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eighteen years old I had to apply for

eighteen years old I had to apply for University what am I going to study what

University what am I going to study what

University what am I going to study what am I going to work in my life and as a

am I going to work in my life and as a

am I going to work in my life and as a child I was always used to go into

child I was always used to go into

child I was always used to go into nature to listen to the universe to this

nature to listen to the universe to this

nature to listen to the universe to this to forest to the winds and to connect

to forest to the winds and to connect

to forest to the winds and to connect deeper with myself and that’s evening

deeper with myself and that’s evening

deeper with myself and that’s evening the tide at the lake I said what and

the tide at the lake I said what and

the tide at the lake I said what and where no but then I changed my question

where no but then I changed my question

where no but then I changed my question because before there was no answer then

because before there was no answer then

because before there was no answer then I said I asked life where do you need me

I said I asked life where do you need me

I said I asked life where do you need me and then in that moment you know

and then in that moment you know

and then in that moment you know thousands of works had applied to many

thousands of works had applied to many

thousands of works had applied to many tasks to do and then I said okay then I

tasks to do and then I said okay then I

tasks to do and then I said okay then I would love to do something for my lake

would love to do something for my lake

would love to do something for my lake this is my Lake we love beloved it’s the

this is my Lake we love beloved it’s the

this is my Lake we love beloved it’s the world’s most famous intermittent Lake

world’s most famous intermittent Lake

world’s most famous intermittent Lake sometimes there is lots of water and

sometimes there is lots of water and

sometimes there is lots of water and when it vanishes you can see it in the

when it vanishes you can see it in the

when it vanishes you can see it in the deepness at the bottom of the lake but I

deepness at the bottom of the lake but I

deepness at the bottom of the lake but I thought that tourism so I applied for

thought that tourism so I applied for

thought that tourism so I applied for economy and of course after studies I

economy and of course after studies I

economy and of course after studies I worked for five years and I traveled I

worked for five years and I traveled I

worked for five years and I traveled I have to admit I enjoy it very much

have to admit I enjoy it very much

have to admit I enjoy it very much organizing excursions journeys bringing

organizing excursions journeys bringing

organizing excursions journeys bringing people around mostly through the Balkans

people around mostly through the Balkans

people around mostly through the Balkans through ex-yugoslavia so I know

through ex-yugoslavia so I know

through ex-yugoslavia so I know Macedonia

Macedonia

Macedonia I know Bosnia I know all these regions

I know Bosnia I know all these regions

I know Bosnia I know all these regions and I have been many times to Dubrovnik

and I have been many times to Dubrovnik

and I have been many times to Dubrovnik too and but I realized very soon that

too and but I realized very soon that

too and but I realized very soon that tourism is not what I would love to

tourism is not what I would love to

tourism is not what I would love to cause to my lake because that would mean

cause to my lake because that would mean

cause to my lake because that would mean that I would need to bring the fence and

that I would need to bring the fence and

that I would need to bring the fence and then to sell tickets and then to

then to sell tickets and then to

then to sell tickets and then to encourage my local people to put

encourage my local people to put

encourage my local people to put costumes and sell local food I said but

costumes and sell local food I said but

costumes and sell local food I said but this is my lake I’m quite a wild person

this is my lake I’m quite a wild person

this is my lake I’m quite a wild person I I need an access to this wild nature

I I need an access to this wild nature

I I need an access to this wild nature whenever I want in the middle of the

whenever I want in the middle of the

whenever I want in the middle of the night during the day and same are we all

night during the day and same are we all

night during the day and same are we all local people this is our lake so I I was

local people this is our lake so I I was

local people this is our lake so I I was soon in in a mood that I will not be

soon in in a mood that I will not be

soon in in a mood that I will not be there in that flow of tourism but then

there in that flow of tourism but then

there in that flow of tourism but then something else happened one night that a

something else happened one night that a

something else happened one night that a man was going from the lake home you

man was going from the lake home you

man was going from the lake home you know singing could be that he was a bit

know singing could be that he was a bit

know singing could be that he was a bit drunk but that’s not important

drunk but that’s not important

drunk but that’s not important he was definitely like old nostalgic but

he was definitely like old nostalgic but

he was definitely like old nostalgic but he sang in a way I never heard before or

he sang in a way I never heard before or

he sang in a way I never heard before or maybe I started to listen to old people

maybe I started to listen to old people

maybe I started to listen to old people or traditional people in a different way

or traditional people in a different way

or traditional people in a different way because he was like

I knew that song and I know it was it’s

I knew that song and I know it was it’s the note the note tell different story

the note the note tell different story

the note the note tell different story and I don’t know if you have that

and I don’t know if you have that

and I don’t know if you have that feeling if you have that experience but

feeling if you have that experience but

feeling if you have that experience but singing songs by notes or music or by

singing songs by notes or music or by

singing songs by notes or music or by singing them by heart is completely

singing them by heart is completely

singing them by heart is completely different world and that changed my

different world and that changed my

different world and that changed my professional way when I was 28 then I

professional way when I was 28 then I

professional way when I was 28 then I applied a project to Ministry of Culture

applied a project to Ministry of Culture

applied a project to Ministry of Culture that I will collect local stories

that I will collect local stories

that I will collect local stories because although we have a world’s most

because although we have a world’s most

because although we have a world’s most famous lake nobody record a documented

famous lake nobody record a documented

famous lake nobody record a documented culture of the people but people adopted

culture of the people but people adopted

culture of the people but people adopted to that vanishing waters coming and

to that vanishing waters coming and

to that vanishing waters coming and going in a very special way because when

going in a very special way because when

going in a very special way because when there is water they go fishing and when

there is water they go fishing and when

there is water they go fishing and when there is no water they they cut grass

there is no water they they cut grass

there is no water they they cut grass and they pasture cows and what and sheep

and they pasture cows and what and sheep

and they pasture cows and what and sheep and I got a confirmation as a as an

and I got a confirmation as a as an

and I got a confirmation as a as an artist that I would also sing it a

artist that I would also sing it a

artist that I would also sing it a Thomas ecologist gave me instructions

Thomas ecologist gave me instructions

Thomas ecologist gave me instructions how to collect and yeah and then they

how to collect and yeah and then they

how to collect and yeah and then they also told me be careful what will you do

also told me be careful what will you do

also told me be careful what will you do with these songs I said well I will sing

with these songs I said well I will sing

with these songs I said well I will sing them but how what do you mean you will

them but how what do you mean you will

them but how what do you mean you will sing them but because you know it’s many

sing them but because you know it’s many

sing them but because you know it’s many streams of revival make an easy way in

streams of revival make an easy way in

streams of revival make an easy way in easy access to the source to a treasure

easy access to the source to a treasure

easy access to the source to a treasure chest of a nation so I was in this I’m

chest of a nation so I was in this I’m

chest of a nation so I was in this I’m still in this work for now nearly 30

still in this work for now nearly 30

still in this work for now nearly 30 years but then our local community

years but then our local community

years but then our local community decided to establish a park National

decided to establish a park National

decided to establish a park National Park but again National Park would again

Park but again National Park would again

Park but again National Park would again take care only for nature nobody took

take care only for nature nobody took

take care only for nature nobody took care for people and but who am I do you

care for people and but who am I do you

care for people and but who am I do you know to announce that don’t you see that

know to announce that don’t you see that

know to announce that don’t you see that they have their skills they have songs

they have their skills they have songs

they have their skills they have songs they have stories they have uniqueness

they have stories they have uniqueness

they have stories they have uniqueness what do you mean uniqueness this is

what do you mean uniqueness this is

what do you mean uniqueness this is nothing like when I started to collect

nothing like when I started to collect

nothing like when I started to collect this is nothing this old songs but I

this is nothing this old songs but I

this is nothing this old songs but I realized one song is 800 years old this

realized one song is 800 years old this

realized one song is 800 years old this is not nothing this is our weight of who

is not nothing this is our weight of who

is not nothing this is our weight of who we are is our identity and then I

we are is our identity and then I

we are is our identity and then I realized that a man in the village that

realized that a man in the village that

realized that a man in the village that knows how to do the boat and the

knows how to do the boat and the

knows how to do the boat and the technique goes thousands of years in

technique goes thousands of years in

technique goes thousands of years in history because it’s a dogging out way

history because it’s a dogging out way

history because it’s a dogging out way it’s it’s this is the last man that

it’s it’s this is the last man that

it’s it’s this is the last man that knows how to do it so I said this is

knows how to do it so I said this is

knows how to do it so I said this is nothing and fortunately UNESCO signed

nothing and fortunately UNESCO signed

nothing and fortunately UNESCO signed convention of intangible cultural

convention of intangible cultural

convention of intangible cultural heritage and he said the convention said

heritage and he said the convention said

heritage and he said the convention said that says that skills knowledge about

that says that skills knowledge about

that says that skills knowledge about nature songs and everything that people

nature songs and everything that people

nature songs and everything that people carry and they recognize this as their

carry and they recognize this as their

carry and they recognize this as their own culture this needs to be safeguarded

own culture this needs to be safeguarded

own culture this needs to be safeguarded but there is one condition

but there is one condition

but there is one condition this old culture should be alive among

this old culture should be alive among

this old culture should be alive among young people too so that’s what that was

young people too so that’s what that was

young people too so that’s what that was a new task for me because you know that

a new task for me because you know that

a new task for me because you know that old men knew how to do the boat but how

old men knew how to do the boat but how

old men knew how to do the boat but how can I make young people follow the

can I make young people follow the

can I make young people follow the knowledge because otherwise we’ll lose

knowledge because otherwise we’ll lose

knowledge because otherwise we’ll lose the threat of thousands of years of

the threat of thousands of years of

the threat of thousands of years of knowledge so I applied for Norwegian

knowledge so I applied for Norwegian

knowledge so I applied for Norwegian grants and succeeded in getting the

grants and succeeded in getting the

grants and succeeded in getting the project with excellent partners but then

project with excellent partners but then

project with excellent partners but then again we opened the call yeah well young

again we opened the call yeah well young

again we opened the call yeah well young people come and they did 22 young people

people come and they did 22 young people

people come and they did 22 young people came and they were about 30 years old I

came and they were about 30 years old I

came and they were about 30 years old I don’t know if that is still young but

don’t know if that is still young but

don’t know if that is still young but they have diplomas but no jobs so they

they have diplomas but no jobs so they

they have diplomas but no jobs so they had time and they have skills from

had time and they have skills from

had time and they have skills from University to do also scientific work to

University to do also scientific work to

University to do also scientific work to document and I said but you will have to

document and I said but you will have to

document and I said but you will have to find all carriers of the knowledge on

find all carriers of the knowledge on

find all carriers of the knowledge on your own so they had to go to the

your own so they had to go to the

your own so they had to go to the villages on their own and they found 22

villages on their own and they found 22

villages on their own and they found 22 old carriers

old carriers

old carriers of intangible cultural heritage for

of intangible cultural heritage for

of intangible cultural heritage for distillery for linen for flags growing

distillery for linen for flags growing

distillery for linen for flags growing for blacksmithing and also for boat boat

for blacksmithing and also for boat boat

for blacksmithing and also for boat boat building and they did that like

building and they did that like

building and they did that like scientific part but they had to go

scientific part but they had to go

scientific part but they had to go through hand crafts too and the stories

through hand crafts too and the stories

through hand crafts too and the stories they brought back were touching for us

they brought back were touching for us

they brought back were touching for us because one of the men who was giving an

because one of the men who was giving an

because one of the men who was giving an interview to young people to young

interview to young people to young

interview to young people to young guardians of heritage said you know they

guardians of heritage said you know they

guardians of heritage said you know they don’t believe me when I tell them that I

don’t believe me when I tell them that I

don’t believe me when I tell them that I was growing I was waking up at 3 o’clock

was growing I was waking up at 3 o’clock

was growing I was waking up at 3 o’clock preparing one ton of material for the

preparing one ton of material for the

preparing one ton of material for the factory then went to work for 8 hours

factory then went to work for 8 hours

factory then went to work for 8 hours and in the evening I came back to the

and in the evening I came back to the

and in the evening I came back to the forest and prepare another fir tree

forest and prepare another fir tree

forest and prepare another fir tree grains for distillery they don’t believe

grains for distillery they don’t believe

grains for distillery they don’t believe me so I stay quiet and another woman she

me so I stay quiet and another woman she

me so I stay quiet and another woman she went for interview for the Flex and she

went for interview for the Flex and she

went for interview for the Flex and she was looking for her grand aunt you know

was looking for her grand aunt you know

was looking for her grand aunt you know tell me how did you how did you make

tell me how did you how did you make

tell me how did you how did you make linen how did you make cloth and she

linen how did you make cloth and she

linen how did you make cloth and she said we didn’t have that what do you

said we didn’t have that what do you

said we didn’t have that what do you mean I know you our ancestors told us

mean I know you our ancestors told us

mean I know you our ancestors told us that you have that in your family but

that you have that in your family but

that you have that in your family but her brother told that she went to away

her brother told that she went to away

her brother told that she went to away when she was five years old because they

when she was five years old because they

when she was five years old because they didn’t have enough food so they have

didn’t have enough food so they have

didn’t have enough food so they have they have to work as children so after

they have to work as children so after

they have to work as children so after after two years we realized that these

after two years we realized that these

after two years we realized that these young guardians of heritage are very

young guardians of heritage are very

young guardians of heritage are very much connected to our our own culture

much connected to our our own culture

much connected to our our own culture now after two or three years of work and

now after two or three years of work and

now after two or three years of work and we also succeeded to enlist to safeguard

we also succeeded to enlist to safeguard

we also succeeded to enlist to safeguard the knowledge of the boat building and

the knowledge of the boat building and

the knowledge of the boat building and also all for all for all other

also all for all for all other

also all for all for all other activities but what is important when we

activities but what is important when we

activities but what is important when we see children coming to our house is that

see children coming to our house is that

see children coming to our house is that we establish a center a center where all

we establish a center a center where all

we establish a center a center where all the knowledge of the

the knowledge of the

the knowledge of the is kept alive as in treasure chests from

is kept alive as in treasure chests from

is kept alive as in treasure chests from old people but also as an experience

old people but also as an experience

old people but also as an experience that generations can meet so young

that generations can meet so young

that generations can meet so young people and old carriers can meet and

people and old carriers can meet and

people and old carriers can meet and learn from each other and when young

learn from each other and when young

learn from each other and when young children come teachers are so astonished

children come teachers are so astonished

children come teachers are so astonished because they see that children when they

because they see that children when they

because they see that children when they start to do things with weaving or

start to do things with weaving or

start to do things with weaving or spinning or with distillery they become

spinning or with distillery they become

spinning or with distillery they become very focused happy they enjoy doing

very focused happy they enjoy doing

very focused happy they enjoy doing things with hands and this is help how

things with hands and this is help how

things with hands and this is help how to cope with digital dementia that is

to cope with digital dementia that is

to cope with digital dementia that is coming to our school and this effect of

coming to our school and this effect of

coming to our school and this effect of nervousness that people cannot stay

nervousness that people cannot stay

nervousness that people cannot stay quiet if you bring them hands hand

quiet if you bring them hands hand

quiet if you bring them hands hand crafts and work with hence they they

crafts and work with hence they they

crafts and work with hence they they become they connect themselves to their

become they connect themselves to their

become they connect themselves to their bodies yeah so they listen so the result

bodies yeah so they listen so the result

bodies yeah so they listen so the result is connection between generations

is connection between generations

is connection between generations safeguarded knowledge and when I come

safeguarded knowledge and when I come

safeguarded knowledge and when I come let’s say to your magnificent City to

let’s say to your magnificent City to

let’s say to your magnificent City to Dubrovnik I leave I try to get an idea

Dubrovnik I leave I try to get an idea

Dubrovnik I leave I try to get an idea what would this be in Dubrovnik to

what would this be in Dubrovnik to

what would this be in Dubrovnik to safeguard intangible cultural heritage

safeguard intangible cultural heritage

safeguard intangible cultural heritage in Europe there is a new movement of

in Europe there is a new movement of

in Europe there is a new movement of tourism of visitors that don’t want to

tourism of visitors that don’t want to

tourism of visitors that don’t want to be just buyers or or they want to try

be just buyers or or they want to try

be just buyers or or they want to try things so they come to do things with

things so they come to do things with

things so they come to do things with hands and they love to hear the stories

hands and they love to hear the stories

hands and they love to hear the stories of local people so maybe this young

of local people so maybe this young

of local people so maybe this young guardians of heritage would be an idea

guardians of heritage would be an idea

guardians of heritage would be an idea how to connect for you for yourself that

how to connect for you for yourself that

how to connect for you for yourself that you have a contact for your with your

you have a contact for your with your

you have a contact for your with your own culture but not for tourism on the

own culture but not for tourism on the

own culture but not for tourism on the first plane but for yourself so we would

first plane but for yourself so we would

first plane but for yourself so we would love to listen to your stories but the

love to listen to your stories but the

love to listen to your stories but the first is if I can say very important

first is if I can say very important

first is if I can say very important that you listen to your own stories from

that you listen to your own stories from

that you listen to your own stories from people that know the

people that know the

people that know the have the knowledge and they know how to

have the knowledge and they know how to

have the knowledge and they know how to give it to pass it on to younger

give it to pass it on to younger

give it to pass it on to younger generations because I think this is the

generations because I think this is the

generations because I think this is the last generation that knows how to do

last generation that knows how to do

last generation that knows how to do things with hands nowadays we don’t do

things with hands nowadays we don’t do

things with hands nowadays we don’t do that anymore at least that’s the

that anymore at least that’s the

that anymore at least that’s the situation in my region in Slovenia and

situation in my region in Slovenia and

situation in my region in Slovenia and at the end I would love to stress the

at the end I would love to stress the

at the end I would love to stress the moment that our intangible cultural

moment that our intangible cultural

moment that our intangible cultural heritage is helping us keeping our

heritage is helping us keeping our

heritage is helping us keeping our authentic culture our originality and I

authentic culture our originality and I

authentic culture our originality and I would share the last song from Alpine

would share the last song from Alpine

would share the last song from Alpine region where my people in Raisa they

region where my people in Raisa they

region where my people in Raisa they speak a dialect which is understandable

speak a dialect which is understandable

speak a dialect which is understandable for other Slovenian people but they

for other Slovenian people but they

for other Slovenian people but they still keep very old way of singing that

still keep very old way of singing that

still keep very old way of singing that let’s say the whole village would keep

let’s say the whole village would keep

let’s say the whole village would keep one tone and the others would give the

one tone and the others would give the

one tone and the others would give the melody and this is the like laboratorium

melody and this is the like laboratorium

melody and this is the like laboratorium for ethnomusicologist because the drone

for ethnomusicologist because the drone

for ethnomusicologist because the drone is still alive ostinato so they would

is still alive ostinato so they would

is still alive ostinato so they would they would sing like nah

dally palma to courier dally palma to

dally palma to courier dally palma to career

career

career [Music]

you know some are doji through butter

you know some are doji through butter and some Irish eat a pie de la la Li la

and some Irish eat a pie de la la Li la

and some Irish eat a pie de la la Li la la the some I would say better

so diversity originality is created by

so diversity originality is created by our ancestors I think we have a moral or

our ancestors I think we have a moral or

our ancestors I think we have a moral or ethics that we prolong this heritage to

ethics that we prolong this heritage to

ethics that we prolong this heritage to our next generations for further life

our next generations for further life

our next generations for further life because our fir tree that our boat is

because our fir tree that our boat is

because our fir tree that our boat is made of is old 200 years so we can say

made of is old 200 years so we can say

made of is old 200 years so we can say four or five generations before somebody

four or five generations before somebody

four or five generations before somebody thought to take care for the forests so

thought to take care for the forests so

thought to take care for the forests so nowadays you can have the boat so we can

nowadays you can have the boat so we can

nowadays you can have the boat so we can have one song for further children that

have one song for further children that

have one song for further children that are coming thank you

are coming thank you

are coming thank you [Applause]

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