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Ranking students – a toxic system | Elizabeth Daves | TEDxLakeTravisHigh


no matter where they live what school

no matter where they live what school they go to or what grade they’re in

they go to or what grade they’re in

they go to or what grade they’re in every student gets into the typical

every student gets into the typical

every student gets into the typical school routine they go to school go to

school routine they go to school go to

school routine they go to school go to their different classes have hour-long

their different classes have hour-long

their different classes have hour-long lectures go home do some homework and

lectures go home do some homework and

lectures go home do some homework and then get up the next morning and do it

then get up the next morning and do it

then get up the next morning and do it all over again

all over again

all over again now they do this for about two to four

now they do this for about two to four

now they do this for about two to four weeks depending on the subject and the

weeks depending on the subject and the

weeks depending on the subject and the length of the unit and then they take a

length of the unit and then they take a

length of the unit and then they take a test and all the material that’s been

test and all the material that’s been

test and all the material that’s been covered let’s say that a hypothetical

covered let’s say that a hypothetical

covered let’s say that a hypothetical kid at one of these hypothetical schools

kid at one of these hypothetical schools

kid at one of these hypothetical schools gets a ninety on their test that’s

gets a ninety on their test that’s

gets a ninety on their test that’s pretty good they got an a their parents

pretty good they got an a their parents

pretty good they got an a their parents are happy their friends are jealous and

are happy their friends are jealous and

are happy their friends are jealous and the kid is happy for about one day until

the kid is happy for about one day until

the kid is happy for about one day until the next unit begins and the whole cycle

the next unit begins and the whole cycle

the next unit begins and the whole cycle starts over again but for the few kids

starts over again but for the few kids

starts over again but for the few kids at the top of an arbitrary list that 90

at the top of an arbitrary list that 90

at the top of an arbitrary list that 90 is the beginning of an end that 90 drops

is the beginning of an end that 90 drops

is the beginning of an end that 90 drops there great enough that they work

there great enough that they work

there great enough that they work themselves to the bone the next unit to

themselves to the bone the next unit to

themselves to the bone the next unit to get that elusive 100 to bring their

get that elusive 100 to bring their

get that elusive 100 to bring their grade back up this is the world that we

grade back up this is the world that we

grade back up this is the world that we live in this is the vicious cycle that

live in this is the vicious cycle that

live in this is the vicious cycle that keeps kids up late into the night

keeps kids up late into the night

keeps kids up late into the night studying hard for a grade that won’t

studying hard for a grade that won’t

studying hard for a grade that won’t change much this is the cycle that holds

change much this is the cycle that holds

change much this is the cycle that holds kids back from doing something that they

kids back from doing something that they

kids back from doing something that they love or even taking one regular class

love or even taking one regular class

love or even taking one regular class because it’ll drop their GPA and then

because it’ll drop their GPA and then

because it’ll drop their GPA and then they won’t get into a good enough

they won’t get into a good enough

they won’t get into a good enough college and then their entire future

college and then their entire future

college and then their entire future will fall apart and everything will be a

will fall apart and everything will be a

will fall apart and everything will be a downward spiral of fast food meals and

downward spiral of fast food meals and

downward spiral of fast food meals and long hours and three jobs just to pay

long hours and three jobs just to pay

long hours and three jobs just to pay for a crappy apartment on the wrong side

for a crappy apartment on the wrong side

for a crappy apartment on the wrong side of town right doesn’t getting a ninety

of town right doesn’t getting a ninety

of town right doesn’t getting a ninety on a test ruin a kid’s entire future no

on a test ruin a kid’s entire future no

on a test ruin a kid’s entire future no it doesn’t but the school systems that

it doesn’t but the school systems that

it doesn’t but the school systems that we employ today costumes to believe that

we employ today costumes to believe that

we employ today costumes to believe that to believe that everything they do is

to believe that everything they do is

to believe that everything they do is all for the perfect life that their

all for the perfect life that their

all for the perfect life that their parents dreamed it out for them but

parents dreamed it out for them but

parents dreamed it out for them but these systems

these systems

these systems actually caused everything to fall apart

actually caused everything to fall apart

actually caused everything to fall apart the problem with schools nowadays isn’t

the problem with schools nowadays isn’t

the problem with schools nowadays isn’t the teaching or the lack of funding it

the teaching or the lack of funding it

the teaching or the lack of funding it all comes down to two simple concepts

all comes down to two simple concepts

all comes down to two simple concepts GPA and class rank GPA or grade point

GPA and class rank GPA or grade point

GPA and class rank GPA or grade point average is a completely arbitrary system

average is a completely arbitrary system

average is a completely arbitrary system meant to calculate a student’s academic

meant to calculate a student’s academic

meant to calculate a student’s academic worth but really has little to do with

worth but really has little to do with

worth but really has little to do with the students actual measure of knowledge

the students actual measure of knowledge

the students actual measure of knowledge and intelligence and more to do with

and intelligence and more to do with

and intelligence and more to do with self-determination perseverance and

self-determination perseverance and

self-determination perseverance and knowledge of how to work the system a

knowledge of how to work the system a

knowledge of how to work the system a study done by Angela L Duckworth and

study done by Angela L Duckworth and

study done by Angela L Duckworth and Martin EP Seligman in 2005 found that

Martin EP Seligman in 2005 found that

Martin EP Seligman in 2005 found that the correlation between GPA and

the correlation between GPA and

the correlation between GPA and self-discipline was 67% more than twice

self-discipline was 67% more than twice

self-discipline was 67% more than twice the amount of correlation between GPA

the amount of correlation between GPA

the amount of correlation between GPA and intelligence which was about 32% not

and intelligence which was about 32% not

and intelligence which was about 32% not only that but the part of the brain

only that but the part of the brain

only that but the part of the brain associated with self discipline doesn’t

associated with self discipline doesn’t

associated with self discipline doesn’t even fully develop until around the age

even fully develop until around the age

even fully develop until around the age of 25 so not only does GPA not represent

of 25 so not only does GPA not represent

of 25 so not only does GPA not represent true academic achievement it actually

true academic achievement it actually

true academic achievement it actually reflects the skill that students can’t

reflects the skill that students can’t

reflects the skill that students can’t even fully master for another decade and

even fully master for another decade and

even fully master for another decade and it doesn’t even represent that as long

it doesn’t even represent that as long

it doesn’t even represent that as long as you know how to work the system when

as you know how to work the system when

as you know how to work the system when my older sister went through high school

my older sister went through high school

my older sister went through high school she took creative writing and theater

she took creative writing and theater

she took creative writing and theater because she wanted to and because she

because she wanted to and because she

because she wanted to and because she was interested in those things she

was interested in those things she

was interested in those things she graduated 10th in her class of around

graduated 10th in her class of around

graduated 10th in her class of around 540 and yet she did blame and still

540 and yet she did blame and still

540 and yet she did blame and still blames my parents were allowing her to

blames my parents were allowing her to

blames my parents were allowing her to take classes without the extra bump

take classes without the extra bump

take classes without the extra bump points that would have increased her GPA

points that would have increased her GPA

points that would have increased her GPA by the time I got to high school my

by the time I got to high school my

by the time I got to high school my older siblings had already planned

older siblings had already planned

older siblings had already planned everything out for me I’ve known what

everything out for me I’ve known what

everything out for me I’ve known what classes I would be taking in high school

classes I would be taking in high school

classes I would be taking in high school since I was 11

since I was 11

since I was 11 even before middle school because what a

even before middle school because what a

even before middle school because what a high GPA really means is maximizing the

high GPA really means is maximizing the

high GPA really means is maximizing the amount of AP pre AP and honors classes

amount of AP pre AP and honors classes

amount of AP pre AP and honors classes that you take not how well you do in

that you take not how well you do in

that you take not how well you do in them now I was really shocked when I

them now I was really shocked when I

them now I was really shocked when I learned that some of my really smart

learned that some of my really smart

learned that some of my really smart friends were taking regular classes

friends were taking regular classes

friends were taking regular classes because they didn’t want to have to deal

because they didn’t want to have to deal

because they didn’t want to have to deal with the enormous amounts of work that

with the enormous amounts of work that

with the enormous amounts of work that rigorous classes assign I was shocked

rigorous classes assign I was shocked

rigorous classes assign I was shocked because how

because how

because how two older siblings I know that to even

two older siblings I know that to even

two older siblings I know that to even have a shot at valedictorian regular

have a shot at valedictorian regular

have a shot at valedictorian regular classes were out of the question

classes were out of the question

classes were out of the question and anyone who knows this can easily

and anyone who knows this can easily

and anyone who knows this can easily find ways to cheat the system for

find ways to cheat the system for

find ways to cheat the system for instance taking easier AP classes for

instance taking easier AP classes for

instance taking easier AP classes for the bump points and not taking classes

the bump points and not taking classes

the bump points and not taking classes that seem fun or interesting or that

that seem fun or interesting or that

that seem fun or interesting or that you’re passionate about because those

you’re passionate about because those

you’re passionate about because those classes don’t help your GPA in fact the

classes don’t help your GPA in fact the

classes don’t help your GPA in fact the entire system of ranking kids based on

entire system of ranking kids based on

entire system of ranking kids based on GPA is a toxic system that pits kids

GPA is a toxic system that pits kids

GPA is a toxic system that pits kids against one another and turns academics

against one another and turns academics

against one another and turns academics into a noxious competitive sport that

into a noxious competitive sport that

into a noxious competitive sport that changes how kids view the concept of

changes how kids view the concept of

changes how kids view the concept of academic integrity because of class rank

academic integrity because of class rank

academic integrity because of class rank students who care enough to let

students who care enough to let

students who care enough to let themselves fall into the vicious cult of

themselves fall into the vicious cult of

themselves fall into the vicious cult of GPA will do anything to get a leg up on

GPA will do anything to get a leg up on

GPA will do anything to get a leg up on the person ahead of them the importance

the person ahead of them the importance

the person ahead of them the importance of academic integrity falls far below

of academic integrity falls far below

of academic integrity falls far below the importance of getting the right

the importance of getting the right

the importance of getting the right grade the right rank the perfect GPA in

grade the right rank the perfect GPA in

grade the right rank the perfect GPA in the past the students who cheated their

the past the students who cheated their

the past the students who cheated their way through high school were the ones

way through high school were the ones

way through high school were the ones who are struggling to get by nowadays

who are struggling to get by nowadays

who are struggling to get by nowadays the stigma of cheating has fallen

the stigma of cheating has fallen

the stigma of cheating has fallen drastically as more and more top

drastically as more and more top

drastically as more and more top students use cheating as a way to get

students use cheating as a way to get

students use cheating as a way to get the slightest increase in GPA in the

the slightest increase in GPA in the

the slightest increase in GPA in the 1940s about 20% of college students

1940s about 20% of college students

1940s about 20% of college students admitted to cheating in high school

admitted to cheating in high school

admitted to cheating in high school in modern times between 75 and 98

in modern times between 75 and 98

in modern times between 75 and 98 percent of college students each year

percent of college students each year

percent of college students each year admitted to cheating in high school

admitted to cheating in high school

admitted to cheating in high school studies have shown that the main reason

studies have shown that the main reason

studies have shown that the main reason for cheating is because of the intense

for cheating is because of the intense

for cheating is because of the intense pressure to get a good grade cheating

pressure to get a good grade cheating

pressure to get a good grade cheating can even begin as early as preschool

can even begin as early as preschool

can even begin as early as preschool when kids break rules to win competitive

when kids break rules to win competitive

when kids break rules to win competitive games academic cheating usually sets in

games academic cheating usually sets in

games academic cheating usually sets in around middle school according to a

around middle school according to a

around middle school according to a recent study of middle schoolers

recent study of middle schoolers

recent study of middle schoolers two-thirds admitted to cheating on exams

two-thirds admitted to cheating on exams

two-thirds admitted to cheating on exams while 9/10 admitted to copying someone

while 9/10 admitted to copying someone

while 9/10 admitted to copying someone else’s homework in 1998 80% of the

else’s homework in 1998 80% of the

else’s homework in 1998 80% of the country’s top student

country’s top student

country’s top student admitted to cheating to get to the top

admitted to cheating to get to the top

admitted to cheating to get to the top of their class and more than half of

of their class and more than half of

of their class and more than half of them reported that they didn’t even

them reported that they didn’t even

them reported that they didn’t even think cheating was that big of a deal

think cheating was that big of a deal

think cheating was that big of a deal kids feel the pressure to get better

kids feel the pressure to get better

kids feel the pressure to get better grades in order to cinch that extra

grades in order to cinch that extra

grades in order to cinch that extra hundredth of a GPA point or to move up

hundredth of a GPA point or to move up

hundredth of a GPA point or to move up one place in their class rank this

one place in their class rank this

one place in their class rank this unhealthy system destroys the morals and

unhealthy system destroys the morals and

unhealthy system destroys the morals and integrity of kids in schools across the

integrity of kids in schools across the

integrity of kids in schools across the country now besides that there’s a much

country now besides that there’s a much

country now besides that there’s a much bigger problem with the practice of

bigger problem with the practice of

bigger problem with the practice of ranking kids against one another every

ranking kids against one another every

ranking kids against one another every teacher principal board member or anyone

teacher principal board member or anyone

teacher principal board member or anyone else in any way related to the education

else in any way related to the education

else in any way related to the education of children has to ask themselves a

of children has to ask themselves a

of children has to ask themselves a simple question is the purpose of school

simple question is the purpose of school

simple question is the purpose of school to develop or select the talent of

to develop or select the talent of

to develop or select the talent of children class rank is a system that

children class rank is a system that

children class rank is a system that falls neatly under the select talent

falls neatly under the select talent

falls neatly under the select talent category it chooses the student that is

category it chooses the student that is

category it chooses the student that is the best of the best

the best of the best

the best of the best typically by only a fraction of a GPA

typically by only a fraction of a GPA

typically by only a fraction of a GPA point now the best way to maximize

point now the best way to maximize

point now the best way to maximize differences between students is by poor

differences between students is by poor

differences between students is by poor teaching now it seems crazy well in

teaching now it seems crazy well in

teaching now it seems crazy well in order to rank kids based on a point

order to rank kids based on a point

order to rank kids based on a point system you have to be able to find

system you have to be able to find

system you have to be able to find enough differences in the points to

enough differences in the points to

enough differences in the points to declare a winner and the best way to

declare a winner and the best way to

declare a winner and the best way to maximize the differences is by teaching

maximize the differences is by teaching

maximize the differences is by teaching kids as poorly as possible because if

kids as poorly as possible because if

kids as poorly as possible because if kids aren’t taught much and what they

kids aren’t taught much and what they

kids aren’t taught much and what they are taught is vague and incomplete and

are taught is vague and incomplete and

are taught is vague and incomplete and meaningless most kids won’t learn most

meaningless most kids won’t learn most

meaningless most kids won’t learn most kids need the guidance of a teacher to

kids need the guidance of a teacher to

kids need the guidance of a teacher to help them fulfill their potential a few

help them fulfill their potential a few

help them fulfill their potential a few kids are either intelligent enough or

kids are either intelligent enough or

kids are either intelligent enough or hard-working enough to not really need a

hard-working enough to not really need a

hard-working enough to not really need a teacher for those kids a teacher is like

teacher for those kids a teacher is like

teacher for those kids a teacher is like a decorative lamp it has its uses but

a decorative lamp it has its uses but

a decorative lamp it has its uses but most of the time it’s kind of just there

most of the time it’s kind of just there

most of the time it’s kind of just there for those kids

for those kids

for those kids they don’t need a teacher they kept by

they don’t need a teacher they kept by

they don’t need a teacher they kept by on their own natural talent anyway so

on their own natural talent anyway so

on their own natural talent anyway so the skill if the teacher doesn’t matter

the skill if the teacher doesn’t matter

the skill if the teacher doesn’t matter but those kids are a fraction of the

but those kids are a fraction of the

but those kids are a fraction of the entire student population what it really

entire student population what it really

entire student population what it really turns into is giving five or six kids a

turns into is giving five or six kids a

turns into is giving five or six kids a leg up to get into the best colleges and

leg up to get into the best colleges and

leg up to get into the best colleges and giving the rest of the kids a terrible

giving the rest of the kids a terrible

giving the rest of the kids a terrible education and even those five or six

education and even those five or six

education and even those five or six kids would benefit from better teaching

kids would benefit from better teaching

kids would benefit from better teaching so if the purpose of school is to select

so if the purpose of school is to select

so if the purpose of school is to select talent then by all means keep glass rank

talent then by all means keep glass rank

talent then by all means keep glass rank continuous system that pits a small

continuous system that pits a small

continuous system that pits a small bunch of equally intelligent kids

bunch of equally intelligent kids

bunch of equally intelligent kids against each other and gives the rest of

against each other and gives the rest of

against each other and gives the rest of the kids a terrible education but if you

the kids a terrible education but if you

the kids a terrible education but if you decide that the purpose of school is to

decide that the purpose of school is to

decide that the purpose of school is to develop talent then do that take the

develop talent then do that take the

develop talent then do that take the time to teach every kid the way they

time to teach every kid the way they

time to teach every kid the way they need to be taught

need to be taught

need to be taught give every kid the understanding that

give every kid the understanding that

give every kid the understanding that they deserve the purpose of education is

they deserve the purpose of education is

they deserve the purpose of education is to teach not turn academics into a

to teach not turn academics into a

to teach not turn academics into a bidding war for colleges so let’s do

bidding war for colleges so let’s do

bidding war for colleges so let’s do that let’s turn our backs on the

that let’s turn our backs on the

that let’s turn our backs on the arbitrary systems of selecting talent

arbitrary systems of selecting talent

arbitrary systems of selecting talent and instead use our skills to develop

and instead use our skills to develop

and instead use our skills to develop talent because being human means

talent because being human means

talent because being human means deserving of a full education thank you

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