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well we’ve all seen conductors tap the

well we’ve all seen conductors tap the music stand like that in TV commercials

music stand like that in TV commercials

music stand like that in TV commercials and movies right but I’ve got a secret

and movies right but I’ve got a secret

and movies right but I’ve got a secret for you almost no conductor ever does

for you almost no conductor ever does

for you almost no conductor ever does that it’s actually very authoritarian

that it’s actually very authoritarian

that it’s actually very authoritarian and it feels kind of disrespectful to

and it feels kind of disrespectful to

and it feels kind of disrespectful to the musicians on stage not to mention

the musicians on stage not to mention

the musicians on stage not to mention that you could break a perfectly good

that you could break a perfectly good

that you could break a perfectly good baton and these things are expensive so

baton and these things are expensive so

baton and these things are expensive so what does a conductor actually do on the

what does a conductor actually do on the

what does a conductor actually do on the podium well making my living as an

podium well making my living as an

podium well making my living as an orchestra conductor for the last 25

orchestra conductor for the last 25

orchestra conductor for the last 25 years or so I’ve learned that my job is

years or so I’ve learned that my job is

years or so I’ve learned that my job is a total mystery to most people does the

a total mystery to most people does the

a total mystery to most people does the conductor even have an effect on the

conductor even have an effect on the

conductor even have an effect on the orchestra sound I mean couldn’t they

orchestra sound I mean couldn’t they

orchestra sound I mean couldn’t they play just fine on their own

play just fine on their own

play just fine on their own well raise your hand if you’ve ever

well raise your hand if you’ve ever

well raise your hand if you’ve ever thought maybe conductors just enjoy

thought maybe conductors just enjoy

thought maybe conductors just enjoy dancing in the middle of the orchestra

dancing in the middle of the orchestra

dancing in the middle of the orchestra okay a few of you well I’ll tell you a

okay a few of you well I’ll tell you a

okay a few of you well I’ll tell you a secret actually we kind of do but

secret actually we kind of do but

secret actually we kind of do but there’s more to it than that

there’s more to it than that

there’s more to it than that in fact at its core what good conductors

in fact at its core what good conductors

in fact at its core what good conductors do on the podium offer valuable insights

do on the podium offer valuable insights

do on the podium offer valuable insights for all of us on how to lead our teams

for all of us on how to lead our teams

for all of us on how to lead our teams more effectively and collaborate better

more effectively and collaborate better

more effectively and collaborate better with others now as much as it pains me

with others now as much as it pains me

with others now as much as it pains me to admit it an orchestra can in fact

to admit it an orchestra can in fact

to admit it an orchestra can in fact play without a conductor in fact there

play without a conductor in fact there

play without a conductor in fact there are quite a few professional orchestras

are quite a few professional orchestras

are quite a few professional orchestras most famously the Orpheus Chamber

most famously the Orpheus Chamber

most famously the Orpheus Chamber Orchestra in New York whose whole brand

Orchestra in New York whose whole brand

Orchestra in New York whose whole brand identity is based around performing

identity is based around performing

identity is based around performing without a conductor and then meanwhile

without a conductor and then meanwhile

without a conductor and then meanwhile at traditional orchestras who almost

at traditional orchestras who almost

at traditional orchestras who almost always play with a conductor lots of the

always play with a conductor lots of the

always play with a conductor lots of the musicians are openly skeptical about how

musicians are openly skeptical about how

musicians are openly skeptical about how much value most conductors have and so

much value most conductors have and so

much value most conductors have and so are they right to be skeptical

are they right to be skeptical

are they right to be skeptical [Music]

well these musicians from Yosa or youth

well these musicians from Yosa or youth orchestras of San Antonio just showed us

orchestras of San Antonio just showed us

orchestras of San Antonio just showed us an orchestra can absolutely play without

an orchestra can absolutely play without

an orchestra can absolutely play without a conductor

a conductor

a conductor they were playing by the way a Rondo

they were playing by the way a Rondo

they were playing by the way a Rondo that the English composer Henry Purcell

that the English composer Henry Purcell

that the English composer Henry Purcell wrote more than three hundred years ago

wrote more than three hundred years ago

wrote more than three hundred years ago so if they can play so well without a

so if they can play so well without a

so if they can play so well without a conductor is there added value in a

conductor is there added value in a

conductor is there added value in a conductor being present well in 2012

conductor being present well in 2012

conductor being present well in 2012 Yanni Salim Ono’s who’s the director of

Yanni Salim Ono’s who’s the director of

Yanni Salim Ono’s who’s the director of the computer vision laboratory at the

the computer vision laboratory at the

the computer vision laboratory at the University of Maryland teamed up with

University of Maryland teamed up with

University of Maryland teamed up with some colleagues to study this very

some colleagues to study this very

some colleagues to study this very question of the conductors value working

question of the conductors value working

question of the conductors value working with an Italian orchestra they placed

with an Italian orchestra they placed

with an Italian orchestra they placed tiny infrared lights in a conductors

tiny infrared lights in a conductors

tiny infrared lights in a conductors baton and on the bows of the musicians

baton and on the bows of the musicians

baton and on the bows of the musicians in the orchestra by surrounding the

in the orchestra by surrounding the

in the orchestra by surrounding the orchestra with infrared cameras they

orchestra with infrared cameras they

orchestra with infrared cameras they were able to capture the patterns in

were able to capture the patterns in

were able to capture the patterns in space created by the movements of these

space created by the movements of these

space created by the movements of these lights so did the conductor actually

lights so did the conductor actually

lights so did the conductor actually lead the musicians thank God yes when

lead the musicians thank God yes when

lead the musicians thank God yes when they crunched the numbers a lemonis and

they crunched the numbers a lemonis and

they crunched the numbers a lemonis and his team found that the conductor’s

his team found that the conductor’s

his team found that the conductor’s movement patterns were in fact

movement patterns were in fact

movement patterns were in fact predicting the movements of the

predicting the movements of the

predicting the movements of the orchestra’s bows and not the other way

orchestra’s bows and not the other way

orchestra’s bows and not the other way around

around

around and an even better news for those of us

and an even better news for those of us

and an even better news for those of us who conduct the scientists also had two

who conduct the scientists also had two

who conduct the scientists also had two different conductors wield the infrared

different conductors wield the infrared

different conductors wield the infrared baton one was an experienced veteran

baton one was an experienced veteran

baton one was an experienced veteran musician and conductor and the other was

musician and conductor and the other was

musician and conductor and the other was an amateur with just a little bit of

an amateur with just a little bit of

an amateur with just a little bit of knowledge of the basics both conductors

knowledge of the basics both conductors

knowledge of the basics both conductors were actually found to be leading the

were actually found to be leading the

were actually found to be leading the musicians but a panel of musical experts

musicians but a panel of musical experts

musicians but a panel of musical experts also listened to both performances

also listened to both performances

also listened to both performances without knowing which was which and they

without knowing which was which and they

without knowing which was which and they decided in this blind test that the

decided in this blind test that the

decided in this blind test that the veteran conductor got better musical

veteran conductor got better musical

veteran conductor got better musical results so score one for a conductor

results so score one for a conductor

results so score one for a conductor actually having a measurable impact on

actually having a measurable impact on

actually having a measurable impact on the sound job security but how do we do

the sound job security but how do we do

the sound job security but how do we do it

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[Music] when I get involved that could go I

when I get involved that could go I

when I get involved that could go I think when I get involved I can go

think when I get involved I can go

think when I get involved I can go overboard and I shaped the sound there

overboard and I shaped the sound there

overboard and I shaped the sound there but it was probably a little too much

but it was probably a little too much

but it was probably a little too much everybody’s taste is different but to me

everybody’s taste is different but to me

everybody’s taste is different but to me that performance distorted the music

that performance distorted the music

that performance distorted the music rather than enhancing it and as leaders

rather than enhancing it and as leaders

rather than enhancing it and as leaders all of us can do this son sometimes all

all of us can do this son sometimes all

all of us can do this son sometimes all of us can go too far

of us can go too far

of us can go too far so the key to doing better is for me to

so the key to doing better is for me to

so the key to doing better is for me to shape the sound without making it all

shape the sound without making it all

shape the sound without making it all about me

so that was better or at least I hope it

so that was better or at least I hope it was so how do I shape the sound and lead

was so how do I shape the sound and lead

was so how do I shape the sound and lead the musicians without getting in the way

the musicians without getting in the way

the musicians without getting in the way well Robert Greenleaf’s classic concept

well Robert Greenleaf’s classic concept

well Robert Greenleaf’s classic concept of servant leadership is a useful lens

of servant leadership is a useful lens

of servant leadership is a useful lens for thinking about this I want to serve

for thinking about this I want to serve

for thinking about this I want to serve the composer’s vision I want to serve

the composer’s vision I want to serve

the composer’s vision I want to serve the musicians and I want to serve the

the musicians and I want to serve the

the musicians and I want to serve the audience so for you you can think of the

audience so for you you can think of the

audience so for you you can think of the composer as your team’s mission or

composer as your team’s mission or

composer as your team’s mission or vision the musicians as your co-workers

vision the musicians as your co-workers

vision the musicians as your co-workers or colleagues and the audience as your

or colleagues and the audience as your

or colleagues and the audience as your customers aspiring to lead should grow

customers aspiring to lead should grow

customers aspiring to lead should grow out of a strong passion for this kind of

out of a strong passion for this kind of

out of a strong passion for this kind of leadership to everybody for this kind of

leadership to everybody for this kind of

leadership to everybody for this kind of commitment leadership and service to

commitment leadership and service to

commitment leadership and service to everybody involved if we lead first

everybody involved if we lead first

everybody involved if we lead first without this commitment to service then

without this commitment to service then

without this commitment to service then the outcomes are almost always forced or

the outcomes are almost always forced or

the outcomes are almost always forced or phony now conducting also offers a

phony now conducting also offers a

phony now conducting also offers a useful lesson in humility humility is

useful lesson in humility humility is

useful lesson in humility humility is not a word we often associate with

not a word we often associate with

not a word we often associate with conductors by the way but when I was 19

conductors by the way but when I was 19

conductors by the way but when I was 19 I started working with Joseph Primavera

I started working with Joseph Primavera

I started working with Joseph Primavera who is a legendary youth orchestra

who is a legendary youth orchestra

who is a legendary youth orchestra conductor in Philadelphia and he said to

conductor in Philadelphia and he said to

conductor in Philadelphia and he said to me more than once

me more than once

me more than once never forget you’re the only musician on

never forget you’re the only musician on

never forget you’re the only musician on stage who isn’t making any sound you

stage who isn’t making any sound you

stage who isn’t making any sound you think anybody wants to come to your solo

think anybody wants to come to your solo

think anybody wants to come to your solo concert

it gets old real fast so all of us

it gets old real fast so all of us ultimately should think of ourselves

ultimately should think of ourselves

ultimately should think of ourselves like the musician who isn’t making any

like the musician who isn’t making any

like the musician who isn’t making any sound great leadership usually isn’t

sound great leadership usually isn’t

sound great leadership usually isn’t about being the rock star instead

about being the rock star instead

about being the rock star instead imagine yourself standing among your

imagine yourself standing among your

imagine yourself standing among your colleagues unleashing their potential to

colleagues unleashing their potential to

colleagues unleashing their potential to do their best work it’s an amazing

do their best work it’s an amazing

do their best work it’s an amazing feeling to stand in the middle of things

feeling to stand in the middle of things

feeling to stand in the middle of things surrounded by the sweep of the full

surrounded by the sweep of the full

surrounded by the sweep of the full orchestra silently unleashing everybody

orchestra silently unleashing everybody

orchestra silently unleashing everybody else’s sound well you won’t get to stand

else’s sound well you won’t get to stand

else’s sound well you won’t get to stand in the middle of that amazing sweep of

in the middle of that amazing sweep of

in the middle of that amazing sweep of sound unless you can get things started

sound unless you can get things started

sound unless you can get things started probably the most important gesture in a

probably the most important gesture in a

probably the most important gesture in a conductors work is called the

conductors work is called the

conductors work is called the preparatory beat our goal is to show the

preparatory beat our goal is to show the

preparatory beat our goal is to show the tempo and mood of the music with one

tempo and mood of the music with one

tempo and mood of the music with one motion and if we do this well then the

motion and if we do this well then the

motion and if we do this well then the musicians can keep playing for quite a

musicians can keep playing for quite a

musicians can keep playing for quite a while with no more support from the

while with no more support from the

while with no more support from the conductor

now on the other hand few things annoy

now on the other hand few things annoy are frustrated in Orchestra more that a

are frustrated in Orchestra more that a

are frustrated in Orchestra more that a conductor whose preparatory beat doesn’t

conductor whose preparatory beat doesn’t

conductor whose preparatory beat doesn’t match the tempo that comes after it you

match the tempo that comes after it you

match the tempo that comes after it you see what I mean now in non musical

see what I mean now in non musical

see what I mean now in non musical leadership many of us do this far too

leadership many of us do this far too

leadership many of us do this far too often instead we should try to personify

often instead we should try to personify

often instead we should try to personify the results we want before the work

the results we want before the work

the results we want before the work begins think about what your team needs

begins think about what your team needs

begins think about what your team needs to sound like and look like and then

to sound like and look like and then

to sound like and look like and then model that with every fiber of your

model that with every fiber of your

model that with every fiber of your being think about things like how you

being think about things like how you

being think about things like how you talk about a project before it starts

talk about a project before it starts

talk about a project before it starts about what your team needs from you in

about what your team needs from you in

about what your team needs from you in order to be ready to execute or about

order to be ready to execute or about

order to be ready to execute or about setting the tone by giving a hundred

setting the tone by giving a hundred

setting the tone by giving a hundred percent that’s not easy of course during

percent that’s not easy of course during

percent that’s not easy of course during my conducting studies with Joseph

my conducting studies with Joseph

my conducting studies with Joseph Primavera I was trying to learn how to

Primavera I was trying to learn how to

Primavera I was trying to learn how to start Beethoven’s fifth symphony which

start Beethoven’s fifth symphony which

start Beethoven’s fifth symphony which is as specially tricky I’m the 20th

is as specially tricky I’m the 20th

is as specially tricky I’m the 20th attempt I was convinced my preparatory

attempt I was convinced my preparatory

attempt I was convinced my preparatory be but the orchestra still wasn’t

be but the orchestra still wasn’t

be but the orchestra still wasn’t together Primavera put his hand on my

together Primavera put his hand on my

together Primavera put his hand on my shoulder and said your baton was ok but

shoulder and said your baton was ok but

shoulder and said your baton was ok but your face isn’t there yet we need to see

your face isn’t there yet we need to see

your face isn’t there yet we need to see the sound in everything you show us now

the sound in everything you show us now

the sound in everything you show us now every piece of music also offers

every piece of music also offers

every piece of music also offers countless tiny choices are we gonna slow

countless tiny choices are we gonna slow

countless tiny choices are we gonna slow down here how much and then when and how

down here how much and then when and how

down here how much and then when and how will we speed back up again now imagine

will we speed back up again now imagine

will we speed back up again now imagine 20 or 40 or even a hundred musicians

20 or 40 or even a hundred musicians

20 or 40 or even a hundred musicians needing to agree on all these answers a

needing to agree on all these answers a

needing to agree on all these answers a conductor offers a streamlining of this

conductor offers a streamlining of this

conductor offers a streamlining of this decision-making process so great leaders

decision-making process so great leaders

decision-making process so great leaders make decisions we know that but for a

make decisions we know that but for a

make decisions we know that but for a conductor to hold on to the confidence

conductor to hold on to the confidence

conductor to hold on to the confidence of the orchestra those decisions need to

of the orchestra those decisions need to

of the orchestra those decisions need to be based in evidence and in what we do

be based in evidence and in what we do

be based in evidence and in what we do as conductors that evidence is the score

as conductors that evidence is the score

as conductors that evidence is the score the notes on paper put there by the

the notes on paper put there by the

the notes on paper put there by the composer by carefully studying the score

composer by carefully studying the score

composer by carefully studying the score and working to understand the compose

and working to understand the compose

and working to understand the compose in 10th a conductor can offer the

in 10th a conductor can offer the

in 10th a conductor can offer the orchestra efficiency but more

orchestra efficiency but more

orchestra efficiency but more importantly the satisfaction of getting

importantly the satisfaction of getting

importantly the satisfaction of getting it right so in your work

it right so in your work

it right so in your work who’s the composer what’s the score

who’s the composer what’s the score

who’s the composer what’s the score well again think about things like your

well again think about things like your

well again think about things like your mission your vision your strategic plan

mission your vision your strategic plan

mission your vision your strategic plan and here’s the most important thing I’ll

and here’s the most important thing I’ll

and here’s the most important thing I’ll probably say all day today try to be the

probably say all day today try to be the

probably say all day today try to be the person who can connect the dots between

person who can connect the dots between

person who can connect the dots between the minutiae of the moment and those

the minutiae of the moment and those

the minutiae of the moment and those overarching goals of the team of course

overarching goals of the team of course

overarching goals of the team of course you can’t connect those dots if you

you can’t connect those dots if you

you can’t connect those dots if you don’t listen well and another thing that

don’t listen well and another thing that

don’t listen well and another thing that frustrates an orchestra to no end is a

frustrates an orchestra to no end is a

frustrates an orchestra to no end is a conductor who doesn’t seem to hear the

conductor who doesn’t seem to hear the

conductor who doesn’t seem to hear the details of what’s going on in the moment

details of what’s going on in the moment

details of what’s going on in the moment it’s not just about wrong notes

it’s not just about wrong notes

it’s not just about wrong notes it’s about judging how which instruments

it’s about judging how which instruments

it’s about judging how which instruments should balance or blend with each other

should balance or blend with each other

should balance or blend with each other it’s about whether a note should be

it’s about whether a note should be

it’s about whether a note should be piercing or smooth it’s about managing a

piercing or smooth it’s about managing a

piercing or smooth it’s about managing a million tiny details without losing

million tiny details without losing

million tiny details without losing track of the larger flow of the piece

track of the larger flow of the piece

track of the larger flow of the piece that’s probably why maestro Primavera

that’s probably why maestro Primavera

that’s probably why maestro Primavera once said to me

once said to me

once said to me Troy you should spend 75 percent of time

Troy you should spend 75 percent of time

Troy you should spend 75 percent of time studying scores and the other 75 percent

studying scores and the other 75 percent

studying scores and the other 75 percent of your time training your ear to hear

of your time training your ear to hear

of your time training your ear to hear better and better and when I pointed out

better and better and when I pointed out

better and better and when I pointed out to him that that didn’t quite add up he

to him that that didn’t quite add up he

to him that that didn’t quite add up he said uh well remember there’s three

said uh well remember there’s three

said uh well remember there’s three kinds of conductors those who can count

kinds of conductors those who can count

kinds of conductors those who can count and those who can’t

so if we know the score well and we

so if we know the score well and we listen carefully we still need to be

listen carefully we still need to be

listen carefully we still need to be able to offer useful feedback and as a

able to offer useful feedback and as a

able to offer useful feedback and as a conductor I need to know a lot about

conductor I need to know a lot about

conductor I need to know a lot about every instrument in the orchestra but I

every instrument in the orchestra but I

every instrument in the orchestra but I also need to understand that my

also need to understand that my

also need to understand that my musicians know more about their

musicians know more about their

musicians know more about their instruments than I do I always try to

instruments than I do I always try to

instruments than I do I always try to focus on describing the sound that I

focus on describing the sound that I

focus on describing the sound that I want the sound the composer needs but

want the sound the composer needs but

want the sound the composer needs but trusting the musicians to figure out how

trusting the musicians to figure out how

trusting the musicians to figure out how to make that sound instead of telling

to make that sound instead of telling

to make that sound instead of telling Kathleen which finger to use to play an

Kathleen which finger to use to play an

Kathleen which finger to use to play an f-sharp

f-sharp

f-sharp what if I can give her some insight into

what if I can give her some insight into

what if I can give her some insight into why that f-sharp matters or who she

why that f-sharp matters or who she

why that f-sharp matters or who she should blend with as she plays it and

should blend with as she plays it and

should blend with as she plays it and then what if I could lead like that off

then what if I could lead like that off

then what if I could lead like that off the podium what if we all could building

the podium what if we all could building

the podium what if we all could building a shared vision of what we’re trying to

a shared vision of what we’re trying to

a shared vision of what we’re trying to accomplish and empowering others to get

accomplish and empowering others to get

accomplish and empowering others to get there in the end when it all comes

there in the end when it all comes

there in the end when it all comes together

together

together that’s what conducting an orchestra

that’s what conducting an orchestra

that’s what conducting an orchestra feels like

so finally what’s the most important

so finally what’s the most important parallel between conducting and

parallel between conducting and

parallel between conducting and leadership never take a bow alone

now try let me ask you who we have here

now try let me ask you who we have here can you introduce us to these great

can you introduce us to these great

can you introduce us to these great musicians this morning we have Blaine

musicians this morning we have Blaine

musicians this morning we have Blaine Brian Tricia Park Victoria day Lindy

Brian Tricia Park Victoria day Lindy

Brian Tricia Park Victoria day Lindy Fiedler maddie gonzalez Victoria Cunha

Fiedler maddie gonzalez Victoria Cunha

Fiedler maddie gonzalez Victoria Cunha Jim Lee dire mikvah Coria Juarez

Jim Lee dire mikvah Coria Juarez

Jim Lee dire mikvah Coria Juarez Kathleen Ryan Victoria clowning and Emma

Kathleen Ryan Victoria clowning and Emma

Kathleen Ryan Victoria clowning and Emma Emma Jax so your name has to be

Emma Jax so your name has to be

Emma Jax so your name has to be victorious in order there’s a lot of the

victorious in order there’s a lot of the

victorious in order there’s a lot of the glory of these days absolutely other big

glory of these days absolutely other big

glory of these days absolutely other big hand for the members of the youth

hand for the members of the youth

hand for the members of the youth orchestras of San Antonio and Troy

orchestras of San Antonio and Troy

orchestras of San Antonio and Troy Peters

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