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[Applause] good afternoon everyone I have someone

good afternoon everyone I have someone

good afternoon everyone I have someone actually joining us here today so give

actually joining us here today so give

actually joining us here today so give me one second hello mark can can you

me one second hello mark can can you

me one second hello mark can can you hear me mark there’s tons of static mark

hear me mark there’s tons of static mark

hear me mark there’s tons of static mark is that you mark king can you change

is that you mark king can you change

is that you mark king can you change your line mark mark sorry sorry everyone

your line mark mark sorry sorry everyone

your line mark mark sorry sorry everyone so up until about six months ago this

so up until about six months ago this

so up until about six months ago this was my normal morning call now my normal

was my normal morning call now my normal

was my normal morning call now my normal morning is I wake up between 7:00 to

morning is I wake up between 7:00 to

morning is I wake up between 7:00 to 8:30 in the morning every day we’re

8:30 in the morning every day we’re

8:30 in the morning every day we’re neither my kids jump on my bed they

neither my kids jump on my bed they

neither my kids jump on my bed they start screaming they start hitting each

start screaming they start hitting each

start screaming they start hitting each other they start crying something always

other they start crying something always

other they start crying something always happens and I get out of bed I make the

happens and I get out of bed I make the

happens and I get out of bed I make the most of the morning I play with them a

most of the morning I play with them a

most of the morning I play with them a little bit I mean it’s an absolute blast

little bit I mean it’s an absolute blast

little bit I mean it’s an absolute blast then I take a few steps and in less than

then I take a few steps and in less than

then I take a few steps and in less than 5 seconds I’m at work I get into my

5 seconds I’m at work I get into my

5 seconds I’m at work I get into my study I open up my computer and this is

study I open up my computer and this is

study I open up my computer and this is what I see boom 1 2 3

what I see boom 1 2 3

what I see boom 1 2 3 sometimes up to 20 different people with

sometimes up to 20 different people with

sometimes up to 20 different people with other their faces or names on screens on

other their faces or names on screens on

other their faces or names on screens on my computer 30 different people from

my computer 30 different people from

my computer 30 different people from over 10 different nationalities spread

over 10 different nationalities spread

over 10 different nationalities spread all around the world talking nonstop 5

all around the world talking nonstop 5

all around the world talking nonstop 5 different offices around the world 5

different offices around the world 5

different offices around the world 5 different time zones complete chaos but

different time zones complete chaos but

different time zones complete chaos but it’s actually a blast so I do this

it’s actually a blast so I do this

it’s actually a blast so I do this between 2 to 6 hours

between 2 to 6 hours

between 2 to 6 hours every single day of the week I currently

every single day of the week I currently

every single day of the week I currently manage a team of 30 people from 10 very

manage a team of 30 people from 10 very

manage a team of 30 people from 10 very very very very different nationalities I

very very very different nationalities I

very very very different nationalities I don’t actually know what is tougher the

don’t actually know what is tougher the

don’t actually know what is tougher the remote part of having to interact with

remote part of having to interact with

remote part of having to interact with all of my team just using Skype

all of my team just using Skype

all of my team just using Skype videoconference telephone or email or

videoconference telephone or email or

videoconference telephone or email or the different cultural interpretations

the different cultural interpretations

the different cultural interpretations to everyday things that happen in the

to everyday things that happen in the

to everyday things that happen in the workplace

workplace

workplace luckily my own personal journey has been

luckily my own personal journey has been

luckily my own personal journey has been a bit of a nomad experience I was

a bit of a nomad experience I was

a bit of a nomad experience I was actually born here in Spain and before I

actually born here in Spain and before I

actually born here in Spain and before I was even a month I moved to Africa then

was even a month I moved to Africa then

was even a month I moved to Africa then I spend five years in Puerto Rico then a

I spend five years in Puerto Rico then a

I spend five years in Puerto Rico then a few more years in Spain then five years

few more years in Spain then five years

few more years in Spain then five years in the Netherlands then I spent 10 years

in the Netherlands then I spent 10 years

in the Netherlands then I spent 10 years between LA San Francisco in New York

between LA San Francisco in New York

between LA San Francisco in New York please don’t try to add all of this up

please don’t try to add all of this up

please don’t try to add all of this up it’s a little bit chaotic before I move

it’s a little bit chaotic before I move

it’s a little bit chaotic before I move back to Europe travelled a little bit

back to Europe travelled a little bit

back to Europe travelled a little bit around and finally settling down back in

around and finally settling down back in

around and finally settling down back in Madrid I am no expert in cultures I

Madrid I am no expert in cultures I

Madrid I am no expert in cultures I haven’t studied about cultures and I

haven’t studied about cultures and I

haven’t studied about cultures and I haven’t read many books about cultures

haven’t read many books about cultures

haven’t read many books about cultures but I’ve had hundreds of experiences

but I’ve had hundreds of experiences

but I’ve had hundreds of experiences managing everyday problems that arise

managing everyday problems that arise

managing everyday problems that arise from managing a multicultural team

from managing a multicultural team

from managing a multicultural team remotely and still I make many mistakes

remotely and still I make many mistakes

remotely and still I make many mistakes so why am I talking about this today

so why am I talking about this today

so why am I talking about this today because this situation that I face every

because this situation that I face every

because this situation that I face every single day will happen to most of you if

single day will happen to most of you if

single day will happen to most of you if it already hasn’t happened people want

it already hasn’t happened people want

it already hasn’t happened people want flexibility people want the choice of

flexibility people want the choice of

flexibility people want the choice of word work and they want it now take a

word work and they want it now take a

word work and they want it now take a look at this graph here so this is what

look at this graph here so this is what

look at this graph here so this is what Millennials want from the workplace they

Millennials want from the workplace they

Millennials want from the workplace they want training I think we can all agree

want training I think we can all agree

want training I think we can all agree with that you know they want to learn at

with that you know they want to learn at

with that you know they want to learn at work and they want flexible working

work and they want flexible working

work and they want flexible working hours they want to work remotely they

hours they want to work remotely they

hours they want to work remotely they want to choose when they work they want

want to choose when they work they want

want to choose when they work they want to have flexibility during the day they

to have flexibility during the day they

to have flexibility during the day they want this above cash bonuses they want

want this above cash bonuses they want

want this above cash bonuses they want this above private health care they want

this above private health care they want

this above private health care they want this above more vacation I mean they

this above more vacation I mean they

this above more vacation I mean they want this above maternity paternity

want this above maternity paternity

want this above maternity paternity benefits people want flexibility

many people on my team how great it is

many people on my team how great it is to work remotely the reality is that

to work remotely the reality is that

to work remotely the reality is that they end up working a lot more hours

they end up working a lot more hours

they end up working a lot more hours actually a ton more hours very late at

actually a ton more hours very late at

actually a ton more hours very late at night but they love the flexibility that

night but they love the flexibility that

night but they love the flexibility that they have during the middle of the day

they have during the middle of the day

they have during the middle of the day and remote working will become even more

and remote working will become even more

and remote working will become even more common because the new generation of

common because the new generation of

common because the new generation of managers wanted in their workplace and

managers wanted in their workplace and

managers wanted in their workplace and the beauty about remote working is that

the beauty about remote working is that

the beauty about remote working is that you’re actually adding a huge employee

you’re actually adding a huge employee

you’re actually adding a huge employee benefit for much less cost and you’re

benefit for much less cost and you’re

benefit for much less cost and you’re actually creating loyalty for people in

actually creating loyalty for people in

actually creating loyalty for people in the workplace it’s a killer addition for

the workplace it’s a killer addition for

the workplace it’s a killer addition for people but with all this flexibility you

people but with all this flexibility you

people but with all this flexibility you know it’s actually not easy to make it

know it’s actually not easy to make it

know it’s actually not easy to make it happen it’s actually quite tough there

happen it’s actually quite tough there

happen it’s actually quite tough there are tons of problems that arise from

are tons of problems that arise from

are tons of problems that arise from everyday situations in the workplace to

everyday situations in the workplace to

everyday situations in the workplace to illustrate how simple yet complex this

illustrate how simple yet complex this

illustrate how simple yet complex this problem is I I wanted to share a story

problem is I I wanted to share a story

problem is I I wanted to share a story that happened to me about two years ago

that happened to me about two years ago

that happened to me about two years ago when I first started working remotely

when I first started working remotely

when I first started working remotely with my team in South Africa I’ve been

with my team in South Africa I’ve been

with my team in South Africa I’ve been doing this for about five years um and

doing this for about five years um and

doing this for about five years um and as usual I was sitting down in front of

as usual I was sitting down in front of

as usual I was sitting down in front of my computer in Madrid and I had one of

my computer in Madrid and I had one of

my computer in Madrid and I had one of my first conference calls with my team

my first conference calls with my team

my first conference calls with my team in South Africa conference call when

in South Africa conference call when

in South Africa conference call when when grade and at the end of it one of

when grade and at the end of it one of

when grade and at the end of it one of my team members tells me I’ll call you

my team members tells me I’ll call you

my team members tells me I’ll call you just now which I thought oh great I mean

just now which I thought oh great I mean

just now which I thought oh great I mean I was actually very excited to get into

I was actually very excited to get into

I was actually very excited to get into the into the detail of it so I ended the

the into the detail of it so I ended the

the into the detail of it so I ended the call and I waited in front of my

call and I waited in front of my

call and I waited in front of my computer and I waited and I waited and I

computer and I waited and I waited and I

computer and I waited and I waited and I waited and then after about 15 minutes I

waited and then after about 15 minutes I

waited and then after about 15 minutes I sent a message to my team member in in

sent a message to my team member in in

sent a message to my team member in in South Africa and I told him hey are we

South Africa and I told him hey are we

South Africa and I told him hey are we talking just now – which responded yes

talking just now – which responded yes

talking just now – which responded yes yeah just now and he pinged me this

yeah just now and he pinged me this

yeah just now and he pinged me this message sent me this image describing

message sent me this image describing

message sent me this image describing how South Africans define time so just

how South Africans define time so just

how South Africans define time so just now wasn’t you know I think what we’re

now wasn’t you know I think what we’re

now wasn’t you know I think what we’re all thinking right now you know we’ll

all thinking right now you know we’ll

all thinking right now you know we’ll talk in a couple of seconds or a couple

talk in a couple of seconds or a couple

talk in a couple of seconds or a couple of minutes for South Africans just now

of minutes for South Africans just now

of minutes for South Africans just now can me can mean you know we’ll talk in

can me can mean you know we’ll talk in

can me can mean you know we’ll talk in the future hopefully today if not

the future hopefully today if not

the future hopefully today if not tomorrow maybe someday in the distant

tomorrow maybe someday in the distant

tomorrow maybe someday in the distant future you don’t really know when you’re

future you don’t really know when you’re

future you don’t really know when you’re going to talk

going to talk

going to talk how could something so simple such as

how could something so simple such as

how could something so simple such as expressions about time lead to such

expressions about time lead to such

expressions about time lead to such misunderstanding and this had been an

misunderstanding and this had been an

misunderstanding and this had been an internal meeting so it wasn’t a big

internal meeting so it wasn’t a big

internal meeting so it wasn’t a big problem but imagine this had been an

problem but imagine this had been an

problem but imagine this had been an external meeting with clients cultural

external meeting with clients cultural

external meeting with clients cultural differences can lead to huge

differences can lead to huge

differences can lead to huge misunderstandings and the remoteness

misunderstandings and the remoteness

misunderstandings and the remoteness part of it made it even worse because I

part of it made it even worse because I

part of it made it even worse because I couldn’t get out of my desk go around

couldn’t get out of my desk go around

couldn’t get out of my desk go around the hallway tap the person in the

the hallway tap the person in the

the hallway tap the person in the shoulder and say are we talking just now

shoulder and say are we talking just now

shoulder and say are we talking just now and of course this was my first week at

and of course this was my first week at

and of course this was my first week at work and I didn’t want to sound like an

work and I didn’t want to sound like an

work and I didn’t want to sound like an idiot asking these questions with my own

idiot asking these questions with my own

idiot asking these questions with my own team remote working situations can be

team remote working situations can be

team remote working situations can be even more confusing so just this week we

even more confusing so just this week we

even more confusing so just this week we we launched the project in India and it

we launched the project in India and it

we launched the project in India and it went extremely well and I wanted to

went extremely well and I wanted to

went extremely well and I wanted to share my enthusiasm with my team so I in

share my enthusiasm with my team so I in

share my enthusiasm with my team so I in one of our weekly weekly calls I shared

one of our weekly weekly calls I shared

one of our weekly weekly calls I shared with with the rest of team and I told

with with the rest of team and I told

with with the rest of team and I told one of my Indian co-workers you’re

one of my Indian co-workers you’re

one of my Indian co-workers you’re killing it out there and the next day –

killing it out there and the next day –

killing it out there and the next day – to my surprise I get an email very early

to my surprise I get an email very early

to my surprise I get an email very early in the morning from my Indian team

in the morning from my Indian team

in the morning from my Indian team member asking me up what did I what did

member asking me up what did I what did

member asking me up what did I what did I do wrong

I do wrong

I do wrong can can you give me advice can you tell

can can you give me advice can you tell

can can you give me advice can you tell me how I can improve and I was taken

me how I can improve and I was taken

me how I can improve and I was taken aback I I was actually trying to express

aback I I was actually trying to express

aback I I was actually trying to express my enthusiasm and the great job that he

my enthusiasm and the great job that he

my enthusiasm and the great job that he had done and he had interpreted

had done and he had interpreted

had done and he had interpreted something completely different the exact

something completely different the exact

something completely different the exact same sentence in the exact same language

same sentence in the exact same language

same sentence in the exact same language being understood in two completely

being understood in two completely

being understood in two completely different ways the lack of context

different ways the lack of context

different ways the lack of context created this misunderstanding context is

created this misunderstanding context is

created this misunderstanding context is absolutely necessary when working with

absolutely necessary when working with

absolutely necessary when working with remote teams so even with two teams with

remote teams so even with two teams with

remote teams so even with two teams with the same natural language such as

the same natural language such as

the same natural language such as English there are still problems created

English there are still problems created

English there are still problems created due to due to lack of context so about a

due to due to lack of context so about a

due to due to lack of context so about a year ago I was having quite a few

year ago I was having quite a few

year ago I was having quite a few communication problems between my US and

communication problems between my US and

communication problems between my US and my London based teams we had tons of

my London based teams we had tons of

my London based teams we had tons of meetings probably too many nowadays and

meetings probably too many nowadays and

meetings probably too many nowadays and in most companies and lots of actions

in most companies and lots of actions

in most companies and lots of actions were coming out lots of activities were

were coming out lots of activities were

were coming out lots of activities were doing lots of things but

doing lots of things but

doing lots of things but the results were poor people were not

the results were poor people were not

the results were poor people were not communicating well too well with each

communicating well too well with each

communicating well too well with each other and people were getting extremely

other and people were getting extremely

other and people were getting extremely frustrated so I needed to do something

frustrated so I needed to do something

frustrated so I needed to do something about this so I bought 30 copies of a

about this so I bought 30 copies of a

about this so I bought 30 copies of a book about how to work with people from

book about how to work with people from

book about how to work with people from different cultures and I gave my whole

different cultures and I gave my whole

different cultures and I gave my whole team this book here the culture map by

team this book here the culture map by

team this book here the culture map by Aaron Mayer and the effect was

Aaron Mayer and the effect was

Aaron Mayer and the effect was absolutely amazing it brought out in the

absolutely amazing it brought out in the

absolutely amazing it brought out in the open in plain sight how different people

open in plain sight how different people

open in plain sight how different people are on the team so I had 30 different

are on the team so I had 30 different

are on the team so I had 30 different people from 10 very different

people from 10 very different

people from 10 very different nationalities that were all speaking the

nationalities that were all speaking the

nationalities that were all speaking the exact same language in this case English

exact same language in this case English

exact same language in this case English but we’re all saying things that were

but we’re all saying things that were

but we’re all saying things that were completely different and were acting

completely different and were acting

completely different and were acting completely different in the same

completely different in the same

completely different in the same situations so for example my team in

situations so for example my team in

situations so for example my team in Latin America they’re very hierarchical

Latin America they’re very hierarchical

Latin America they’re very hierarchical so they didn’t understand when people

so they didn’t understand when people

so they didn’t understand when people were responding in certain ways or my US

were responding in certain ways or my US

were responding in certain ways or my US and my Dutch team is based in in London

and my Dutch team is based in in London

and my Dutch team is based in in London they found it completely normal that in

they found it completely normal that in

they found it completely normal that in the middle of a conference call you can

the middle of a conference call you can

the middle of a conference call you can interrupt the person and you can say

interrupt the person and you can say

interrupt the person and you can say your opinion and other people were going

your opinion and other people were going

your opinion and other people were going absolutely not to this this

absolutely not to this this

absolutely not to this this self-awareness and bringing this out in

self-awareness and bringing this out in

self-awareness and bringing this out in this open was absolutely amazing it was

this open was absolutely amazing it was

this open was absolutely amazing it was a key driving force for our success so I

a key driving force for our success so I

a key driving force for our success so I think we all agree that remote working

think we all agree that remote working

think we all agree that remote working is great and now having this flexibility

is great and now having this flexibility

is great and now having this flexibility in the workplace is absolutely amazing

in the workplace is absolutely amazing

in the workplace is absolutely amazing but it can actually also lead to

but it can actually also lead to

but it can actually also lead to loneliness in my case over the last five

loneliness in my case over the last five

loneliness in my case over the last five years I’ve actually felt lonely quite a

years I’ve actually felt lonely quite a

years I’ve actually felt lonely quite a few times sitting in my my little study

few times sitting in my my little study

few times sitting in my my little study in front of my computer all by myself

in front of my computer all by myself

in front of my computer all by myself and when I’ve been in the office with

and when I’ve been in the office with

and when I’ve been in the office with other people and actually have to travel

other people and actually have to travel

other people and actually have to travel I felt very lonely on the road I had to

I felt very lonely on the road I had to

I felt very lonely on the road I had to take lots of conference calls in hotel

take lots of conference calls in hotel

take lots of conference calls in hotel rooms in trains in planes in public

rooms in trains in planes in public

rooms in trains in planes in public bathrooms even you know in in horrible

bathrooms even you know in in horrible

bathrooms even you know in in horrible situations I had to take calls in the

situations I had to take calls in the

situations I had to take calls in the middle of the morning now very late at

middle of the morning now very late at

middle of the morning now very late at night at three four five six o’clock in

night at three four five six o’clock in

night at three four five six o’clock in the morning I mean really horrible

the morning I mean really horrible

the morning I mean really horrible situations both physically

situations both physically

situations both physically and mentally challenging situations so

and mentally challenging situations so

and mentally challenging situations so you have to find a way to make yourself

you have to find a way to make yourself

you have to find a way to make yourself be in a comfortable situation co-working

be in a comfortable situation co-working

be in a comfortable situation co-working areas such as this one here are great to

areas such as this one here are great to

areas such as this one here are great to solve this problem you I mean you can

solve this problem you I mean you can

solve this problem you I mean you can feel that you’re part of a company you

feel that you’re part of a company you

feel that you’re part of a company you can feel that work is being done sitting

can feel that work is being done sitting

can feel that work is being done sitting around with other people you can network

around with other people you can network

around with other people you can network with others you can get inspired by

with others you can get inspired by

with others you can get inspired by others you know you can inspire others

others you know you can inspire others

others you know you can inspire others you can just get out of your chair grab

you can just get out of your chair grab

you can just get out of your chair grab a coffee and have a conversation with

a coffee and have a conversation with

a coffee and have a conversation with someone from a completely different

someone from a completely different

someone from a completely different company you just feel that work is being

company you just feel that work is being

company you just feel that work is being done so remote working and what

done so remote working and what

done so remote working and what co-working areas are absolutely great I

co-working areas are absolutely great I

co-working areas are absolutely great I think there’s there’s no doubt about it

think there’s there’s no doubt about it

think there’s there’s no doubt about it but the reality is that you still need

but the reality is that you still need

but the reality is that you still need physical presence to create a truly

physical presence to create a truly

physical presence to create a truly incredible team you can have amazing

incredible team you can have amazing

incredible team you can have amazing relationships just via video conference

relationships just via video conference

relationships just via video conference via email you can you can establish some

via email you can you can establish some

via email you can you can establish some sort of relationship between your team

sort of relationship between your team

sort of relationship between your team but you need the physical presence to

but you need the physical presence to

but you need the physical presence to create empathy to really add empathy to

create empathy to really add empathy to

create empathy to really add empathy to your team so remote working is the

your team so remote working is the

your team so remote working is the future but you need physical presence at

future but you need physical presence at

future but you need physical presence at least a couple of times a year to truly

least a couple of times a year to truly

least a couple of times a year to truly create an amazing team so I want to

create an amazing team so I want to

create an amazing team so I want to leave here today with one last thought

leave here today with one last thought

leave here today with one last thought to share with everyone I want you to

to share with everyone I want you to

to share with everyone I want you to start thinking about what you need to do

start thinking about what you need to do

start thinking about what you need to do to be able to wake up in the future

to be able to wake up in the future

to be able to wake up in the future hopefully not a very distant future and

hopefully not a very distant future and

hopefully not a very distant future and to be able to get up every morning with

to be able to get up every morning with

to be able to get up every morning with your loved ones and with your family and

your loved ones and with your family and

your loved ones and with your family and be able to take your first call in a

be able to take your first call in a

be able to take your first call in a place such as this sometimes being away

place such as this sometimes being away

place such as this sometimes being away from your co-workers isn’t such a bad

from your co-workers isn’t such a bad

from your co-workers isn’t such a bad thing thank you

thing thank you

thing thank you [Applause]

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