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O poder do diálogo e perdão | Matheus Leitão | TEDxNovaLima


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you would forgive the torturer of your

parents

a man who beat his father for days

in one room only had a chair that in

certain moment made a move

macabre to command a Russian roulette with

screams and shoots one two three times

you would forgive the man who put your

mother in a dark room with a jiboia with

cruelly to take all

her clothing leaving an animal naked for

an indefinite time

you would forgive the man that even being

friend of your parents

the trail and it took them this time of pain and

suffering

these were some of the issues that

chased after deciding to go after the

my family’s story

due to the military dictatorship and today I go

tell a little of this story to

You my parents separated had

was four years old and had never

image of the two together as well as couple

you see

it was as if I was instigated by my

Curiosity I need to know how these

two started how these two stayed

together I could never imagine is that

I discovered a story so intense

mixed military regime here in the

Brazil

that’s why you have small children

they are thinking of separating care

can through the history of

You are my part of the story.

begins in 1989 at the age of 12 years of my

father called me to a solemn conversation

at least for me it seemed so solemn

he told me that he and my mother had

been arrested in the dictatorship the word torture

for me the worst of the nouns was not

mentioned that day but he revealed

that they were only arrested because the man

What did you call to participate in a party?

clandestine against the dictatorship who

was the leader the boss commented

the trail delivering their name

military without having suffered no problems

was a suspected leader who became a traitor

this man is a great man was

He who gave the name to my parents

for the purpose of combating the dictatorship and

my father the journalist marcelo netto

it was called matheus matheus was

The moment my name was born, it was ready.

history caught me once when he

told me that nothing caught me but the

removed more but let’s go back in time

My parents were arrested in December

1972 and were taken to the 38th

battalion of infantry in victory in

holy spirit where they were tortured

they had never taken up arms in the

fight against the dictatorship is

It is important to say that no one there

victory took up arms against the

dictatorship

their actions against the regime had

been making panfletagens graffiti

meetings student strikes

theater with classic castro verses

alves

my search for this régis rapporteur

of saints is their name

of my life not even know

he had done nothing against me he did not

did nothing directly to me and my

parents

It hurt me in some way like I did.

It was like I needed to know why

my mother the journalist miriam pig

she was tortured pregnant at age 19

because of this betrayal I had anger

sometimes when I was younger I

I cried, I want to tell you that

I thought about it and when I stayed

older

I will become a journalist coincidentally or

not in the area of ​​human rights in

dictatorship

I discovered that the denunciation of the Fed

fred’s betrayal does not influence the

family she had the edge of history

of Brazil

more than 30 people were arrested by

account of the delation some died as

the former federal deputy lincon lamb

west to turn a story

Long a short 25 years later will me

count on full betrayal

The landing in victory brings a clue

saturday fred he had a virtue he

disappeared no one has ever encountered him

and I went to the address I got there

he was not there but the locals

tell some stories

including conflict

in a nutshell he was not

a good neighbor and he sends me the

interior of Brazil in a rural area and

they said look probably there you

will find on a site in some

moments of our life we ​​need

Friends, I was so lucky.

Eduard the documentary filmmaker who went with me

I was even in the mood

but you know that finding a site

in a large rural area of ​​the

Brazil

we have to knock from door to door

from door to door from door to door

no kidding we were about 50

people and even so the thing ran away a

little of my control

fled from what I had dreamed of

planned

the scene felt the sun was setting the

near the headquarters of the Fed is in the

fire and me and Eduardo coming near the

His house and I talking to Eduardo more

we will reach 40 years after the

betrayal of the face

at night to ask these questions

Guys, we’re going to do it.

I arrived and I asked all the questions that

I wanted to do

including the most important, but the

job does not always make the man do his

marcel farm always clean the marcelo

is was part of the power but delivered on

half of him I had that in the end was

written but not

is not only the codename presence also

the matthew is marcelo reached by the

moment of a mile moment history

never close that wants to download the

fuck where one day and the next he

He gave me these conditions

after the moment, I think about this

conversation when I asked him if he

he had preferred his accuser than

A hero, he almost pushes me out of the house.

an inexplicable country has taken over

of this blue-walled house and he

decided to admit everything, not only that I have

my parents but who delivered several

young people who led people to

death that carried this burden to life

whole stigma of a pardon says

to take this request for forgiveness to the

my parents

It knows everything has changed after not that I

I agreed to the account with the

things he was saying but he was

as if his story for the first time

For me, the beginning of the middle and the

when I left his house I realized

that I had a link a bond with Fred

I had transformed the bearer of the

request for his forgiveness for an entire

generation something I never imagined

when I started this search

the conam

all right

foot

stay with him find a friend told me

said he now admitted tite asked

pardon

I took this apology to

all those six political prisoners

they said mateus look what he did not

have forgiveness

others said mateus who never missed

I forgive another, said mateus

I forgive but I do not want to live with this

human being rest of my life my

Mom told me she needed some time.

after a few months I came to

to say that he had forgiven

My father is preparing the request for

forgiveness to this day but what is

the forgiveness

the French, since he must give it to him

treats even what is considered

unforgivable for him to forgive is not

forget but have lived the memory of the

evil committed to philosopher hannah arendt

says it’s not necessary, it’s not

necessarily excuse any act

but reconcile with the world in the

What were these things possible?

including torture German Theodor

adorno says that this thing of elaborating the

past has not been taken seriously.

that we want to forget if possible

Memory scratching the world had a great

example is related to forgiveness in

last decades

nelson mandela was imprisoned 27 years in a

cell is just when he left

motivated by forgiveness for the dialogue he

led the reconciliation of his people

I’ve been thinking a lot about forgiveness.

including biblical texts such as

story of Joseph who is betrayed by

siblings sold as a slave and many

years later he finds the strength to

forgive them in another circumstance

maybe the pardon is that there has been

memory of evil committed more in peace

The problem of Brazil, Brazil decided

deny unlike countries like

South Africa decided to risk

memory even admits that these

things happen

the story of my family ‘s smallest

She is less important and I do not speak

Keep your mouth out

the pain of the family of those who died

the pain of the family of those who never

they buried their loved ones

even to this day is much greater than

on my screen

My parents, they went deep.

marked and undeniable but they

survived and even in stories

smaller like us

some answers are linked

I asked to enter the place where my

parents were arrested and tortured in the

was refused to ask to enter another

where my father was placed in the

following circumstances

notes a lonely without the right to

sunbathing

night night off day for those

offer was denied

I asked to have access to the newsletter

internal document, a specific document

records entry of all military personnel

who entered the barracks where they were

healed

I asked to know if three soldiers

specific

entered the bulletin were registered

foot

they said that the document bore

Personal information denied me

even with the law of access to

information even so long after

I started this talk asking you.

pardon the torturer of his parents a

the Brazilian state does not want this

discussion is carried out.

I’ve been face to face with torturer

of my parents

one of them because I decided to make a

my personal investigation

own account and even with all the

evidence suggesting an investigation

he denied that he was there

document the internal bulletin he would do

ample proof of his entry into the site but

remains far from the public eye this

document remains far from the look of

families

when you get what happened when you deny

the documents of the families the state

Brazilian prevents one day from knowing

forgiveness can be elaborated in the

as it has to be with all

table information is undeniable.

importance of the armed forces knows

are they now in places

we were this continental country keeping

our borders are the ones that come

help us when the acute attacks of

security to reach our cities

this has happened they recurrently

which recently occurred in the crisis

penitentiary but they erred

profoundly during the military dictatorship

the barracks were built to

protect others not to torture

kill and hide the prisoner’s corpse

political an apology

the request for forgiveness that never happened

it is essential for us to

maybe one day

close a chapter of our story

You know I do not pretend to speak

that for all the children of former prisoners

Brazilian politicians

But I’ve been told that I ‘m already the

second generation waiting for this request

of apologies that my children did not

have to wait for the request for

Excuses for various countries have passed

by situations of internal conflicts

caused by left-wing governments or

right-wing

the difference how each deals with

its sequels after Brazil resolved

deny at the end of this walk

I’m sitting on a bench

waiting for a person that I wanted

open dialogue bank knows the

forgiveness it can be granted it can

be denied it can be elaborated by

for many years is a personal decision but

it can only be built through the

dialogue a dialogue that for me still

Missing happening in Brazil

That’s what I learned in my search.

It is thanks

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