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Lessons from Listening to Horses | Lucinda Vette | TEDxOshkosh


I’m passionate about horses but it’s not

I’m passionate about horses but it’s not just horses it’s this magical

just horses it’s this magical

just horses it’s this magical intersection of horses and humans and

intersection of horses and humans and

intersection of horses and humans and the transformation that occurs for

the transformation that occurs for

the transformation that occurs for people when they learn to listen to

people when they learn to listen to

people when they learn to listen to horses and they realize a shift

horses and they realize a shift

horses and they realize a shift listening to horses about is about

listening to horses about is about

listening to horses about is about hearing themselves more deeply this is

hearing themselves more deeply this is

hearing themselves more deeply this is my partner in this work Cimarron and

my partner in this work Cimarron and

my partner in this work Cimarron and this partnership between horses and

this partnership between horses and

this partnership between horses and humans is nothing new when horses were

humans is nothing new when horses were

humans is nothing new when horses were domesticated 6000 years ago it began a

domesticated 6000 years ago it began a

domesticated 6000 years ago it began a relationship that changed the world for

relationship that changed the world for

relationship that changed the world for people it transform the way we produce

people it transform the way we produce

people it transform the way we produce food the way we fight our Wars and it

food the way we fight our Wars and it

food the way we fight our Wars and it allowed us to unite with distant tribes

allowed us to unite with distant tribes

allowed us to unite with distant tribes and distant cultures and languages

and distant cultures and languages

and distant cultures and languages across lands now ancient horse cultures

across lands now ancient horse cultures

across lands now ancient horse cultures people that lived close to nature also

people that lived close to nature also

people that lived close to nature also lived interdependently with their horses

lived interdependently with their horses

lived interdependently with their horses the horses weren’t just prized for their

the horses weren’t just prized for their

the horses weren’t just prized for their physical attributes they were seen as

physical attributes they were seen as

physical attributes they were seen as spiritual beings almost with a divine

spiritual beings almost with a divine

spiritual beings almost with a divine ability to connect humans to another way

ability to connect humans to another way

ability to connect humans to another way of seeing the world in ancient Greece

of seeing the world in ancient Greece

of seeing the world in ancient Greece the horse was believed to be able to

the horse was believed to be able to

the horse was believed to be able to transport the human soul between realms

transport the human soul between realms

transport the human soul between realms and in ancient Tibet the wind horse was

and in ancient Tibet the wind horse was

and in ancient Tibet the wind horse was an allegory for the human soul and in

an allegory for the human soul and in

an allegory for the human soul and in Mongolia the wild horse called the taki

Mongolia the wild horse called the taki

Mongolia the wild horse called the taki it was also the name for spirit now as

it was also the name for spirit now as

it was also the name for spirit now as we modernized and mechanized and

we modernized and mechanized and

we modernized and mechanized and industrialized our lives we started

industrialized our lives we started

industrialized our lives we started thinking more than feeling and the horse

thinking more than feeling and the horse

thinking more than feeling and the horse became more of a living machine or a

became more of a living machine or a

became more of a living machine or a tool but a new role is emerging for the

tool but a new role is emerging for the

tool but a new role is emerging for the horse at a time when we’ve dominated

horse at a time when we’ve dominated

horse at a time when we’ve dominated nature and dominated everything we can

nature and dominated everything we can

nature and dominated everything we can with our amazing power to think the

with our amazing power to think the

with our amazing power to think the horse has a role as a teacher to help us

horse has a role as a teacher to help us

horse has a role as a teacher to help us reconnect with how to feel and have a

reconnect with how to feel and have a

reconnect with how to feel and have a direct experience of the world

now my relationship with Cimarron

now my relationship with Cimarron Illustrated for me this new evolving

Illustrated for me this new evolving

Illustrated for me this new evolving role of the horse and human bond and to

role of the horse and human bond and to

role of the horse and human bond and to understand this it helps to know a

understand this it helps to know a

understand this it helps to know a little bit about Simran’s backstory

little bit about Simran’s backstory

little bit about Simran’s backstory Cimarron was a former drug running horse

Cimarron was a former drug running horse

Cimarron was a former drug running horse used to transport illegal drugs from

used to transport illegal drugs from

used to transport illegal drugs from Mexico into Arizona and to do this to

Mexico into Arizona and to do this to

Mexico into Arizona and to do this to make the horses do this they use any

make the horses do this they use any

make the horses do this they use any violent means necessary

violent means necessary

violent means necessary and so Cimarron has deep scars on all

and so Cimarron has deep scars on all

and so Cimarron has deep scars on all his legs from a rope burns where they

his legs from a rope burns where they

his legs from a rope burns where they would have tied his legs together or

would have tied his legs together or

would have tied his legs together or tied a leg up to his body or possibly

tied a leg up to his body or possibly

tied a leg up to his body or possibly tied his head to a leg he has scar

tied his head to a leg he has scar

tied his head to a leg he has scar tissue on his nose as well and they do

tissue on his nose as well and they do

tissue on his nose as well and they do this to immobilize the horses so they

this to immobilize the horses so they

this to immobilize the horses so they can’t run and when they can’t run they

can’t run and when they can’t run they

can’t run and when they can’t run they can do whatever they want to these

can do whatever they want to these

can do whatever they want to these horses and they become helpless and when

horses and they become helpless and when

horses and they become helpless and when they’re helpless they become compliant

they’re helpless they become compliant

they’re helpless they become compliant and once these horses are compliant they

and once these horses are compliant they

and once these horses are compliant they load them up with drugs and they deprive

load them up with drugs and they deprive

load them up with drugs and they deprive them of water and they send them out

them of water and they send them out

them of water and they send them out into the desert and the horses go they

into the desert and the horses go they

into the desert and the horses go they go in search of water and then once

go in search of water and then once

go in search of water and then once they’re deep enough into Arizona

they’re deep enough into Arizona

they’re deep enough into Arizona somebody catches the horse they unload

somebody catches the horse they unload

somebody catches the horse they unload the drugs and they leave them to die in

the drugs and they leave them to die in

the drugs and they leave them to die in the desert

the desert

the desert Cimarron was picked up by Border Patrol

Cimarron was picked up by Border Patrol

Cimarron was picked up by Border Patrol agents and turned over to a horse rescue

agents and turned over to a horse rescue

agents and turned over to a horse rescue but by this time I imagine he was

but by this time I imagine he was

but by this time I imagine he was finished with listening to humans and

finished with listening to humans and

finished with listening to humans and submitting to humans and he refused to

submitting to humans and he refused to

submitting to humans and he refused to allow anyone to on his back and they

allow anyone to on his back and they

allow anyone to on his back and they kept trying to ride him and eventually

kept trying to ride him and eventually

kept trying to ride him and eventually someone was seriously injured and

someone was seriously injured and

someone was seriously injured and Cimarron was labeled as dangerous and so

Cimarron was labeled as dangerous and so

Cimarron was labeled as dangerous and so these people who are supposed to be

these people who are supposed to be

these people who are supposed to be rescuing him now called him dangerous

rescuing him now called him dangerous

rescuing him now called him dangerous and an unridable horse and a dangerous

and an unridable horse and a dangerous

and an unridable horse and a dangerous horse is a worthless horse to most

horse is a worthless horse to most

horse is a worthless horse to most people but a woman and Cimarron was

people but a woman and Cimarron was

people but a woman and Cimarron was going to be euthanized and a woman named

going to be euthanized and a woman named

going to be euthanized and a woman named Linda Kohana heard his story and she

Linda Kohana heard his story and she

Linda Kohana heard his story and she agreed to take Cimarron in order to save

agreed to take Cimarron in order to save

agreed to take Cimarron in order to save his life now Linda is a pioneer in this

his life now Linda is a pioneer in this

his life now Linda is a pioneer in this field of people learning from horses

field of people learning from horses

field of people learning from horses and when I moved to Arizona to study

and when I moved to Arizona to study

and when I moved to Arizona to study with Linda that’s when I met Simran and

with Linda that’s when I met Simran and

with Linda that’s when I met Simran and eventually it became part of my job to

eventually it became part of my job to

eventually it became part of my job to work with Simran and to train him I had

work with Simran and to train him I had

work with Simran and to train him I had no idea at the time that this horse

no idea at the time that this horse

no idea at the time that this horse would become my horse and that he would

would become my horse and that he would

would become my horse and that he would change the way I see the world now I

change the way I see the world now I

change the way I see the world now I have over 40 years of experience with

have over 40 years of experience with

have over 40 years of experience with horses and I had no reason to believe

horses and I had no reason to believe

horses and I had no reason to believe that all my techniques and my methods

that all my techniques and my methods

that all my techniques and my methods wouldn’t be enough to help Simran

wouldn’t be enough to help Simran

wouldn’t be enough to help Simran but I was in for a little bit of a

but I was in for a little bit of a

but I was in for a little bit of a surprise the first thing I had to learn

surprise the first thing I had to learn

surprise the first thing I had to learn was Cimarron was how to protect myself

was Cimarron was how to protect myself

was Cimarron was how to protect myself without becoming violent or angry in

without becoming violent or angry in

without becoming violent or angry in response Cimarron in extreme moments

response Cimarron in extreme moments

response Cimarron in extreme moments would attack me with his teeth bared or

would attack me with his teeth bared or

would attack me with his teeth bared or he would rear up on his hind legs and

he would rear up on his hind legs and

he would rear up on his hind legs and come at me with his front legs flailing

come at me with his front legs flailing

come at me with his front legs flailing at the level of my face and if I became

at the level of my face and if I became

at the level of my face and if I became violent or angry in response he would

violent or angry in response he would

violent or angry in response he would get worse and so over time when I

get worse and so over time when I

get worse and so over time when I learned how to protect myself and remain

learned how to protect myself and remain

learned how to protect myself and remain calm and remain connected to him he

calm and remain connected to him he

calm and remain connected to him he realized I wasn’t gonna hurt him and his

realized I wasn’t gonna hurt him and his

realized I wasn’t gonna hurt him and his worst behaviors his most aggressive

worst behaviors his most aggressive

worst behaviors his most aggressive behaviors disappeared but he wouldn’t

behaviors disappeared but he wouldn’t

behaviors disappeared but he wouldn’t stop with certain things he would always

stop with certain things he would always

stop with certain things he would always try to bite me or randomly try to strike

try to bite me or randomly try to strike

try to bite me or randomly try to strike out with a front leg and other people

out with a front leg and other people

out with a front leg and other people were afraid to work with him and so I

were afraid to work with him and so I

were afraid to work with him and so I wasn’t afraid of Cimarron but I was

wasn’t afraid of Cimarron but I was

wasn’t afraid of Cimarron but I was afraid for him at this point because I

afraid for him at this point because I

afraid for him at this point because I knew this type of horse and the wrong

knew this type of horse and the wrong

knew this type of horse and the wrong hands would again become abused or he

hands would again become abused or he

hands would again become abused or he might hurt someone but after a year of

might hurt someone but after a year of

might hurt someone but after a year of doing everything I knew to do every

doing everything I knew to do every

doing everything I knew to do every training technique every method that I

training technique every method that I

training technique every method that I had from some of the world’s top

had from some of the world’s top

had from some of the world’s top horseback riders I couldn’t change these

horseback riders I couldn’t change these

horseback riders I couldn’t change these behaviors and so I finally figured out

behaviors and so I finally figured out

behaviors and so I finally figured out to do what I teach people to do which is

to do what I teach people to do which is

to do what I teach people to do which is stop thinking so much like a human and

stop thinking so much like a human and

stop thinking so much like a human and start feeling like a horse and when I

start feeling like a horse and when I

start feeling like a horse and when I did this when I stepped back and stopped

did this when I stepped back and stopped

did this when I stepped back and stopped listening to all the thoughts and plans

listening to all the thoughts and plans

listening to all the thoughts and plans in my head and I just felt the

in my head and I just felt the

in my head and I just felt the sensations in my bodies and the emotions

sensations in my bodies and the emotions

sensations in my bodies and the emotions I was feeling in this space an idea

I was feeling in this space an idea

I was feeling in this space an idea popped up and the idea was simply to

popped up and the idea was simply to

popped up and the idea was simply to take some run with me when I rode an

take some run with me when I rode an

take some run with me when I rode an they’re horse now this made no logical

they’re horse now this made no logical

they’re horse now this made no logical sense but at this point I just went for

sense but at this point I just went for

sense but at this point I just went for it

it

it and the first day I took some run out I

and the first day I took some run out I

and the first day I took some run out I was leading him while I was on another

was leading him while I was on another

was leading him while I was on another horse and I took his halter off and

horse and I took his halter off and

horse and I took his halter off and Cimarron took off into the open desert

Cimarron took off into the open desert

Cimarron took off into the open desert and I sat there on my horse watching him

and I sat there on my horse watching him

and I sat there on my horse watching him go and my brain started buzzing and

go and my brain started buzzing and

go and my brain started buzzing and trying to figure out well what am I

trying to figure out well what am I

trying to figure out well what am I gonna do how can I stop them I don’t

gonna do how can I stop them I don’t

gonna do how can I stop them I don’t know how to rope a horse I mean what’s

know how to rope a horse I mean what’s

know how to rope a horse I mean what’s gonna happen but then I noticed my body

gonna happen but then I noticed my body

gonna happen but then I noticed my body was really calm so I decided to focus on

was really calm so I decided to focus on

was really calm so I decided to focus on my body and my body told me to be

my body and my body told me to be

my body and my body told me to be present just be a source of confidence

present just be a source of confidence

present just be a source of confidence for Cimarron

for Cimarron

for Cimarron and pretty soon as I sat there this

and pretty soon as I sat there this

and pretty soon as I sat there this brown horse came galloping back and he

brown horse came galloping back and he

brown horse came galloping back and he slid to a stop in front of me in this

slid to a stop in front of me in this

slid to a stop in front of me in this other horse but he wasn’t threatening

other horse but he wasn’t threatening

other horse but he wasn’t threatening and he wasn’t angry this is the first

and he wasn’t angry this is the first

and he wasn’t angry this is the first time I had seen Cimarron look like a fun

time I had seen Cimarron look like a fun

time I had seen Cimarron look like a fun happy relaxed horse and then he took off

happy relaxed horse and then he took off

happy relaxed horse and then he took off again and this time I wasn’t worried he

again and this time I wasn’t worried he

again and this time I wasn’t worried he left and I stayed calm and I just

left and I stayed calm and I just

left and I stayed calm and I just started riding a kind of following after

started riding a kind of following after

started riding a kind of following after him and then he came back and he checked

him and then he came back and he checked

him and then he came back and he checked in again and this kept happening and so

in again and this kept happening and so

in again and this kept happening and so I started playing with this and when

I started playing with this and when

I started playing with this and when Cimarron would take off I would go the

Cimarron would take off I would go the

Cimarron would take off I would go the other direction and I’d kind of whistle

other direction and I’d kind of whistle

other direction and I’d kind of whistle and then stim where would come running

and then stim where would come running

and then stim where would come running back and he’d run past us and I realized

back and he’d run past us and I realized

back and he’d run past us and I realized that even though he was ahead with me

that even though he was ahead with me

that even though he was ahead with me most of the time he was actually

most of the time he was actually

most of the time he was actually following me for the first time and so I

following me for the first time and so I

following me for the first time and so I kind of realized that I was leading him

kind of realized that I was leading him

kind of realized that I was leading him from the back of the herd and because he

from the back of the herd and because he

from the back of the herd and because he was willing because he wanted to be with

was willing because he wanted to be with

was willing because he wanted to be with me I could go wherever I wanted and

me I could go wherever I wanted and

me I could go wherever I wanted and similar I would go with me and now I

similar I would go with me and now I

similar I would go with me and now I wanted to recreate this on the ground

wanted to recreate this on the ground

wanted to recreate this on the ground and my brain was telling me well the

and my brain was telling me well the

and my brain was telling me well the only reason this is happening is because

only reason this is happening is because

only reason this is happening is because you’re on with this other horse so I

you’re on with this other horse so I

you’re on with this other horse so I didn’t wait a year this time I went

didn’t wait a year this time I went

didn’t wait a year this time I went right into my body and I imagined what

right into my body and I imagined what

right into my body and I imagined what it was like when I was working with

it was like when I was working with

it was like when I was working with Cimarron on the ground

Cimarron on the ground

Cimarron on the ground and I could feel it I could feel the

and I could feel it I could feel the

and I could feel it I could feel the pressure in my chest it was like

pressure in my chest it was like

pressure in my chest it was like something when I was on the ground

something when I was on the ground

something when I was on the ground working with him when he was

working with him when he was

working with him when he was fighting against me I felt this pressure

fighting against me I felt this pressure

fighting against me I felt this pressure in my body and then when I thought about

in my body and then when I thought about

in my body and then when I thought about what it was like on the horse when I

what it was like on the horse when I

what it was like on the horse when I felt what it was like with him on the

felt what it was like with him on the

felt what it was like with him on the horse it was free and my body was

horse it was free and my body was

horse it was free and my body was relaxed and I felt like my heart was

relaxed and I felt like my heart was

relaxed and I felt like my heart was actually connected It was as if my body

actually connected It was as if my body

actually connected It was as if my body knew where he was and my body had some

knew where he was and my body had some

knew where he was and my body had some understanding that it was okay and when

understanding that it was okay and when

understanding that it was okay and when I thought about that when I went back to

I thought about that when I went back to

I thought about that when I went back to my thinking brain I thought oh my gosh

my thinking brain I thought oh my gosh

my thinking brain I thought oh my gosh I’m actually in a very subtle way

I’m actually in a very subtle way

I’m actually in a very subtle way dominating this horse on the ground

dominating this horse on the ground

dominating this horse on the ground because I’m relying on ropes and whips

because I’m relying on ropes and whips

because I’m relying on ropes and whips and fences and I know that I can make

and fences and I know that I can make

and fences and I know that I can make him do what I want to do and that subtle

him do what I want to do and that subtle

him do what I want to do and that subtle dominance works with many horses but

dominance works with many horses but

dominance works with many horses but with a horse like Cimarron he resisted

with a horse like Cimarron he resisted

with a horse like Cimarron he resisted and his resistance was biting and

and his resistance was biting and

and his resistance was biting and striking out at me and so this

striking out at me and so this

striking out at me and so this completely shifted this realization that

completely shifted this realization that

completely shifted this realization that I had when I when I went back and forth

I had when I when I went back and forth

I had when I when I went back and forth between sinking and feeling gave me this

between sinking and feeling gave me this

between sinking and feeling gave me this new innovative idea of in this and this

new innovative idea of in this and this

new innovative idea of in this and this new understanding that I wasn’t aware of

new understanding that I wasn’t aware of

new understanding that I wasn’t aware of of how to work with him and so this

of how to work with him and so this

of how to work with him and so this leading from the back of the herd became

leading from the back of the herd became

leading from the back of the herd became something I did with all my horses and

something I did with all my horses and

something I did with all my horses and with people instead of assuming that

with people instead of assuming that

with people instead of assuming that because I’m a human or because of a

because I’m a human or because of a

because I’m a human or because of a label or a title or educational agrees I

label or a title or educational agrees I

label or a title or educational agrees I have that I have authority over others I

have that I have authority over others I

have that I have authority over others I started connecting with people I started

started connecting with people I started

started connecting with people I started using my body to give me information

using my body to give me information

using my body to give me information about what that person needed in order

about what that person needed in order

about what that person needed in order to willingly follow me or what that

to willingly follow me or what that

to willingly follow me or what that horse needed in order to willingly

horse needed in order to willingly

horse needed in order to willingly follow me and I realized that when I

follow me and I realized that when I

follow me and I realized that when I changed that allowed Cimarron to

changed that allowed Cimarron to

changed that allowed Cimarron to transform and the only way I could

transform and the only way I could

transform and the only way I could realize what I needed to do to change

realize what I needed to do to change

realize what I needed to do to change was to access the information from my

was to access the information from my

was to access the information from my body and from my emotions and I guess it

body and from my emotions and I guess it

body and from my emotions and I guess it was intuition and so this is a nice

was intuition and so this is a nice

was intuition and so this is a nice story about Cimarron but it’s really

story about Cimarron but it’s really

story about Cimarron but it’s really about learning to listen to horses in

about learning to listen to horses in

about learning to listen to horses in order to access other ways of knowing

order to access other ways of knowing

order to access other ways of knowing and horses are so amazing for this

and horses are so amazing for this

and horses are so amazing for this because this is how they live the access

because this is how they live the access

because this is how they live the access the world with a direct experience of

the world with a direct experience of

the world with a direct experience of what is happening in their bodies they

what is happening in their bodies they

what is happening in their bodies they feel it and they react and they’re so

feel it and they react and they’re so

feel it and they react and they’re so sensitive a horse can feel the intention

sensitive a horse can feel the intention

sensitive a horse can feel the intention of a predator that’s going to attack

of a predator that’s going to attack

of a predator that’s going to attack them versus a predator that’s just

them versus a predator that’s just

them versus a predator that’s just passing by and this allows them to save

passing by and this allows them to save

passing by and this allows them to save their energy for true emergencies and so

their energy for true emergencies and so

their energy for true emergencies and so when we listen to the horses we

when we listen to the horses we

when we listen to the horses we understand that they’re responding to

understand that they’re responding to

understand that they’re responding to something in us and then we can

something in us and then we can

something in us and then we can understand what it is in us and we can

understand what it is in us and we can

understand what it is in us and we can shift it and the really amazing thing is

shift it and the really amazing thing is

shift it and the really amazing thing is that we have this ability to understand

that we have this ability to understand

that we have this ability to understand the world the way horses do but we have

the world the way horses do but we have

the world the way horses do but we have to learn how to back away from our

to learn how to back away from our

to learn how to back away from our thinking and our thoughts and a great

thinking and our thoughts and a great

thinking and our thoughts and a great way to do that is to spend time with

way to do that is to spend time with

way to do that is to spend time with horses and let them teach us how and

horses and let them teach us how and

horses and let them teach us how and then we can learn to integrate this

then we can learn to integrate this

then we can learn to integrate this amazing intellect we have with this

amazing intellect we have with this

amazing intellect we have with this amazing ability to be aware and

amazing ability to be aware and

amazing ability to be aware and innovative enough insights that comes

innovative enough insights that comes

innovative enough insights that comes from our bodies our emotion and our

from our bodies our emotion and our

from our bodies our emotion and our intuition now many people can use this

intuition now many people can use this

intuition now many people can use this you don’t have to be a horse person he

you don’t have to be a horse person he

you don’t have to be a horse person he doesn’t have to be with a horse and I

doesn’t have to be with a horse and I

doesn’t have to be with a horse and I want to share as I’m wrapping up I want

want to share as I’m wrapping up I want

want to share as I’m wrapping up I want to share with you some examples of

to share with you some examples of

to share with you some examples of people real-life people who have had

people real-life people who have had

people real-life people who have had experience with the horses and what has

experience with the horses and what has

experience with the horses and what has taught them and the first one I want to

taught them and the first one I want to

taught them and the first one I want to tell you about is was a lawyer I’ll call

tell you about is was a lawyer I’ll call

tell you about is was a lawyer I’ll call him Peter he came to a leadership

him Peter he came to a leadership

him Peter he came to a leadership workshop and Peter was having trouble

workshop and Peter was having trouble

workshop and Peter was having trouble with his staff they were kind of

with his staff they were kind of

with his staff they were kind of rebelling against him by not doing their

rebelling against him by not doing their

rebelling against him by not doing their jobs and there was a lot of fighting and

jobs and there was a lot of fighting and

jobs and there was a lot of fighting and when I gave Peter a goal to accomplish

when I gave Peter a goal to accomplish

when I gave Peter a goal to accomplish as a horse Peter immediately went in and

as a horse Peter immediately went in and

as a horse Peter immediately went in and started like badgering this horse and

started like badgering this horse and

started like badgering this horse and pushing this horse and not even noticing

pushing this horse and not even noticing

pushing this horse and not even noticing that the horse was putting his ears back

that the horse was putting his ears back

that the horse was putting his ears back in anger and swishing his tail which is

in anger and swishing his tail which is

in anger and swishing his tail which is a sign of being mad and then when the

a sign of being mad and then when the

a sign of being mad and then when the horse did start doing it Peter just kept

horse did start doing it Peter just kept

horse did start doing it Peter just kept using the whip and telling him to go and

using the whip and telling him to go and

using the whip and telling him to go and go and the horse just basically there

go and the horse just basically there

go and the horse just basically there was a mutiny and refused to do it and

was a mutiny and refused to do it and

was a mutiny and refused to do it and and Peter didn’t understand he didn’t

and Peter didn’t understand he didn’t

and Peter didn’t understand he didn’t know what he was doing and so then I

know what he was doing and so then I

know what he was doing and so then I gave him another experience and this

gave him another experience and this

gave him another experience and this time I coached him on using his body to

time I coached him on using his body to

time I coached him on using his body to understand how close to be with the

understand how close to be with the

understand how close to be with the horse and in gently asking the horse and

horse and in gently asking the horse and

horse and in gently asking the horse and canoe

canoe

canoe staying with the horse before you

staying with the horse before you

staying with the horse before you started doing something and then backing

started doing something and then backing

started doing something and then backing off and not micromanaging this horse

off and not micromanaging this horse

off and not micromanaging this horse that actually knew how to do this job

that actually knew how to do this job

that actually knew how to do this job better than Peter did and when he did

better than Peter did and when he did

better than Peter did and when he did this the horse cooperated and he did it

this the horse cooperated and he did it

this the horse cooperated and he did it beautifully and then Peter had he didn’t

beautifully and then Peter had he didn’t

beautifully and then Peter had he didn’t under he’s didn’t understand it so he

under he’s didn’t understand it so he

under he’s didn’t understand it so he had to go into his body and he had to

had to go into his body and he had to

had to go into his body and he had to turn off his brain and really think and

turn off his brain and really think and

turn off his brain and really think and what came up for him was that he

what came up for him was that he

what came up for him was that he expected people to not do what he was

expected people to not do what he was

expected people to not do what he was asking them to do this is how he started

asking them to do this is how he started

asking them to do this is how he started every request or demand was that he

every request or demand was that he

every request or demand was that he assumed people were not going to do it

assumed people were not going to do it

assumed people were not going to do it and so he came on strong and so with

and so he came on strong and so with

and so he came on strong and so with this insight Peter actually went back

this insight Peter actually went back

this insight Peter actually went back and you’re not gonna believe this but he

and you’re not gonna believe this but he

and you’re not gonna believe this but he actually instituted a group meditation

actually instituted a group meditation

actually instituted a group meditation before any staff meetings and he was so

before any staff meetings and he was so

before any staff meetings and he was so excited about connecting with your body

excited about connecting with your body

excited about connecting with your body that he instituted this in his law firm

that he instituted this in his law firm

that he instituted this in his law firm and it completely changed the way they

and it completely changed the way they

and it completely changed the way they do things and the other example I want

do things and the other example I want

do things and the other example I want to share as a young woman named Chelsea

to share as a young woman named Chelsea

to share as a young woman named Chelsea and Chelsea was a CEO of a company kind

and Chelsea was a CEO of a company kind

and Chelsea was a CEO of a company kind of a meteoric rise to success and she

of a meteoric rise to success and she

of a meteoric rise to success and she came to work with me because she was

came to work with me because she was

came to work with me because she was gonna quit her job she wanted to quit

gonna quit her job she wanted to quit

gonna quit her job she wanted to quit her job she was very unhappy in it and

Chelsea and she was just there to figure

Chelsea and she was just there to figure out what she wanted to do next and

out what she wanted to do next and

out what she wanted to do next and Chelsea in an experience with Simran

Chelsea in an experience with Simran

Chelsea in an experience with Simran went into the arena with him and she was

went into the arena with him and she was

went into the arena with him and she was silent for a moment and then she started

silent for a moment and then she started

silent for a moment and then she started moving in a very graceful it looked like

moving in a very graceful it looked like

moving in a very graceful it looked like a dance and I immediately was concerned

a dance and I immediately was concerned

a dance and I immediately was concerned because I’m thinking oh my gosh you

because I’m thinking oh my gosh you

because I’m thinking oh my gosh you can’t do this with Simran he was gonna

can’t do this with Simran he was gonna

can’t do this with Simran he was gonna like attack you or do something but no

like attack you or do something but no

like attack you or do something but no Simran he picked himself up if you’ve

Simran he picked himself up if you’ve

Simran he picked himself up if you’ve ever seen like a bullfighter or a tango

ever seen like a bullfighter or a tango

ever seen like a bullfighter or a tango dancer he looked like a dancer and he

dancer he looked like a dancer and he

dancer he looked like a dancer and he trotted after Chelsea and he embraced

trotted after Chelsea and he embraced

trotted after Chelsea and he embraced her body with his body and they moved

her body with his body and they moved

her body with his body and they moved together like this he was moving

together like this he was moving

together like this he was moving partially forward and partially sideways

partially forward and partially sideways

partially forward and partially sideways embracing her body around the arena in a

embracing her body around the arena in a

embracing her body around the arena in a dance this was nothing he was trained to

dance this was nothing he was trained to

dance this was nothing he was trained to do and at the end of it we were all in

do and at the end of it we were all in

do and at the end of it we were all in tears and Chelsea revealed to us that

tears and Chelsea revealed to us that

tears and Chelsea revealed to us that she had been a day

she had been a day

she had been a day sir in college and this is something she

sir in college and this is something she

sir in college and this is something she loved to do and she realized as she

loved to do and she realized as she

loved to do and she realized as she spent some time with this that she

spent some time with this that she

spent some time with this that she actually didn’t need to quit her job and

actually didn’t need to quit her job and

actually didn’t need to quit her job and she didn’t want to quit her job she just

she didn’t want to quit her job she just

she didn’t want to quit her job she just needed to make time in her life for all

needed to make time in her life for all

needed to make time in her life for all the things she had put aside to be so

the things she had put aside to be so

the things she had put aside to be so successful and so she didn’t quit her

successful and so she didn’t quit her

successful and so she didn’t quit her job she started dancing and and the

job she started dancing and and the

job she started dancing and and the other piece of it was she wanted to make

other piece of it was she wanted to make

other piece of it was she wanted to make room for a relationship and all she had

room for a relationship and all she had

room for a relationship and all she had to do was get out of her head and have

to do was get out of her head and have

to do was get out of her head and have this experience with the horse and her

this experience with the horse and her

this experience with the horse and her body to help remind her now for 6,000

body to help remind her now for 6,000

body to help remind her now for 6,000 years horses in some form or another

years horses in some form or another

years horses in some form or another have been partnering with humans they

have been partnering with humans they

have been partnering with humans they were key they were instrumental to human

were key they were instrumental to human

were key they were instrumental to human progress and now we’re at a time when so

progress and now we’re at a time when so

progress and now we’re at a time when so many things are critical our thinking is

many things are critical our thinking is

many things are critical our thinking is amazing and we’ve created and invented

amazing and we’ve created and invented

amazing and we’ve created and invented incredible things but we’ve become so

incredible things but we’ve become so

incredible things but we’ve become so powerful that our thinking has allowed

powerful that our thinking has allowed

powerful that our thinking has allowed us to dominate everything and now it

us to dominate everything and now it

us to dominate everything and now it seems we need it’s a time we need to

seems we need it’s a time we need to

seems we need it’s a time we need to learn to feel and tune into this other

learn to feel and tune into this other

learn to feel and tune into this other amazing ability we have this ability

amazing ability we have this ability

amazing ability we have this ability that is so natural for horses and they

that is so natural for horses and they

that is so natural for horses and they can share with us and when we do this

can share with us and when we do this

can share with us and when we do this when we learn to integrate our

when we learn to integrate our

when we learn to integrate our intellectual awareness with these other

intellectual awareness with these other

intellectual awareness with these other ways of knowing we connect to ourselves

ways of knowing we connect to ourselves

ways of knowing we connect to ourselves we connect to others we connect to the

we connect to others we connect to the

we connect to others we connect to the ecosystems that we are a part of and we

ecosystems that we are a part of and we

ecosystems that we are a part of and we rely on to live and we can become we can

rely on to live and we can become we can

rely on to live and we can become we can change we can shift in the way that will

change we can shift in the way that will

change we can shift in the way that will create the transformation that we all

create the transformation that we all

create the transformation that we all need we all want to see in the world and

need we all want to see in the world and

need we all want to see in the world and the amazing thing is the horses are just

the amazing thing is the horses are just

the amazing thing is the horses are just there they’re poised they’re ready to

there they’re poised they’re ready to

there they’re poised they’re ready to partner with us we just have to learn to

partner with us we just have to learn to

partner with us we just have to learn to listen thank you

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