closes that it

light turns on when he closes that it

light turns on when he closes that it turns off or he’s able to control his

turns off or he’s able to control his

turns off or he’s able to control his record player by and actually this is

record player by and actually this is

record player by and actually this is this is a real working product and again

this is a real working product and again

this is a real working product and again it’s not necessarily something that

it’s not necessarily something that

it’s not necessarily something that you’re about to go out and buy but it

you’re about to go out and buy but it

you’re about to go out and buy but it makes you think differently about the

makes you think differently about the

makes you think differently about the current existing technology that you’re

current existing technology that you’re

current existing technology that you’re using and how it fits into your life and

using and how it fits into your life and

using and how it fits into your life and whether it’s the experience that you

whether it’s the experience that you

whether it’s the experience that you actually want and if not maybe you could

actually want and if not maybe you could

actually want and if not maybe you could actually make your record player

actually make your record player

actually make your record player controllable by you know deejaying or

controllable by you know deejaying or

controllable by you know deejaying or whatever this guy is doing so this is

whatever this guy is doing so this is

whatever this guy is doing so this is what I’m hoping for you today that you

what I’m hoping for you today that you

what I’m hoping for you today that you think of yourself as being a participant

think of yourself as being a participant

think of yourself as being a participant in the technology that you use everyday

in the technology that you use everyday

in the technology that you use everyday as opposed to being a user and secondly

as opposed to being a user and secondly

as opposed to being a user and secondly that you think of the technology that

that you think of the technology that

that you think of the technology that you’re using as something that’s

you’re using as something that’s

you’re using as something that’s changeable that’s sculptable that can

changeable that’s sculptable that can

changeable that’s sculptable that can evolve and adapt according to who you

evolve and adapt according to who you

evolve and adapt according to who you are and what you need I heard that the

are and what you need I heard that the

are and what you need I heard that the Danish politicians fen Alcon said about

Danish politicians fen Alcon said about

Danish politicians fen Alcon said about politics

politics

politics don’t threaten to leave threaten to stay

don’t threaten to leave threaten to stay

don’t threaten to leave threaten to stay and I think we should do the same for

and I think we should do the same for

and I think we should do the same for technology we don’t have to leave let’s

technology we don’t have to leave let’s

technology we don’t have to leave let’s stay but let’s not just stay let’s

stay but let’s not just stay let’s

stay but let’s not just stay let’s notice let’s let’s actually become

notice let’s let’s actually become

notice let’s let’s actually become critical and not just critical but

critical and not just critical but

critical and not just critical but constructive and imaginative and wonder

constructive and imaginative and wonder

constructive and imaginative and wonder and then let’s add that to the Wonder

and then let’s add that to the Wonder

and then let’s add that to the Wonder Log

Log

Log thank you

thank you

thank you you

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