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Making Diagnostics Affordable – Lessons from Central India | Arpit Kothari | TEDxNSIT


yeah thank you for the introduction if

yeah thank you for the introduction if Martin Luther King was alive today and

Martin Luther King was alive today and

Martin Luther King was alive today and he was working in health care he would

he was working in health care he would

he was working in health care he would have probably said something like this

have probably said something like this

have probably said something like this after 69 years of freedom we still don’t

after 69 years of freedom we still don’t

after 69 years of freedom we still don’t have the right to health 69 years later

have the right to health 69 years later

have the right to health 69 years later the lives of 30 million people each year

the lives of 30 million people each year

the lives of 30 million people each year are still sadly crippled by the manacles

are still sadly crippled by the manacles

are still sadly crippled by the manacles of misdiagnosis sixty-nine years later

of misdiagnosis sixty-nine years later

of misdiagnosis sixty-nine years later 100 million people every year are pushed

100 million people every year are pushed

100 million people every year are pushed onto a lonely island of poverty because

onto a lonely island of poverty because

onto a lonely island of poverty because of catastrophic costs associated with

of catastrophic costs associated with

of catastrophic costs associated with illness 69 years later the sick the old

illness 69 years later the sick the old

illness 69 years later the sick the old and the disabled are still languished in

and the disabled are still languished in

and the disabled are still languished in the corners of our society and so we are

the corners of our society and so we are

the corners of our society and so we are here today to dramatize the shameful

here today to dramatize the shameful

here today to dramatize the shameful condition health care in India is broken

condition health care in India is broken

condition health care in India is broken it is inaccessible it is unaffordable

it is inaccessible it is unaffordable

it is inaccessible it is unaffordable and most of the decisions around health

and most of the decisions around health

and most of the decisions around health care are still largely subjective

care are still largely subjective

care are still largely subjective technology is fast changing the way

technology is fast changing the way

technology is fast changing the way health is delivered but there is no

health is delivered but there is no

health is delivered but there is no magic bullet to truly solve this problem

magic bullet to truly solve this problem

magic bullet to truly solve this problem we need to read business innovation with

we need to read business innovation with

we need to read business innovation with technological development in order to

technological development in order to

technological development in order to understand how to fix healthcare we need

understand how to fix healthcare we need

understand how to fix healthcare we need to first understand why the Indian

to first understand why the Indian

to first understand why the Indian healthcare market is so broken in the

healthcare market is so broken in the

healthcare market is so broken in the first place India like most developing

first place India like most developing

first place India like most developing economies is a self-pay market where

economies is a self-pay market where

economies is a self-pay market where majority of the services are paid for by

majority of the services are paid for by

majority of the services are paid for by the individual or the patient themselves

the individual or the patient themselves

the individual or the patient themselves since individuals compared to bulk

since individuals compared to bulk

since individuals compared to bulk buyers like insurance or government have

buyers like insurance or government have

buyers like insurance or government have much less negotiating power and there

much less negotiating power and there

much less negotiating power and there exists a much higher level of

exists a much higher level of

exists a much higher level of information asymmetry these markets are

information asymmetry these markets are

information asymmetry these markets are rife with corruption and inefficiencies

rife with corruption and inefficiencies

rife with corruption and inefficiencies how many of you by the show of hands

how many of you by the show of hands

how many of you by the show of hands have gone to a doctor’s clinic recently

have gone to a doctor’s clinic recently

have gone to a doctor’s clinic recently how many of you have noticed products

how many of you have noticed products

how many of you have noticed products like pens notebooks calendars

like pens notebooks calendars

like pens notebooks calendars Chateau scopes acceptor which have brand

Chateau scopes acceptor which have brand

Chateau scopes acceptor which have brand names of pharmaceutical drugs or

names of pharmaceutical drugs or

names of pharmaceutical drugs or pharmaceutical companies on them a lot

pharmaceutical companies on them a lot

pharmaceutical companies on them a lot of you most doctors take kickbacks in

of you most doctors take kickbacks in

of you most doctors take kickbacks in either cash or kind to market all other

either cash or kind to market all other

either cash or kind to market all other healthcare related services beat other

healthcare related services beat other

healthcare related services beat other doctors hospitals pharmaceutical drugs

doctors hospitals pharmaceutical drugs

doctors hospitals pharmaceutical drugs or diagnostic centers these kickbacks

or diagnostic centers these kickbacks

or diagnostic centers these kickbacks are significant and value and they not

are significant and value and they not

are significant and value and they not only add to the overall cost of the

only add to the overall cost of the

only add to the overall cost of the treatment but also adversely affect the

treatment but also adversely affect the

treatment but also adversely affect the quality by limiting choice it is

quality by limiting choice it is

quality by limiting choice it is difficult to question the authority of

difficult to question the authority of

difficult to question the authority of the doctor and there is no way of

the doctor and there is no way of

the doctor and there is no way of knowing how good or bad their opinion or

knowing how good or bad their opinion or

knowing how good or bad their opinion or intentions are user reviews and

intentions are user reviews and

intentions are user reviews and information available on online

information available on online

information available on online appointment booking portals and on the

appointment booking portals and on the

appointment booking portals and on the Internet in general talks a lot about

Internet in general talks a lot about

Internet in general talks a lot about the user experience but not much about

the user experience but not much about

the user experience but not much about the patient care outcome to give you an

the patient care outcome to give you an

the patient care outcome to give you an example if you go to a doctor and she’s

example if you go to a doctor and she’s

example if you go to a doctor and she’s courteous to you and she doesn’t make

courteous to you and she doesn’t make

courteous to you and she doesn’t make you wait a lot you are likely to give

you wait a lot you are likely to give

you wait a lot you are likely to give her a great review that does not mean

her a great review that does not mean

her a great review that does not mean the three months down the line you would

the three months down the line you would

the three months down the line you would be in a better position because of her

be in a better position because of her

be in a better position because of her treatment than if you would have gone to

treatment than if you would have gone to

treatment than if you would have gone to a lower reviewed grumpier doctor a

a lower reviewed grumpier doctor a

a lower reviewed grumpier doctor a better way to assess would be to measure

better way to assess would be to measure

better way to assess would be to measure and track objective criteria around

and track objective criteria around

and track objective criteria around long-term patient care outcomes compared

long-term patient care outcomes compared

long-term patient care outcomes compared across doctors and hospitals for example

across doctors and hospitals for example

across doctors and hospitals for example mortality rate among similar cases cases

mortality rate among similar cases cases

mortality rate among similar cases cases in april of 2011 my mother started what

in april of 2011 my mother started what

in april of 2011 my mother started what was then the largest super speciality

was then the largest super speciality

was then the largest super speciality reference lab of the state of Madhya

reference lab of the state of Madhya

reference lab of the state of Madhya Pradesh it had facilities ranging from

Pradesh it had facilities ranging from

Pradesh it had facilities ranging from routine biochemistry advanced

routine biochemistry advanced

routine biochemistry advanced immunoassays and microbiology to super

immunoassays and microbiology to super

immunoassays and microbiology to super specialized genetic and molecular

specialized genetic and molecular

specialized genetic and molecular testing in Madhya Pradesh of 2011 even

testing in Madhya Pradesh of 2011 even

testing in Madhya Pradesh of 2011 even for a simple test like vitamin or cancer

for a simple test like vitamin or cancer

for a simple test like vitamin or cancer marker the sample needed to be

marker the sample needed to be

marker the sample needed to be transported to a Metro like Delhi or

transported to a Metro like Delhi or

transported to a Metro like Delhi or Mumbai this local processing not only

Mumbai this local processing not only

Mumbai this local processing not only saved valuable time for the doctors to

saved valuable time for the doctors to

saved valuable time for the doctors to make treatment related decisions but

make treatment related decisions but

make treatment related decisions but also gave more accurate results because

also gave more accurate results because

also gave more accurate results because there was no detoriation of sample

there was no detoriation of sample

there was no detoriation of sample during transit this was also the time I

during transit this was also the time I

during transit this was also the time I got admitted into the undergraduate

got admitted into the undergraduate

got admitted into the undergraduate program at the Union Institute of

program at the Union Institute of

program at the Union Institute of Technology Bombay I had three months

Technology Bombay I had three months

Technology Bombay I had three months between the inauguration of the lab and

between the inauguration of the lab and

between the inauguration of the lab and my joining the college inspired by the

my joining the college inspired by the

my joining the college inspired by the movie The Social Network I desperately

movie The Social Network I desperately

movie The Social Network I desperately wanted to do something real in life in

wanted to do something real in life in

wanted to do something real in life in the first year of operations we were

the first year of operations we were

the first year of operations we were serving five to ten outpatients a day

serving five to ten outpatients a day

serving five to ten outpatients a day with the capacity to process 5000 we

with the capacity to process 5000 we

with the capacity to process 5000 we were getting specialized work from

were getting specialized work from

were getting specialized work from hospitals and government but not all

hospitals and government but not all

hospitals and government but not all from doctors

from doctors

from doctors the problem was economic the doctors

the problem was economic the doctors

the problem was economic the doctors expected a kickback a cut on the

expected a kickback a cut on the

expected a kickback a cut on the earnings of the Diagnostic Center for

earnings of the Diagnostic Center for

earnings of the Diagnostic Center for each patient they referred something

each patient they referred something

each patient they referred something which was morally unacceptable to us

frustrated we put in one last attempt

frustrated we put in one last attempt reducing the price of all tests by up to

reducing the price of all tests by up to

reducing the price of all tests by up to 70% directly for the patients most

70% directly for the patients most

70% directly for the patients most doctors stopped accepting our reports

doctors stopped accepting our reports

doctors stopped accepting our reports despite being the only lab in the state

despite being the only lab in the state

despite being the only lab in the state with both n ABL accreditation and cap

with both n ABL accreditation and cap

with both n ABL accreditation and cap proficiency for quality many honest

proficiency for quality many honest

proficiency for quality many honest doctors over time also started

doctors over time also started

doctors over time also started supporting the cause but things really

supporting the cause but things really

supporting the cause but things really changed when patients started responding

changed when patients started responding

changed when patients started responding to the superior quality lower turnaround

to the superior quality lower turnaround

to the superior quality lower turnaround times and reduced prices by the end of

times and reduced prices by the end of

times and reduced prices by the end of 2014 we were serving over 100,000

2014 we were serving over 100,000

2014 we were serving over 100,000 patients in Indore at this time we

patients in Indore at this time we

patients in Indore at this time we partnered with the Center for urban

partnered with the Center for urban

partnered with the Center for urban science & engineering iit bombay to

science & engineering iit bombay to

science & engineering iit bombay to commissioned a study to measure the

commissioned a study to measure the

commissioned a study to measure the impact of our model on the lives of the

impact of our model on the lives of the

impact of our model on the lives of the people in a country where only the rich

people in a country where only the rich

people in a country where only the rich are insured and 88% of all medical

are insured and 88% of all medical

are insured and 88% of all medical related expenses were out of pocket we

related expenses were out of pocket we

related expenses were out of pocket we went in with the hypothesis that reduce

went in with the hypothesis that reduce

went in with the hypothesis that reduce prices were helping lower-income

prices were helping lower-income

prices were helping lower-income households

households

households reduce their out-of-pocket expenses the

reduce their out-of-pocket expenses the

reduce their out-of-pocket expenses the study was published in the fourteenth

study was published in the fourteenth

study was published in the fourteenth world congress on public health the

world congress on public health the

world congress on public health the results however were counterintuitive on

results however were counterintuitive on

results however were counterintuitive on average patient was educated most being

average patient was educated most being

average patient was educated most being graduates or diploma holders they had

graduates or diploma holders they had

graduates or diploma holders they had access to clean drinking water and

access to clean drinking water and

access to clean drinking water and sanitation facilities these were the

sanitation facilities these were the

sanitation facilities these were the people who could through their education

people who could through their education

people who could through their education make informed decisions and confidently

make informed decisions and confidently

make informed decisions and confidently go against the advice of the doctor on

go against the advice of the doctor on

go against the advice of the doctor on choosing which brand of healthcare

choosing which brand of healthcare

choosing which brand of healthcare related services what they use the

related services what they use the

related services what they use the economic impact was significant patients

economic impact was significant patients

economic impact was significant patients on an average paid 179 rupees to us

on an average paid 179 rupees to us

on an average paid 179 rupees to us versus 903 in an average Diagnostic

versus 903 in an average Diagnostic

versus 903 in an average Diagnostic Center in the city this was a saving of

Center in the city this was a saving of

Center in the city this was a saving of a whooping 81 percent which was both

a whooping 81 percent which was both

a whooping 81 percent which was both because of lower test costs and fewer

because of lower test costs and fewer

because of lower test costs and fewer tests being prescribed the next question

tests being prescribed the next question

tests being prescribed the next question that naturally came to us was how do we

that naturally came to us was how do we

that naturally came to us was how do we scale this up across India and possibly

scale this up across India and possibly

scale this up across India and possibly the developing world without having to

the developing world without having to

the developing world without having to invest capital everywhere in 2015 I

invest capital everywhere in 2015 I

invest capital everywhere in 2015 I launched an online Diagnostics

launched an online Diagnostics

launched an online Diagnostics aggregator where patients could compare

aggregator where patients could compare

aggregator where patients could compare book diagnostic tests from NAB L

book diagnostic tests from NAB L

book diagnostic tests from NAB L accredited labs around them they also

accredited labs around them they also

accredited labs around them they also save twenty to fifty percent on every

save twenty to fifty percent on every

save twenty to fifty percent on every booking and they could maintain the

booking and they could maintain the

booking and they could maintain the electronic health records with it

electronic health records with it

electronic health records with it we chose NAB L as the minimum criteria

we chose NAB L as the minimum criteria

we chose NAB L as the minimum criteria for quality because it was one the most

for quality because it was one the most

for quality because it was one the most comprehensive check available in this

comprehensive check available in this

comprehensive check available in this country – because ISO one five one eight

country – because ISO one five one eight

country – because ISO one five one eight nine on which NAB L is based is accepted

nine on which NAB L is based is accepted

nine on which NAB L is based is accepted in 130 countries and three because it’s

in 130 countries and three because it’s

in 130 countries and three because it’s a government body it’s unbiased relative

a government body it’s unbiased relative

a government body it’s unbiased relative to other organizations which give

to other organizations which give

to other organizations which give accreditations over time we realized

accreditations over time we realized

accreditations over time we realized that the real value lies not in

that the real value lies not in

that the real value lies not in improving the information asymmetry or

improving the information asymmetry or

improving the information asymmetry or in trying to create a comparison portal

in trying to create a comparison portal

in trying to create a comparison portal but in improving three things one

but in improving three things one

but in improving three things one affordability can the care being

affordability can the care being

affordability can the care being provided of reasonably high quality be

provided of reasonably high quality be

provided of reasonably high quality be afforded by the patient in an ideal

afforded by the patient in an ideal

afforded by the patient in an ideal world we like the best and the most

world we like the best and the most

world we like the best and the most comprehensive care for everyone value

comprehensive care for everyone value

comprehensive care for everyone value life equally of rich and poor

life equally of rich and poor

life equally of rich and poor unfortunately this is not that world the

unfortunately this is not that world the

unfortunately this is not that world the rich person can afford regular health

rich person can afford regular health

rich person can afford regular health check-ups while most poor would not even

check-ups while most poor would not even

check-ups while most poor would not even get tested for diabetes in their

get tested for diabetes in their

get tested for diabetes in their lifetime

lifetime

lifetime even if patients are affording most

even if patients are affording most

even if patients are affording most would err in the side of low while

would err in the side of low while

would err in the side of low while investing in health care to

investing in health care to

investing in health care to accessibility is the care being provided

accessibility is the care being provided

accessibility is the care being provided accessible to me is it near where I live

accessible to me is it near where I live

accessible to me is it near where I live or work can I reach there by public or

or work can I reach there by public or

or work can I reach there by public or private transportation facilities

private transportation facilities

private transportation facilities available to me can the care being

available to me can the care being

available to me can the care being provided be provided to me at home now

provided be provided to me at home now

provided be provided to me at home now once we start thinking about the care to

once we start thinking about the care to

once we start thinking about the care to be provided at home we also have to

be provided at home we also have to

be provided at home we also have to think about the cost and the operational

think about the cost and the operational

think about the cost and the operational aspects around it

aspects around it

aspects around it the average cost including salaries rent

the average cost including salaries rent

the average cost including salaries rent transportation etc for delivering

transportation etc for delivering

transportation etc for delivering medicines for most online startups in

medicines for most online startups in

medicines for most online startups in India at home versus delivering them

India at home versus delivering them

India at home versus delivering them through brick-and-mortar stores is

through brick-and-mortar stores is

through brick-and-mortar stores is between three and seven times higher

between three and seven times higher

between three and seven times higher then there are the operational issues if

then there are the operational issues if

then there are the operational issues if a blood sample is drawn at home and is

a blood sample is drawn at home and is

a blood sample is drawn at home and is transported it takes between four to 24

transported it takes between four to 24

transported it takes between four to 24 hours to reach the main processing lab

hours to reach the main processing lab

hours to reach the main processing lab even if coltrane is maintained this

even if coltrane is maintained this

even if coltrane is maintained this sample is likely to detorri it and the

sample is likely to detorri it and the

sample is likely to detorri it and the resolves are less accurate

resolves are less accurate

resolves are less accurate than they would have been if the sample

than they would have been if the sample

than they would have been if the sample was drawn at the main lab third care

was drawn at the main lab third care

was drawn at the main lab third care outcomes the ultimate differentiator in

outcomes the ultimate differentiator in

outcomes the ultimate differentiator in health care is the improvement and care

health care is the improvement and care

health care is the improvement and care outcomes there is no one thing which can

outcomes there is no one thing which can

outcomes there is no one thing which can alone change the face of the healthcare

alone change the face of the healthcare

alone change the face of the healthcare ecosystem in the country Digital is

ecosystem in the country Digital is

ecosystem in the country Digital is great electronic health records and

great electronic health records and

great electronic health records and information availability have little or

information availability have little or

information availability have little or no

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