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Men and women can — and should — be friends | Ira Virtanen | TEDxOtaniemi


when I was a kid my best friend was a

when I was a kid my best friend was a boy I was born in January and he was

boy I was born in January and he was

boy I was born in January and he was born in April as this our parents for

born in April as this our parents for

born in April as this our parents for close friends we spent a lot of time

close friends we spent a lot of time

close friends we spent a lot of time together even as babies over the years

together even as babies over the years

together even as babies over the years we shared a ton of wonderful experiences

we shared a ton of wonderful experiences

we shared a ton of wonderful experiences and some scary adventures too we

and some scary adventures too we

and some scary adventures too we explored the forests and build tree

explored the forests and build tree

explored the forests and build tree houses that we decorated meticulously

houses that we decorated meticulously

houses that we decorated meticulously with pinecones and grass and flowers and

with pinecones and grass and flowers and

with pinecones and grass and flowers and then we’d have to have sleepovers

then we’d have to have sleepovers

then we’d have to have sleepovers because we’d be so tired after working

because we’d be so tired after working

because we’d be so tired after working on the creations we go through our

on the creations we go through our

on the creations we go through our parents closets and put on their fancy

parents closets and put on their fancy

parents closets and put on their fancy clothes and secretly take our bikes to

clothes and secretly take our bikes to

clothes and secretly take our bikes to the lake not the leggings very ted our

the lake not the leggings very ted our

the lake not the leggings very ted our friendship was the best and most natural

friendship was the best and most natural

friendship was the best and most natural thing i knew but when we tuned 12

thing i knew but when we tuned 12

thing i knew but when we tuned 12 something shifted other kids started to

something shifted other kids started to

something shifted other kids started to tease us boys in particular and even

tease us boys in particular and even

tease us boys in particular and even though i was a daring girl independent

though i was a daring girl independent

though i was a daring girl independent and good at sports i also loved to draw

and good at sports i also loved to draw

and good at sports i also loved to draw did ballet and wrote poetry and those

did ballet and wrote poetry and those

did ballet and wrote poetry and those are not things that really reflected

are not things that really reflected

are not things that really reflected well or my friend see what was

well or my friend see what was

well or my friend see what was considered boyish in masculine like

considered boyish in masculine like

considered boyish in masculine like playing soccer and doing woodwork we’re

playing soccer and doing woodwork we’re

playing soccer and doing woodwork we’re still okay for me as a girl but the more

still okay for me as a girl but the more

still okay for me as a girl but the more girly feminine activities like making

girly feminine activities like making

girly feminine activities like making pretty things to a treehouse were

pretty things to a treehouse were

pretty things to a treehouse were perceived less suitable for my friend a

perceived less suitable for my friend a

perceived less suitable for my friend a boy and as the gender expectations

boy and as the gender expectations

boy and as the gender expectations expanded deeper into our lives they

expanded deeper into our lives they

expanded deeper into our lives they chipped away the intimacy of our

chipped away the intimacy of our

chipped away the intimacy of our friendship

other kids were not the only ones that

other kids were not the only ones that teased this though in fact adults

teased this though in fact adults

teased this though in fact adults started labeling us much much earlier

started labeling us much much earlier

started labeling us much much earlier they called us lovebirds and winked an

they called us lovebirds and winked an

they called us lovebirds and winked an eye and predicted we were going to get

eye and predicted we were going to get

eye and predicted we were going to get married

married

married and I hated it

and I hated it

and I hated it because they didn’t know what we shared

because they didn’t know what we shared

because they didn’t know what we shared they didn’t know we secretly cycled to

they didn’t know we secretly cycled to

they didn’t know we secretly cycled to the lake either so what did they know

the lake either so what did they know

the lake either so what did they know about our connection I didn’t understand

about our connection I didn’t understand

about our connection I didn’t understand why people wanted to belittle what we

why people wanted to belittle what we

why people wanted to belittle what we had as a love story because when I

had as a love story because when I

had as a love story because when I looked around I saw couples breakup or

looked around I saw couples breakup or

looked around I saw couples breakup or divorce

divorce

divorce I saw couples fight and hurt each other

I saw couples fight and hurt each other

I saw couples fight and hurt each other in the name of romantic love and that

in the name of romantic love and that

in the name of romantic love and that really didn’t compare with the intimacy

really didn’t compare with the intimacy

really didn’t compare with the intimacy and goodwill that I experienced in my

and goodwill that I experienced in my

and goodwill that I experienced in my friendship well certainly as a child I

friendship well certainly as a child I

friendship well certainly as a child I didn’t know much about seduction and

didn’t know much about seduction and

didn’t know much about seduction and passion or recognize the lawful

passion or recognize the lawful

passion or recognize the lawful commitments of marriage or the

commitments of marriage or the

commitments of marriage or the responsibilities of paying a mortgage

responsibilities of paying a mortgage

responsibilities of paying a mortgage and raising a wild bunch of kids but I

and raising a wild bunch of kids but I

and raising a wild bunch of kids but I did pick up on the assumption that a

did pick up on the assumption that a

did pick up on the assumption that a friendship between a man and a woman was

friendship between a man and a woman was

friendship between a man and a woman was a stepping stone to wedded life its

a stepping stone to wedded life its

a stepping stone to wedded life its subsidiary to a romantic relationship

subsidiary to a romantic relationship

subsidiary to a romantic relationship not something to be celebrated in its

not something to be celebrated in its

not something to be celebrated in its own right but rather the fodder for

own right but rather the fodder for

own right but rather the fodder for gossip and popular culture further

gossip and popular culture further

gossip and popular culture further perpetuates this idea that intimacy

perpetuates this idea that intimacy

perpetuates this idea that intimacy between a man and a woman has sexual

between a man and a woman has sexual

between a man and a woman has sexual tones movies like friends with benefits

tones movies like friends with benefits

tones movies like friends with benefits and no strings attached depict friends

and no strings attached depict friends

and no strings attached depict friends who battle to stay just friends but end

who battle to stay just friends but end

who battle to stay just friends but end up as a couple anyway and I think it’s

up as a couple anyway and I think it’s

up as a couple anyway and I think it’s there’s a lot about the gender

there’s a lot about the gender

there’s a lot about the gender expectations that we hold in our society

expectations that we hold in our society

expectations that we hold in our society that whenever heterosexual men and women

that whenever heterosexual men and women

that whenever heterosexual men and women share a space they cannot resist the

share a space they cannot resist the

share a space they cannot resist the magical chemistry that boils in their

magical chemistry that boils in their

magical chemistry that boils in their brains and veins heading south even the

brains and veins heading south even the

brains and veins heading south even the current vice president of the United

current vice president of the United

current vice president of the United States it’s known to only dine with

States it’s known to only dine with

States it’s known to only dine with women when his wife is present these

women when his wife is present these

women when his wife is present these examples seems to suggest that men and

examples seems to suggest that men and

examples seems to suggest that men and women are more gendered beings than

women are more gendered beings than

women are more gendered beings than human beings and the relational

human beings and the relational

human beings and the relational stereotypes don’t just show up in this

stereotypes don’t just show up in this

stereotypes don’t just show up in this course in action the heterosexual bias

course in action the heterosexual bias

course in action the heterosexual bias also appears in the structures of our

also appears in the structures of our

also appears in the structures of our society this talk takes place in Finland

society this talk takes place in Finland

society this talk takes place in Finland and here if you’re a student the

and here if you’re a student the

and here if you’re a student the government grants you an allowance to

government grants you an allowance to

government grants you an allowance to support your housing and studying

support your housing and studying

support your housing and studying the Nordic progressive welfare system

the Nordic progressive welfare system

the Nordic progressive welfare system aims to promote equality whether you’re

aims to promote equality whether you’re

aims to promote equality whether you’re a man or a woman rich or poor you have

a man or a woman rich or poor you have

a man or a woman rich or poor you have equal opportunity for education however

equal opportunity for education however

equal opportunity for education however the government also has a policy and

the government also has a policy and

the government also has a policy and according to the policy for male

according to the policy for male

according to the policy for male students and a female students share a

students and a female students share a

students and a female students share a flat they’re automatically considered to

flat they’re automatically considered to

flat they’re automatically considered to be a couple and they should support each

be a couple and they should support each

be a couple and they should support each other financially as this the government

other financially as this the government

other financially as this the government doesn’t recognize friends of the

doesn’t recognize friends of the

doesn’t recognize friends of the opposite sex

opposite sex

opposite sex such roommates are expected to support

such roommates are expected to support

such roommates are expected to support each other and are denied student

each other and are denied student

each other and are denied student allowance based on their gender well all

allowance based on their gender well all

allowance based on their gender well all of this fascinated me and I felt that

of this fascinated me and I felt that

of this fascinated me and I felt that intimacy their psychological involvement

intimacy their psychological involvement

intimacy their psychological involvement and it’s expression in friendships was

and it’s expression in friendships was

and it’s expression in friendships was much more available for me as a girl

much more available for me as a girl

much more available for me as a girl than what it seemed to be for boys and

than what it seemed to be for boys and

than what it seemed to be for boys and men the gender expectations particularly

men the gender expectations particularly

men the gender expectations particularly those that concern men like coping on

those that concern men like coping on

those that concern men like coping on one’s own and focusing on actions rather

one’s own and focusing on actions rather

one’s own and focusing on actions rather than words they appear to limit the

than words they appear to limit the

than words they appear to limit the interpersonal options of some men so I

interpersonal options of some men so I

interpersonal options of some men so I became a researcher of interpersonal

became a researcher of interpersonal

became a researcher of interpersonal communication and in my role as a

communication and in my role as a

communication and in my role as a scholar I’ve been investigating men’s

scholar I’ve been investigating men’s

scholar I’ve been investigating men’s social relationships well when you turn

social relationships well when you turn

social relationships well when you turn to research literature on close

to research literature on close

to research literature on close relationships the first thing you notice

relationships the first thing you notice

relationships the first thing you notice is that it’s predominantly on romantic

is that it’s predominantly on romantic

is that it’s predominantly on romantic relationships Studies on friendships are

relationships Studies on friendships are

relationships Studies on friendships are in the minority however however here’s

in the minority however however here’s

in the minority however however here’s what we know friendships are personal

what we know friendships are personal

what we know friendships are personal relationships between two people who

relationships between two people who

relationships between two people who share an emotional bond what’s typical

share an emotional bond what’s typical

share an emotional bond what’s typical for friends is that they have fun

for friends is that they have fun

for friends is that they have fun together but they can also lean on each

together but they can also lean on each

together but they can also lean on each other for comfort dr. Weil Rollins from

other for comfort dr. Weil Rollins from

other for comfort dr. Weil Rollins from Ohio University has distinguished that

Ohio University has distinguished that

Ohio University has distinguished that friendships are voluntary they’re equal

friendships are voluntary they’re equal

friendships are voluntary they’re equal there’s no hierarchy but rather mutual

there’s no hierarchy but rather mutual

there’s no hierarchy but rather mutual involvement and this is true for men and

involvement and this is true for men and

involvement and this is true for men and women still the popular belief says that

women still the popular belief says that

women still the popular belief says that women have better and more meaningful

women have better and more meaningful

women have better and more meaningful friendships than men

friendships than men

friendships than men sois tis true research does affirm that

sois tis true research does affirm that

sois tis true research does affirm that women’s friendships can be very

women’s friendships can be very

women’s friendships can be very expressive and entail a great deal of

expressive and entail a great deal of

expressive and entail a great deal of disclosure self disclosure in particular

disclosure self disclosure in particular

disclosure self disclosure in particular and self disclosure in female

and self disclosure in female

and self disclosure in female friendships means that you tell your

friendships means that you tell your

friendships means that you tell your friend what’s going on in your life how

friend what’s going on in your life how

friend what’s going on in your life how you feel about things and you make

you feel about things and you make

you feel about things and you make yourself vulnerable by sharing the ugly

yourself vulnerable by sharing the ugly

yourself vulnerable by sharing the ugly truths about yourself two studies on

truths about yourself two studies on

truths about yourself two studies on men’s friendships tell us that men tend

men’s friendships tell us that men tend

men’s friendships tell us that men tend to be less self-disclose ‘iv than women

to be less self-disclose ‘iv than women

to be less self-disclose ‘iv than women the argument is that men don’t want to

the argument is that men don’t want to

the argument is that men don’t want to show vulnerability to other men because

show vulnerability to other men because

show vulnerability to other men because their relationships are marked by

their relationships are marked by

their relationships are marked by competition and raising some studies

competition and raising some studies

competition and raising some studies suggest that says men men avoid sharing

suggest that says men men avoid sharing

suggest that says men men avoid sharing the intricacies of their lives they

the intricacies of their lives they

the intricacies of their lives they focus more on activities and communicate

focus more on activities and communicate

focus more on activities and communicate companionship instead the sense of

companionship instead the sense of

companionship instead the sense of loyalty shared interests and reciprocity

loyalty shared interests and reciprocity

loyalty shared interests and reciprocity in assistance like offering to help in a

in assistance like offering to help in a

in assistance like offering to help in a renovation project keep men’s

renovation project keep men’s

renovation project keep men’s friendships thriving well what happens

friendships thriving well what happens

friendships thriving well what happens when you put a man and a woman into a

when you put a man and a woman into a

when you put a man and a woman into a friendship for one women report feeling

friendship for one women report feeling

friendship for one women report feeling a greater release to have fun and

a greater release to have fun and

a greater release to have fun and express another side of themselves

express another side of themselves

express another side of themselves active and playful in their friendships

active and playful in their friendships

active and playful in their friendships with men men on the other hand say that

with men men on the other hand say that

with men men on the other hand say that they enjoy the freedom to have deep

they enjoy the freedom to have deep

they enjoy the freedom to have deep conversations with female friends and

conversations with female friends and

conversations with female friends and experience more intimacy in those

experience more intimacy in those

experience more intimacy in those friendships because they disclose more

friendships because they disclose more

friendships because they disclose more to women than to their male counterparts

there are two things to note here

there are two things to note here one if men report disclosing their cares

one if men report disclosing their cares

one if men report disclosing their cares and worries to female friends then

and worries to female friends then

and worries to female friends then there’s no biological explanation for

there’s no biological explanation for

there’s no biological explanation for why men wouldn’t show vulnerability to

why men wouldn’t show vulnerability to

why men wouldn’t show vulnerability to other men

so now the finger points towards gender

so now the finger points towards gender expectations again what kind of

expectations again what kind of

expectations again what kind of communication is encouraged or

communication is encouraged or

communication is encouraged or discouraged from men and women it’s an

discouraged from men and women it’s an

discouraged from men and women it’s an important question we need to ask

important question we need to ask

important question we need to ask ourselves since we socially construct

ourselves since we socially construct

ourselves since we socially construct and uphold the gender norms by talking

and uphold the gender norms by talking

and uphold the gender norms by talking about boys and girls men and women the

about boys and girls men and women the

about boys and girls men and women the way we do discourse matters too there

way we do discourse matters too there

way we do discourse matters too there are many ways to communicate intimacy in

are many ways to communicate intimacy in

are many ways to communicate intimacy in a friendship we’re used to thinking

a friendship we’re used to thinking

a friendship we’re used to thinking about intimacy as the verbal expressions

about intimacy as the verbal expressions

about intimacy as the verbal expressions of affection and connection but intimacy

of affection and connection but intimacy

of affection and connection but intimacy is highly contextual and by that I mean

is highly contextual and by that I mean

is highly contextual and by that I mean intimacy depends on the friendship

intimacy depends on the friendship

intimacy depends on the friendship communication the way friends talk to

communication the way friends talk to

communication the way friends talk to each other how they recall past

each other how they recall past

each other how they recall past experiences and build trust

experiences and build trust

experiences and build trust what kind of routines and rituals they

what kind of routines and rituals they

what kind of routines and rituals they have how they show availability and

have how they show availability and

have how they show availability and grant each other autonomy it all varies

grant each other autonomy it all varies

grant each other autonomy it all varies according to the individuals who create

according to the individuals who create

according to the individuals who create and maintain that friendship there for

and maintain that friendship there for

and maintain that friendship there for intimacy may be communicated by telling

intimacy may be communicated by telling

intimacy may be communicated by telling your friend how much he means to you

your friend how much he means to you

your friend how much he means to you over a pint of beer or he may be

over a pint of beer or he may be

over a pint of beer or he may be communicated by adding an inside joke

communicated by adding an inside joke

communicated by adding an inside joke under her Instagram post friendships are

under her Instagram post friendships are

under her Instagram post friendships are unique as unique as we are as

unique as unique as we are as

unique as unique as we are as individuals my research on Finnish men’s

individuals my research on Finnish men’s

individuals my research on Finnish men’s friendships confirm that men to have

friendships confirm that men to have

friendships confirm that men to have close relationships with other men and

close relationships with other men and

close relationships with other men and they do provide emotional support to

they do provide emotional support to

they do provide emotional support to each other and the opposite is true to

each other and the opposite is true to

each other and the opposite is true to gender expectations make some men hold

gender expectations make some men hold

gender expectations make some men hold back and avoid self disclosure in their

back and avoid self disclosure in their

back and avoid self disclosure in their same-sex friendships nevertheless those

same-sex friendships nevertheless those

same-sex friendships nevertheless those men who experience the freedom to

men who experience the freedom to

men who experience the freedom to express themselves report having

express themselves report having

express themselves report having intimate conversations with their male

intimate conversations with their male

intimate conversations with their male friends and share their lives openly

friends and share their lives openly

friends and share their lives openly with their male friends

so we should really perceive men and

so we should really perceive men and women as trees of the same forest they

women as trees of the same forest they

women as trees of the same forest they both value talk equally in their

both value talk equally in their

both value talk equally in their friendships and they mark enjoyment of

friendships and they mark enjoyment of

friendships and they mark enjoyment of each other’s company as one of the most

each other’s company as one of the most

each other’s company as one of the most important qualities of friendship the

important qualities of friendship the

important qualities of friendship the truth is that as individuals were all

truth is that as individuals were all

truth is that as individuals were all different and our individual differences

different and our individual differences

different and our individual differences outweigh the gender differences by a

outweigh the gender differences by a

outweigh the gender differences by a mile in other words men and women are

mile in other words men and women are

mile in other words men and women are much more similar than different so

much more similar than different so

much more similar than different so focusing on the differences is like

focusing on the differences is like

focusing on the differences is like zooming in on zebras and claiming that

zooming in on zebras and claiming that

zooming in on zebras and claiming that the animals are either black or white in

the animals are either black or white in

the animals are either black or white in the past decades we’ve seen an increase

the past decades we’ve seen an increase

the past decades we’ve seen an increase in friendships between men and women

in friendships between men and women

in friendships between men and women adolescents and young adults they spend

adolescents and young adults they spend

adolescents and young adults they spend time in mixed groups they accept various

time in mixed groups they accept various

time in mixed groups they accept various gender categories into their social

gender categories into their social

gender categories into their social circle and they’re less constrained by

circle and they’re less constrained by

circle and they’re less constrained by the binary male-female dichotomy

therefore it’s time for us to hit the

therefore it’s time for us to hit the refresh button on our beliefs about

refresh button on our beliefs about

refresh button on our beliefs about friends of the opposite sex

friends of the opposite sex

friends of the opposite sex intimacy is not a gender thing it’s not

intimacy is not a gender thing it’s not

intimacy is not a gender thing it’s not a cultural thing either intimacy is a

a cultural thing either intimacy is a

a cultural thing either intimacy is a human thing we all need connection so I

human thing we all need connection so I

human thing we all need connection so I propose we take the following action

propose we take the following action

propose we take the following action first look within yourself what are the

first look within yourself what are the

first look within yourself what are the gendered ideals you have about

gendered ideals you have about

gendered ideals you have about friendship and why be mindful about the

friendship and why be mindful about the

friendship and why be mindful about the way you describe other people’s

way you describe other people’s

way you describe other people’s friendships because we can truly only

friendships because we can truly only

friendships because we can truly only know about our own let’s respect

know about our own let’s respect

know about our own let’s respect people’s unique attachments and

people’s unique attachments and

people’s unique attachments and celebrate all bonds that make us feel

celebrate all bonds that make us feel

celebrate all bonds that make us feel good second support children in becoming

good second support children in becoming

good second support children in becoming friends and staying friends with kids

friends and staying friends with kids

friends and staying friends with kids that they have fun with and who share

that they have fun with and who share

that they have fun with and who share similar interests those kids may not

similar interests those kids may not

similar interests those kids may not always be your best pick but remember we

always be your best pick but remember we

always be your best pick but remember we cannot choose who other people feel

cannot choose who other people feel

cannot choose who other people feel connected to

connected to

connected to and don’t just advocate for children’s

and don’t just advocate for children’s

and don’t just advocate for children’s friendships when it comes to your

friendships when it comes to your

friendships when it comes to your romantic relationship encourage them to

romantic relationship encourage them to

romantic relationship encourage them to hold on to their personal friendships

hold on to their personal friendships

hold on to their personal friendships because friends are like mirrors we get

because friends are like mirrors we get

because friends are like mirrors we get to see ourselves through the eyes of

to see ourselves through the eyes of

to see ourselves through the eyes of those who accept us and care about us

those who accept us and care about us

those who accept us and care about us and that’s invaluable and while you’re

and that’s invaluable and while you’re

and that’s invaluable and while you’re at it take a closer look at the zebra

at it take a closer look at the zebra

at it take a closer look at the zebra you possibly have at home because what I

you possibly have at home because what I

you possibly have at home because what I think about where I am in my life I have

think about where I am in my life I have

think about where I am in my life I have a wonderful lover but I admit I love my

a wonderful lover but I admit I love my

a wonderful lover but I admit I love my friend more luckily they’re the same

friend more luckily they’re the same

friend more luckily they’re the same person because I don’t love him because

person because I don’t love him because

person because I don’t love him because he’s tall strong or handsome I love him

he’s tall strong or handsome I love him

he’s tall strong or handsome I love him because he’s there for me and I can be

because he’s there for me and I can be

because he’s there for me and I can be there for him and we share good laughs

there for him and we share good laughs

there for him and we share good laughs together and we’re free to walk away

together and we’re free to walk away

together and we’re free to walk away every day and yet we choose to

every day and yet we choose to

every day and yet we choose to experience life together because all

experience life together because all

experience life together because all great relationships require respect the

great relationships require respect the

great relationships require respect the right to autonomy and privacy

right to autonomy and privacy

right to autonomy and privacy expressions of gratitude and continued

expressions of gratitude and continued

expressions of gratitude and continued shelf trust and being worth your word

shelf trust and being worth your word

shelf trust and being worth your word and these are all the fundamentals of

and these are all the fundamentals of

and these are all the fundamentals of friendship your biological sex does not

friendship your biological sex does not

friendship your biological sex does not determine the intimacy you can

determine the intimacy you can

determine the intimacy you can experience in your friendship you and

experience in your friendship you and

experience in your friendship you and your friend determine that you are the

your friend determine that you are the

your friend determine that you are the Carpenters of kindness in your

Carpenters of kindness in your

Carpenters of kindness in your relationship even though my childhood

relationship even though my childhood

relationship even though my childhood friend and I spend less and less time

friend and I spend less and less time

friend and I spend less and less time together as we became teenagers our

together as we became teenagers our

together as we became teenagers our friendship never left our hearts after

friendship never left our hearts after

friendship never left our hearts after travels marriages and children we’re

travels marriages and children we’re

travels marriages and children we’re still as connected as we were in the

still as connected as we were in the

still as connected as we were in the forest decorating the tree house with

forest decorating the tree house with

forest decorating the tree house with pine cones so if you want to build a

pine cones so if you want to build a

pine cones so if you want to build a solid close relationship build it on a

solid close relationship build it on a

solid close relationship build it on a sturdy hook of friendship

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