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I like to start with a quick show of

I like to start with a quick show of hands so can you put your hand up if you

hands so can you put your hand up if you

hands so can you put your hand up if you know your bank managers name that’s very

know your bank managers name that’s very

know your bank managers name that’s very easy then so I’m pretty sure you can’t

easy then so I’m pretty sure you can’t

easy then so I’m pretty sure you can’t explain standard variable rate mortgages

explain standard variable rate mortgages

explain standard variable rate mortgages any 101 you’re very brave you’re a

any 101 you’re very brave you’re a

any 101 you’re very brave you’re a unicorn in fact my point is that

unicorn in fact my point is that

unicorn in fact my point is that financial services are confusing

financial services are confusing

financial services are confusing inaccessible and cumbersome but we all

inaccessible and cumbersome but we all

inaccessible and cumbersome but we all rely on them every single day now I’m

rely on them every single day now I’m

rely on them every single day now I’m pretty sure given a choice like this you

pretty sure given a choice like this you

pretty sure given a choice like this you could probably come up with a sensible

could probably come up with a sensible

could probably come up with a sensible decision but how about now not so easy

decision but how about now not so easy

decision but how about now not so easy is it so Who am I and why am i comparing

is it so Who am I and why am i comparing

is it so Who am I and why am i comparing wheelbarrows and credit cards well this

wheelbarrows and credit cards well this

wheelbarrows and credit cards well this is me from a young age I’ve loved making

is me from a young age I’ve loved making

is me from a young age I’ve loved making things now at first this meant sticking

things now at first this meant sticking

things now at first this meant sticking everything together with cellotape but I

everything together with cellotape but I

everything together with cellotape but I quickly discovered computers and built

quickly discovered computers and built

quickly discovered computers and built my first website when I was 11

my first website when I was 11

my first website when I was 11 shortly after graduating I moved to San

shortly after graduating I moved to San

shortly after graduating I moved to San Francisco to work for an early-stage

Francisco to work for an early-stage

Francisco to work for an early-stage tech startup I loved making software and

tech startup I loved making software and

tech startup I loved making software and software’s everywhere

software’s everywhere

software’s everywhere be it your phone your washing machine

be it your phone your washing machine

be it your phone your washing machine and your bank and if banks had your

and your bank and if banks had your

and your bank and if banks had your software then I realized that’s

software then I realized that’s

software then I realized that’s something I can make – last year I moved

something I can make – last year I moved

something I can make – last year I moved back to London and applied for a credit

back to London and applied for a credit

back to London and applied for a credit card to fund my entrepreneurship or

card to fund my entrepreneurship or

card to fund my entrepreneurship or unemployment as my mom called it

I was rejected

I was rejected it turns out after living outside of the

it turns out after living outside of the

it turns out after living outside of the country for two years I had a terrible

country for two years I had a terrible

country for two years I had a terrible credit score and I’m not the only one

credit score and I’m not the only one

credit score and I’m not the only one thousands of people get rejected for

thousands of people get rejected for

thousands of people get rejected for credit every single day for a whole raft

credit every single day for a whole raft

credit every single day for a whole raft of reasons they’re outside of their

of reasons they’re outside of their

of reasons they’re outside of their control so I founded a fin tech company

control so I founded a fin tech company

control so I founded a fin tech company now fin tech is short for financial

now fin tech is short for financial

now fin tech is short for financial technology and is an area that’s grabbed

technology and is an area that’s grabbed

technology and is an area that’s grabbed us ways of investment and many headlines

us ways of investment and many headlines

us ways of investment and many headlines of pink broadsheets in the past couple

of pink broadsheets in the past couple

of pink broadsheets in the past couple of years and now I spend my time hanging

of years and now I spend my time hanging

of years and now I spend my time hanging out with these guys but so much of the

out with these guys but so much of the

out with these guys but so much of the attention in fin tech has focused on

attention in fin tech has focused on

attention in fin tech has focused on building complicated wealth management

building complicated wealth management

building complicated wealth management products designed to answer questions

products designed to answer questions

products designed to answer questions like how could i optimize my investment

like how could i optimize my investment

like how could i optimize my investment portfolio or how can I consolidate

portfolio or how can I consolidate

portfolio or how can I consolidate insurance to save money

insurance to save money

insurance to save money in fact our industry has even come up

in fact our industry has even come up

in fact our industry has even come up with an acronym to describe our most

with an acronym to describe our most

with an acronym to describe our most lucrative target market

lucrative target market

lucrative target market we call them Henry’s and Henry stands

we call them Henry’s and Henry stands

we call them Henry’s and Henry stands for high earning but not rich yet but

for high earning but not rich yet but

for high earning but not rich yet but there are 13 million people in the UK

there are 13 million people in the UK

there are 13 million people in the UK that don’t have enough savings to

that don’t have enough savings to

that don’t have enough savings to survive losing even a quarter of their

survive losing even a quarter of their

survive losing even a quarter of their income and we’re still we’re busy

income and we’re still we’re busy

income and we’re still we’re busy closing the services these people rely

closing the services these people rely

closing the services these people rely on the most

on the most

on the most just this year we’ve seen thousands of

just this year we’ve seen thousands of

just this year we’ve seen thousands of bank branches close their doors and can

bank branches close their doors and can

bank branches close their doors and can expect more of the same cost-cutting in

expect more of the same cost-cutting in

expect more of the same cost-cutting in the coming years there’s a huge

the coming years there’s a huge

the coming years there’s a huge opportunity to use technology to help

opportunity to use technology to help

opportunity to use technology to help these people so back to credit scoring

these people so back to credit scoring

these people so back to credit scoring this is Leon Leon’s applying for a loan

this is Leon Leon’s applying for a loan

this is Leon Leon’s applying for a loan this application gets passed to a credit

this application gets passed to a credit

this application gets passed to a credit bureau to answer a very simple question

bureau to answer a very simple question

bureau to answer a very simple question is he going to repay or not the problem

is he going to repay or not the problem

is he going to repay or not the problem is the information that’s used to answer

is the information that’s used to answer

is the information that’s used to answer that question is incomplete at best but

that question is incomplete at best but

that question is incomplete at best but grossly irrelevant for a huge number of

grossly irrelevant for a huge number of

grossly irrelevant for a huge number of us and the reason is the bureau’s

us and the reason is the bureau’s

us and the reason is the bureau’s themselves refuse to involve the end

themselves refuse to involve the end

themselves refuse to involve the end user in the process I mean after all if

user in the process I mean after all if

user in the process I mean after all if you want to know about me then why don’t

you want to know about me then why don’t

you want to know about me then why don’t you just ask it’s a bit like me writing

you just ask it’s a bit like me writing

you just ask it’s a bit like me writing your CV for you even though we’ve only

your CV for you even though we’ve only

your CV for you even though we’ve only just met and the way the thing is the

just met and the way the thing is the

just met and the way the thing is the credit industry themselves actually sees

credit industry themselves actually sees

credit industry themselves actually sees this as a good thing I remember being in

this as a good thing I remember being in

this as a good thing I remember being in a meeting once sort of early on when we

a meeting once sort of early on when we

a meeting once sort of early on when we started the company and someone said to

started the company and someone said to

started the company and someone said to us well if our customers understand

us well if our customers understand

us well if our customers understand their credit scores then they’ll game

their credit scores then they’ll game

their credit scores then they’ll game the system and I didn’t say anything at

the system and I didn’t say anything at

the system and I didn’t say anything at the time but I wanted to say you know

the time but I wanted to say you know

the time but I wanted to say you know well if your credit score’s really good

well if your credit score’s really good

well if your credit score’s really good then gaming the system would mean your

then gaming the system would mean your

then gaming the system would mean your customers become financially healthy so

customers become financially healthy so

customers become financially healthy so great game on

great game on

great game on and what’s even where there is the

and what’s even where there is the

and what’s even where there is the lending companies in the absence of good

lending companies in the absence of good

lending companies in the absence of good data from the credit bureaus they’ve

data from the credit bureaus they’ve

data from the credit bureaus they’ve started coming up with their own methods

started coming up with their own methods

started coming up with their own methods of evaluation each more weird and

of evaluation each more weird and

of evaluation each more weird and wonderful than us I remember another

wonderful than us I remember another

wonderful than us I remember another meeting someone talked about a street

meeting someone talked about a street

meeting someone talked about a street check process which I assumed was some

check process which I assumed was some

check process which I assumed was some kind of sort of way of verifying address

kind of sort of way of verifying address

kind of sort of way of verifying address or where someone lived and and we turned

or where someone lived and and we turned

or where someone lived and and we turned out later what they were actually doing

out later what they were actually doing

out later what they were actually doing was getting in their cars driving past

was getting in their cars driving past

was getting in their cars driving past people’s houses and checking if they’ve

people’s houses and checking if they’ve

people’s houses and checking if they’ve mowed the lawn or taking the bins out

mowed the lawn or taking the bins out

mowed the lawn or taking the bins out that week and I’m sure you’ve all used

that week and I’m sure you’ve all used

that week and I’m sure you’ve all used websites like this or at least seen them

websites like this or at least seen them

websites like this or at least seen them you know pick how much you want to

you know pick how much you want to

you know pick how much you want to borrow and for how long but did you know

borrow and for how long but did you know

borrow and for how long but did you know as you move those sliders along these

as you move those sliders along these

as you move those sliders along these companies are actually measuring how you

companies are actually measuring how you

companies are actually measuring how you behave and using that to decide if your

behave and using that to decide if your

behave and using that to decide if your creditworthy and did you also know that

creditworthy and did you also know that

creditworthy and did you also know that they’ll change the initial positions

they’ll change the initial positions

they’ll change the initial positions when you load up the site based on where

when you load up the site based on where

when you load up the site based on where you live to try and convince you to

you live to try and convince you to

you live to try and convince you to borrow more it’s pretty obvious that

borrow more it’s pretty obvious that

borrow more it’s pretty obvious that technology can be a force for evil in

technology can be a force for evil in

technology can be a force for evil in financials tech in financial services at

financials tech in financial services at

financials tech in financial services at this point the idea of turning your bank

this point the idea of turning your bank

this point the idea of turning your bank into a robot it’s probably conjuring up

into a robot it’s probably conjuring up

into a robot it’s probably conjuring up some pretty scary images so let me use

some pretty scary images so let me use

some pretty scary images so let me use the rest of my time to try and convince

the rest of my time to try and convince

the rest of my time to try and convince you that technology can be the key to

you that technology can be the key to

you that technology can be the key to building a fair and inclusive financial

building a fair and inclusive financial

building a fair and inclusive financial system and one that works for everyone

system and one that works for everyone

system and one that works for everyone a recent study found that over 50% of US

a recent study found that over 50% of US

a recent study found that over 50% of US still want a face-to-face relationship

still want a face-to-face relationship

still want a face-to-face relationship with our bank and what’s more a third of

with our bank and what’s more a third of

with our bank and what’s more a third of us

us

us actively distrust banks that don’t have

actively distrust banks that don’t have

actively distrust banks that don’t have a high street presence even if mainly

a high street presence even if mainly

a high street presence even if mainly banking online so the question is how

banking online so the question is how

banking online so the question is how can we have a face-to-face relationship

can we have a face-to-face relationship

can we have a face-to-face relationship with our banks if they’re robots

with our banks if they’re robots

with our banks if they’re robots well NLP stands for natural language

well NLP stands for natural language

well NLP stands for natural language processing and is the field of computer

processing and is the field of computer

processing and is the field of computer science artificial intelligence and

science artificial intelligence and

science artificial intelligence and computational linguistics concerned with

computational linguistics concerned with

computational linguistics concerned with building interfaces between computers

building interfaces between computers

building interfaces between computers and natural language or put more simply

and natural language or put more simply

and natural language or put more simply converting written and spoken words into

converting written and spoken words into

converting written and spoken words into concepts a computer can understand and

concepts a computer can understand and

concepts a computer can understand and manipulate now I’m sure you’ve all used

manipulate now I’m sure you’ve all used

manipulate now I’m sure you’ve all used tools like Apple Siri or maybe like

tools like Apple Siri or maybe like

tools like Apple Siri or maybe like Google now set a time check the weather

Google now set a time check the weather

Google now set a time check the weather well later this year

well later this year

well later this year RBS are going to launch their Laveau

RBS are going to launch their Laveau

RBS are going to launch their Laveau chat bot which is powered by IBM Watson

chat bot which is powered by IBM Watson

chat bot which is powered by IBM Watson now at first this is just going to help

now at first this is just going to help

now at first this is just going to help direct customers to the right

direct customers to the right

direct customers to the right departments but over time as the

departments but over time as the

departments but over time as the algorithms learn it will be capable of

algorithms learn it will be capable of

algorithms learn it will be capable of much more complicated tasks imagine for

much more complicated tasks imagine for

much more complicated tasks imagine for example calling up your bank instead of

example calling up your bank instead of

example calling up your bank instead of hearing the usual your callers

hearing the usual your callers

hearing the usual your callers important to us please hold hearing hey

important to us please hold hearing hey

important to us please hold hearing hey Freddy how you doing if you remember the

Freddy how you doing if you remember the

Freddy how you doing if you remember the rents due this week or perhaps more

rents due this week or perhaps more

rents due this week or perhaps more likely hey Freddy looks like your

likely hey Freddy looks like your

likely hey Freddy looks like your overindulge that the weekend I’ve set

overindulge that the weekend I’ve set

overindulge that the weekend I’ve set aside the rent before you blow the lot

aside the rent before you blow the lot

aside the rent before you blow the lot there’s been a huge huge buzz around

there’s been a huge huge buzz around

there’s been a huge huge buzz around what’s called Robo advice which you’d

what’s called Robo advice which you’d

what’s called Robo advice which you’d assume was trying to build products like

assume was trying to build products like

assume was trying to build products like the ones I’ve just described and sadly

the ones I’ve just described and sadly

the ones I’ve just described and sadly what it actually means is providing

what it actually means is providing

what it actually means is providing advice to people with too much money

advice to people with too much money

advice to people with too much money that don’t our to invest it properly but

that don’t our to invest it properly but

that don’t our to invest it properly but those same conversational interfaces

those same conversational interfaces

those same conversational interfaces could help the people with most

could help the people with most

could help the people with most financial needs a recent report by

financial needs a recent report by

financial needs a recent report by Lloyd’s contrasted the digital access

Lloyd’s contrasted the digital access

Lloyd’s contrasted the digital access with financial capability and it found a

with financial capability and it found a

with financial capability and it found a surprisingly high nineteen point six

surprisingly high nineteen point six

surprisingly high nineteen point six percent of us or over 12 million have

percent of us or over 12 million have

percent of us or over 12 million have high digital access but low financial

high digital access but low financial

high digital access but low financial capability and could therefore really

capability and could therefore really

capability and could therefore really benefit from technology an eighty-seven

benefit from technology an eighty-seven

benefit from technology an eighty-seven percent of us are now online and the

percent of us are now online and the

percent of us are now online and the fast majority of us use a smartphone and

fast majority of us use a smartphone and

fast majority of us use a smartphone and perhaps what’s more surprising even

perhaps what’s more surprising even

perhaps what’s more surprising even those in the sort of 65 to 75 age group

those in the sort of 65 to 75 age group

those in the sort of 65 to 75 age group and now twice as likely to use a

and now twice as likely to use a

and now twice as likely to use a smartphone as they were in 2012 but even

smartphone as they were in 2012 but even

smartphone as they were in 2012 but even if we could talk to our bank how does my

if we could talk to our bank how does my

if we could talk to our bank how does my bank know what’s best for me banking

bank know what’s best for me banking

bank know what’s best for me banking needs to be relevant and we need to make

needs to be relevant and we need to make

needs to be relevant and we need to make decisions based on concepts that we

decisions based on concepts that we

decisions based on concepts that we understand

understand

understand I always remember hearing the story of a

I always remember hearing the story of a

I always remember hearing the story of a lady not far from office in London she’d

lady not far from office in London she’d

lady not far from office in London she’d been working with the debt charity and

been working with the debt charity and

been working with the debt charity and struggling with debt for a long time and

struggling with debt for a long time and

struggling with debt for a long time and finally overcome her troubles and she

finally overcome her troubles and she

finally overcome her troubles and she actually wanted to start saving so she

actually wanted to start saving so she

actually wanted to start saving so she walked into local branch of her bank and

walked into local branch of her bank and

walked into local branch of her bank and sort of declared to the guy at the desk

sort of declared to the guy at the desk

sort of declared to the guy at the desk cake I want to open a savings account

cake I want to open a savings account

cake I want to open a savings account and the chap said you know usual options

and the chap said you know usual options

and the chap said you know usual options you can get a nicer it’s fifteen

you can get a nicer it’s fifteen

you can get a nicer it’s fifteen thousand pounds tax-free maybe you want

thousand pounds tax-free maybe you want

thousand pounds tax-free maybe you want to get a savings bond two thousand

to get a savings bond two thousand

to get a savings bond two thousand pounds and if they didn’t do either of

pounds and if they didn’t do either of

pounds and if they didn’t do either of those things instead she left the bank

those things instead she left the bank

those things instead she left the bank and she was so embarrassed and ashamed

and she was so embarrassed and ashamed

and she was so embarrassed and ashamed because she only wanted to save a pound

because she only wanted to save a pound

because she only wanted to save a pound per week and what uses the fifteen

per week and what uses the fifteen

per week and what uses the fifteen thousand pounds I say to someone wants

thousand pounds I say to someone wants

thousand pounds I say to someone wants to save a pound a week banking needs to

to save a pound a week banking needs to

to save a pound a week banking needs to be relevant but how can we get relevance

be relevant but how can we get relevance

be relevant but how can we get relevance without reciting our life story or every

without reciting our life story or every

without reciting our life story or every time we pick up the phone or go online

time we pick up the phone or go online

time we pick up the phone or go online well prompted by a piece of EU

well prompted by a piece of EU

well prompted by a piece of EU legislation known as the payment

legislation known as the payment

legislation known as the payment services directive earlier this year the

services directive earlier this year the

services directive earlier this year the open banking working group was formed

open banking working group was formed

open banking working group was formed between the

between the

between the and the Oprah net open data Institute

and the Oprah net open data Institute

and the Oprah net open data Institute with the goal of building an open

with the goal of building an open

with the goal of building an open standard for access for financial data

standard for access for financial data

standard for access for financial data our financial data or put more simply it

our financial data or put more simply it

our financial data or put more simply it means that the click of a button I could

means that the click of a button I could

means that the click of a button I could go to any authorized company and say

go to any authorized company and say

go to any authorized company and say this is me here’s my financial story

this is me here’s my financial story

this is me here’s my financial story what’s the best deal you can give me

what’s the best deal you can give me

what’s the best deal you can give me better still it means that the products

better still it means that the products

better still it means that the products and services we use can be tailored to

and services we use can be tailored to

and services we use can be tailored to our exact requirements I’m thinking a

our exact requirements I’m thinking a

our exact requirements I’m thinking a credit card that detects missed payments

credit card that detects missed payments

credit card that detects missed payments before they happen or how about a

before they happen or how about a

before they happen or how about a current account that recognizes when

current account that recognizes when

current account that recognizes when I’ve got money money left over and

I’ve got money money left over and

I’ve got money money left over and invest it for me our banks make a huge

invest it for me our banks make a huge

invest it for me our banks make a huge amount of money by locking us in they

amount of money by locking us in they

amount of money by locking us in they hook us with free current accounts but

hook us with free current accounts but

hook us with free current accounts but then build walls around our data making

then build walls around our data making

then build walls around our data making it harder at first shop around for

it harder at first shop around for

it harder at first shop around for subsequent products open banking will be

subsequent products open banking will be

subsequent products open banking will be the key to knocking down those walls and

the key to knocking down those walls and

the key to knocking down those walls and creating competition and building

creating competition and building

creating competition and building products and services that meet our

products and services that meet our

products and services that meet our actual requirements rather than the

actual requirements rather than the

actual requirements rather than the one-size-fits-all approach we’re

one-size-fits-all approach we’re

one-size-fits-all approach we’re lumbered with today so do you remember

lumbered with today so do you remember

lumbered with today so do you remember Leon Leon’s a mechanic

Leon Leon’s a mechanic

Leon Leon’s a mechanic he works hard during the week it’s

he works hard during the week it’s

he works hard during the week it’s Keffer to pay his bills on time and even

Keffer to pay his bills on time and even

Keffer to pay his bills on time and even save a little he doesn’t have a credit

save a little he doesn’t have a credit

save a little he doesn’t have a credit score because he’s never borrowed money

score because he’s never borrowed money

score because he’s never borrowed money but he’s facing a shortfall in the

but he’s facing a shortfall in the

but he’s facing a shortfall in the run-up to Christmas and needs some extra

run-up to Christmas and needs some extra

run-up to Christmas and needs some extra cash to pay for presents now imagine if

cash to pay for presents now imagine if

cash to pay for presents now imagine if Leon could just explain all of this to

Leon could just explain all of this to

Leon could just explain all of this to his bank and get the answers he needs

his bank and get the answers he needs

his bank and get the answers he needs perhaps something like this

perhaps something like this

perhaps something like this [Music]

[Music]

[Music] so if I banks become robots then maybe

so if I banks become robots then maybe

so if I banks become robots then maybe it’s not such a bad thing as almost look

it’s not such a bad thing as almost look

it’s not such a bad thing as almost look after the Leon’s as well as the Henry’s

after the Leon’s as well as the Henry’s

after the Leon’s as well as the Henry’s thank you

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