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the future is female that is a slogan we

the future is female that is a slogan we hear a lot nowadays you supermodels wear

hear a lot nowadays you supermodels wear

hear a lot nowadays you supermodels wear it on t-shirts Hillary Clinton used it

it on t-shirts Hillary Clinton used it

it on t-shirts Hillary Clinton used it in her campaign the one she lost to

in her campaign the one she lost to

in her campaign the one she lost to Donald Trump Trump Trump Trump haha you

Donald Trump Trump Trump Trump haha you

Donald Trump Trump Trump Trump haha you can buy mugs saying the future is female

can buy mugs saying the future is female

can buy mugs saying the future is female phone cases keyrings

phone cases keyrings

phone cases keyrings the internet is basically full of this

the internet is basically full of this

the internet is basically full of this kind of stuff but what does it mean the

kind of stuff but what does it mean the

kind of stuff but what does it mean the future is female is it a promise and

future is female is it a promise and

future is female is it a promise and aspiration or maybe a threat what I’m

aspiration or maybe a threat what I’m

aspiration or maybe a threat what I’m going to talk to you about today is what

going to talk to you about today is what

going to talk to you about today is what if it’s not a slogan the future is

if it’s not a slogan the future is

if it’s not a slogan the future is female what if it’s the truth a simple

female what if it’s the truth a simple

female what if it’s the truth a simple statement of fact and what if this truth

statement of fact and what if this truth

statement of fact and what if this truth is brought to you not by feminists or

is brought to you not by feminists or

is brought to you not by feminists or activists or even by Beyonce but by

activists or even by Beyonce but by

activists or even by Beyonce but by robots in the late 1990s the German car

robots in the late 1990s the German car

robots in the late 1990s the German car manufacturer BMW was flooded with calls

manufacturer BMW was flooded with calls

manufacturer BMW was flooded with calls it was flooded with angry calls angry

it was flooded with angry calls angry

it was flooded with angry calls angry calls from angry German men and it was

calls from angry German men and it was

calls from angry German men and it was all regarding the new voice navigation

all regarding the new voice navigation

all regarding the new voice navigation system in the BMW 5-series

system in the BMW 5-series

system in the BMW 5-series because BMW had given the voice

because BMW had given the voice

because BMW had given the voice navigation system a female voice at the

navigation system a female voice at the

navigation system a female voice at the roundabout take the third exit turn left

roundabout take the third exit turn left

roundabout take the third exit turn left on the high street she said and this

on the high street she said and this

on the high street she said and this infuriated some German men because they

infuriated some German men because they

infuriated some German men because they would not take directions from a woman

would not take directions from a woman

would not take directions from a woman and this is what they said and in some

and this is what they said and in some

and this is what they said and in some instances shouted on the phone to BMW so

instances shouted on the phone to BMW so

instances shouted on the phone to BMW so things have certainly

things have certainly

things have certainly change sins and not just our view of

change sins and not just our view of

change sins and not just our view of women and women giving directions but

women and women giving directions but

women and women giving directions but our whole approach to these type of

our whole approach to these type of

our whole approach to these type of intelligent machines of which the voice

intelligent machines of which the voice

intelligent machines of which the voice navigation system was an example today

navigation system was an example today

navigation system was an example today we don’t pick up the phone

we don’t pick up the phone

we don’t pick up the phone to customer service and complain about

to customer service and complain about

to customer service and complain about them we are too busy being a scared of

them we are too busy being a scared of

them we are too busy being a scared of these machines taking our jobs will you

these machines taking our jobs will you

these machines taking our jobs will you be replaced by a robot we can read

be replaced by a robot we can read

be replaced by a robot we can read newspaper articles about this almost

newspaper articles about this almost

newspaper articles about this almost every week and they go on listing all

every week and they go on listing all

every week and they go on listing all the professions that are under threat

the professions that are under threat

the professions that are under threat taxi drivers surgeons bankers lawyers

taxi drivers surgeons bankers lawyers

taxi drivers surgeons bankers lawyers etc etc anything you can do we read soon

etc etc anything you can do we read soon

etc etc anything you can do we read soon there will be a robot that can do it

there will be a robot that can do it

there will be a robot that can do it better and that robot is after your job

better and that robot is after your job

better and that robot is after your job now I’m a journalist and I am well aware

now I’m a journalist and I am well aware

now I’m a journalist and I am well aware that they’re already robots writing

that they’re already robots writing

that they’re already robots writing newspaper articles and last year as a

newspaper articles and last year as a

newspaper articles and last year as a matter of fact Japanese artificial

matter of fact Japanese artificial

matter of fact Japanese artificial intelligence system co-authored a short

intelligence system co-authored a short

intelligence system co-authored a short form novel and that novel was actually

form novel and that novel was actually

form novel and that novel was actually passed the first screening for a

passed the first screening for a

passed the first screening for a national literary award so yes the

national literary award so yes the

national literary award so yes the robots are coming and it’s not well it’s

robots are coming and it’s not well it’s

robots are coming and it’s not well it’s new in some sense but we have been

new in some sense but we have been

new in some sense but we have been through this all before we call this

through this all before we call this

through this all before we call this process that we’re going through with

process that we’re going through with

process that we’re going through with sort of robotics and artificial

sort of robotics and artificial

sort of robotics and artificial intelligence developing and changing the

intelligence developing and changing the

intelligence developing and changing the economy which is happening right now we

economy which is happening right now we

economy which is happening right now we call it the fourth Industrial Revolution

call it the fourth Industrial Revolution

call it the fourth Industrial Revolution which kind of implies that there’s been

which kind of implies that there’s been

which kind of implies that there’s been a first a second and a third Industrial

a first a second and a third Industrial

a first a second and a third Industrial Revolution before and there has and

Revolution before and there has and

Revolution before and there has and maybe they were not on the same scale

maybe they were not on the same scale

maybe they were not on the same scale maybe not they were not of the exact

maybe not they were not of the exact

maybe not they were not of the exact same kind but they were industrial

same kind but they were industrial

same kind but they were industrial revolutions so in the 17 and 1800’s we

revolutions so in the 17 and 1800’s we

revolutions so in the 17 and 1800’s we developed machines that were physically

developed machines that were physically

developed machines that were physically superior to humans in the sense that

superior to humans in the sense that

superior to humans in the sense that they could lift more work faster and hit

they could lift more work faster and hit

they could lift more work faster and hit harder in the factories and they entered

harder in the factories and they entered

harder in the factories and they entered the factories and they destroyed lots of

the factories and they destroyed lots of

the factories and they destroyed lots of jobs and they created lots of social

jobs and they created lots of social

jobs and they created lots of social tension and what they really did with

tension and what they really did with

tension and what they really did with the labor market is that they made human

the labor market is that they made human

the labor market is that they made human physical strength less important on the

physical strength less important on the

physical strength less important on the labor market and this eventually after

labor market and this eventually after

labor market and this eventually after all this social tension freed many

all this social tension freed many

all this social tension freed many humans up from the physical labor to

humans up from the physical labor to

humans up from the physical labor to instead focus on the work of the mind

instead focus on the work of the mind

instead focus on the work of the mind and we got what we call the knowledge

and we got what we call the knowledge

and we got what we call the knowledge economy what human beings contribute

economy what human beings contribute

economy what human beings contribute with in this knowledge economy is our

with in this knowledge economy is our

with in this knowledge economy is our knowledge not our physical strength I

knowledge not our physical strength I

knowledge not our physical strength I think therefore I am employed right so

think therefore I am employed right so

think therefore I am employed right so what happens if artificial intelligence

what happens if artificial intelligence

what happens if artificial intelligence gets better at thinking than us and this

gets better at thinking than us and this

gets better at thinking than us and this is of course what we are very very

is of course what we are very very

is of course what we are very very afraid of at the moment if the machines

afraid of at the moment if the machines

afraid of at the moment if the machines get better with knowledge if they can

get better with knowledge if they can

get better with knowledge if they can store more knowledge which they can and

store more knowledge which they can and

store more knowledge which they can and process more knowledge which they can

process more knowledge which they can

process more knowledge which they can and they will just improve what will be

and they will just improve what will be

and they will just improve what will be left for us to do what will be to speak

left for us to do what will be to speak

left for us to do what will be to speak economics for a while our competitive

economics for a while our competitive

economics for a while our competitive advantage so I would suggest a few

advantage so I would suggest a few

advantage so I would suggest a few things care relationships and empathy

things care relationships and empathy

things care relationships and empathy all of this is tremendously important

all of this is tremendously important

all of this is tremendously important for any economy and all of this requires

for any economy and all of this requires

for any economy and all of this requires at least on some level humaneness there

at least on some level humaneness there

at least on some level humaneness there is a form of consensus emerging that the

is a form of consensus emerging that the

is a form of consensus emerging that the sectors of the economy that will be

sectors of the economy that will be

sectors of the economy that will be relatively protected from automations

relatively protected from automations

relatively protected from automations and the robots coming our sectors and

and the robots coming our sectors and

and the robots coming our sectors and jobs and professions that require what

jobs and professions that require what

jobs and professions that require what we would call a human touch so we’re

we would call a human touch so we’re

we would call a human touch so we’re talking about things like jobs in

talking about things like jobs in

talking about things like jobs in nursing in elderly care early childhood

nursing in elderly care early childhood

nursing in elderly care early childhood education Social Work and psychiatry and

education Social Work and psychiatry and

education Social Work and psychiatry and the skills that where human beings will

the skills that where human beings will

the skills that where human beings will have a competitive advantage against the

have a competitive advantage against the

have a competitive advantage against the robots are the skills needed to do these

robots are the skills needed to do these

robots are the skills needed to do these professions well so relationship

professions well so relationship

professions well so relationship building empathy relationship

building empathy relationship

building empathy relationship maintaining

maintaining

maintaining etc etc now it’s interesting from a

etc etc now it’s interesting from a

etc etc now it’s interesting from a feminist point of view is of course that

feminist point of view is of course that

feminist point of view is of course that these sectors of the economy that are

these sectors of the economy that are

these sectors of the economy that are said to be relatively safe to automation

said to be relatively safe to automation

said to be relatively safe to automation our sectors of the economy very much

our sectors of the economy very much

our sectors of the economy very much dominated by women and the skills

dominated by women and the skills

dominated by women and the skills required to do these type of jobs well

required to do these type of jobs well

required to do these type of jobs well are the same skills that we have been

are the same skills that we have been

are the same skills that we have been taught to view as female skills that

taught to view as female skills that

taught to view as female skills that have probably not been thought about

have probably not been thought about

have probably not been thought about that much as sort of central to the

that much as sort of central to the

that much as sort of central to the economy things that we have largely

economy things that we have largely

economy things that we have largely taken for granted and if you look at the

taken for granted and if you look at the

taken for granted and if you look at the care sector in almost any economy in the

care sector in almost any economy in the

care sector in almost any economy in the world you will find women working there

world you will find women working there

world you will find women working there in many cases women of ethnic minorities

in many cases women of ethnic minorities

in many cases women of ethnic minorities for very little pay often below minimum

for very little pay often below minimum

for very little pay often below minimum wage so what happens if this very very

wage so what happens if this very very

wage so what happens if this very very undervalued sector of the economy and

undervalued sector of the economy and

undervalued sector of the economy and these very very undervalued skills

these very very undervalued skills

these very very undervalued skills suddenly become so the part of the

suddenly become so the part of the

suddenly become so the part of the economy kind of protected from the

economy kind of protected from the

economy kind of protected from the robots will it make us value it more

robots will it make us value it more

robots will it make us value it more will the care sector move from the

will the care sector move from the

will the care sector move from the margins of the economy to the center of

margins of the economy to the center of

margins of the economy to the center of the economy

the economy

the economy well the skills required to do these

well the skills required to do these

well the skills required to do these type of jobs well move from the margin

type of jobs well move from the margin

type of jobs well move from the margin to the center in the same way and will

to the center in the same way and will

to the center in the same way and will the future in this sense be female well

the future in this sense be female well

the future in this sense be female well some people would say well you know the

some people would say well you know the

some people would say well you know the machines will learn to do care work as

machines will learn to do care work as

machines will learn to do care work as well and maybe they will there are

well and maybe they will there are

well and maybe they will there are certain aspects of care work that lends

certain aspects of care work that lends

certain aspects of care work that lends itself very well to automation and in

itself very well to automation and in

itself very well to automation and in Japan they have already developed

Japan they have already developed

Japan they have already developed machines that can lift a patient from

machines that can lift a patient from

machines that can lift a patient from the wheelchair and put them on their bed

the wheelchair and put them on their bed

the wheelchair and put them on their bed and Toyota are developing robots that

and Toyota are developing robots that

and Toyota are developing robots that can help with housework or follow

can help with housework or follow

can help with housework or follow nursing assistants around helping with

nursing assistants around helping with

nursing assistants around helping with different things but I think most of us

different things but I think most of us

different things but I think most of us would agree that there is something

would agree that there is something

would agree that there is something about these professions that at least if

about these professions that at least if

about these professions that at least if you are going to do them well requires

you are going to do them well requires

you are going to do them well requires human empathy and human connection and

human empathy and human connection and

human empathy and human connection and there’s also this paradox in within

there’s also this paradox in within

there’s also this paradox in within robotics that basically says that

robotics that basically says that

robotics that basically says that whatever we as human beings find

whatever we as human beings find

whatever we as human beings find difficult or hard to learn

difficult or hard to learn

difficult or hard to learn it’s like advanced chess or advanced

it’s like advanced chess or advanced

it’s like advanced chess or advanced mathematics that is quite easy for

mathematics that is quite easy for

mathematics that is quite easy for computers to learn and Excel it but

computers to learn and Excel it but

computers to learn and Excel it but stuff that comes natural to us like

stuff that comes natural to us like

stuff that comes natural to us like walking or catching a ball or hopscotch

walking or catching a ball or hopscotch

walking or catching a ball or hopscotch you know they’re even harder in these

you know they’re even harder in these

you know they’re even harder in these type of shoes machines find really hard

type of shoes machines find really hard

type of shoes machines find really hard but is really really hard to program

but is really really hard to program

but is really really hard to program and in some sense maybe it doesn’t

and in some sense maybe it doesn’t

and in some sense maybe it doesn’t matter that computers can quite easily

matter that computers can quite easily

matter that computers can quite easily nowadays beat the world champion in

nowadays beat the world champion in

nowadays beat the world champion in chess because there’s not a single robot

chess because there’s not a single robot

chess because there’s not a single robot out there that is able to come into

out there that is able to come into

out there that is able to come into another person’s home and make that

another person’s home and make that

another person’s home and make that person a cup of tea that is too hard and

person a cup of tea that is too hard and

person a cup of tea that is too hard and there’s not a single robot that’s able

there’s not a single robot that’s able

there’s not a single robot that’s able to follow your average toddler around a

to follow your average toddler around a

to follow your average toddler around a playground and keeping this toddlers

playground and keeping this toddlers

playground and keeping this toddlers safe on swings and climbing frames and

safe on swings and climbing frames and

safe on swings and climbing frames and and etc that’s too hard to program to

and etc that’s too hard to program to

and etc that’s too hard to program to because all of that knowledge that type

because all of that knowledge that type

because all of that knowledge that type of knowledge is stuff we humans learn

of knowledge is stuff we humans learn

of knowledge is stuff we humans learn through our bodies interacting with our

through our bodies interacting with our

through our bodies interacting with our environment which of course is difficult

environment which of course is difficult

environment which of course is difficult for machines and so what will change

for machines and so what will change

for machines and so what will change with this there is another thing that I

with this there is another thing that I

with this there is another thing that I find quite interesting about all of this

find quite interesting about all of this

find quite interesting about all of this about the body and that’s of course that

about the body and that’s of course that

about the body and that’s of course that women we’ve been expected to do the work

women we’ve been expected to do the work

women we’ve been expected to do the work that men don’t want to do and a lot of

that men don’t want to do and a lot of

that men don’t want to do and a lot of this work in the economy is work around

this work in the economy is work around

this work in the economy is work around the body you know the bearing and racing

the body you know the bearing and racing

the body you know the bearing and racing of children of course but also looking

of children of course but also looking

of children of course but also looking after bodies the old the sick the young

after bodies the old the sick the young

after bodies the old the sick the young looking after men’s bodies so men are

looking after men’s bodies so men are

looking after men’s bodies so men are freed up to do the work of the mind and

freed up to do the work of the mind and

freed up to do the work of the mind and the better women in the economy have

the better women in the economy have

the better women in the economy have been

been

been doing this type of work the more

doing this type of work the more

doing this type of work the more invisible it has become will the robots

invisible it has become will the robots

invisible it has become will the robots change this well there is a chance

change this well there is a chance

change this well there is a chance because most of the skills that women

because most of the skills that women

because most of the skills that women have been expected to excel at or at

have been expected to excel at or at

have been expected to excel at or at least do without complaining in the

least do without complaining in the

least do without complaining in the economy are the exact same things that

economy are the exact same things that

economy are the exact same things that artificial intelligence really struggles

artificial intelligence really struggles

artificial intelligence really struggles with so imagine a future where robots

with so imagine a future where robots

with so imagine a future where robots and artificial intelligence comes into

and artificial intelligence comes into

and artificial intelligence comes into sector of the sector of the economy and

sector of the sector of the economy and

sector of the sector of the economy and destroys jobs and men who have lost

destroys jobs and men who have lost

destroys jobs and men who have lost their jobs to artificial intelligence

their jobs to artificial intelligence

their jobs to artificial intelligence will have to move into jobs in nursing

will have to move into jobs in nursing

will have to move into jobs in nursing childcare and elderly care because

childcare and elderly care because

childcare and elderly care because that’s where the demand for humans in

that’s where the demand for humans in

that’s where the demand for humans in the economy will be now that type of

the economy will be now that type of

the economy will be now that type of transition will be in many ways harder

transition will be in many ways harder

transition will be in many ways harder than in previous in industrial

than in previous in industrial

than in previous in industrial revolutions where we had to move people

revolutions where we had to move people

revolutions where we had to move people from the countryside when jobs were lost

from the countryside when jobs were lost

from the countryside when jobs were lost in agriculture into the factories in the

in agriculture into the factories in the

in agriculture into the factories in the cities because to move unemployed men

cities because to move unemployed men

cities because to move unemployed men into those type of sectors actually

into those type of sectors actually

into those type of sectors actually requires not sure sort of you know it’s

requires not sure sort of you know it’s

requires not sure sort of you know it’s not just a question of economics and

not just a question of economics and

not just a question of economics and public policy but also about sort of

public policy but also about sort of

public policy but also about sort of changing what masculinity is and how we

changing what masculinity is and how we

changing what masculinity is and how we value care work in the economy but

value care work in the economy but

value care work in the economy but there’s a big discussion at the moment

there’s a big discussion at the moment

there’s a big discussion at the moment about you know the need for more

about you know the need for more

about you know the need for more economic redistribution because of the

economic redistribution because of the

economic redistribution because of the robots so taxing the robots and maybe

robots so taxing the robots and maybe

robots so taxing the robots and maybe creating something like a universal

creating something like a universal

creating something like a universal basic income for people who’ve lost the

basic income for people who’ve lost the

basic income for people who’ve lost the jobs but I think just as important as

jobs but I think just as important as

jobs but I think just as important as sort of this discussion about taxing the

sort of this discussion about taxing the

sort of this discussion about taxing the very board saw the openness of the robot

very board saw the openness of the robot

very board saw the openness of the robot or whoever we’re gonna tax it’s a

or whoever we’re gonna tax it’s a

or whoever we’re gonna tax it’s a discussion what do we do with the money

discussion what do we do with the money

discussion what do we do with the money that we raise in this way and to spend

that we raise in this way and to spend

that we raise in this way and to spend this money into creating good jobs in

this money into creating good jobs in

this money into creating good jobs in the care sector whether human beings

the care sector whether human beings

the care sector whether human beings will actually keep on probably at least

will actually keep on probably at least

will actually keep on probably at least for the foreseeable future to have a

for the foreseeable future to have a

for the foreseeable future to have a competitive advantage over the robots

competitive advantage over the robots

competitive advantage over the robots and where there will be big demand

and where there will be big demand

and where there will be big demand because of our aging societies that

because of our aging societies that

because of our aging societies that would make a lot of sense also it would

would make a lot of sense also it would

would make a lot of sense also it would and be a bad Society we would be

and be a bad Society we would be

and be a bad Society we would be creating it would kind of be like

creating it would kind of be like

creating it would kind of be like changing the knowledge economy for the

changing the knowledge economy for the

changing the knowledge economy for the empathy economy or maybe the

empathy economy or maybe the

empathy economy or maybe the relationship economy and in this sense

relationship economy and in this sense

relationship economy and in this sense the machines could actually help us

the machines could actually help us

the machines could actually help us become more humans that is if we let

become more humans that is if we let

become more humans that is if we let them now there are lot of people lots of

them now there are lot of people lots of

them now there are lot of people lots of very intelligent people that say that no

very intelligent people that say that no

very intelligent people that say that no this won’t happen artificial

this won’t happen artificial

this won’t happen artificial intelligence is nothing that will help

intelligence is nothing that will help

intelligence is nothing that will help us it’s an art it’s an fundamental

us it’s an art it’s an fundamental

us it’s an art it’s an fundamental threat to humanity and soon there won’t

threat to humanity and soon there won’t

threat to humanity and soon there won’t be anything left that the robot that we

be anything left that the robot that we

be anything left that the robot that we can do better than the robots so let’s

can do better than the robots so let’s

can do better than the robots so let’s just assume that these people aren’t

just assume that these people aren’t

just assume that these people aren’t wrong I’m not saying there are I don’t

wrong I’m not saying there are I don’t

wrong I’m not saying there are I don’t know I can’t look into the future but

know I can’t look into the future but

know I can’t look into the future but let’s for a moment assume that they are

let’s for a moment assume that they are

let’s for a moment assume that they are wrong are they wrong because they are

wrong are they wrong because they are

wrong are they wrong because they are overestimating the robots or are they

overestimating the robots or are they

overestimating the robots or are they wrong because they are under estimating

wrong because they are under estimating

wrong because they are under estimating their own humanity and to be more

their own humanity and to be more

their own humanity and to be more specific that they are under estimating

specific that they are under estimating

specific that they are under estimating the parts of their own humanity that we

the parts of their own humanity that we

the parts of their own humanity that we have for centuries branded as female and

have for centuries branded as female and

have for centuries branded as female and therefore deemed as unimportant shoved

therefore deemed as unimportant shoved

therefore deemed as unimportant shoved to one side and said this is not

to one side and said this is not

to one side and said this is not relevant not to the economy not to the

relevant not to the economy not to the

relevant not to the economy not to the society this is something we are just

society this is something we are just

society this is something we are just going to take for granted but maybe it

going to take for granted but maybe it

going to take for granted but maybe it is relevant maybe it’s the key to this

is relevant maybe it’s the key to this

is relevant maybe it’s the key to this whole fourth Industrial Revolution thank

whole fourth Industrial Revolution thank

whole fourth Industrial Revolution thank you

you

you [Applause]

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