[Music] one very simple message which is that
one very simple message which is that
one very simple message which is that well it’s called Mahatma matters so
well it’s called Mahatma matters so
well it’s called Mahatma matters so which is that Mahatma the Mahatma
which is that Mahatma the Mahatma
which is that Mahatma the Mahatma matters of course Mahatma’s matter also
matters of course Mahatma’s matter also
matters of course Mahatma’s matter also but also that we have to talk about
but also that we have to talk about
but also that we have to talk about things or matters concerning Mahatma’s
things or matters concerning Mahatma’s
things or matters concerning Mahatma’s might seem as if it’s about my book the
might seem as if it’s about my book the
might seem as if it’s about my book the death and afterlife of Matt McGann D but
death and afterlife of Matt McGann D but
death and afterlife of Matt McGann D but it’s actually not entirely about it the
it’s actually not entirely about it the
it’s actually not entirely about it the book is only a pretext so in terms of my
book is only a pretext so in terms of my
book is only a pretext so in terms of my methodology what I want to do this
methodology what I want to do this
methodology what I want to do this evening is to talk more about the
evening is to talk more about the
evening is to talk more about the afterlife of Gandhi while the slides are
afterlife of Gandhi while the slides are
afterlife of Gandhi while the slides are about his death because you can see that
about his death because you can see that
about his death because you can see that the title of this book is the death and
the title of this book is the death and
the title of this book is the death and afterlife of Matt McGann d and we might
afterlife of Matt McGann d and we might
afterlife of Matt McGann d and we might ask ourselves when I say Mahatma’s
ask ourselves when I say Mahatma’s
ask ourselves when I say Mahatma’s matter or Mahatma the Mahatma matters or
matter or Mahatma the Mahatma matters or
matter or Mahatma the Mahatma matters or matters concerning Mahatma’s what is him
matters concerning Mahatma’s what is him
matters concerning Mahatma’s what is him hotma who is a madman and in this book I
hotma who is a madman and in this book I
hotma who is a madman and in this book I propose a very simple explanation or
propose a very simple explanation or
propose a very simple explanation or definition Mahatma is somebody whose
definition Mahatma is somebody whose
definition Mahatma is somebody whose afterlife is more important more
afterlife is more important more
afterlife is more important more powerful than his life and it’s very
powerful than his life and it’s very
powerful than his life and it’s very interestingly illustrated in the
interestingly illustrated in the
interestingly illustrated in the Bollywood film which many of you have
Bollywood film which many of you have
Bollywood film which many of you have seen I’m sure Leggero Munna Bhai where
seen I’m sure Leggero Munna Bhai where
seen I’m sure Leggero Munna Bhai where the Mahatma is actually a ghost yes
the Mahatma is actually a ghost yes
the Mahatma is actually a ghost yes whereas Attenborough’s Gandhi is about
whereas Attenborough’s Gandhi is about
whereas Attenborough’s Gandhi is about the life of Mahatma of the Mahatma so
the life of Mahatma of the Mahatma so
the life of Mahatma of the Mahatma so it’s a hagiography but Bollywood
it’s a hagiography but Bollywood
it’s a hagiography but Bollywood understands that the afterlife is more
understands that the afterlife is more
understands that the afterlife is more important now let me get back to the
important now let me get back to the
important now let me get back to the slide this is the place where he died
slide this is the place where he died
slide this is the place where he died where he was shot assassinated this is
where he was shot assassinated this is
where he was shot assassinated this is the Birla house and it’s on 30th January
the Birla house and it’s on 30th January
the Birla house and it’s on 30th January Road in New Delhi
Road in New Delhi
Road in New Delhi these January markets we know it and
these January markets we know it and
these January markets we know it and it’s now called the Gandhi Smriti and
it’s now called the Gandhi Smriti and
it’s now called the Gandhi Smriti and his body was kept out in the balcony for
his body was kept out in the balcony for
his body was kept out in the balcony for some time for people to to go and pay
some time for people to to go and pay
some time for people to to go and pay their homage to him and this is what he
their homage to him and this is what he
their homage to him and this is what he looked like after he was shot
looked like after he was shot
looked like after he was shot there’s no pointer here but you can see
there’s no pointer here but you can see
there’s no pointer here but you can see the garland of bullets on his chest
the garland of bullets on his chest
the garland of bullets on his chest in fact his son David as Gandhi said
in fact his son David as Gandhi said
in fact his son David as Gandhi said that key
that key
that key his chest exposed because let people see
his chest exposed because let people see
his chest exposed because let people see that he took bullets on his chest in
that he took bullets on his chest in
that he took bullets on his chest in fact just a couple of days before he
fact just a couple of days before he
fact just a couple of days before he died he told his grandniece he said that
died he told his grandniece he said that
died he told his grandniece he said that if I die of pneumonia or a common cold
if I die of pneumonia or a common cold
if I die of pneumonia or a common cold or so much as a pimple proclaimed to the
or so much as a pimple proclaimed to the
or so much as a pimple proclaimed to the world that he was no Mahatma but a
world that he was no Mahatma but a
world that he was no Mahatma but a charlatan a fraud but if I die with
charlatan a fraud but if I die with
charlatan a fraud but if I die with bullets on my chest then I will have
bullets on my chest then I will have
bullets on my chest then I will have died as I lived so you see the three
died as I lived so you see the three
died as I lived so you see the three bullets that he took two passed clean
bullets that he took two passed clean
bullets that he took two passed clean through him one was just above his
through him one was just above his
through him one was just above his stomach above his solar plexus the other
stomach above his solar plexus the other
stomach above his solar plexus the other one was in his chest and the third one
one was in his chest and the third one
one was in his chest and the third one so these two went right through him and
so these two went right through him and
so these two went right through him and the third one was in his lung and it
the third one was in his lung and it
the third one was in his lung and it remained in his lung in fact he bled it
remained in his lung in fact he bled it
remained in his lung in fact he bled it was you know as they say halal he kind
was you know as they say halal he kind
was you know as they say halal he kind of bled bled out so that the face was
of bled bled out so that the face was
of bled bled out so that the face was also very pale and an ashen as I said
also very pale and an ashen as I said
also very pale and an ashen as I said that if the afterlife of a Mahatma is
that if the afterlife of a Mahatma is
that if the afterlife of a Mahatma is what defines him if the afterlife is
what defines him if the afterlife is
what defines him if the afterlife is greater than his life then we should ask
greater than his life then we should ask
greater than his life then we should ask what is the significance of his
what is the significance of his
what is the significance of his afterlife and in this book I try to
afterlife and in this book I try to
afterlife and in this book I try to argue that to understand the meaning of
argue that to understand the meaning of
argue that to understand the meaning of the afterlife of Mahatma Gandhi we have
the afterlife of Mahatma Gandhi we have
the afterlife of Mahatma Gandhi we have to contemplate his death what did he die
to contemplate his death what did he die
to contemplate his death what did he die for not just who killed him
for not just who killed him
for not just who killed him so this is his body decorated with some
so this is his body decorated with some
so this is his body decorated with some flowers and those are his two
flowers and those are his two
flowers and those are his two grandnieces and mani been who was
grandnieces and mani been who was
grandnieces and mani been who was Siddharth Patel’s daughter they surround
Siddharth Patel’s daughter they surround
Siddharth Patel’s daughter they surround him there this is the Mahatma
him there this is the Mahatma
him there this is the Mahatma this is Gandhiji and his assassin
this is Gandhiji and his assassin
this is Gandhiji and his assassin naturam Vinayak Godse another way to
naturam Vinayak Godse another way to
naturam Vinayak Godse another way to define a Mahatma is that a Mahatma
define a Mahatma is that a Mahatma
define a Mahatma is that a Mahatma cannot be appropriated by any particular
cannot be appropriated by any particular
cannot be appropriated by any particular party ideology or group they may want to
party ideology or group they may want to
party ideology or group they may want to make cultural or political capital out
make cultural or political capital out
make cultural or political capital out of him in fact there are wonderful
of him in fact there are wonderful
of him in fact there are wonderful accounts of how in his death he also
accounts of how in his death he also
accounts of how in his death he also United the Congress party you know Nehru
United the Congress party you know Nehru
United the Congress party you know Nehru and / tales of thought per tail did not
and / tales of thought per tail did not
and / tales of thought per tail did not see eye to eye and indeed Gandhiji had a
see eye to eye and indeed Gandhiji had a
see eye to eye and indeed Gandhiji had a very long meeting with Nehru
very long meeting with Nehru
very long meeting with Nehru and after the prayer meeting he was
and after the prayer meeting he was
and after the prayer meeting he was supposed to meet Patel and you know he
supposed to meet Patel and you know he
supposed to meet Patel and you know he was called for his prayer meeting he was
was called for his prayer meeting he was
was called for his prayer meeting he was late and he said I’m late and that was
late and he said I’m late and that was
late and he said I’m late and that was his last prayer meeting and when he fell
his last prayer meeting and when he fell
his last prayer meeting and when he fell his watch stopped working it was 5:17
his watch stopped working it was 5:17
his watch stopped working it was 5:17 p.m. on the 30th of January 1948 but
p.m. on the 30th of January 1948 but
p.m. on the 30th of January 1948 but what I was trying to say is that many
what I was trying to say is that many
what I was trying to say is that many people have tried to make political
people have tried to make political
people have tried to make political capital off his death
capital off his death
capital off his death blaming certain people on the one hand
blaming certain people on the one hand
blaming certain people on the one hand and trying to take credit for his life
and trying to take credit for his life
and trying to take credit for his life but not everybody knows or remembers
but not everybody knows or remembers
but not everybody knows or remembers that the day before Gandhiji died he
that the day before Gandhiji died he
that the day before Gandhiji died he wrote out his last will and testament
wrote out his last will and testament
wrote out his last will and testament where he said that the Congress party
where he said that the Congress party
where he said that the Congress party should be dissolved and that the
should be dissolved and that the
should be dissolved and that the Congress workers having attained
Congress workers having attained
Congress workers having attained independence will not require addition
independence will not require addition
independence will not require addition turned themselves into a political power
turned themselves into a political power
turned themselves into a political power and seek office and the spoils of power
and seek office and the spoils of power
and seek office and the spoils of power political power instead they should fan
political power instead they should fan
political power instead they should fan out go to the countryside serve the
out go to the countryside serve the
out go to the countryside serve the people almost like a parallel government
people almost like a parallel government
people almost like a parallel government keeping officials in check keeping
keeping officials in check keeping
keeping officials in check keeping bureaucrats and politicians accountable
bureaucrats and politicians accountable
bureaucrats and politicians accountable so you can see that there were a lot of
so you can see that there were a lot of
so you can see that there were a lot of people who were very you might say
people who were very you might say
people who were very you might say displeased with Gandhi which he wrote
displeased with Gandhi which he wrote
displeased with Gandhi which he wrote about in his last days so a Mahatma is
about in his last days so a Mahatma is
about in his last days so a Mahatma is also somebody whose legacy whose life or
also somebody whose legacy whose life or
also somebody whose legacy whose life or after life cannot be appropriated by any
after life cannot be appropriated by any
after life cannot be appropriated by any individual group or political party or
individual group or political party or
individual group or political party or ideology a Martin always resists such
ideology a Martin always resists such
ideology a Martin always resists such pigeonholing slotting categorizing so
pigeonholing slotting categorizing so
pigeonholing slotting categorizing so everybody knows or has talked about the
everybody knows or has talked about the
everybody knows or has talked about the links of not romp with RSS he was indeed
links of not romp with RSS he was indeed
links of not romp with RSS he was indeed a member of the RSS the Rashtriya
a member of the RSS the Rashtriya
a member of the RSS the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh for some time and then
Swayamsevak Sangh for some time and then
Swayamsevak Sangh for some time and then he left the organization he was very
he left the organization he was very
he left the organization he was very much a part of the Hindu Mahasabha
much a part of the Hindu Mahasabha
much a part of the Hindu Mahasabha but the real point whether it is for all
but the real point whether it is for all
but the real point whether it is for all of us or for the RSS or for the Hindu
of us or for the RSS or for the Hindu
of us or for the RSS or for the Hindu right or for Hindu nationalists to think
right or for Hindu nationalists to think
right or for Hindu nationalists to think about is whether you want to follow
about is whether you want to follow
about is whether you want to follow natural or narendra modi because the
natural or narendra modi because the
natural or narendra modi because the first thing that our Prime Minister did
first thing that our Prime Minister did
first thing that our Prime Minister did on assuming office
on assuming office
on assuming office of a floral tribute he offered flowers
of a floral tribute he offered flowers
of a floral tribute he offered flowers to the picture of madmen Gandhi in his
to the picture of madmen Gandhi in his
to the picture of madmen Gandhi in his office so what I’m trying to say is that
office so what I’m trying to say is that
office so what I’m trying to say is that you cannot drive a wedge between
you cannot drive a wedge between
you cannot drive a wedge between different sections of India on the basis
different sections of India on the basis
different sections of India on the basis of Gandhiji and as I said if somebody’s
of Gandhiji and as I said if somebody’s
of Gandhiji and as I said if somebody’s afterlife is greater than their life
afterlife is greater than their life
afterlife is greater than their life which really means that
which really means that
which really means that marnik cheesy-looking shortness
marnik cheesy-looking shortness
marnik cheesy-looking shortness immersion a putana do free cheese it’s
immersion a putana do free cheese it’s
immersion a putana do free cheese it’s very hard to digest Gandhi because he
very hard to digest Gandhi because he
very hard to digest Gandhi because he keeps in a sense defying us provoking us
keeps in a sense defying us provoking us
keeps in a sense defying us provoking us and it’s that persistence of who he was
and it’s that persistence of who he was
and it’s that persistence of who he was and what he stood for which makes him a
and what he stood for which makes him a
and what he stood for which makes him a Mahatma this is the the funeral
Mahatma this is the the funeral
Mahatma this is the the funeral procession of Gandhiji one of the many
procession of Gandhiji one of the many
procession of Gandhiji one of the many ironies about his death was that the so
ironies about his death was that the so
ironies about his death was that the so called apostle of peace and ahimsa was
called apostle of peace and ahimsa was
called apostle of peace and ahimsa was taken in a gun carriage to the cremation
taken in a gun carriage to the cremation
taken in a gun carriage to the cremation ground you know so and that gun carriage
ground you know so and that gun carriage
ground you know so and that gun carriage is still preserved in the Gandhi smithy
is still preserved in the Gandhi smithy
is still preserved in the Gandhi smithy you can look at it it’s a bit worn for
you can look at it it’s a bit worn for
you can look at it it’s a bit worn for age but it’s still there on display but
age but it’s still there on display but
age but it’s still there on display but all these army people and of course his
all these army people and of course his
all these army people and of course his own army of kadhi wearing acolytes at
own army of kadhi wearing acolytes at
own army of kadhi wearing acolytes at the back this is another view of the
the back this is another view of the
the back this is another view of the funeral procession which went past india
funeral procession which went past india
funeral procession which went past india gate towards raj heart where he was
gate towards raj heart where he was
gate towards raj heart where he was cremated which also makes him very
cremated which also makes him very
cremated which also makes him very interesting in the history of Delhi
interesting in the history of Delhi
interesting in the history of Delhi because Delhi is full of the tombs of
because Delhi is full of the tombs of
because Delhi is full of the tombs of temper of emperors you know many many
temper of emperors you know many many
temper of emperors you know many many Emperor’s are buried here and also of
Emperor’s are buried here and also of
Emperor’s are buried here and also of saints we heard of Moinuddin Chishti
saints we heard of Moinuddin Chishti
saints we heard of Moinuddin Chishti and you know we in fact heard of Quadra
and you know we in fact heard of Quadra
and you know we in fact heard of Quadra Nizam would then his such a grand
Nizam would then his such a grand
Nizam would then his such a grand disciple because this his his disciple
disciple because this his his disciple
disciple because this his his disciple or great grand because his disciple was
or great grand because his disciple was
or great grand because his disciple was bakhtiar kaki whose Meszaros and merrily
bakhtiar kaki whose Meszaros and merrily
bakhtiar kaki whose Meszaros and merrily but there is a fool by Lucas air but
but there is a fool by Lucas air but
but there is a fool by Lucas air but Gandhiji said don’t disrupt after
Gandhiji said don’t disrupt after
Gandhiji said don’t disrupt after independence by the way which was one of
independence by the way which was one of
independence by the way which was one of the last places he went in January in
the last places he went in January in
the last places he went in January in 1948 and then his disciple was Baba
1948 and then his disciple was Baba
1948 and then his disciple was Baba Farid
Farid
Farid and his disciple was Nizamuddin Auliya
and his disciple was Nizamuddin Auliya
and his disciple was Nizamuddin Auliya who’s whose compositions or in whose
who’s whose compositions or in whose
who’s whose compositions or in whose honor Amir Khusro compositions you just
honor Amir Khusro compositions you just
honor Amir Khusro compositions you just heard and so the point really is that
heard and so the point really is that
heard and so the point really is that daily
daily
daily full of the mizar’s of saints and before
full of the mizar’s of saints and before
full of the mizar’s of saints and before that of other scenes before the Sufis
that of other scenes before the Sufis
that of other scenes before the Sufis and after that of others don’t forget
and after that of others don’t forget
and after that of others don’t forget that guru Tegh Bahadur was also martyred
that guru Tegh Bahadur was also martyred
that guru Tegh Bahadur was also martyred here
here
here the point is Gandhiji and guru tegh bar
the point is Gandhiji and guru tegh bar
the point is Gandhiji and guru tegh bar are the only ones of two kinds of
are the only ones of two kinds of
are the only ones of two kinds of memorials a memorial like Raj cot for
memorials a memorial like Raj cot for
memorials a memorial like Raj cot for their political significance and a
their political significance and a
their political significance and a memorial for their spiritual
memorial for their spiritual
memorial for their spiritual significance these are some of the
significance these are some of the
significance these are some of the newspaper headlines in the Star Times
newspaper headlines in the Star Times
newspaper headlines in the Star Times was edited by a son David as Gandhi then
was edited by a son David as Gandhi then
was edited by a son David as Gandhi then it was a newspaper owned by the billa’s
it was a newspaper owned by the billa’s
it was a newspaper owned by the billa’s I showed you the house in which on the
I showed you the house in which on the
I showed you the house in which on the grounds of which he was killed
grounds of which he was killed
grounds of which he was killed now that was Bella’s house but if you
now that was Bella’s house but if you
now that was Bella’s house but if you see the room in which he lived he wanted
see the room in which he lived he wanted
see the room in which he lived he wanted to send out a message which was he was
to send out a message which was he was
to send out a message which was he was off with lajas but not I mean he was in
off with lajas but not I mean he was in
off with lajas but not I mean he was in bed loud but not off or for the Bellas
bed loud but not off or for the Bellas
bed loud but not off or for the Bellas or the rich capitalists of India in fact
or the rich capitalists of India in fact
or the rich capitalists of India in fact all his belongings there was so few of
all his belongings there was so few of
all his belongings there was so few of them they’re still preserved that his
them they’re still preserved that his
them they’re still preserved that his glasses his watch his shows I mean is
glasses his watch his shows I mean is
glasses his watch his shows I mean is cut out and he slept on the ground in a
cut out and he slept on the ground in a
cut out and he slept on the ground in a tiny room in that huge house so these
tiny room in that huge house so these
tiny room in that huge house so these are some more of the newspaper headlines
are some more of the newspaper headlines
are some more of the newspaper headlines that you can see here this was the
that you can see here this was the
that you can see here this was the newspaper headline of dawn which was a
newspaper headline of dawn which was a
newspaper headline of dawn which was a Pakistani newspaper it still exists and
Pakistani newspaper it still exists and
Pakistani newspaper it still exists and it’s very interesting that this is his
it’s very interesting that this is his
it’s very interesting that this is his funeral pyre and his granddaughter Manu
funeral pyre and his granddaughter Manu
funeral pyre and his granddaughter Manu writes that the buyer soon got so hot
writes that the buyer soon got so hot
writes that the buyer soon got so hot that nobody could sit around it so as he
that nobody could sit around it so as he
that nobody could sit around it so as he lived he died alone in solitary splendor
lived he died alone in solitary splendor
lived he died alone in solitary splendor this is sir Raja denied Rose broadcast
this is sir Raja denied Rose broadcast
this is sir Raja denied Rose broadcast on his death where he says where she
on his death where he says where she
on his death where he says where she says my father do not rest now this is
says my father do not rest now this is
says my father do not rest now this is the opposite of our IP you know rest in
the opposite of our IP you know rest in
the opposite of our IP you know rest in peace and this is the point I was trying
peace and this is the point I was trying
peace and this is the point I was trying to make that Gandhi’s afterlife if it’s
to make that Gandhi’s afterlife if it’s
to make that Gandhi’s afterlife if it’s greater than his life is going to fill
greater than his life is going to fill
greater than his life is going to fill all of us with some kind of chemical
all of us with some kind of chemical
all of us with some kind of chemical OCHA in the brain to quote Leggero Munna
OCHA in the brain to quote Leggero Munna
OCHA in the brain to quote Leggero Munna Bhai he doesn’t let us rest he haunts
Bhai he doesn’t let us rest he haunts
Bhai he doesn’t let us rest he haunts the body politic of India and the real
the body politic of India and the real
the body politic of India and the real question is what is this man and his
question is what is this man and his
question is what is this man and his life what is the meaning of it and why
life what is the meaning of it and why
life what is the meaning of it and why did he die so
did he die so
did he die so death was this yoga his last yoga these
death was this yoga his last yoga these
death was this yoga his last yoga these are his very words and he offered his
are his very words and he offered his
are his very words and he offered his own body as an abuti in that last yoga
own body as an abuti in that last yoga
own body as an abuti in that last yoga but what was the yoga for yoga was for
but what was the yoga for yoga was for
but what was the yoga for yoga was for saving India from an endless partition
saving India from an endless partition
saving India from an endless partition what is an endless partition and endless
what is an endless partition and endless
what is an endless partition and endless partition is a cycle of memetic violence
partition is a cycle of memetic violence
partition is a cycle of memetic violence that gets played over and over and over
that gets played over and over and over
that gets played over and over and over again and while is it important to save
again and while is it important to save
again and while is it important to save India it was important to save India
India it was important to save India
India it was important to save India because India stands for something it
because India stands for something it
because India stands for something it doesn’t stand Gandhi himself said it it
doesn’t stand Gandhi himself said it it
doesn’t stand Gandhi himself said it it doesn’t stand India doesn’t rise for
doesn’t stand India doesn’t rise for
doesn’t stand India doesn’t rise for herself alone but India has that
herself alone but India has that
herself alone but India has that capacity or that power or that message
capacity or that power or that message
capacity or that power or that message which can actually be of great use to
which can actually be of great use to
which can actually be of great use to humanity in the present times which are
humanity in the present times which are
humanity in the present times which are of course a time of great crises and one
of course a time of great crises and one
of course a time of great crises and one might ask what is that message of India
might ask what is that message of India
might ask what is that message of India and of Gandhi that India can offer to
and of Gandhi that India can offer to
and of Gandhi that India can offer to the world and this is what we come back
the world and this is what we come back
the world and this is what we come back to when we think about Mahatma matters
to when we think about Mahatma matters
to when we think about Mahatma matters so these Mahatma’s who trod the soil of
so these Mahatma’s who trod the soil of
so these Mahatma’s who trod the soil of India for different since times
India for different since times
India for different since times immemorial were essentially trying to
immemorial were essentially trying to
immemorial were essentially trying to tell us one thing and that that thing
tell us one thing and that that thing
tell us one thing and that that thing that they were trying to tell us is that
that they were trying to tell us is that
that they were trying to tell us is that we are much greater than who we are or
we are much greater than who we are or
we are much greater than who we are or who we think we are and there’s a
who we think we are and there’s a
who we think we are and there’s a purpose for our being here on this earth
purpose for our being here on this earth
purpose for our being here on this earth and that purpose is not just to identify
and that purpose is not just to identify
and that purpose is not just to identify ourselves you know what daily life as we
ourselves you know what daily life as we
ourselves you know what daily life as we understand it would use this opportunity
understand it would use this opportunity
understand it would use this opportunity to you know in a sense realize ourselves
to you know in a sense realize ourselves
to you know in a sense realize ourselves realize who we really are and that was
realize who we really are and that was
realize who we really are and that was what Gandhi’s satyagraha was about so
what Gandhi’s satyagraha was about so
what Gandhi’s satyagraha was about so the last thing that I want to leave you
the last thing that I want to leave you
the last thing that I want to leave you with is that when Gandhi wrote in Swaraj
with is that when Gandhi wrote in Swaraj
with is that when Gandhi wrote in Swaraj in 1909 he realized that modernity was
in 1909 he realized that modernity was
in 1909 he realized that modernity was self-destructive you heard about sugar
self-destructive you heard about sugar
self-destructive you heard about sugar earlier in that sense all these sugars
earlier in that sense all these sugars
earlier in that sense all these sugars are metaphorically symbolic or
are metaphorically symbolic or
are metaphorically symbolic or emblematic of our modern way of life
emblematic of our modern way of life
emblematic of our modern way of life which is in the end going to be suicidal
which is in the end going to be suicidal
which is in the end going to be suicidal because we’re not living in harmony
because we’re not living in harmony
because we’re not living in harmony either with nature there are three
either with nature there are three
either with nature there are three worlds then the world of the humans the
worlds then the world of the humans the
worlds then the world of the humans the world of nature and the world of gods
world of nature and the world of gods
world of nature and the world of gods now these three worlds are in a sense
now these three worlds are in a sense
now these three worlds are in a sense out of kilter they’re not in harmony
out of kilter they’re not in harmony
out of kilter they’re not in harmony and the message of the Mahatma’s is
and the message of the Mahatma’s is
and the message of the Mahatma’s is really to get these worlds back into
really to get these worlds back into
really to get these worlds back into harmony so that we can save the human
harmony so that we can save the human
harmony so that we can save the human race and our habitation
race and our habitation
race and our habitation from self-destruction and that is why
from self-destruction and that is why
from self-destruction and that is why this Mahatma matters and all these
this Mahatma matters and all these
this Mahatma matters and all these Mahatma’s matter and that is why India
Mahatma’s matter and that is why India
Mahatma’s matter and that is why India matters – thank you so much
matters – thank you so much
matters – thank you so much [Applause]
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