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Making Batteries Better | Jeff Dahn | TEDxDalhousieU


I thought I’d start with just a few

I thought I’d start with just a few words about myself I’m from the

words about myself I’m from the

words about myself I’m from the Lunenburg area and I came to Dalhousie

Lunenburg area and I came to Dalhousie

Lunenburg area and I came to Dalhousie to do my bachelor’s degree then I went

to do my bachelor’s degree then I went

to do my bachelor’s degree then I went to UBC to do my graduate work at

to UBC to do my graduate work at

to UBC to do my graduate work at University of British Columbia and I

University of British Columbia and I

University of British Columbia and I focused on materials that could have

focused on materials that could have

focused on materials that could have application and advanced batteries at

application and advanced batteries at

application and advanced batteries at that time lithium batteries and then

that time lithium batteries and then

that time lithium batteries and then later on lithium ion batteries and I

later on lithium ion batteries and I

later on lithium ion batteries and I hadn’t been involved since 1978 in this

hadn’t been involved since 1978 in this

hadn’t been involved since 1978 in this whole process and I’ve watched the

whole process and I’ve watched the

whole process and I’ve watched the lithium ion battery go from an idea to a

lithium ion battery go from an idea to a

lithium ion battery go from an idea to a reality and without the lithium ion

reality and without the lithium ion

reality and without the lithium ion battery you wouldn’t have smartphones

battery you wouldn’t have smartphones

battery you wouldn’t have smartphones you wouldn’t have tablets and you

you wouldn’t have tablets and you

you wouldn’t have tablets and you wouldn’t have electric vehicles coming

wouldn’t have electric vehicles coming

wouldn’t have electric vehicles coming along and if you read the the bio of me

along and if you read the the bio of me

along and if you read the the bio of me in the in the program you’ll learn that

in the in the program you’ll learn that

in the in the program you’ll learn that I’ve been a co-inventor on a lot of

I’ve been a co-inventor on a lot of

I’ve been a co-inventor on a lot of different patents and patents are funny

different patents and patents are funny

different patents and patents are funny things I think one out of a hundred

things I think one out of a hundred

things I think one out of a hundred patents actually has value the rest of

patents actually has value the rest of

patents actually has value the rest of them are just junk but one of the

them are just junk but one of the

them are just junk but one of the patents that we worked on in the year

patents that we worked on in the year

patents that we worked on in the year 2000 a postdoc zhang hua lu and i

2000 a postdoc zhang hua lu and i

2000 a postdoc zhang hua lu and i invented a class of materials called NM

invented a class of materials called NM

invented a class of materials called NM c and NM c stands for lithium nickel

c and NM c stands for lithium nickel

c and NM c stands for lithium nickel manganese cobalt oxide and it’s now used

manganese cobalt oxide and it’s now used

manganese cobalt oxide and it’s now used is a positive electrode material in

is a positive electrode material in

is a positive electrode material in lithium ion batteries at a rate of about

lithium ion batteries at a rate of about

lithium ion batteries at a rate of about 6,000 metric tons per year so invented

6,000 metric tons per year so invented

6,000 metric tons per year so invented at Dalhousie University and that means

at Dalhousie University and that means

at Dalhousie University and that means about one in ten lithium ion cells has

about one in ten lithium ion cells has

about one in ten lithium ion cells has material invented here within it so I’m

material invented here within it so I’m

material invented here within it so I’m very proud of that

very proud of that

very proud of that okay so onto the main topic of the talk

okay so onto the main topic of the talk

okay so onto the main topic of the talk you know I’m showing you the picture of

you know I’m showing you the picture of

you know I’m showing you the picture of the Tesla Model S here it’s an awesome

the Tesla Model S here it’s an awesome

the Tesla Model S here it’s an awesome electric car powered by lithium ion

electric car powered by lithium ion

electric car powered by lithium ion batteries was motor trends Car the year

batteries was motor trends Car the year

batteries was motor trends Car the year in 2013

in 2013

in 2013 it has a driving range of 425 kilometers

it has a driving range of 425 kilometers

it has a driving range of 425 kilometers before it needs to be charged and it

before it needs to be charged and it

before it needs to be charged and it really is the first electric vehicle

really is the first electric vehicle

really is the first electric vehicle ever produced to show that electric

ever produced to show that electric

ever produced to show that electric vehicles could be functional and green

vehicles could be functional and green

vehicles could be functional and green and yet amazingly cool and awesome of

and yet amazingly cool and awesome of

and yet amazingly cool and awesome of course we need electrified

course we need electrified

course we need electrified transportation because we can’t keep

transportation because we can’t keep

transportation because we can’t keep burning fossil fuels if we do global

burning fossil fuels if we do global

burning fossil fuels if we do global warming is going to get more and more

warming is going to get more and more

warming is going to get more and more out of control and that’s really really

out of control and that’s really really

out of control and that’s really really bad so Tesla now is coming out in 2017

bad so Tesla now is coming out in 2017

bad so Tesla now is coming out in 2017 with what they call the model 3

with what they call the model 3

with what they call the model 3 and the model 3 is meant to be an

and the model 3 is meant to be an

and the model 3 is meant to be an affordable electric vehicle for the

affordable electric vehicle for the

affordable electric vehicle for the masses nobody knows what the model 3 is

masses nobody knows what the model 3 is

masses nobody knows what the model 3 is going to look like yet or what its

going to look like yet or what its

going to look like yet or what its specifications really are but on March

specifications really are but on March

specifications really are but on March 31 Tesla will unveil the model 3 in Palo

31 Tesla will unveil the model 3 in Palo

31 Tesla will unveil the model 3 in Palo Alto California and we’ll be able to see

Alto California and we’ll be able to see

Alto California and we’ll be able to see what it looks like and how far it will

what it looks like and how far it will

what it looks like and how far it will go on a charge but Tesla’s very

go on a charge but Tesla’s very

go on a charge but Tesla’s very optimistic about the future of the model

optimistic about the future of the model

optimistic about the future of the model 3 and also its other electric vehicles

3 and also its other electric vehicles

3 and also its other electric vehicles and to meet the demand that they see

and to meet the demand that they see

and to meet the demand that they see coming in 2014 they started constructing

coming in 2014 they started constructing

coming in 2014 they started constructing this factory called the Giga factory the

this factory called the Giga factory the

this factory called the Giga factory the Giga factory is located outside Reno to

Giga factory is located outside Reno to

Giga factory is located outside Reno to Nevada and this is a photograph taken in

Nevada and this is a photograph taken in

Nevada and this is a photograph taken in the construction phase it turns out to

the construction phase it turns out to

the construction phase it turns out to be the building with the largest square

be the building with the largest square

be the building with the largest square area footprint on the planet its massive

area footprint on the planet its massive

area footprint on the planet its massive thing and if you look at the rooftop

thing and if you look at the rooftop

thing and if you look at the rooftop there you’ll see it’s very shiny and

there you’ll see it’s very shiny and

there you’ll see it’s very shiny and that’s because there’s solar panels on

that’s because there’s solar panels on

that’s because there’s solar panels on the roof the entire factory is powered

the roof the entire factory is powered

the roof the entire factory is powered by renewables which really shows Tesla’s

by renewables which really shows Tesla’s

by renewables which really shows Tesla’s commitment to renewable energy and

commitment to renewable energy and

commitment to renewable energy and electrified transportation this factory

electrified transportation this factory

electrified transportation this factory will produce enough lithium-ion

will produce enough lithium-ion

will produce enough lithium-ion batteries for 400,000 electric vehicles

batteries for 400,000 electric vehicles

batteries for 400,000 electric vehicles per year and the way that lithium-ion

per year and the way that lithium-ion

per year and the way that lithium-ion battery production is measured

battery production is measured

battery production is measured is in gigawatt hours of lithium-ion

is in gigawatt hours of lithium-ion

is in gigawatt hours of lithium-ion cells per year so what does that mean if

cells per year so what does that mean if

cells per year so what does that mean if you took all the lithium-ion cells the

you took all the lithium-ion cells the

you took all the lithium-ion cells the factory produced in one year and charge

factory produced in one year and charge

factory produced in one year and charge them they would store 35 gigawatt hours

them they would store 35 gigawatt hours

them they would store 35 gigawatt hours of electrical energy to put that into

of electrical energy to put that into

of electrical energy to put that into perspective in 2015

perspective in 2015

perspective in 2015 every lithium-ion cell produced on the

every lithium-ion cell produced on the

every lithium-ion cell produced on the planet by all the producers in the

planet by all the producers in the

planet by all the producers in the entire world represented a production of

entire world represented a production of

entire world represented a production of 35 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion cells

35 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion cells

35 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion cells so the gigafactory will double

so the gigafactory will double

so the gigafactory will double lithium-ion cell production at the

lithium-ion cell production at the

lithium-ion cell production at the moment pretty much all lithium-ion

moment pretty much all lithium-ion

moment pretty much all lithium-ion batteries are made in Asia Korea Japan

batteries are made in Asia Korea Japan

batteries are made in Asia Korea Japan China

China

China so this Giga factory coming to North

so this Giga factory coming to North

so this Giga factory coming to North America and doubling world production is

America and doubling world production is

America and doubling world production is a huge deal and for me involved with the

a huge deal and for me involved with the

a huge deal and for me involved with the lithium-ion business from the beginning

lithium-ion business from the beginning

lithium-ion business from the beginning I just said you know listen somehow I

I just said you know listen somehow I

I just said you know listen somehow I got to be a part of this you know

got to be a part of this you know

got to be a part of this you know because having this manufacturing

because having this manufacturing

because having this manufacturing capability in North America means a lot

so I traveled to Tesla in the summer of

so I traveled to Tesla in the summer of 2014 and I met with their battery group

2014 and I met with their battery group

2014 and I met with their battery group there and I talked about you know how

there and I talked about you know how

there and I talked about you know how about we try to set up a research

about we try to set up a research

about we try to set up a research partnership where we can bring our

partnership where we can bring our

partnership where we can bring our talents to your to your problems and

talents to your to your problems and

talents to your to your problems and maybe we can help improve the

maybe we can help improve the

maybe we can help improve the lithium-ion cells that you use in the

lithium-ion cells that you use in the

lithium-ion cells that you use in the vehicles and also in your energy storage

vehicles and also in your energy storage

vehicles and also in your energy storage products that I’ll talk about in a

products that I’ll talk about in a

products that I’ll talk about in a minute or two so after some

minute or two so after some

minute or two so after some consideration Tesla decided that they

consideration Tesla decided that they

consideration Tesla decided that they would enter a research partnership with

would enter a research partnership with

would enter a research partnership with us here at Dalhousie and in June of 2015

us here at Dalhousie and in June of 2015

us here at Dalhousie and in June of 2015 JB Straubel shown with me looking into

JB Straubel shown with me looking into

JB Straubel shown with me looking into the cockpit of a Model S he traveled

the cockpit of a Model S he traveled

the cockpit of a Model S he traveled here to Dowell to sign the research

here to Dowell to sign the research

here to Dowell to sign the research partnership agreements and JB Straubel

partnership agreements and JB Straubel

partnership agreements and JB Straubel is the CTO and the co-founder of Tesla

is the CTO and the co-founder of Tesla

is the CTO and the co-founder of Tesla so he’s like number two in the company

so he’s like number two in the company

so he’s like number two in the company and this is a an article taken from the

and this is a an article taken from the

and this is a an article taken from the online version of Fortune magazine

online version of Fortune magazine

online version of Fortune magazine I’m called a new weapon so hopefully I’m

I’m called a new weapon so hopefully I’m

I’m called a new weapon so hopefully I’m a not a weapon of mass destruction

a not a weapon of mass destruction

a not a weapon of mass destruction hopefully I’m a good weapon anyhow what

hopefully I’m a good weapon anyhow what

hopefully I’m a good weapon anyhow what are we going to do how are we going to

are we going to do how are we going to

are we going to do how are we going to try to improve Tesla’s projects like

try to improve Tesla’s projects like

try to improve Tesla’s projects like what’s this research partnership all

what’s this research partnership all

what’s this research partnership all about so I’ll tell you in a second

about so I’ll tell you in a second

about so I’ll tell you in a second Tesla also makes the power wall and this

Tesla also makes the power wall and this

Tesla also makes the power wall and this is a photo of two power walls

is a photo of two power walls

is a photo of two power walls side-by-side each one will store about

side-by-side each one will store about

side-by-side each one will store about ten kilowatt hours of electrical energy

ten kilowatt hours of electrical energy

ten kilowatt hours of electrical energy and ten kilowatts of electrical energy

and ten kilowatts of electrical energy

and ten kilowatts of electrical energy would pretty much power your house

would pretty much power your house

would pretty much power your house without a problem overnight and if these

without a problem overnight and if these

without a problem overnight and if these are charged by solar panels or by small

are charged by solar panels or by small

are charged by solar panels or by small windmills during the during the day or

windmills during the during the day or

windmills during the during the day or when the wind is blowing at night when

when the wind is blowing at night when

when the wind is blowing at night when there’s no Sun or when there’s no wind

there’s no Sun or when there’s no wind

there’s no Sun or when there’s no wind they’re discharged to power the house

they’re discharged to power the house

they’re discharged to power the house and the power wall can be charged and

and the power wall can be charged and

and the power wall can be charged and discharged once per day and it should

discharged once per day and it should

discharged once per day and it should last around ten years so this is where

last around ten years so this is where

last around ten years so this is where the research partnership starts to

the research partnership starts to

the research partnership starts to become clear because when you purchase

become clear because when you purchase

become clear because when you purchase one of these power walls it costs money

one of these power walls it costs money

one of these power walls it costs money and it’s going to last ten years well

and it’s going to last ten years well

and it’s going to last ten years well what if it lasted 20 years or 30 years

what if it lasted 20 years or 30 years

what if it lasted 20 years or 30 years or 40 years before you would need to

or 40 years before you would need to

or 40 years before you would need to replace it that would be much much

replace it that would be much much

replace it that would be much much better right and this is where the

better right and this is where the

better right and this is where the problem comes because it’s pretty hard

problem comes because it’s pretty hard

problem comes because it’s pretty hard to design a lithium ion battery that

to design a lithium ion battery that

to design a lithium ion battery that lasts a long time but it’s even harder

lasts a long time but it’s even harder

lasts a long time but it’s even harder to prove that it will if you want to

to prove that it will if you want to

to prove that it will if you want to show that a lithium-ion cell will last

show that a lithium-ion cell will last

show that a lithium-ion cell will last for ten years under real conditions you

for ten years under real conditions you

for ten years under real conditions you have to test it for ten years and if you

have to test it for ten years and if you

have to test it for ten years and if you want to show it’s going to last now

want to show it’s going to last now

want to show it’s going to last now twenty with the improved chemistry that

twenty with the improved chemistry that

twenty with the improved chemistry that you bring to bear you have to test it

you bring to bear you have to test it

you bring to bear you have to test it for twenty years right so our research

for twenty years right so our research

for twenty years right so our research group in 2008 sorry

group in 2008 sorry

group in 2008 sorry developing advanced diagnostic methods

developing advanced diagnostic methods

developing advanced diagnostic methods to detect the very low levels of

to detect the very low levels of

to detect the very low levels of unwanted parasitic reactions that occur

unwanted parasitic reactions that occur

unwanted parasitic reactions that occur in lithium-ion cells that ultimately

in lithium-ion cells that ultimately

in lithium-ion cells that ultimately lead to their failure and it’s these

lead to their failure and it’s these

lead to their failure and it’s these methods that we’ve perfected from 2008

methods that we’ve perfected from 2008

methods that we’ve perfected from 2008 until now that interest companies like

until now that interest companies like

until now that interest companies like Tesla so that we can study new

Tesla so that we can study new

Tesla so that we can study new chemistry’s and learn in a short period

chemistry’s and learn in a short period

chemistry’s and learn in a short period of time whether the lifetime of the

of time whether the lifetime of the

of time whether the lifetime of the cells will be dramatically improved or

cells will be dramatically improved or

cells will be dramatically improved or not so we have to stop burning fossil

not so we have to stop burning fossil

not so we have to stop burning fossil fuels it’s as simple as that

fuels it’s as simple as that

fuels it’s as simple as that and renewables are the way to go solar

and renewables are the way to go solar

and renewables are the way to go solar at the moment if you buy a solar

at the moment if you buy a solar

at the moment if you buy a solar photovoltaic panel with a lifetime of 30

photovoltaic panel with a lifetime of 30

photovoltaic panel with a lifetime of 30 years the electricity it produces today

years the electricity it produces today

years the electricity it produces today will cost you the same as electricity

will cost you the same as electricity

will cost you the same as electricity from coal if you erect a big wind tower

from coal if you erect a big wind tower

from coal if you erect a big wind tower windmill and it operates for 30 years

windmill and it operates for 30 years

windmill and it operates for 30 years the electricity from that windmill will

the electricity from that windmill will

the electricity from that windmill will be roughly equivalent in cost to the

be roughly equivalent in cost to the

be roughly equivalent in cost to the electricity from coal the problem with

electricity from coal the problem with

electricity from coal the problem with the wind and the Sun of course is

the wind and the Sun of course is

the wind and the Sun of course is they’re not there all the time right

they’re not there all the time right

they’re not there all the time right it’s not sunny at night and there’s no

it’s not sunny at night and there’s no

it’s not sunny at night and there’s no wind on a calm day so to implement

wind on a calm day so to implement

wind on a calm day so to implement renewables at a large scale on the grid

renewables at a large scale on the grid

renewables at a large scale on the grid you got to have energy storage however

you got to have energy storage however

you got to have energy storage however you’re going to do it you know if you’re

you’re going to do it you know if you’re

you’re going to do it you know if you’re heating your home you can store energy

heating your home you can store energy

heating your home you can store energy as heat but for certain things you need

as heat but for certain things you need

as heat but for certain things you need it as electricity and the idea is you

it as electricity and the idea is you

it as electricity and the idea is you would build gigantic power walls and

would build gigantic power walls and

would build gigantic power walls and Tesla does do this and so do other

Tesla does do this and so do other

Tesla does do this and so do other companies where you can store the energy

companies where you can store the energy

companies where you can store the energy from solar and wind at the moment if the

from solar and wind at the moment if the

from solar and wind at the moment if the if the power wall were to last 10 years

if the power wall were to last 10 years

if the power wall were to last 10 years storing the energy and redelivery it

storing the energy and redelivery it

storing the energy and redelivery it would about double the cost okay so

would about double the cost okay so

would about double the cost okay so solar plus the storage would be double

solar plus the storage would be double

solar plus the storage would be double then Solar alone so the idea is by

then Solar alone so the idea is by

then Solar alone so the idea is by extending the lifetime of the

extending the lifetime of the

extending the lifetime of the lithium-ion cells from 10 to

lithium-ion cells from 10 to

lithium-ion cells from 10 to twenty to thirty to forty or however

twenty to thirty to forty or however

twenty to thirty to forty or however long we can ultimately make them last

long we can ultimately make them last

long we can ultimately make them last the costs will come down proportionately

the costs will come down proportionately

the costs will come down proportionately and that’s a good thing okay so that’s

and that’s a good thing okay so that’s

and that’s a good thing okay so that’s why we’re in this and I want to leave

why we’re in this and I want to leave

why we’re in this and I want to leave you with a really sobering note here

you with a really sobering note here

you with a really sobering note here which is okay we have to do this and

which is okay we have to do this and

which is okay we have to do this and wind and solar are established

wind and solar are established

wind and solar are established technologies that costs are quite good

technologies that costs are quite good

technologies that costs are quite good at the moment let’s say that we wanted

at the moment let’s say that we wanted

at the moment let’s say that we wanted to power Nova Scotia with wind we direct

to power Nova Scotia with wind we direct

to power Nova Scotia with wind we direct enough windmills and we’d also have to

enough windmills and we’d also have to

enough windmills and we’d also have to put in enough storage to be able to

put in enough storage to be able to

put in enough storage to be able to store electricity for a period of time

store electricity for a period of time

store electricity for a period of time when the wind is not there so let’s say

when the wind is not there so let’s say

when the wind is not there so let’s say we want to store electricity for one day

we want to store electricity for one day

we want to store electricity for one day so we could power Nova Scotia for one

so we could power Nova Scotia for one

so we could power Nova Scotia for one day okay how much we need to store

day okay how much we need to store

day okay how much we need to store well Nova Scotia power generates 2.3

well Nova Scotia power generates 2.3

well Nova Scotia power generates 2.3 gigawatts continuously of electrical

gigawatts continuously of electrical

gigawatts continuously of electrical power if we want to store 24 hours worth

power if we want to store 24 hours worth

power if we want to store 24 hours worth 2.3 gigawatts times 24 hours equals 55

2.3 gigawatts times 24 hours equals 55

2.3 gigawatts times 24 hours equals 55 gigawatt hours we need to store to power

gigawatt hours we need to store to power

gigawatt hours we need to store to power Nova Scotia for one day if you remember

Nova Scotia for one day if you remember

Nova Scotia for one day if you remember back to my previous slide the Tesla

back to my previous slide the Tesla

back to my previous slide the Tesla gigafactory which will be half the world

gigafactory which will be half the world

gigafactory which will be half the world productions of lithium-ion cells makes

productions of lithium-ion cells makes

productions of lithium-ion cells makes 35 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion cells

35 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion cells

35 gigawatt hours of lithium-ion cells in a year not even enough to power Nova

in a year not even enough to power Nova

in a year not even enough to power Nova Scotia from one day okay so the scale of

Scotia from one day okay so the scale of

Scotia from one day okay so the scale of energy storage that we need for

energy storage that we need for

energy storage that we need for renewables is almost beyond

renewables is almost beyond

renewables is almost beyond comprehension its massive and yet you

comprehension its massive and yet you

comprehension its massive and yet you know people like Elon Musk who’s the CEO

know people like Elon Musk who’s the CEO

know people like Elon Musk who’s the CEO of Tesla recognizes the importance and

of Tesla recognizes the importance and

of Tesla recognizes the importance and has the guts and the passion to go ahead

has the guts and the passion to go ahead

has the guts and the passion to go ahead and build this giant Giga Factory and

and build this giant Giga Factory and

and build this giant Giga Factory and get people to buy into this idea you

get people to buy into this idea you

get people to buy into this idea you know the man is truly a visionary he’s

know the man is truly a visionary he’s

know the man is truly a visionary he’s been ranked alongside Bill Gates and

been ranked alongside Bill Gates and

been ranked alongside Bill Gates and Steve Jobs as one of the most visionary

Steve Jobs as one of the most visionary

Steve Jobs as one of the most visionary guys you know in this era and I must

guys you know in this era and I must

guys you know in this era and I must tell you that Tesla has only one

tell you that Tesla has only one

tell you that Tesla has only one University partnership in the world

University partnership in the world

University partnership in the world and it’s with us okay and I feel

and it’s with us okay and I feel

and it’s with us okay and I feel incredibly thrilled and incredibly

incredibly thrilled and incredibly

incredibly thrilled and incredibly honored to have the opportunity to work

honored to have the opportunity to work

honored to have the opportunity to work with a company like that thank you very

with a company like that thank you very

with a company like that thank you very much

much

much [Applause]

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