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Living Organ Donation? Not so fast! | Sigrid Fry-Revere | TEDxLafayetteCollege


hi everyone I’m going to speak on

hi everyone I’m going to speak on solving the organ shortage the United

solving the organ shortage the United

solving the organ shortage the United States has a very severe organ shortage

States has a very severe organ shortage

States has a very severe organ shortage approximately one American dies every

approximately one American dies every

approximately one American dies every hour because I can’t get a life-saving

hour because I can’t get a life-saving

hour because I can’t get a life-saving transplant historically the United

transplant historically the United

transplant historically the United States has emphasized deceased organ

States has emphasized deceased organ

States has emphasized deceased organ donation as a way to solve the organ

donation as a way to solve the organ

donation as a way to solve the organ shortage

shortage

shortage unfortunately that strategy has failed

unfortunately that strategy has failed

unfortunately that strategy has failed as you can see by this graph back in

as you can see by this graph back in

as you can see by this graph back in 1990 it looked like we might be able to

1990 it looked like we might be able to

1990 it looked like we might be able to solve the organ shortage with organs

solve the organ shortage with organs

solve the organ shortage with organs from the recently deceased but today

from the recently deceased but today

from the recently deceased but today even if every American agreed to be an

even if every American agreed to be an

even if every American agreed to be an organ donor when they died we wouldn’t

organ donor when they died we wouldn’t

organ donor when they died we wouldn’t have anywhere enough organs to solve the

have anywhere enough organs to solve the

have anywhere enough organs to solve the organ shortage so in recent years US

organ shortage so in recent years US

organ shortage so in recent years US policymakers have started to think about

policymakers have started to think about

policymakers have started to think about living organ donors as a way to fill the

living organ donors as a way to fill the

living organ donors as a way to fill the gap in principle that is a good idea but

gap in principle that is a good idea but

gap in principle that is a good idea but we need to go about it the right way

we need to go about it the right way

we need to go about it the right way encouraging people to donate by

encouraging people to donate by

encouraging people to donate by promising them money or promising them

promising them money or promising them

promising them money or promising them perks or by creating educational

perks or by creating educational

perks or by creating educational campaigns that imply that people will

campaigns that imply that people will

campaigns that imply that people will feel better about themselves if they

feel better about themselves if they

feel better about themselves if they become living organ donors is the wrong

become living organ donors is the wrong

become living organ donors is the wrong way that’s because it borders on

way that’s because it borders on

way that’s because it borders on unethical to tempt people to participate

unethical to tempt people to participate

unethical to tempt people to participate in a broken system the problem is we

in a broken system the problem is we

in a broken system the problem is we have something like a conspiracy of

have something like a conspiracy of

have something like a conspiracy of silence going on the medical community

silence going on the medical community

silence going on the medical community the media and even living organ donors

the media and even living organ donors

the media and even living organ donors themselves tend to describe the ideal

themselves tend to describe the ideal

themselves tend to describe the ideal donor experience because they don’t want

donor experience because they don’t want

donor experience because they don’t want to discourage people from donating but

to discourage people from donating but

to discourage people from donating but by doing that they create an atmosphere

by doing that they create an atmosphere

by doing that they create an atmosphere where policies are geared towards the

where policies are geared towards the

where policies are geared towards the ideal scenario and living organ donors

ideal scenario and living organ donors

ideal scenario and living organ donors aren’t prepared

aren’t prepared

aren’t prepared when things don’t go as expected I’m

when things don’t go as expected I’m

when things don’t go as expected I’m going to focus on kidney donation

going to focus on kidney donation

going to focus on kidney donation because most living organ donors are

because most living organ donors are

because most living organ donors are giving up one of their two kidneys to

giving up one of their two kidneys to

giving up one of their two kidneys to save the life of another person so what

save the life of another person so what

save the life of another person so what might be a bad scenario bad policy

might be a bad scenario bad policy

might be a bad scenario bad policy well telling potential kidney donors

well telling potential kidney donors

well telling potential kidney donors that they can be back at work within 30

that they can be back at work within 30

that they can be back at work within 30 days would be a bad idea because it’s

days would be a bad idea because it’s

days would be a bad idea because it’s really only true about the ideal donor

really only true about the ideal donor

really only true about the ideal donor someone who is young and healthy who has

someone who is young and healthy who has

someone who is young and healthy who has a desk job who doesn’t have to do any

a desk job who doesn’t have to do any

a desk job who doesn’t have to do any heavy lifting at work or at home who

heavy lifting at work or at home who

heavy lifting at work or at home who doesn’t Drive large distances and who is

doesn’t Drive large distances and who is

doesn’t Drive large distances and who is not one of the kidney donors who has a 5

not one of the kidney donors who has a 5

not one of the kidney donors who has a 5 to 10 percent chance of having a

to 10 percent chance of having a

to 10 percent chance of having a complication that doesn’t resolve within

complication that doesn’t resolve within

complication that doesn’t resolve within 30 days so if you’re not that ideal

30 days so if you’re not that ideal

30 days so if you’re not that ideal donor you might be out of work for 60 or

donor you might be out of work for 60 or

donor you might be out of work for 60 or 90 days or longer this wouldn’t be so

90 days or longer this wouldn’t be so

90 days or longer this wouldn’t be so bad except most kidney donors have to

bad except most kidney donors have to

bad except most kidney donors have to take unpaid leave and are using up their

take unpaid leave and are using up their

take unpaid leave and are using up their savings and going into debt expecting to

savings and going into debt expecting to

savings and going into debt expecting to be back at work in a month so when one

be back at work in a month so when one

be back at work in a month so when one month becomes two months or three months

month becomes two months or three months

month becomes two months or three months or longer and my goodness if there are

or longer and my goodness if there are

or longer and my goodness if there are medical bills on top of it all it can

medical bills on top of it all it can

medical bills on top of it all it can mean financial disaster the way it is

mean financial disaster the way it is

mean financial disaster the way it is supposed to work with medical bills is

supposed to work with medical bills is

supposed to work with medical bills is that the insurance company for the

that the insurance company for the

that the insurance company for the person who is getting the life-saving

person who is getting the life-saving

person who is getting the life-saving organ is supposed to pay all donation

organ is supposed to pay all donation

organ is supposed to pay all donation related medical bills but sometimes they

related medical bills but sometimes they

related medical bills but sometimes they deny coverage and sometimes the donors

deny coverage and sometimes the donors

deny coverage and sometimes the donors own insurance also denies coverage

own insurance also denies coverage

own insurance also denies coverage claiming that living organ donation is

claiming that living organ donation is

claiming that living organ donation is elective surgery so while the insurance

elective surgery so while the insurance

elective surgery so while the insurance companies Duke it out the donor is

companies Duke it out the donor is

companies Duke it out the donor is with the bills I volunteer for the

with the bills I volunteer for the

with the bills I volunteer for the American living organ donor fund and I

American living organ donor fund and I

American living organ donor fund and I have seen a kidney donor end up homeless

have seen a kidney donor end up homeless

have seen a kidney donor end up homeless on the street because of medical bills

on the street because of medical bills

on the street because of medical bills we do everything we can to help donors

we do everything we can to help donors

we do everything we can to help donors find financial assistance including the

find financial assistance including the

find financial assistance including the federal program that helps with travel

federal program that helps with travel

federal program that helps with travel and lodging and other charities that

and lodging and other charities that

and lodging and other charities that help with post donation expenses but

help with post donation expenses but

help with post donation expenses but still we only have enough funding to

still we only have enough funding to

still we only have enough funding to help maybe one in ten of the donors who

help maybe one in ten of the donors who

help maybe one in ten of the donors who come to us for assistance an important

come to us for assistance an important

come to us for assistance an important measure of success for any transplant

measure of success for any transplant

measure of success for any transplant policy is a number of organs made

policy is a number of organs made

policy is a number of organs made available for transplant but when you’re

available for transplant but when you’re

available for transplant but when you’re talking about living organ donors you

talking about living organ donors you

talking about living organ donors you must also consider the donors and their

must also consider the donors and their

must also consider the donors and their well-being three years ago I did a TED

well-being three years ago I did a TED

well-being three years ago I did a TED med talk on paid kidney donation in Iran

med talk on paid kidney donation in Iran

med talk on paid kidney donation in Iran I went to Iran because Iran was the only

I went to Iran because Iran was the only

I went to Iran because Iran was the only country in the world claiming to have

country in the world claiming to have

country in the world claiming to have solved its kidney shortage remember how

solved its kidney shortage remember how

solved its kidney shortage remember how in the u.s. almost one person is dying

in the u.s. almost one person is dying

in the u.s. almost one person is dying every hour

every hour

every hour well Iran claimed that it had no waiting

well Iran claimed that it had no waiting

well Iran claimed that it had no waiting list and no one dying so I went to Iran

list and no one dying so I went to Iran

list and no one dying so I went to Iran but unfortunately I found a lot of

but unfortunately I found a lot of

but unfortunately I found a lot of unhappy kidney donors but in one city

unhappy kidney donors but in one city

unhappy kidney donors but in one city Isfahan the donors seemed to be happier

Isfahan the donors seemed to be happier

Isfahan the donors seemed to be happier than elsewhere in Isfahan

than elsewhere in Isfahan

than elsewhere in Isfahan donors received extra health insurance

donors received extra health insurance

donors received extra health insurance job services non interest loans and

job services non interest loans and

job services non interest loans and other donation related benefits so I

other donation related benefits so I

other donation related benefits so I ended my TEDMED by saying we need to

ended my TEDMED by saying we need to

ended my TEDMED by saying we need to take a closer look at places like

take a closer look at places like

take a closer look at places like Isfahan where the Iranian system seems

Isfahan where the Iranian system seems

Isfahan where the Iranian system seems to be working for donors and try to

to be working for donors and try to

to be working for donors and try to parse the good from the bad after my

parse the good from the bad after my

parse the good from the bad after my TEDMED Mike Mittleman and I started the

TEDMED Mike Mittleman and I started the

TEDMED Mike Mittleman and I started the American living organ donor fund and as

American living organ donor fund and as

American living organ donor fund and as I got to know us organ donors

I got to know us organ donors

I got to know us organ donors better I started to argue that we need

better I started to argue that we need

better I started to argue that we need to do right by these good people whether

to do right by these good people whether

to do right by these good people whether it increases the number of organs for

it increases the number of organs for

it increases the number of organs for transplants or not it’s simply wrong to

transplants or not it’s simply wrong to

transplants or not it’s simply wrong to abandon living organ donors when things

abandon living organ donors when things

abandon living organ donors when things go wrong because of their organ donation

go wrong because of their organ donation

go wrong because of their organ donation now imagine my excitement when I learned

now imagine my excitement when I learned

now imagine my excitement when I learned that the Netherlands is now

that the Netherlands is now

that the Netherlands is now outperforming Iran in its living organ

outperforming Iran in its living organ

outperforming Iran in its living organ donor program by doing exactly what US

donor program by doing exactly what US

donor program by doing exactly what US organ donors have been telling me they

organ donors have been telling me they

organ donors have been telling me they need if the organ recipients insurance

need if the organ recipients insurance

need if the organ recipients insurance doesn’t pay the donors has to donors are

doesn’t pay the donors has to donors are

doesn’t pay the donors has to donors are guaranteed their jobs back now remember

guaranteed their jobs back now remember

guaranteed their jobs back now remember these are all things that don’t exist in

these are all things that don’t exist in

these are all things that don’t exist in the United States okay so donors are

the United States okay so donors are

the United States okay so donors are guaranteed their jobs back donors get

guaranteed their jobs back donors get

guaranteed their jobs back donors get paid leave as much as they need and

paid leave as much as they need and

paid leave as much as they need and there is a government program that helps

there is a government program that helps

there is a government program that helps with donation related expenses like

with donation related expenses like

with donation related expenses like travel babysitting and even extra

travel babysitting and even extra

travel babysitting and even extra psychological counseling so now I say

psychological counseling so now I say

psychological counseling so now I say forget Iran how can we be more like the

forget Iran how can we be more like the

forget Iran how can we be more like the Netherlands well we can start by passing

Netherlands well we can start by passing

Netherlands well we can start by passing a law that prohibits insurance companies

a law that prohibits insurance companies

a law that prohibits insurance companies from treating living organ donation as

from treating living organ donation as

from treating living organ donation as elective surgery that way if an organ

elective surgery that way if an organ

elective surgery that way if an organ recipients insurance doesn’t pay the

recipients insurance doesn’t pay the

recipients insurance doesn’t pay the donors will have to another option would

donors will have to another option would

donors will have to another option would be to find a private insurance product

be to find a private insurance product

be to find a private insurance product that protects living organ donors when

that protects living organ donors when

that protects living organ donors when things don’t go as expected there are a

things don’t go as expected there are a

things don’t go as expected there are a few policies out there intended for

few policies out there intended for

few policies out there intended for living organ donors but unfortunately

living organ donors but unfortunately

living organ donors but unfortunately they are all woefully inadequate that

they are all woefully inadequate that

they are all woefully inadequate that doesn’t mean some enterprising company

doesn’t mean some enterprising company

doesn’t mean some enterprising company couldn’t come up with a worthwhile

couldn’t come up with a worthwhile

couldn’t come up with a worthwhile product it just means one doesn’t exist

product it just means one doesn’t exist

product it just means one doesn’t exist yet third we could put all living organ

yet third we could put all living organ

yet third we could put all living organ donors on Medicare this isn’t as

donors on Medicare this isn’t as

donors on Medicare this isn’t as far-fetched as it may seem

far-fetched as it may seem

far-fetched as it may seem Medicare is already pay

Medicare is already pay

Medicare is already pay mean for most donation surgeries and

mean for most donation surgeries and

mean for most donation surgeries and donor complications because the people

donor complications because the people

donor complications because the people getting the organs are on Medicare so if

getting the organs are on Medicare so if

getting the organs are on Medicare so if Medicare covered all of the donors

Medicare covered all of the donors

Medicare covered all of the donors healthcare instead of just the donation

healthcare instead of just the donation

healthcare instead of just the donation related medical expenses that would be

related medical expenses that would be

related medical expenses that would be one way to avoid the is this covered

one way to avoid the is this covered

one way to avoid the is this covered problem if we put donors on Medicare for

problem if we put donors on Medicare for

problem if we put donors on Medicare for one or two years that would be like Iran

one or two years that would be like Iran

one or two years that would be like Iran if we put them on Medicare for life that

if we put them on Medicare for life that

if we put them on Medicare for life that would be like the Netherlands since

would be like the Netherlands since

would be like the Netherlands since living organ donation has both potential

living organ donation has both potential

living organ donation has both potential short-term and potential long-term

short-term and potential long-term

short-term and potential long-term complications it would provide more

complications it would provide more

complications it would provide more security for living organ donors if they

security for living organ donors if they

security for living organ donors if they received healthcare for life

received healthcare for life

received healthcare for life finally we could create a federal fund

finally we could create a federal fund

finally we could create a federal fund that helps with medical expenses we have

that helps with medical expenses we have

that helps with medical expenses we have such a fund for people who suffer from

such a fund for people who suffer from

such a fund for people who suffer from vaccine complications we could do the

vaccine complications we could do the

vaccine complications we could do the same kind of thing for living organ

same kind of thing for living organ

same kind of thing for living organ donors but whatever we do whether the

donors but whatever we do whether the

donors but whatever we do whether the solution is a combination of these ideas

solution is a combination of these ideas

solution is a combination of these ideas or something different we need to

or something different we need to

or something different we need to acknowledge that the current system is

acknowledge that the current system is

acknowledge that the current system is broken we need to stop denying that

broken we need to stop denying that

broken we need to stop denying that things aren’t going well for living

things aren’t going well for living

things aren’t going well for living organ donors and start focusing on

organ donors and start focusing on

organ donors and start focusing on fixing the situation as the Netherlands

fixing the situation as the Netherlands

fixing the situation as the Netherlands has shown we don’t need to entice

has shown we don’t need to entice

has shown we don’t need to entice Americans to donate to solve our organ

Americans to donate to solve our organ

Americans to donate to solve our organ shortage we just need to treat them

shortage we just need to treat them

shortage we just need to treat them fairly

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