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La frontera es un mito | Carlos (Calú) Correa | TEDxUTPL


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The border between Peru and Ecuador is a

myth and make an argument of this

affirmation

using a story that through

weather

you will see that we have a

much closer relationship than what

we would have thought and I will start more

or less from year zero to year

2000 what we are right now the

cultures of our peoples of ecuador

and Peru were very close

for example the case of the vicus culture

a culture that started more or less

one hundred years before Christ until near

400 years after Christ

they were sharing a space

binational and the area of ​​what now

we know as the north of Peru and south

of the equator did super things

cool is how these ceramics that

right now we are seeing worked

goldsmiths developed many

abilities

after that time another culture came

very interesting culture carve the

north of Peru were a culture that

they were in love with the sea

they lived in the sea had a relationship

very close with her when they go to

catacaos to ten minutes or so of

visit the empire narihualá that

it was the capital of the tallanes also

they worked on ceramic subjects and

develop a very important culture

in the north of Peru, in fact

right now in the stream and we are

Seeing in the north of Peru

many of the compatriots there

also in this same area or in this

the same period of time were the

famous faults the culture that loja

he always remembers him working

petroglyphs developing trade

It is said that the Incas we never could

conquer were a time line

very similar to the tallanes after

that came the conquest by the

Incas to these cultures that were

scattered throughout this great space

I what now corresponds the north of

Chile

much of the peru bolivia ecuador and

the south of colombia

after this of the conquest

Inca pine what today just

we celebrate sting this foundation of the

City of Piura

we have a nice old map where

represents the river that divides this

city

I think it gets really rough when the

the city forgets it and in that way

reminds the Piurans that it is

present that is alive

how can you see that city right now?

had four foundations in fact it

founded before loja and then came the

foundation of loja together with other

cities of the great space for Peruvian

it was not founded as a resting place

a tambo a strategic site for

conquests of the lands of the east

Between Quito and Lima

and despite the fact that we have always been told

that the flea market was the founder of

loja that was a bit relegated in the

history the figure of Juan de Salinas and

loyola a Spanish Basque captain who

he was the first to make an epic

in the conquests of the lands of

Orient in the search for the mythical

Dorado is the Spanish captain in 1557

a masterful trip took almost a

year in and founding cities around

valladolid loyola

santiago de los caballeros de santa

Maria de Nieva a very nice place very

little boy and was the first to go through

the mythical I put of manseriche in

Quichua Pongo is a door a narrow

where a river that crosses a

cordillera in this case the cordillera

of the campanil keys and from there the

river cashew becomes navigable

In fact, it tells the story that Juan de

Sabine almost loses his life when crossing

that I put the famous pongo de manseriche

remember that in fact in that

then we did not have the facilities

that we have now we do not have the

technology and then perform all that

crossing

it really was interesting and it’s worth

highlight the story I’m doing

right now in these last two thousand

years

there we have the congo of manseriche and

going through

As the Campanile Range said

kiss about eight or ten years ago

I was lucky even to go through

that same I put as that entry to the

eastern lands

after that apparently Juan de

Salinas is the first to realize in

that can be connected to the river network

of the amazons with the sea in the ocean

pacific is the first to realize

at least of what history

documenta asks for an appointment with the king of

Spain to tell you that journey that

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it seems that the king took a little longer

obviously there was no water sarney mail

electronic at that time then the

even bigger bureaucracy so

the king decided to receive juan de

Salinas does not understand well what

try this journey but still you

he says look at that city of loja to that very

noble and very loyal city of loja

let’s give her a shield in that

shield is represented to the cities

walled that is very common in Europe

with a door that closes in the

nights to protect the attacks and the

day opens so that there is a fluency

of those of the people

that custom we did not have it in

Latin America and in that way the king

give to Juan de Salinas

this shield or some knights coming out

through a door to the conquest of the

Eastern lands is the replica that

we have in this city where there

the city started and you enter

it’s not a castle it ‘s a replica of the

shield also the king says a lot

more talked a lot about this area that is

very interesting and 1,571 the king him

delivery to Juan de Salinas the title of

advance or governor of the region of

jaguar zongo locating cities very

important as you see right now being

loja the political and strategic capital

of the entire region

alfonso aguirre talks about how Juan de

salinas is a visionary forward to

many other people from that time

to try to connect the cities of the

sierra with the east or the jungle

amazonian then

fortunately salinas so dies

in the fort in the misfortune that no

your proposal is understood

in fact falls prisoner is betrayed his

son happens he assumes the roles of

governor of the zongo region and passes

to history as the first to be

account but we do not achieve does not achieve the

transmit that concept to the rest of the

people

following with the weather map another

interesting point

in that era of conquest when

loja is declared a federated state in

a critical time in ecuador where

the country fell to pieces

loja decides to separate and name manuel

pinzano carrion as one of the

executors of this project

then when the country again

things came together again to

normality what was again integrated

the rest of the country is a date that

we always celebrate it in the southern area of

Ecuador

following with the time they begin to

raise the first proposals of the

interoceanic way

what we know now as that route

to connect these two points

the Pacific Ocean with the river network

from the amazonas and he spied for me one of

the first to raise this thesis

even the classroom of a railroad that

will unite the provinces of gold loja and

zamora begin to trace the first

routes of this interoceanic route and

they begin to create some organisms one

of them is pressure that starts at

deconcentrate the power that was in

I remove to bring it here loja

although in 1974 this body was created

it is not until 1979 that a person

surely I knew for you decide

bring that puts the furniture

desks the chairs of that bureaucracy

Quito

It gives us a sun that you are one day

Friday and Monday starts to attend

from loja is a form of

centralization a bit rude but

also valid and in 1979 he starts to see

projects that begin to link this

area of ​​the south

for like the north of Peru the stage

criticism comes after this as a

war a war between these two

countries that was the blackest story

between our brother peoples

but at the same time came the signature of the

peace in 1998 we are October 26

we are commemorating the 19 years this

signature of peace and begin to see new

voices to resume this project of a

Peruvian macro region

one of those voices is this journalist

deceased peruvian recently john vicente

I require in your book the path of loja

I recommend it

start talking about the macroregion

Peruvian equa and do first in minting

this phrase the macro Peruvian region that

somehow plasma some of the

myths that we are living in the

border

we are two countries very close as

that each one in the southern area of the equator

we see a lot towards the north is not bad

see quito a guayaquil but the same

It happens in the north of Peru

they look a lot at Lima the students in

the colleges when they are already titled when

already graduate they want to go to study at

I remove the entrepreneurs want to open

market in guayaquil

the same thing happens in chiclayo the same

happens in trujillo the entrepreneurs of

They look for markets in Lima

the problem is that we end up giving ourselves

the backs mutually because the south

from the equator looks north and north of

Peru

look south this problem of having these

back the people that we live in

this area has led us to one of a

distancing that is what I

would like to talk now just what

contrary that I wish these people in

turn realize they are more

close to what it seems but that

we seem that we are and that we begin to

give us a hand in a Peruvian region a

a question what do you think is

closer to the oj and now guayaquil

obviously is closer to Piura

however we continue to see north and

to the agent from Piura who is not now

following by streaming

if we ask what is closer

loja or trujillo

many are going to say trujillo is not

closer loja but unfortunately

in Piura you buy products and services

of Lima and do not buy products or

services to loja cuenca machala people

of basin of zamora or of machala buy

services to quito and do not buy us from

sullana de chiclayo piura the border

between Ecuador and Peru and Ecuador is a myth

and that myth is what I wanted to talk about

in this space of time because in addition

of these from this myth what we have to

also rescue are the famous

intermediate cities that I’m going to

leave it right now I will convey what

first if we could make a

classification of most

cities that we have depending on the

population

first we have the 3,000 villages

5,000 or up to 10 thousand inhabitants that

it costs a lot to have a quantity of

quality basic services

On the other hand, we have the

big capitals where you live three or

three hours a day by car one hour and

mean due to another hour and a half return

where insecurity pollution and

other characteristics of the

capital cities make it invisible , or

at least with a very quality of life

low

what is the proposal cities like

Piura as loja intermediate cities

where they can have lunch every day

with your family where you have good

universities like this where you have

good medical services a good cinema

a good airport to connect with

Capital cities

that concept of intermediate cities is

that we could start weaving between

all this area that the sale of its

services to basin that machala can

link with chiclayo that zamora can

understand yourself more closely with your

target in such a way that we can run

we can continue to build this fabric

a ‘cluster’ a network of cities

interlaced between those regions

forming a strip throughout this area

a national innovation and innovation corridor

entrepreneurship

besides that in order to build this

Entrepreneurship and innovation zone

let’s keep the famous triple

helix where we link local government

regional and national

we link the academy the universities

and private efforts through the

private company also a space

where all these areas are linked

that we are good seeing right now

where innovation and entrepreneurship

be part of the day-to-day experience

a city like loja that may already be

example for this whole area where from

the house we are classifying

trash we know

where you have to put the garbage in

function of the color of the baskets of

garbage where for us the garbage does not

it’s a problem it ‘s a business where

we have the highest wind farm in

world

we have a market with large

electrical the floor shines and the lady

who sells us tomatoes has a

mail says good if it’s very nice

welcome where we have the park

automotive the second largest of

Latin America with electric taxis and

instead of charging gas

We have electric stations where today I

I want the presentation of salamis no

I had to be here sorry where I

we have a proposal for social networks

to push proposals for

citizen participation in the past

municipality where we have a city

cozy and when are parties of Peru

raise the flag along with the flag

of the equator and there are settlements in the

peru who are taking example of loja

the band of shilcayo a peculiar man

a city of about 30,000 inhabitants

whose mayor raised a contest

environmental protection for citizens and

prize was coming to loja to know this

city ​​model to carry those those

ideas to his people

at the close of this report it became known

that will soon announce the

modality of the contest between the prizes

apart from cash there is a

internship to the city of loja ecuador

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indeed there you have the

winners of this internship taking the

Loja development model

note that according to some sources

during the last three years we have

had a visit of more than 15,000

people from the north of Peru ecuador no

only for tourism but through

internships to know the model of

development of loja internships

mayors aldermen or governors already

We are working in this area

on this map that looks clear now

same the presentation with a

business incubator e

innovation that is founded in the south

of Peru that is called carving knicks and

which are we managing these

projects in partnership with the incubator

of the utpl prendo the best player of the

country and the greatest g

the idea that these two players

can build this great space

entrepreneurship innovation and that every

Once again we the people of loja

let’s say that the world does not end in the

villonaco there is much more space

there’s a lot more world there’s a lot more there

much more graphy and therefore I wanted

go closing this concept with which

start the border between our two

countries is a myth

today here in the ted utpl that said be

on the way

we seem to review people the third and

kalu changes the mine because the end

you can not see anything I risked leaving it

because somehow it gives us a

vision of all this space of time

that we have had between our two

countries what I wanted to finish saying

to the people of Peru, let’s see more

south of the equator and the agent of the equator

also tell you let’s see more north of the

Peru and that between both countries we can

go building this macroregion 45

Peruvian and tell each of you

rovati

dream

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