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Hey I just want to tell you I’m very

I just want to tell you I’m very

I just want to tell you I’m very grateful and honored to be here today

grateful and honored to be here today

grateful and honored to be here today there was a lot of people in my life

there was a lot of people in my life

there was a lot of people in my life that told me I’d never be here you see

that told me I’d never be here you see

that told me I’d never be here you see I’m convicted 25 times over of substance

I’m convicted 25 times over of substance

I’m convicted 25 times over of substance use disorder convictions I’m also a high

use disorder convictions I’m also a high

use disorder convictions I’m also a high school dropout but I’m also a lot of

school dropout but I’m also a lot of

school dropout but I’m also a lot of other things today and that’s what we’re

other things today and that’s what we’re

other things today and that’s what we’re here to talk about philosophers have

here to talk about philosophers have

here to talk about philosophers have said momentum first requires expending

said momentum first requires expending

said momentum first requires expending one unit ten units of energy to yield

one unit ten units of energy to yield

one unit ten units of energy to yield one unit of results after a while your

one unit of results after a while your

one unit of results after a while your momentum begins to build on itself and

momentum begins to build on itself and

momentum begins to build on itself and it creates 10 units of results with one

it creates 10 units of results with one

it creates 10 units of results with one unit of energy this principle works both

unit of energy this principle works both

unit of energy this principle works both ways unfortunately I’m going to talk

ways unfortunately I’m going to talk

ways unfortunately I’m going to talk about criminal justice reform substance

about criminal justice reform substance

about criminal justice reform substance use disorder and the impacts on recovery

use disorder and the impacts on recovery

use disorder and the impacts on recovery on a nationwide scale I’m going to talk

on a nationwide scale I’m going to talk

on a nationwide scale I’m going to talk about my personal anecdotal experience

about my personal anecdotal experience

about my personal anecdotal experience with this and then I’m going to back up

with this and then I’m going to back up

with this and then I’m going to back up to a 30,000 foot view and address it as

to a 30,000 foot view and address it as

to a 30,000 foot view and address it as a societal issue this issue is now the

a societal issue this issue is now the

a societal issue this issue is now the number one public health crisis and

number one public health crisis and

number one public health crisis and criminal justice issue in the country it

criminal justice issue in the country it

criminal justice issue in the country it is the number one killer of young people

is the number one killer of young people

is the number one killer of young people and last year alone it took the lives of

and last year alone it took the lives of

and last year alone it took the lives of over 64 thousand young Americans I share

over 64 thousand young Americans I share

over 64 thousand young Americans I share my story to show others that nothing is

my story to show others that nothing is

my story to show others that nothing is impossible to a willing heart even with

impossible to a willing heart even with

impossible to a willing heart even with the deck stacked against you I share it

the deck stacked against you I share it

the deck stacked against you I share it for the guys still sitting in the 8×8

for the guys still sitting in the 8×8

for the guys still sitting in the 8×8 cell who doesn’t think that he has a

cell who doesn’t think that he has a

cell who doesn’t think that he has a chance of ever making a life of ever

chance of ever making a life of ever

chance of ever making a life of ever being anything

being anything

being anything I share my story because there’s 30

I share my story because there’s 30

I share my story because there’s 30 million people in this country suffering

million people in this country suffering

million people in this country suffering from substance use disorder it affects

from substance use disorder it affects

from substance use disorder it affects everything around us whether we know

everything around us whether we know

everything around us whether we know about it or not I’m here to tell the

about it or not I’m here to tell the

about it or not I’m here to tell the fellow substance use disorder sufferer

fellow substance use disorder sufferer

fellow substance use disorder sufferer that you’re not a bad person trying to

that you’re not a bad person trying to

that you’re not a bad person trying to get good you’re a sick person trying to

get good you’re a sick person trying to

get good you’re a sick person trying to get well the labeling theory in

get well the labeling theory in

get well the labeling theory in sociology and criminology tells us that

sociology and criminology tells us that

sociology and criminology tells us that if society tells someone they are

if society tells someone they are

if society tells someone they are something long enough they start to

something long enough they start to

something long enough they start to think that way and behave accordingly

think that way and behave accordingly

think that way and behave accordingly we’re creating a new momentum here we’re

we’re creating a new momentum here we’re

we’re creating a new momentum here we’re going to love you until you can learn to

going to love you until you can learn to

going to love you until you can learn to love yourself

love yourself

love yourself my journey should not be the exception

my journey should not be the exception

my journey should not be the exception it should be the rule I started using

it should be the rule I started using

it should be the rule I started using chemicals very young my father was

chemicals very young my father was

chemicals very young my father was killed in a boating accident when I was

killed in a boating accident when I was

killed in a boating accident when I was 8 weeks old and what studies have shown

8 weeks old and what studies have shown

8 weeks old and what studies have shown is that there’s a large correlation

is that there’s a large correlation

is that there’s a large correlation between childhood trauma and substance

between childhood trauma and substance

between childhood trauma and substance use disorder I also mentioned I started

use disorder I also mentioned I started

use disorder I also mentioned I started using very young there’s also huge

using very young there’s also huge

using very young there’s also huge correlations between the younger someone

correlations between the younger someone

correlations between the younger someone starts using substances and their

starts using substances and their

starts using substances and their chances of developing addiction I

chances of developing addiction I

chances of developing addiction I started getting in trouble at a very

started getting in trouble at a very

started getting in trouble at a very young age I was arrested and convicted

young age I was arrested and convicted

young age I was arrested and convicted as an adult at 16 years old from theirs

as an adult at 16 years old from theirs

as an adult at 16 years old from theirs things began to spiral out of control I

things began to spiral out of control I

things began to spiral out of control I knew from the very first time I ingested

knew from the very first time I ingested

knew from the very first time I ingested chemicals that I wasn’t like other

chemicals that I wasn’t like other

chemicals that I wasn’t like other people I didn’t handle it the same way

people I didn’t handle it the same way

people I didn’t handle it the same way my friends did yet I still wanted to try

my friends did yet I still wanted to try

my friends did yet I still wanted to try to fit in I chased that too a lot of

to fit in I chased that too a lot of

to fit in I chased that too a lot of damaging consequences once you have a

damaging consequences once you have a

damaging consequences once you have a record in the criminal justice system

record in the criminal justice system

record in the criminal justice system it’s very hard to get out of that trap

it’s very hard to get out of that trap

it’s very hard to get out of that trap you begin to get wrapped up in arrests

you begin to get wrapped up in arrests

you begin to get wrapped up in arrests probation fees fines it all builds on

probation fees fines it all builds on

probation fees fines it all builds on itself in a cyclical nature until you

itself in a cyclical nature until you

itself in a cyclical nature until you can’t get out I’m going to tell a story

can’t get out I’m going to tell a story

can’t get out I’m going to tell a story about a time I was locked up in a metro

about a time I was locked up in a metro

about a time I was locked up in a metro Atlanta jail I had been given 6 months

Atlanta jail I had been given 6 months

Atlanta jail I had been given 6 months for a public drunk I was going through

for a public drunk I was going through

for a public drunk I was going through what the medical community knows is DTS

what the medical community knows is DTS

what the medical community knows is DTS delirium tremens I was pepper-sprayed

delirium tremens I was pepper-sprayed

delirium tremens I was pepper-sprayed stripped beaten and thrown into solitary

stripped beaten and thrown into solitary

stripped beaten and thrown into solitary confinement

confinement

confinement also known as the whole to shake it out

also known as the whole to shake it out

also known as the whole to shake it out I should have been taken to the hospital

I should have been taken to the hospital

I should have been taken to the hospital and given medical content to stop this

and given medical content to stop this

and given medical content to stop this momentum it took me completely leaving

momentum it took me completely leaving

momentum it took me completely leaving Atlanta and coming over to Mississippi

Atlanta and coming over to Mississippi

Atlanta and coming over to Mississippi my great grandmother was from Fulton

my great grandmother was from Fulton

my great grandmother was from Fulton Mississippi and there was an abandoned

Mississippi and there was an abandoned

Mississippi and there was an abandoned house there that my grandmother let me

house there that my grandmother let me

house there that my grandmother let me move into with practically nothing I

move into with practically nothing I

move into with practically nothing I came over with a garbage bag full of

came over with a garbage bag full of

came over with a garbage bag full of clothes and a television set didn’t have

clothes and a television set didn’t have

clothes and a television set didn’t have any heat the first winter but I was able

any heat the first winter but I was able

any heat the first winter but I was able to enroll in a community college and I

to enroll in a community college and I

to enroll in a community college and I found some people that took me in they

found some people that took me in they

found some people that took me in they gave me a chance at an education then I

gave me a chance at an education then I

gave me a chance at an education then I met some more men who showed me what

met some more men who showed me what

met some more men who showed me what recovery was and had stories similar to

recovery was and had stories similar to

recovery was and had stories similar to mine they too loved me until I could

mine they too loved me until I could

mine they too loved me until I could learn to love myself I found that I

learn to love myself I found that I

learn to love myself I found that I could strive in academia I earned a 4.0

could strive in academia I earned a 4.0

could strive in academia I earned a 4.0 I made the President’s List every

I made the President’s List every

I made the President’s List every semester I was fortunate enough to

semester I was fortunate enough to

semester I was fortunate enough to receive a lucky day scholarship to the

receive a lucky day scholarship to the

receive a lucky day scholarship to the University of Mississippi it’s for

University of Mississippi it’s for

University of Mississippi it’s for indigent individuals they give about 25

indigent individuals they give about 25

indigent individuals they give about 25 out in the state every year I was able

out in the state every year I was able

out in the state every year I was able to go to undergrad on a full-ride I also

to go to undergrad on a full-ride I also

to go to undergrad on a full-ride I also was able to get into the Honors College

was able to get into the Honors College

was able to get into the Honors College here Ole Miss I granted I’m 30 years old

here Ole Miss I granted I’m 30 years old

here Ole Miss I granted I’m 30 years old and I was speaking with someone from the

and I was speaking with someone from the

and I was speaking with someone from the recover or the Honors College and I told

recover or the Honors College and I told

recover or the Honors College and I told her he said you should try out for the

her he said you should try out for the

her he said you should try out for the Honors College I said man I’m a high

Honors College I said man I’m a high

Honors College I said man I’m a high school dropout I could never do that he

school dropout I could never do that he

school dropout I could never do that he said you should try so I tried and I

said you should try so I tried and I

said you should try so I tried and I made it I also failed to mention shortly

made it I also failed to mention shortly

made it I also failed to mention shortly before that my best friend died of a

before that my best friend died of a

before that my best friend died of a heroin overdose his three year old his

heroin overdose his three year old his

heroin overdose his three year old his five year old found him I made a

five year old found him I made a

five year old found him I made a decision while in the Honors College to

decision while in the Honors College to

decision while in the Honors College to not be silent about my recovery anymore

not be silent about my recovery anymore

not be silent about my recovery anymore so I decided to write my honors thesis

so I decided to write my honors thesis

so I decided to write my honors thesis on rehabilitation verse incarceration

on rehabilitation verse incarceration

on rehabilitation verse incarceration for nonviolent substance use offenders

for nonviolent substance use offenders

for nonviolent substance use offenders and it took back the administration a

and it took back the administration a

and it took back the administration a little bit there were nobody had really

little bit there were nobody had really

little bit there were nobody had really talked about this before here especially

talked about this before here especially

talked about this before here especially in the Honors College but I decided to

in the Honors College but I decided to

in the Honors College but I decided to be open because I was afraid of what

be open because I was afraid of what

be open because I was afraid of what might happen if I did

might happen if I did

might happen if I did I graduated magna laude from the

I graduated magna laude from the

I graduated magna laude from the Honors College Phi Beta Kappa top of my

Honors College Phi Beta Kappa top of my

Honors College Phi Beta Kappa top of my class I went to law school to try and

class I went to law school to try and

class I went to law school to try and pay back into a system that I was there

pay back into a system that I was there

pay back into a system that I was there was such a big part of my life while in

was such a big part of my life while in

was such a big part of my life while in law school I had many opportunities I

law school I had many opportunities I

law school I had many opportunities I was appointed to the governor’s opiate

was appointed to the governor’s opiate

was appointed to the governor’s opiate task force here in Mississippi with the

task force here in Mississippi with the

task force here in Mississippi with the Mississippi Bureau narcotics I received

Mississippi Bureau narcotics I received

Mississippi Bureau narcotics I received an internship – one of the top criminal

an internship – one of the top criminal

an internship – one of the top criminal defense programs in Bronx that

defense programs in Bronx that

defense programs in Bronx that specializes in holistic criminal defense

specializes in holistic criminal defense

specializes in holistic criminal defense approaches and I was also published and

approaches and I was also published and

approaches and I was also published and one of the top criminal law journals in

one of the top criminal law journals in

one of the top criminal law journals in the country on these concepts that I’m

the country on these concepts that I’m

the country on these concepts that I’m sharing with you today we’ve not always

sharing with you today we’ve not always

sharing with you today we’ve not always done things this way before 1970 the

done things this way before 1970 the

done things this way before 1970 the longest sentence anyone ever served for

longest sentence anyone ever served for

longest sentence anyone ever served for a drug crime was one year we had the

a drug crime was one year we had the

a drug crime was one year we had the Controlled Substances Act come into

Controlled Substances Act come into

Controlled Substances Act come into effect in 1974 a lot of different

effect in 1974 a lot of different

effect in 1974 a lot of different reasons that I can’t go into right now

reasons that I can’t go into right now

reasons that I can’t go into right now but the ramifications have been huge

but the ramifications have been huge

but the ramifications have been huge since then drug possession has become a

since then drug possession has become a

since then drug possession has become a felony five percent we now incarcerate

felony five percent we now incarcerate

felony five percent we now incarcerate over 25% of the world’s prison

over 25% of the world’s prison

over 25% of the world’s prison population while the United States only

population while the United States only

population while the United States only makes up 5% of the world’s population

makes up 5% of the world’s population

makes up 5% of the world’s population this is up 700 percent in 40 years over

this is up 700 percent in 40 years over

this is up 700 percent in 40 years over 80% of the people behind bars suffer

80% of the people behind bars suffer

80% of the people behind bars suffer from substance use disorder or other

from substance use disorder or other

from substance use disorder or other co-occurring disorders sixty percent of

co-occurring disorders sixty percent of

co-occurring disorders sixty percent of the people that are released

the people that are released

the people that are released wind up reoffending within three years

most of these people aren’t really vile

most of these people aren’t really vile a shion’s and what I mean by technical

a shion’s and what I mean by technical

a shion’s and what I mean by technical violations is a failed urine screen

violations is a failed urine screen

violations is a failed urine screen failure to pay failure to be somewhere

failure to pay failure to be somewhere

failure to pay failure to be somewhere because you don’t have a driver’s

because you don’t have a driver’s

because you don’t have a driver’s license or have money to get there

license or have money to get there

license or have money to get there they’re not going out most of these

they’re not going out most of these

they’re not going out most of these individuals are not going out and

individuals are not going out and

individuals are not going out and committing new crimes and like I said

committing new crimes and like I said

committing new crimes and like I said thirty million people in this country

thirty million people in this country

thirty million people in this country suffer from subs

suffer from subs

suffer from subs use disorder yet only one out of ten

use disorder yet only one out of ten

use disorder yet only one out of ten people suffering ever receive any kind

people suffering ever receive any kind

people suffering ever receive any kind of treatment the shame the stigma and

of treatment the shame the stigma and

of treatment the shame the stigma and the criminalization of this disorder

the criminalization of this disorder

the criminalization of this disorder keeps people silent even in recovery

keeps people silent even in recovery

keeps people silent even in recovery when they’ve gotten back some of the

when they’ve gotten back some of the

when they’ve gotten back some of the things in their life that they hold so

things in their life that they hold so

things in their life that they hold so dear now John was one of the main

dear now John was one of the main

dear now John was one of the main reasons I decided to break my silence so

reasons I decided to break my silence so

reasons I decided to break my silence so what do we do what do we do that’s what

what do we do what do we do that’s what

what do we do what do we do that’s what we tried to figure out with the RCL

we tried to figure out with the RCL

we tried to figure out with the RCL model which is a recovery community

model which is a recovery community

model which is a recovery community organization we created southern

organization we created southern

organization we created southern recovery advocacy here in Oxford

recovery advocacy here in Oxford

recovery advocacy here in Oxford Mississippi and it addresses the

Mississippi and it addresses the

Mississippi and it addresses the collateral consequences of the criminal

collateral consequences of the criminal

collateral consequences of the criminal justice system with drug offenses and

justice system with drug offenses and

justice system with drug offenses and let me explain what collateral

let me explain what collateral

let me explain what collateral consequences are many people serve

consequences are many people serve

consequences are many people serve sentences long beyond the time they ever

sentences long beyond the time they ever

sentences long beyond the time they ever spend behind bars long after their

spend behind bars long after their

spend behind bars long after their probation is finished long after they’ve

probation is finished long after they’ve

probation is finished long after they’ve paid their fines they now have a label

paid their fines they now have a label

paid their fines they now have a label that keeps them from participating in

that keeps them from participating in

that keeps them from participating in life it keeps them from getting Pell

life it keeps them from getting Pell

life it keeps them from getting Pell grants and education it keeps them from

grants and education it keeps them from

grants and education it keeps them from getting housing and it keeps them from

getting housing and it keeps them from

getting housing and it keeps them from getting jobs so with the RCO we decided

getting jobs so with the RCO we decided

getting jobs so with the RCO we decided to proactively tackle these collateral

to proactively tackle these collateral

to proactively tackle these collateral consequences and we based our model on

consequences and we based our model on

consequences and we based our model on several pillars we try to hook people up

several pillars we try to hook people up

several pillars we try to hook people up with employment we try to advocate for

with employment we try to advocate for

with employment we try to advocate for education employment housing life skills

education employment housing life skills

education employment housing life skills and recovery access to these tools that

and recovery access to these tools that

and recovery access to these tools that are so essential to people reintegrating

are so essential to people reintegrating

are so essential to people reintegrating back into society I didn’t have some of

back into society I didn’t have some of

back into society I didn’t have some of these life skills when I came out I

these life skills when I came out I

these life skills when I came out I didn’t know how to build credit I had to

didn’t know how to build credit I had to

didn’t know how to build credit I had to be taught these things and it was people

be taught these things and it was people

be taught these things and it was people in recovery that were able to do that

in recovery that were able to do that

in recovery that were able to do that for me the tough on drug use policy is

for me the tough on drug use policy is

for me the tough on drug use policy is not working it’s a tool of political

not working it’s a tool of political

not working it’s a tool of political manipulation it’s a business it keeps us

manipulation it’s a business it keeps us

manipulation it’s a business it keeps us afraid afraid of what we don’t

afraid afraid of what we don’t

afraid afraid of what we don’t understand

it’s been my experience that the the

it’s been my experience that the the tough people the really tough people

tough people the really tough people

tough people the really tough people help people up when they’re down they

help people up when they’re down they

help people up when they’re down they don’t kick them trust me

don’t kick them trust me

don’t kick them trust me I’m surrounded by some of the toughest

I’m surrounded by some of the toughest

I’m surrounded by some of the toughest people on the planet they are the

people on the planet they are the

people on the planet they are the pillars of their respective recovery

pillars of their respective recovery

pillars of their respective recovery communities and restorative justices

communities and restorative justices

communities and restorative justices their specialty

their specialty

their specialty some of them are here tonight Portugal

some of them are here tonight Portugal

some of them are here tonight Portugal and other countries have discovered that

and other countries have discovered that

and other countries have discovered that this is not a criminal justice issue

this is not a criminal justice issue

this is not a criminal justice issue this is a social issue Portugal decided

this is a social issue Portugal decided

this is a social issue Portugal decided to decriminalize all drugs in 2001 and

to decriminalize all drugs in 2001 and

to decriminalize all drugs in 2001 and let me explain what I mean by

let me explain what I mean by

let me explain what I mean by decriminalized it’s different from

decriminalized it’s different from

decriminalized it’s different from legalization I’m not suggesting we need

legalization I’m not suggesting we need

legalization I’m not suggesting we need to put black tar heroin next to Marlboro

to put black tar heroin next to Marlboro

to put black tar heroin next to Marlboro cigarettes at the 7-eleven what I’m

cigarettes at the 7-eleven what I’m

cigarettes at the 7-eleven what I’m saying is we need to quit attaching

saying is we need to quit attaching

saying is we need to quit attaching criminal penalties to a social and

criminal penalties to a social and

criminal penalties to a social and mental disorder thereby compounding the

mental disorder thereby compounding the

mental disorder thereby compounding the social problems and the expense in the

social problems and the expense in the

social problems and the expense in the long run

long run

long run since Portugal decriminalized their

since Portugal decriminalized their

since Portugal decriminalized their death rates their crime rates and their

death rates their crime rates and their

death rates their crime rates and their addiction rates have plummeted because

addiction rates have plummeted because

addiction rates have plummeted because they’re now treating it as a social

they’re now treating it as a social

they’re now treating it as a social issue other countries are now following

issue other countries are now following

issue other countries are now following suit Norway Uruguay Sweden the United

suit Norway Uruguay Sweden the United

suit Norway Uruguay Sweden the United States has the highest rates of

States has the highest rates of

States has the highest rates of addiction on the planet which also puts

addiction on the planet which also puts

addiction on the planet which also puts us in a unique position we have an

us in a unique position we have an

us in a unique position we have an opportunity to see the highest rates of

opportunity to see the highest rates of

opportunity to see the highest rates of recovery in history I was fortunate

recovery in history I was fortunate

recovery in history I was fortunate enough to be able to visit California

enough to be able to visit California

enough to be able to visit California about a month ago and I and I went out

about a month ago and I and I went out

about a month ago and I and I went out outside of Berkeley in San Francisco and

outside of Berkeley in San Francisco and

outside of Berkeley in San Francisco and I was able to go into a redwoods for us

I was able to go into a redwoods for us

I was able to go into a redwoods for us and as I looked around this redwood

and as I looked around this redwood

and as I looked around this redwood forest I noticed something redwoods

forest I noticed something redwoods

forest I noticed something redwoods don’t grow by themselves you never see a

don’t grow by themselves you never see a

don’t grow by themselves you never see a redwood out in the middle of a field

redwood out in the middle of a field

redwood out in the middle of a field growing these are the some of the most

growing these are the some of the most

growing these are the some of the most beautiful specimens I’ve ever seen 20

beautiful specimens I’ve ever seen 20

beautiful specimens I’ve ever seen 20 feet in diameter 300 feet tall

splendid

splendid works of creation but why the redwood

works of creation but why the redwood

works of creation but why the redwood grows and groves and not alone is

grows and groves and not alone is

grows and groves and not alone is because their root systems interlock and

because their root systems interlock and

because their root systems interlock and the redwoods showed me that that’s it’s

the redwoods showed me that that’s it’s

the redwoods showed me that that’s it’s almost identical to how we do things in

almost identical to how we do things in

almost identical to how we do things in recovery we don’t get sober on our own

recovery we don’t get sober on our own

recovery we don’t get sober on our own we help each other our root systems

we help each other our root systems

we help each other our root systems interlock and we hold each other up so

interlock and we hold each other up so

interlock and we hold each other up so that we can reach great heights of

that we can reach great heights of

that we can reach great heights of success we don’t need a war on drugs we

success we don’t need a war on drugs we

success we don’t need a war on drugs we need a war on intolerance we need a war

need a war on intolerance we need a war

need a war on intolerance we need a war on closed-mindedness and we need a war

on closed-mindedness and we need a war

on closed-mindedness and we need a war on archaic substandard policies that are

on archaic substandard policies that are

on archaic substandard policies that are economically irresponsible and

economically irresponsible and

economically irresponsible and ineffective thank you for my life

ineffective thank you for my life

ineffective thank you for my life [Applause]

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you

you [Music]

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